Last year I put this in the "Misc." section, but it was moved by moderators to "PDGA Tourney Info". So here's this year's projected schedule and contacts. KL

Modesto Nov 17 Tim McClary 209-577-5901
Taft Dec 1 Diane 661-763-4246
Orangevale Dec 15 Bruce K. 916-987-3472
Visalia Jan 5 Chuck Woody 559-635-3472
Fresno Jan 19 Tim Guild 559-297-7475
Hanford Feb 2 Kevin Randall 559-584-1210
Carmichael Feb 16 Ron Brown 916-743-3472
Bakersfield Mar 1 Rocky Brown 661-369-7901
Stockton Mar 22 Kenny Lee 209-601-5513
Finals April 5 or 12 Tim Guild 559-297-7475


If you play in 5 tourneys during the Series, you get to play in the Finals for free. The tourneys from Fresno and northern always fill, so please pre-reg if you plan to play. This schedule could still change depending on the NorCal schedule. Stay tuned for a Modesto flyer.

These are all one day events on Saturdays? What's the typical format - # of holes, divisions, start time? Some Saturday road trips from San Diego could be fun...

They are one-dayers on Saturdays with all traditional divisions.

Kenny

I believe the St Patty's Classic Pro Weekend is the same weekend as Stockton. The weeks were moved up a week because of the Memorial being moved up.

Kenny

I believe the St Patty's Classic Pro Weekend is the same weekend and Stockton. The week were moved you a week because of the Memorial being moved up.



Its always a good idea to check with your St Coordinator ;)
:D
The "Schedule" has some MAJOR twists in it this year... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I know the Memorial is on Mar 6 - 8. St pattys ams is the following week and the pros the week after that.

Kenny

I believe the St Patty's Classic Pro Weekend is the same weekend as Stockton. The weeks were moved up a week because of the Memorial being moved up.



I guess you didn't read the part about the schedule "not being set in stone"! We have contingency plans in place, my man! ;) Thanks for the heads up 6 months in advance, though.
By the way, I don't run the CVS. I'm just one of the many spokes in the rim.

We are looking into it with Jenny to avoid any conflict. I'll keep you posted.

No worries. Stockton will most likely be March 29th. I can�t confirm or deny at this point. I�ve been in contact with PDGA twice for the Major/NT event schedule and they assure me that it will be out to the coordinators by the end of next week. Until then�.We wait.

Modesto Flyer (http://www.final9sports.com/tournaments/files/discgolf%20flyer.png)

Flyer to the most anticipated event in the history of disc golf! :D

Stay tuned for Modesto pre reg list

Hi Kenny,

Not sure if you know the answer to this, but I think it came up last year for one or two guys. Is the requirement to play in 5 events -OR- play in 5 events in a single division (e.g., AM Grandmasters)? As of Jan 1, 2008 I can play Pro Masters in PDGA events, but prior to that must play Pro Open. I plan on playing Modesto and OV as Open, but then need to play 5 more events in 2008 to qualify for the finals--at least that's how I understand it.

I guess the crux of the issue is series points: they do not transfer between divisions. Is it possible that someone with 5 events played could potentially sign up for a division in the free finals but know that they do not have a chance of winning the points prize? I say that's ok. They can still win the cash prize for the finals. But I'm not sure that's "legal" for the CVS.

Thoughts? Thanks!
Steve

Steve (Running Man) Lonhart,
I don't have a definitive answer for you. I'm pretty sure that all of your assumptions are correct.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! There is an individual handing out flyers for the Modesto Fall Classic that is not the TD! Yes he thinks he's running an event on the same date with the same name with ZERO authority and no sanctioning. Be sure your flyer looks professional (ahem - clears throat)and says that checks should be sent to Mike Corbett.

Correct Modesto Flyer available :

Modesto CVS - Fall Classic (http://www.final9sports.com/tournaments/files/FallClassicFlyer.pdf)

Thanks Jen. Can we get it on the NorCal site too?

done:

http://norcalseries.com/schedule.html

Thanks Matt!

