Can anyone tell me which Discraft disc flies most like a Tee-Bird?

I've tried them all to no avail. I prefer Discraft as a company in general, but I just put a Teebird back in my bag after a year without it because NOTHING Discraft has flies like a Teebird. An XL flies like a beat TL or a Leopard and an Avenger flies like a Teebird/Firebird hybrid. The Surge flies like a longer/faster Teebird. Some people may chime in claiming that the Tracker flies like a Teebird, but it flies like an Eagle at best. Anything else that flies as high speed stable as the Teebird has a heck of a lot more low speed fade/skip. Anything else that flies as straight as a Teebird is a lot flippier/touchier.

The Tracker was the closest thing I've thrown to a TeeBird. Larry Bledsoe tole me the Wildcat was the best disc to use as a TeeBird replacement.

Tracker is by far the closest IMO. I don't feel I have lost anything from moving to a TB to a tracker.

I wonder how the SOLF compares to the Tee-Bird? Do any of you Tee-Bird users know?

Over the last 5 years i've noticed that when others use a Teebird i am using the Flash. The flash has a much wider rim than the teebird but once you know how to pick/find the overstable flashes, you'll notice that it does fly like a bird.

The wildcats and trackers have the smaller teebird-esque rim and are also good choices.

I have found that the Z-XS is very similar in flight to a champ teebird for me. The tracker is also similar, but I would liken it to more of a TL rather than a Teebird.

The QOLF flies like an old school CE Teebird imo. They are faster and a bit flippier than most Teebirds, but have a similar line.

The closet things I have throw to a teebird are 1)Z talons these tend to get a little flippy in the hi speed when they get worn and are much more stable at the low speed portion of the flight. 2)Z X2 flew just like a teebird for me but they did have a tendance to turn over a little more in a wind and unfortunatly were discontinued :(. 3) Z Reaper are more high speed stable and low speed overstable but wear into a flight that is very close to a teebird, just 10-15 feet longer. Reapers also tend to vary greatly due to color and i doubt will be produced much longer (my opinion). Hope this helps

I throw Avengers as Teebird replacements. Same flight path just faster and longer. I find the Trackers to be a bit to flippy.

Yes, 1st run X Avenger are close to Teebird, the later ones are more TL ;)

IMO, the esp tracker is a slower tbird with the same stability...anything else in the tracker family should not be in this conversation.
I've been throwing a 172/171 esp avenger and have been happy with that to replace my t. I originally had a 175, but that was definately too overstable for replacing a tbird...I gambled and won with the low 70's avenger. Great sweeping hyzers and excellent control when thrown flat w/ high torque.

I cannot believe people throw the Tracker, let alone compare it to a Teebird. Although at one time some people swore the MRV was a good replacement for the ROC I suppose...I have a big problem with the fact that Discraft advertises it as a "longer Buzz". This is complete hogwash. The Tracker has no glide and a very unpredictable flight path. If really powered flat it flies like an XL, not straight but rather breaking right and then fading late. Throw the Tracker hard, but not as hard and it flies like a Teebird somewhat with a faster, more abrupt fade. Throw it a little softer and it is like a Firebird. At all these speeds the Teebird would fly on essentially the same flight path. This is the consistency people talk about when admiring the Teebird. I throw the Teebird because IT is the longer Buzz (or the Buzz is a shorter Teebird). I WISH Discraft would scrap this crappy mold and set to task on really designing a driver version of the Buzz flightwise. That would make my year!

PS:I don't usually like hating on a disc, but I spent a lot of time messing with the Tracker and am quite confident in my opinion, especially with respect to the Teebird or "Longer Buzz" comparisons.

a Z-XL flies almost the same as a dx or pro teebird. The tracker flies more like a viking. Avenger comes close but i never felt the accuracy of it. A beat up SOLF flies real similar but i think more valkyrie like than teebird and a new one is more overstable than a teebird.

By the way what plastic Teebird are u talking about? and what version? all fly differently.

Problem is that the Teebird is one of the best designed discs ever and u have to copy it to get the same disc. It spawned a whole slew of discs and is probably still one of the most popularly carried discs.

Nothing flies like a Teebird except a Teebird. Why not throw the Teebird? Are you looking to pick up some sponsorship?

Wow, who knew people would have so much to say on this topic! Thanks everyone.

