I got a PM from Colin yesterday telling me he had been banned for three months, the offense, calling someone a drama queen. Most typically, I support the PDGA and their actions but as I was looking at the list of banned and suspended individuals I realized that most of them, IMO, are fairly rational well spoken posters. Yes, there are the UPMs and the Morgans, and these guys have been banned for legitimate flames. But this tendency to ban posters for such simple and innocuous comments as calling another poster a moron, a fairly simple and tasteless name, is going to far.

I think it is time to peruse the SN message board for awhile; at least until Colin's suspension is done. For those who are still here, perhaps it's time to revisit the rules of this MB and what our goal here are.

He didn't get banned for three months for calling someone a drama queen. If he got banned for three months it would have been for calling someone a drama queen while he was on probation. When you're on probation you should just quit the name calling.

I was ready to post a thread a few weeks ago about how i was tired of reading #28003 and his inflamatory and over the top "lets poke at the PDGA" remarks and how much it sucks and this and that while LIVING 20 hrs a day on this board....

good for him, NOW lets see if you renew... we know you will. :o

Colin got put on probation...Colin doesn't respect the PDGA or the MB rules...Colin is on 3 month suspension.

What is the problem here?

He didn't get banned for three months for calling someone a drama queen. If he got banned for three months it would have been for calling someone a drama queen while he was on probation. When you're on probation you should just quit the name calling.

maybe true, but suspension or not if that reason is the real reason, it really feels a bit picky.

theres a movement afoot to label anything that is not status quo as "mal-something" or "un-whatever" or "non-theotherthing". its sad to see honest and open communication rejected in this manner. no one here is an extremist or terrorist. this is supposed to be fun.

The motto of the discussion board, as stated in our Rules (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/boardrules.php?Cat=0) could be "respect and responsibility." Flames and personal attacks and name calling are far from simple or innocuous comments, and are not respectful.

Colin Furrow was first reported by a message board user in June of this year for profanity; a moderator agreed and Colin was put on probation. He appealed his decision and it was reviewed and upheld by former Communications Director Steve Dodge. Colin went off probation in September.

He was reported by a message board user in October for personal attack; a moderator agreed, and Colin was again put on probation. He appealed this decision and it was reviewed and upheld by Communications Director Peter Shive.

Less than one week later Colin was reported by a message board user for personal attack; a moderator agreed, and because Colin was already on probation, he was suspended for three days. He appealed this decision and it was reviewed and upheld by Communications Director Peter Shive.

Two weeks later Colin was reported by a message board user for personal attack; a moderator agreed, and because Colin was already on probation2, he was suspended for three months. He appealed this decision and it was reviewed and upheld by Communications Director Peter Shive.

This is ridiculous....are we in Kindergarten?

The Mods really need to relax and take it easy on the MB users, technically we are paying to use this board you know. It would be nice to get a little flexibility from time to time. If you call someone a moron or a drama queen it's not a personal attack. A personal attack is when someone threatens you physically, threatens you with a vulgar word or calls your wife/mother a prostitute.

Hey Colin, you probably won't have access to the board until your knees heal up...you should go practice your putting big fella.

Calling a person a moron is a personal attack, you Pete Rose fan, you. Ditto calling someone a drama queen unless maybe she is Julia Rose Barr (http://www.juliarosebarr.com/awards.htm) or something.

I guess to some people being called a Moron is a personal attack. Personally I can handle being called much worse.

Pete Rose is the Larry Bird of baseball (minus the cheating part).

This is ridiculous....are we in Kindergarten?





My 2 cents....

Calling someone a drama queen or any other silly phrase like that makes me think the answer to that question is yes.

You are ALWAYS free to speak your mind in here, as long as you do so like an adult.

Come on Jake! What's the deal? You know what's the deal and if I wasn't in trouble myself I would tell you ;). Don't make me bust out with the finger poke! :D

This is the internet. Kindergarten is a step up.

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Calling a person a moron is a personal attack, you Pete Rose fan, you. Ditto calling someone a drama queen unless maybe she is Julia Rose Barr (http://www.juliarosebarr.com/awards.htm) or something.



Calling someone a "Pete Rose fan" is an attack too. :p Where do we draw the line?

it is drawn wherever the Mods and the Comm Dir want to draw it. it could be a much shorter leash in the very near future, as it is a topic for discussion at tonites BoD meeting

Calling a person a moron is a personal attack, you Pete Rose fan, you. Ditto calling someone a drama queen unless maybe she is Julia Rose Barr (http://www.juliarosebarr.com/awards.htm) or something.



Calling someone a "Pete Rose fan" is an attack too. :p Where do we draw the line?



Charlie Hustle is the best player in Nati history, it's too bad his gambling habits had to tarnish his career.

Why can't disc golf be at the Las Vegas sportsbooks? :D:D

You are all a bunch of dic golfers!!!



Personal attack or typo/ true statement?

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen. I won't submit you to the PDGA for it, but I can't guarantee that nobody else would.

i'm on probation for using a curse that i assumed would be automatically blocked out. ya know... astricks or whatever. if they don't want everyone to see certain words, why dont they just block them? didn't make sense to me.