Fall Classic Modesto CVS Tournament
Current Registration

Open
Bill Kohler #
Shane Robinson #

Open Masters
Smokin� Joe #
Jim Oates #
Rich Koski

Open Grandmasters
Tim McClary

Open Women
Lacey Robinson #

Advanced
Jason Johnson #
Duane Fuller #

Am Masters
Ray Birch #
Steve Revering #

Am Grandmasters
Mike Corbett

Intermediate
Mike Wood #
Jeffery Yunker #
Devin Welch #
Manuel Oliver #

Women
Amy Yunker #
Victoria Bruss #
Harfijah Oliver #

Juniors

Recreational

We are full speed ahead in spite of bumps in our road. we will max out around 100 ish

I sent in my reg this morning.

no problem, you'll be up soon

Fall Classic Modesto CVS Tournament
Current Registration

Open
Bill Kohler #
Shane Robinson #
Demarcus McCloud #

Open Masters
Smokin� Joe #
Jim Oates #
Rich Koski
Matt Kelly #
Jeff Meichner

Open Grandmasters
Tim McClary

Open Women
Lacey Robinson #

Advanced
Jason Johnson #
Duane Fuller #

Am Masters
Ray Birch #
Steve Revering #
Steve Leroy #
Johnny Blue #

Am Grandmasters
Mike Corbett
Frank Feliz #

Intermediate
Mike Wood #
Jeffery Yunker #
Devin Welch #
Manuel Oliver #
Eric Jones #
Tony Freggiaro #

Women
Amy Yunker #
Victoria Bruss #
Harfijah Oliver #

Hey Mike,

Happy Halloween! :p

The "check is in the mail" as they say. Looking forward to it, although I hope there is no rain, since the "teepads" on the new 9 are gnarly when wet.... :o

See you soon!!
Steve

Just so you know Steve, there is a local that hates those tees more than you do. I don't know what I can do but I'm going to try and think of something. Does anyone think that carpet remnants would work? I'd bet I could get some donated if we think it would work.

What do the # symbols represent?

Just dropped off the reg forms + a check for a friend and myself at the post office... looking forward to playing our first CVS event!

Never played the course in Modesto- any tips as far as predominant shot type? We typically play at Berkeley and SF as a reference point, and have played almost every course within 2 hours of the East Bay with the exception of Modesto :) Is it anything like Oak Grove in Stockton?

Myself and a few San Diegans are thinking about playing the 12/1 Taft tournament. Is pre-reg necessary? If so, where can I find info to pre-reg and details about start times, etc.?

Thanks!

your best bet is to call the TD.

Just dropped off the reg forms + a check for a friend and myself at the post office... looking forward to playing our first CVS event!

Never played the course in Modesto- any tips as far as predominant shot type? We typically play at Berkeley and SF as a reference point, and have played almost every course within 2 hours of the East Bay with the exception of Modesto :) Is it anything like Oak Grove in Stockton?


It's a mix of long and short. More trees and elevation than Stockton. The course we will play is a mix of lefty and righty shots unlike the front 9 which are almost all lefty holes. Rollers are a possibility. Two shots are over water but short. I've been working on a course map, perhaps I can post it here.

Is there still a Modesto Weekly? If so, at what time?

I've been working on a course map, perhaps I can post it here.



That would be fantastic, I'm sure others would appreciate it as well. Thanks for the brief description, glad to hear it's more evenly lefty/righty instead of lefty dominant, since I'm a righty with a very poor forehand ;)

Hole 9: 290 Right or left hyzer
Ho 10: Righty tunnel shot
Ho 11: Lefty hyzer
Ho 12: L str or R
Ho A: str over the creek
Ho B: L 290
H C: 450 or more over a hill with creek on L side
H D: 450 + creek on R
H E: over creek Righty S shot for me
H F 460ish OB on L
H G 370+ through basically no fairway
Hole H: 450 downhill whatever you got shot
Hole I: 370 hyzer
Hole 13: straight if long. L if short
Hole 14: easy 265er L or Righty. R position is toughest Po. Def a Lefty shot
Hole 15: shortest hole...easy
Hole 16: usually a Lefty hole thru trees
Hole 17: 4 posible pos. ob on r.