I am looking to replace my favorite driver, the 10 X Tee-Bird. I just got picked up by DGA and they prefer their sponsored players to throw all DGA, but if you have to have something that isn't DGA, they would prefer it be a Discraft disc. The biggest gap in DGA's line up for me is the T-bird, which is tough when it is your go-to driver. I think the shockwave will work great for a mid, and the titanic great for a putter driver, and the Rogue is perfect for a understable long distance driver/long distance power roller, with Tsunami great for hyzers, overhands and headwind drives. It may be that a well seasoned Tsunami might be a decent compromise, but from what I have heard here, I will test the Tracker and the Avenger, probably leaning towards the Avenger since I am looking more for consistancy when throwing firmly; something with lots of high speed stability but not a lot of fade.

Thanks again for all the input everyone.

JB

congrats Jon on getting picked up by DGA!

I would then say X Avengers for a 10x replacement. A Z will complement it nicely. It will take more snap and wind. Tracker would be a decent broken in teebird.

Congrats on the sponsorship!

beat tsunami in a lighter weight would be perfect. it is a less stable predator, which although more stable, is the 2nd best driver in terms of distance/predictability behind the teebird, IMHO. the tsunami is fairly hi-speed stable without a huge amount of fade.

*holds Z Glo Tracker up next to Champ Glo TL*

... I'm REALLY not seeing the difference here guys. I mean, really. Not. At all. Same disc. Maybe a bit of a difference in the dome... Tracker = TL. NOT TeeBird.

Nothing flies like a Teebird except a Teebird.

Every disc flies differently for everyone who throws it.

Beat X-Preds and the more/most overstable Z-Wildcats are closest to a 10x'er, IMHO.
.02 // YMMV

Over the last 5 years i've noticed that when others use a Teebird i am using the Flash. The flash has a much wider rim than the teebird but once you know how to pick/find the overstable flashes, you'll notice that it does fly like a bird.

The wildcats and trackers have the smaller teebird-esque rim and are also good choices.



Interesting, But something tells me most people cant be as flashy as My Hero! :eek:

Beat X-Preds


This is the best comparison in my opinion. I have a pretty thrashed X Pred that will hold pretty much whatever line it is put on.

And I agree on the Tracker thoughts, Discspeed. I carried a few for a while, but the lack of dependability drove me insane, and them out of the bag. Very speed dependent disc. You have to hit it perfect to get the straight flight D claims it is built for. I'll stick to the Preds and XLs.

flash? very speed dependant also. if you want that consistancy across a wide range of speeds and shots, gotta go with a seasoned pred/tsunami. I tried a d xl and z xl, and although they would work for me, they were not nearly as nice as the teebird.
just keep one teebird w/ the stamp taken off in the bag for security and if people ask tell them it is a discraft prototype and you can't say anything else about it.

flash? very speed dependant also. if you want that consistancy across a wide range of speeds and shots, gotta go with a seasoned pred/tsunami. I tried a d xl and z xl, and although they would work for me, they were not nearly as nice as the teebird.
just keep one teebird w/ the stamp taken off in the bag for security and if people ask tell them it is a discraft prototype and you can't say anything else about it.



Best advice yet!

Nothing flies like a Teebird except a Teebird.

Every disc flies differently for everyone who throws it.




seven years of reading and 5 or so of posting has made me wonder why so few people get this.\

BTW, IMO this is because disc flight is heavily influenced by the relative ratios of speed/force, how fast the disc is flying, and rotation or torque. Obviously, every player has different combinations of those two things thus resulting if very different flight characteristics. That said, a given disc has a flight characteristic window, no amount of variation in speed and torque is going to make a firebird fly under-stable.

Wow, who knew people would have so much to say on this topic! Thanks everyone.

I am looking to replace my favorite driver, the 10 X Tee-Bird. I just got picked up by DGA and they prefer their sponsored players to throw all DGA, but if you have to have something that isn't DGA, they would prefer it be a Discraft disc. The biggest gap in DGA's line up for me is the T-bird, which is tough when it is your go-to driver. I think the shockwave will work great for a mid, and the titanic great for a putter driver, and the Rogue is perfect for a understable long distance driver/long distance power roller, with Tsunami great for hyzers, overhands and headwind drives. It may be that a well seasoned Tsunami might be a decent compromise, but from what I have heard here, I will test the Tracker and the Avenger, probably leaning towards the Avenger since I am looking more for consistancy when throwing firmly; something with lots of high speed stability but not a lot of fade.

Thanks again for all the input everyone.

JB



Throw DGA's Riptide or Heavy X Avengers.

I have found the Devilhawk flies more like a TeeBird than a TeeBird does........

ESP Tracker is much more stable than a TL!!...but then again discs just fly a little different at my elevation....

Cyclone??? :)

Discspeed is out of his mind about the tracker. It is the most predictable disc I have ever thrown and it this point I can not live without it.