You are all a bunch of dic golfers!!!



Personal attack or typo/ true statement?



None of the above.

C. Typo and Attack. :D

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen. I won't submit you to the PDGA for it, but I can't guarantee that nobody else would.



The same goes for me...feel free to call me a moron or drama queen, I will not report you to the admins.

He didn't get banned for three months for calling someone a drama queen. If he got banned for three months it would have been for calling someone a drama queen while he was on probation. When you're on probation you should just quit the name calling.



What it comes down to is that it is a three strikes rule. Pat is correct, it is picky.

This isn't the Mods fault. As an organization, we're just a bit to worried about our image vis-a-vis this MB.

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen. I won't submit you to the PDGA for it, but I can't guarantee that nobody else would.



The same goes for me...feel free to call me a moron or drama queen, I will not report you to the admins.



There are two things, the first is that some are using minor infractions to achieve a political agenda. I can't out argue you but I can punish you for calling me a boob. Second, it doesn't matter if you report the incident, if a Mod discovers it the poster is still in hot water.

I have never gone to the Mods and feel that doing so is worse than calling someone a name. That might be because my parents often punished tattle-tails as harshly as they punished wrong doers. :eek:

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen.



How about "moronic drama queen"? :D

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen.



How about "moronic drama queen"? :D



I have been called far worse.

Sticks and stones, people. :D

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen.



How about "moronic drama queen"? :D



I have been called far worse.




Like what? Perhaps Souldja Boy. :D

For the record, any of you may call me a moron or a drama queen.



How about "moronic drama queen"? :D



I have been called far worse.




Like what? Perhaps Souldja Boy. :D



I'm reporting you for that. :eek: :eek: :p

Personally, I like Dramatic Moron, who also happens go be of royal lineage...

we ought to publish the name of the accuser.

that would cut down on a lot of overly-sensitive reporting, cuz the overly sensitive will be overly sensitive about the other people seeing that they are overly sensitive. not that there are any overly sensitive people on here of course. but if there were...

really though, publishing the name of the accuser would do only good. its like throwing the challenge flag - theres a cost for using it frivolously. it would relieve the monitors of a measurable percentage of reports, and make the whole process completely transparent.

I want more. I have to admit, I support a notion like this one, but I see some problems.

astricks or whatever.



Don't make me report you! :D

we ought to publish the name of the accuser.

that would cut down on a lot of overly-sensitive reporting, cuz the overly sensitive will be overly sensitive about the other people seeing that they are overly sensitive. not that there are any overly sensitive people on here of course. but if there were...

really though, publishing the name of the accuser would do only good. its like throwing the challenge flag - theres a cost for using it frivolously. it would relieve the monitors of a measurable percentage of reports, and make the whole process completely transparent.



Feel free to run this idea by the Communications Director, however I can tell you that with almost no exceptions, we don't have an excess of overly sensitive or frivolous notifications to the moderators of Rules violations. If this were an issue, you'd have a valid point. But it's not. It's not like there's one guy out there who reports stuff to us all week long.

Even so, I don't think it's wise to reveal the indentity of those who notify the moderators of rules violations because I fear it could lead to retribution against them. People would then likely be afraid to report rules violations. If the PDGA DISCussion Board is to remain a respectful and friendly place, then it's contingent on message board users being able to report egregious rules violations without fear of retribution.

well then i think the answer is just relaxing on the rules a bit. for instance, if you can hear the word on television then it should be allowed here. meaning i wouldn't be on flipping probation. instead, i'm forced to use words like flipping.

astricks or whatever.



Don't make me report you! :D


i'm a better person now!

well then i think the answer is just relaxing on the rules a bit. for instance, if you can hear the word on television then it should be allowed here. meaning i wouldn't be on flipping probation. instead, i'm forced to use words like flipping.


True...If a young person is gonna hear it on T.V. , they might as wel know/learn how to spell it...

I hope you're not volunteering to lead the spelling lessons. ;)

well then i think the answer is just relaxing on the rules a bit. for instance, if you can hear the word on television then it should be allowed here. meaning i wouldn't be on flipping probation. instead, i'm forced to use words like flipping.


True...If a young person is gonna hear it on T.V. , they might as wel know/learn how to spell it...


do you think it matters if they spell it correctly? it's intended to mean the same thing whether you leave out a letter or not. if you think spelling a word correctly makes it worse, maybe you should try misspelling a few curse words on here and see if you don't get probation anyway.

great point, by the way.

...'agressive' milktoast moderation...at its finest?

milquetoast?

:)

I hope you're not volunteering to lead the spelling lessons. ;)



Definitely a job for MTL ;)

:D

well then i think the answer is just relaxing on the rules a bit. for instance, if you can hear the word on television then it should be allowed here. meaning i wouldn't be on flipping probation. instead, i'm forced to use words like flipping.


True...If a young person is gonna hear it on T.V. , they might as wel know/learn how to spell it...



Nominee for Best Post of Thread.