Rich: help me out a little with this, will ya?

If you don't 4 any of these holes, you may be in the lead. KL

HANFORD TOURNEY CANCELLATION:

Kevin " White Trash " Randall has called it quits. And that's too bad because I always loved the courses he set up. It looks like no one will step up and put this tourney on in Hanford (the home of my first tourney victory in Am. Masters in 1998). Kevin, we hope to see you out there on tour. Nobody blames you for quitting the yearly headache. It's tough being a TD, sanctioned or not. You deserve a break.

In other breaking news: Fiddleneck would like to add our course to the tournament schedule, replacing the Hanford Open. This tourney will be co-run by the Delta Windjammers and the Modesto Area Baskethounds.
Howaboutit?
This is still in the idea phase...more later. KL

Hole 9: 290 Right or left hyzer
Ho 10: Righty tunnel shot
Ho 11: Lefty hyzer
Ho 12: L str or R
Ho A: str over the creek
Ho B: L 290
H C: 450 or more over a hill with creek on L side
H D: 450 + creek on R
H E: over creek Righty S shot for me
H F 460ish OB on L
H G 370+ through basically no fairway
Hole H: 450 downhill whatever you got shot
Hole I: 370 hyzer
Hole 13: straight if long. L if short
Hole 14: easy 265er L or Righty. R position is toughest Po. Def a Lefty shot
Hole 15: shortest hole...easy
Hole 16: usually a Lefty hole thru trees
Hole 17: 4 posible pos. ob on r.

Rich: help me out a little with this, will ya?

If you don't 4 any of these holes, you may be in the lead. KL



You're pretty darned close on these, especially considering that it isn't your home course.

Hole 9: 290 Right or left hyzer CORRECT
Ho 10: 315' Righty tunnel shot CORRECT
Ho 11: Lefty hyzer (it will be in the short position here. 260' Straight to Anhyzer for backhand throwers
Ho 12: 300' Mostly righty hyzer
Ho A: 200' straight over the creek
Ho B: Lefty 290 CORRECT
H C: Wide open 430 over a hill a small green with creek on L side
H D: Wide open 500 creek on R
H E: 250' over creek Righty S shot for me CORRECT
H F 400 OB on Left trouble on right
H G 300' A new tee fixes the basically no fairway problem
Hole H: 450 downhill whatever you got shot CORRECT
Hole I: I think we'll play it in the 370' straight down the fairway position
Hole 13: 325' should be in the long middle position which is a long straight shot with a hyzer finish
Hole 14: easy 265er L or Righty. CORRECT
Hole 15: I think we'll play this from the alt tee. It's still short 250' maybe but more technical shot.
Hole 16: This will be a long (320') straight tunnel shot the onlt disadvantage for a righty is the OB on the deep left.
Hole 17: This will be in the long (370) middle position. One of the best roller holes on the course.
Hole 18: or what we'll play as hole 18 is about 220' with OB on the left and trouble on the right with the basket on the slope of a hill.

Matt, # just means I have the check.

Is there still a Modesto Weekly? If so, at what time?


10am Saturday, Matt

Modesto CVS Tournament 25% full.

Checks in the mail lud

John Lambert = Intermediate

Also, I've also got some CVS info at my site, with plenty of opportunities to ask questions about Taft, Hanford, etc.
http://www.disctribution.com

Thanks

HANFORD TOURNEY CANCELLATION:

Kevin " White Trash " Randall has called it quits. And that's too bad because I always loved the courses he set up. It looks like no one will step up and put this tourney on in Hanford (the home of my first tourney victory in Am. Masters in 1998). Kevin, we hope to see you out there on tour. Nobody blames you for quitting the yearly headache. It's tough being a TD, sanctioned or not. You deserve a break.