ESP Avenger ~very close~ 10X KC Teebird (IMHO)

Discspeed is out of his mind about the tracker. It is the most predictable disc I have ever thrown and it this point I can not live without it.

ESP Avenger ~very close~ 10X KC Teebird (IMHO)



Amen

I know most will argue to the death about my comparisons but I believe that I could use either of these combos just as effectively


XL(TL or Valk), Tracker(TB or Eagle), Surge(Wraith), and Pred(Firechicken)..

Discspeed is out of his mind about the tracker. It is the most predictable disc I have ever thrown and it this point I can not live without it.

ESP Avenger ~very close~ 10X KC Teebird (IMHO)



One man's trash... :D

Discspeed is out of his mind about the tracker. It is the most predictable disc I have ever thrown and it this point I can not live without it.

ESP Avenger ~very close~ 10X KC Teebird (IMHO)



One man's trash... :D



I agree it is quite ironic. I can't throw a buzz to save my life. I bet that is your goto disc right!!!

Discspeed is out of his mind about the tracker. It is the most predictable disc I have ever thrown and it this point I can not live without it.

ESP Avenger ~very close~ 10X KC Teebird (IMHO)



One man's trash... :D



I agree it is quite ironic. I can't throw a buzz to save my life. I bet that is your goto disc right!!!



You got it. Different strokes for different folks (cliche police sirens in the distance).

You got it. Different strokes for different folks (cliche police sirens in the distance).



i was thinking more along these lines.....
http://mortystv.com/showcards/diffrent_strokes.jpg

i was thinking more along these lines.....
http://mortystv.com/showcards/diffrent_strokes.jpg

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Who would have thought those lil' angels would end up cracked out, broke and dead. :(

lmao

i was thinking more along these lines.....
http://mortystv.com/showcards/diffrent_strokes.jpg



Who would have thought those lil' angels would end up cracked out, broke and dead. :(

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Is this a warning to Discraft players? I feel bad for them now.

i was thinking more along these lines.....
http://mortystv.com/showcards/diffrent_strokes.jpg



Who would have thought those lil' angels would end up cracked out, broke and dead. :(



Is this a warning to Discraft players? I feel bad for them now.

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And to make you feel really old... the local TV morning show mentioned that Dana Plato (Kimberly) would have turned 43 on Wednesday ...

what bee said except z avenger

If you want a Teebird, throw a Teebird.

For the unsponsored player, brand loyalty that comes at the cost of performance is kind of silly.

For the unsponsored player...


Hmmm, am guessing that's 99%+ of DGers...

Beat up Pred is as good and probably better than any T-bird I ever had.

Hey Smitty, I'll bet you a 40oz'er that you can throw a Tee Bird (or a beat up Pred) farther than I can. Hell, I'll make it 2 40s...whatcha say?!? ;) :p

Hey Smitty, I'll bet you a 40oz'er that you can throw a Tee Bird (or a beat up Pred) farther than I can. Hell, I'll make it 2 40s...whatcha say?!? ;) :p




Deal! You go first to put the pressure on me. :D

You go first...age before beauty! ;)

Nothing flies like a Teebird except a Teebird.

Every disc flies differently for everyone who throws it.


But if somebody has a consistent throwing motion, every disc still flies differently, thusly we are able to say that if X disc from X company flies the same as Y disc from Y company, it is logical to state that this comparison will hold true from person to person even if the actual flight of the discs for every person is not the same.

:D I like the TeeBird and throw it most every round.

There are different TeeBirds as well. T , TB , TL for example , all fly somewhat different.

Like I had seen in a previous post , Unless you are Specifically sponsored by a Specific Company and on their Team , Throw what you want and make it work !!!!!!!

Everything works if thrown correctly or adjusted to !!!!!!

Donny Olow

Where would you find a T or a TB?

Like which discs have the different marking?

Are they different molds?

T and TB are the same.
TL is the different one..

there used to be 3 molds of Teebirds... but if I remember correctly... they switched molds between the 11x Candy and the Champion Stamp and are running the 2nd mold. Both are basically the same.
The other mold is the less stable Teebird-L mold. The L in this doesn't mean leopard as some think, but merely that it is less stable and possibly could carry "longer" distance than the regular Teebird.
You might have to check previous ASK DAVE threads because Dave and I both talked about it before on there, but I can't really remember. Whether I'm right or wrong the markings are as follows:

The T and TB are both ways to mark the regular Teebird.
The Teebird L is marked TL.

-Scott Lewis

That's what I always thought.