Personally, I wish Mb users would develop thicker skins with regards to "personal attacks." I've had to suspend and put on probation posters for some very lame insults. But, namecallings are attacks, and the posters are aware of the rules (or will be made aware of the rules) before the time they're officially suspended. This is his/her own decision, and a risk he/she has decided to take.

Having gone through elementary school with the real name "Doot", I guess I learned to accept insults early in life. Heck, after a year or two I wizened up and started to adopt the insulting nicknames bullies flung at me - this really confused them and shortly thereafter they moved on to easier targets.

Namecalling on any level (unless it's playful verbal bantering - which for us moderators is also sometimes hard to recognize) is counterproductive on any level and serves no purpose on the Mb. If it's not going to add anything meaningful to the discussion, why say (type) it at all?

On a similar note, look at the following comments and reaction from ESPN (video clip) from Phil Jackson the other night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3110577

Now, I heard more discussions on 1st and 10 today about it, and one of the anchors said she went on homosexual oriented sports forums and could not find a homosexual person who was offended by the comments. Some actually said it could help the their goals from the added exposure.

Funny how the reporters can seriously laugh out loud when the comment was made, but then the media quickly turns around and bashes Jackson for making the comments (as the ESPN video clip shows.)

Two things..

1. The media is filled with hypocrites.
2. To an extent, I think today's uptight society is to blame.

Seriously, how do you think the classic film Blazing Saddles would be handled by society if it came out in 2007? I wasn't around during the initial release, so I do not know how accepted it was, but I cannot see it being embraced by certain civil rights organizations of today..

Thoughts? Comments?

Another instance..Censoring Santa!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071115/wl_asia_afp/lifestyleaustraliachristmasoffbeat

And let's not forget this classic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3607049/

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/sofa.asp

Man, who cares really. Go throw a **** frisbee. Ho Ho Ho. Texas Teams Baby. See you people that are there Friday.

"****" is okay now, who would 've thunked it.

On a similar note, look at the following comments and reaction from ESPN (video clip) from Phil Jackson the other night.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3110577

Now, I heard more discussions on 1st and 10 today about it, and one of the anchors said she went on homosexual oriented sports forums and could not find a homosexual person who was offended by the comments. Some actually said it could help the their goals from the added exposure.

Funny how the reporters can seriously laugh out loud when the comment was made, but then the media quickly turns around and bashes Jackson for making the comments (as the ESPN video clip shows.)

Two things..

1. The media is filled with hypocrites.
2. To an extent, I think today's uptight society is to blame.

Seriously, how do you think the classic film Blazing Saddles would be handled by society if it came out in 2007? I wasn't around during the initial release, so I do not know how accepted it was, but I cannot see it being embraced by certain civil rights organizations of today..

Thoughts? Comments?



I think you make an excellent point. I think the racist sexist issue is a tough one because there has been so much damage. On the other hand, my oldest is 4 now, and in his daycare I often hear parents being very mad about something some other kid has done to their kid. They scream and yell at the manager and even other parents. All too often, the parents who scream the loudest have the most problematic kids.

My kid is the quietest and politest of the lot, i.e. he gets picked on plenty (yes it starts that young). Now, I can hop to it and scream at the daycare people or I can realize this is going to happen and work with my kid and his self confidence.

Now, my kid smiles at the name callers and says. "I don't like that, it makes me sad, I'm going to go play with someone else." Then he turns around and plays with the nicer kids. our culture now spends so much time trying to make every thing equal that we've lost track of the fact that life ain't fair. I'm not saying ignore the garbage that goes on, I'm saying do what you need to about the egregious stuff and then get over the rest.

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/sofa.asp

Man, who cares really. Go throw a **** frisbee. Ho Ho Ho. Texas Teams Baby. See you people that are there Friday.



Yes, but has anyone ever bought a cracker white colored couch? :D Honestly, some of the Chinese translations are absolutely hilarious and this was obviously an accident. An offensive one, but there you have it.

Another instance..Censoring Santa!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071115/wl_asia_afp/lifestyleaustraliachristmasoffbeat

And let's not forget this classic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3607049/



These are hilarious. So, how is Detroit handing this. My Primary cylinder is functioning but the secondary leaks?

BTW - Santa will always say Ho Ho Ho.

we ought to publish the name of the accuser.





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we ought to publish the name of the accuser.




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It would make anyone who uses the 'Notfy Moderator' button to report rules violations very uncomfortable because of the fear of retribution. Message board users would then likely be afraid to report rules violations. If the PDGA DISCussion Board is to remain a respectful and friendly place, then it's contingent on message board users being able to report rules violations without fear of retribution.

Happy Birthday, Colin :D

I would just like to invite all potential slammers to the Discgolfatlanta message board, where a thick skin is a must. I think all the folks that sit on this message board taking PDGA to task for every little inane thing or pick every answer/decision from them to pieces are the ones that need to take their prozac and watch a couple Dr. Phil episodes. Generally speaking, the PDGA is good people doing the best they can with the information/resources they have - that's the bottom line. Those that cannot see that are the morons...feel free to slam away on discgolfatlanta.com