In other breaking news: Fiddleneck would like to add our course to the tournament schedule, replacing the Hanford Open. This tourney will be co-run by the Delta Windjammers and the Modesto Area Baskethounds.
Howaboutit?
This is still in the idea phase...more later. KL



I like the idea a lot. I'll help. We'd have to figure out a way split the costs and potential profit.

HANFORD TOURNEY CANCELLATION:




The bunch of us down here were trying to move the Hanford tournament to our newest course in Tulare, CA, which is about 15 minute southeast. It's called Elk Bayou, it's a par 54, 18 hole course with some elevation, a river, lot's of trees and shrubs, and plenty of holes to show off your technical shots. Some of you may have already tried it out while visiting Visalia. We were trying to keep the tourney down this way to allow the southern guys at least 5 tourney's within a decent commute.

How do you guys feel about that? I'm definitely looking for feedback on this. I've already got most everyone's opinion locally, and everyone love's the new course. But this is completely up to you guys that have been doing this for years, just wanted to let everyone know how we're feelin down here.

Hanford is the week that always conflicts with Berzerkeley, right? Doesn't make any difference to me.

Hi John et al.,

I played Elk Bayou about 3 weeks ago and liked it. There were a few things that could cause issues during a tournament (xing fairways, tees), but it is a nice addition to the Visalia/Tulare area.

I'd LOVE a tournament at Fiddleneck, but that's just me...

Cheers,
Steve

We could do both tournies on the same day.

Not a bad idea with the standings all based on points it could work well for the north and the south. Would like to see that course in Tulare.

Let's vote, if you don't mind. Please note, I put Modesto, but I meant FIDDLENECK, it wont let me edit the poll. SOrry guys.

Why is Modesto in that poll?

Um, I meant to put Fiddleneck...sorry

Fall Classic Modesto CVS Tournament
Current Registration

Tournament 60% full
Send in pre reg quickly!

Open
Bill Kohler #
Shane Robinson #
Demarcus McCloud #
James Costa #
Steve Lonhart #
Bob Pauly #
Josh Sappenfield
Chris Awalt #
Kevin Couch
Patrick Hagerty #

Open Masters
Smokin� Joe #
Jim Oates #
Rich Koski #
Matt Kelly #
Jeff Michener #
Greg Zimmerman #
Mike Tirey #
Roger Lowery #

Open Grandmasters
Tim McClary
Kenny Lee #
John Kimble #

Open Women
Lacey Robinson #
Jennifer Smith #
Becki Zimmerman #
Stacy Pauly #

Advanced
Jason Johnson #
Duane Fuller #
Tom Chacon #
Ben Neely #
Robert Brown #
Corey Michener #
Mark Avila #
Bob O Pankow #
Guillermo Avalos #
Am Masters
Ray Birch #
Steve Revering #
Steve Leroy #
Johnny Blue #
Rookie Gill #
Bruce Borba #


Am Grandmasters
Mike Corbett
Frank Feliz #
Eric Macbean #

Intermediate
Mike Wood #
Jeffery Yunker #
Devin Welch #
Manuel Oliver #
Eric Jones #
Tony Freggiaro #
Jeremy Simmons #
Brian Hogg #
Danny Bazo #
Tanner Tirey #
Carl Dice
Chay Nance #

Women
Amy Yunker #
Victoria Bruss #
Harfijah Oliver #

Recreational
Andy Parkison #
Andre Loera #

Juniors

Um, I'm starting to get a little worried. My reg & check is in the mail, but I don't know how long the PO takes from Visalia to Tracy, CA. Hopefully it gets there before you fill up

Should be here by tomorrow I think.

This is the best I can do right now for a map. There may be some subtle changes between now and tournament time. If someone has a way to host a PDF that's downloadable let me know and I can send a PDF for everyone to print.
http://publish.hometown.aol.com/pnkgtr/images/mean18map2.jpg

Does Hole G have a mandatory?

Nicely done Rich. We still need volunteers to help with lunch tasks. Anyone coming that's not playing?

Are the Tulare and Fiddleneck courses permanent installs? If so, can we get some info submitted to the PDGA Directory? We travelers from down south would like to be able to find them!

Fiddleneck is like the nickname here is the course info for it.

http://www.pdga.com/course/courses_by_city.php?id=2199

I dont know about tulare

By the way -- does anyone know where a Taft flyer resides so we can put one up on the NorCal site?

Does Hole G have a mandatory?


That will be up to Tim but we don't play it that way in the weekly.

Rich you can send the PDF file to John@disctribution.com, I will host a downloadable version at www.disctribution.com (http://www.disctribution.com)

Are the Tulare and Fiddleneck courses permanent installs? If so, can we get some info submitted to the PDGA Directory? We travelers from down south would like to be able to find them!



Tulare is a permanent 18 hole course. The course is brand new, and has yet to be submitted to the PDGA course directory. The course is just off highway 99, 70 miles north of Bakersfield. Take ave 200 exit east and stay on the frontage road going south. The road will curve east and the park is directly on the left after the curve. It's easy to find, although the frontage road can be a bit confusing. If you have any questions about Tulare (Elk Bayou Disc Golf Course) please call me at 559-972-1109

By the way -- does anyone know where a Taft flyer resides so we can put one up on the NorCal site?



The flyer for taft isn't available yet, but when it is I'll be hosting it at http://www.disctribution.com . I've been looking at http://www.taft.org/wsrpd/ waiting for them to post a flyer on that site.

Are the Tulare and Fiddleneck courses permanent installs? If so, can we get some info submitted to the PDGA Directory? We travelers from down south would like to be able to find them!



Tulare is a permanent 18 hole course. The course is brand new, and has yet to be submitted to the PDGA course directory. The course is just off highway 99, 70 miles north of Bakersfield. Take ave 200 exit east and stay on the frontage road going south. The road will curve east and the park is directly on the left after the curve. It's easy to find, although the frontage road can be a bit confusing. If you have any questions about Tulare (Elk Bayou Disc Golf Course) please call me at 559-972-1109



Thanks! I may be driving through next Saturday - I'll stop if it fits the driving schedule.

I played Modesto today with T-Mac. They've done some nice work on the dirt tee pads. Zach and Pat Hagerty did most of the work from what I understand.
Not to put any pressure on him, but Zach will win the Advanced division in Modesto! :eek:
I thought I saw Reese out there under the bridge.

I thought I saw Reese out there under the bridge.

Hilarious! Crossing that bridge can be tough sometimes.

Printable course map is available here. http://www.disctribution.com/forums/ModestoMap.pdf

THIS TOURNAMENT IS FULL DO NOT MAIL ANY MORE ENTRIES!

Thank you.

Did I get in?

Sorry, John I don't have the list. It will be updated tomorrow. Some of the entries that are currently in the mail will get in.

I just got an email from Guido and he states that there won't be a replacement for the Hanford tourney and it will only take 4 events to qualify for the finals. This will make it even more important for us to sell the C.V.S. SuperColor Discraft disc for fund raising...more info to follow. This is the newest version of the C.V.S schedule.

Modesto November 17th. Tim Mc Clary 209-577-5901

Taft December 1st. Diane 661-763-4246

Orangevale December 15th. Final 9 Sports , Bruce 916-987-3472

Visalia January 5th. Chuck Woody 559-635-3472

Fresno January 26th. Tim Guild 559-297-7475

Carmichael February 16th Ron Brown 916-743-3472

Bakersfield March 1st Rocky Brown 661-369-7901

Stockton March 22nd Kenny lee 209-601-5513

Finals Fresno : April 5th or 12th T.B.A. Tim Guild 559-297-7475

Who is Guido?

Tim Guild - Fresno

Current registration.

Open 11
Bill Kohler
Shane Robinson
Demarcus McCloud
James Costa
Steve Lonhart
Bob Pauly
Josh Sappenfield
Chris Awalt
John Lipinsky
Patrick Hagerty
Morgan Vortman

Open Masters 11
Smokin� Joe
Jim Oates
Rich Koski
Matt Kelly
Jeff Michener
Greg Zimmerman
Mike Tirey
Roger Lowery
Steve Revering
Kevin Couch
Skullmaster

Open Grandmasters 10
Tim McClary
Kenny Lee
John Kimble
Maya Gonzalez
Del Silva
Felix McGowan
Gary Gillespie
Ernie Valdez
Dan Rea
Larry Kretz

Open Women 4
Lacey Robinson
Jennifer Smith
Becki Zimmerman
Stacy Pauly

Advanced 14
Jason Johnson
Duane Fuller
Tom Chacon
Ben Neely
Corey Michener
Mark Avila
Bob O Pankow
Guillermo Avalos
Mike Lee
Brad Matejek
Zach Taylor
Steve Henkus
Jeremy Cole
Arno Lopez

Am Masters 8
Ray Birch
Steve Leroy
Johnny Blue
Rookie Gill
Bruce Borboa
Tyler Sparks
Robert Brown
Lenny ?

Am Grandmasters 5
Mike Corbett
Frank Feliz
Eric Macbean
Tim Parichan
Steve Parks

Intermediate 24
Mike Wood
Jeffery Yunker
Devin Welch
Manuel Oliver
Eric Jones
Tony Freggiaro
Jeremy Simmons
Brian Hogg
Danny Bazo
Tanner Tirey
Carl Dice
Chay Nance
Daniel Carswell
James Carswell
Jacob Miles
Phillip Parks
Anthony Parks
Damon McDonough
Dave Lo forte
Kenny Little
Brian Frietag
John Lambert
Randy Hixon
Nate Mills

Women 6
Amy Yunker
Victoria Bruss
Harfijah Oliver
Stephanie Haverland
Lauren Powell
Alison Nakatomi

Recreational 2
Andy Parkison
Andre Loera

Juniors 1
Sam Malone

It looks as though there won't be a Rec. or Junior division. So anyone signed up in those divisions must decide if they want to play AM2 or get a refund.

good to see Bob Pauly moving up. I assume it was his decision. :)

I keep hearing the Taft flyer is up at www.taft.org/wsrpd (http://www.taft.org/wsrpd) but I can't find it anywhere. Anyone else get a copy somewhere?

Complete list here. http://www.discgolftournaments.com/index.php?event_id=10955bbdc918205&call_name=print _events

Results will be here too.

Here is the Flyer

http://www.taft.org/wsrpd/Hyperlinks/DISCGOLF%20TOURN.pdf

Just in! Our ColorMax fundraiser disc. All white ESP Buzzzes. http://publish.hometown.aol.com/pnkgtr/images/fallclassic.jpg

That's pretty sweet. I like how you covered up Hanford. Where's the "Orange"?

Yes it was my decision....I figured it might be good experience for me.....then maybe I start playing better......Or i can have fun donating.......either way I have a enough discs

It should be fun and I don't have to worry making an ***** out of myself I already do that....

See you all there...

Speaking of Matt why aren't you playing?

I'm playing.

Current Fall Classic Modesto CVS registration.100% full
If any paid players are not planning on coming, let me know. There is a long wait list. Mike 209-321-7004

Open 12
Bill Kohler
Shane Robinson
Demarcus McCloud
James Costa
Steve Lonhart
Bob Pauly
Josh Sappenfield
Chris Awalt
John Lipinsky
Patrick Hagerty
Morgan Vortman
Mike Wilson

Open Masters 12
Smokin� Joe
Jim Oates
Rich Koski
Matt Kelly
Jeff Michener
Greg Zimmerman
Mike Tirey
Roger Lowery
Steve Revering
Kevin Couch
Skullmaster
Mike Mattos

Open Grandmasters 10
Tim McClary
Kenny Lee
John Kimble
Maya Gonzalez
Del Silva
Felix McGowan
Gary Gillespie
Ernie Valdez
Dan Rea
Larry Kretz

Open Women 4
Lacey Robinson
Jennifer Smith
Becki Zimmerman
Stacy Pauly

Advanced 15
Jason Johnson
Duane Fuller
Tom Chacon
Ben Neely
Corey Michener
Mark Avila
Bob O Pankow
Guillermo Avalos
Mike Lee
Brad Matejek
Zach Taylor
Steve Henkus
Jeremy Cole
Arno Lopez
Robert Frias

Am Masters 9
Ray Birch
Steve Leroy
Johnny Blue
Rookie Gill
Bruce Borboa
Tyler Sparks
Robert Brown
Lenny ?
Brian Thies

Am Grandmasters 5
Mike Corbett
Frank Feliz
Eric Macbean
Tim Parichan
Steve Parks

Intermediate 27
Mike Wood
Jeffery Yunker
Devin Welch
Manuel Oliver
Eric Jones
Tony Freggiaro
Jeremy Simmons
Brian Hogg
Danny Bazo
Tanner Tirey
Carl Dice
Chay Nance
Daniel Carswell
James Carswell
Jacob Miles
Phillip Parks
Anthony Parks
Damon McDonough
Dave Lo forte
Kenny Little
Brian Frietag
John Lambert
Randy Hixon
Nate Mills
Andy Parkison
Andre Loera
Sam Malone

Women 6
Amy Yunker
Victoria Bruss
Harfijah Oliver
Stephanie Haverland
Lauren Powell
Alison Nakatomi

Current wait list CVS Modesto. 1-3 have a slight chance of getting in. Next year we hope to have 36 holes and everyone will play both courses. We can then handle 150+

1 Brian Becker
2 Krash
3 George Kimmerlein
4. Mark Farrarr
5 Cole Leddbetter
6 Rocky Brown
7 Dwayne Howell
8 Mitch Carbone
9 Josh Cites
10 Daniel Padovan
11 Jeff Faes
12 Dave Baer
13 Damon Favela
14 Steve Duncan
15 Ben Boylan Jr.
16 Harvest Avery
17 Lorraine

Les Clark is the contact for Taft: 661-763-4246

If you need the flyer for Taft I've got the condensed version hosted at http://www.disctribution.com On the main page you'll see the CVS schedule and click the "CLICK HERE TO REGISTER" under the taft tourney.

Also now hosting the Orangevale flyer and soon the Visalia flyer at http://www.disctribution.com

The Fall Classic Players Packages will be awesome!!

It's all ready to go! 19 holes twice, nice lunch with dessert, killer raffle with a Chain Star Basket worth $380. Excellent disc sales including custom Koski Fly Dyes. Excellent players package, disc, tie dye towel, sport bottle, trinkets and goodies. Players package for pros and ams. %100 payout to pros and excellent coverage for the ams. All the money left from raffle and disc sales go to get tee pads and signs on the third nine at Modesto. CVS Rocks!!

Bring extra cash. These dyed discs are AWESOME!

I'll be there(Coffee and Scenic) for a practice round around 2:45 today if anyone is interested. KL

Congrats Kenny on your win! And to Kevin Couch for Pro Masters and Stacy Pauly for Pro Women. Big thanks to Tim, Mike, Jen, Jeremy and all the other Modesto folks that made the Fall Classic an excellent one-day tournament!! The weather was awesome, lunch was great, and everything went very smoothly.

I hope to see many of you at the Xmas Open in Orangevale.
Cheers,
Steve :)

Yep, I had a great time too. The details such as 10 meter markings around most of the baskets, the OB lines being clearly marked, and the porta-potty at tournament central made this event stand out! Does Modesto ever host any PDGA events? Looks like y'all are ready!

I had a blast! Damon and me fought until the end! We both know we could have had a better game, but I think we had fun. Thanks for a great tournament, I'll be coming back as AM1 next year to get my butt kicked.

P.S. Remember, you can find the TAFT, ORANGEVALE, and soon the Visalia Flyers at http://www.Disctribution.com
Taft Flyer: http://www.disctribution.com/forums/tafttourney.pdf
Orangevale Flyer: http://www.disctribution.com/forums/xmasopenflyer07.pdf

Thanks for the props, but you left out Rich who helped me out a ton preparing for my first time running a cvs tournament. :cool: And I want to thank Stacy for help with the cards; Jen must have told her how slow I am doing the handicapping for our weekly. Of course having a veteran score card shuffler like you Steve made my job easier. :D

The scores are up HERE!

http://www.discgolftournaments.com/index.php?event_id=10955bbdc918205&call_name=print _events

I'm missing a player but all of the cards I have add up to 99 so a card must be missing.

:oNo score card was lost. We had one player in adv. women drop out just before the start. She actually got literally sick and couldn't play and I didn't find out about it until the end of the tourney.

Thanks to Tim, Rich, and everybody else who helped put on this event- I had a fantastic time and would highly recommend this tournament to anybody else who's within a few hours' drive.

The course is really nice- I particularly liked the new 9. Hope you guys were able to raise enough money to cover full installation, although I had no complaints about the natural tees, they held up just fine.

For the stat geeks out there, I punched in everyone's scores who have current PDGA ratings into the SSA calculator and ended up with an SSA for the day of 52.88.

This means that Kevin Couch shot a day of 1042 rated golf, and that Staci Pauly's even par round of 57 was approximately rated 960. Some great shooting out there!

We were wondering about the potential ratngs. Thanks for doing that. So a 1000 round would be what approximately? A 52 or 53 I guess?

Yeah, a 53 is approximately a 999 and a 52 is a 1008. Not statistically perfect since only about 40 people in the field had current PDGA ratings, but at least everybody played the same layout, makes things reasonably accurate.

My bad! :o Rich did a great job, per usual. That artwork was great on the fundraiser disc, and my wife was very impressed. She asked about the little details, like the # on the sign (I assumed it was Rich's PDGA #) and the little sign about not kicking your bag. :D

And thanks to the person who did the SSA stuff. It's always nice to see where your score falls out on the rating system.

Cheers,
Steve

Hey that means I shot a 930 and a 950....well above my actual rating. I musta been really focused considering it was my first visit. Of course, playing with Jim O and Tim the first round was helpful.

999 and 1017 here. It's too bad my home course isn't a PDGA stop. It could help prop up my rating.

Thanks for the props, Steve. Nice victory there yourself, big fella! Looks like you are on your way to repeating!!

Way to go Baskethounds for a swell tourney. Was that some awesome weather Saturday or what?

We had lots of good help. Now lets get Modesto on The PDGA tournament cycle

The flyer is up! Pre-reg is required! Get on over to http://www.disctribution.com to print the flyer. Click on the link in the CVS section on the main page. You can also register for Taft and others there.

This tournament MAY fill up this year so be sure to get your reg sent in soon. If you have any questions you can leave them here, for faster answers register at disctribution.com (completely free)and use the chatbox feature which is checked every hour.

As most of you know, the Chrismas Open is FULL. See ya all at the clubhouse in December :cool:Hope it's not foggy or rainy. We are totally due for both. :mad:

FYI, AM3 has been added to the Visalia CVS tournament by popular demand. We're anticipating a full house so register soon to reserve your place. Go to http://www.disctribution.com to print the flyer out.

Good luck to those in Taft and those going to Orangevale!

Taft Results?

Not sure, I've sent an email to Les, hopefully I'll be able to get them. I'll post here with more info.

Skull was planning on having this tourney at the new Del Paso course; however, there has been a snag in the red tape and right now it is in negotiation stage with the city parks dept.

They may have to reconfigure the course to stay away from the drainage areas of the park. Supposedly, there is some individual that is causing the delay. The disc golfers are pretty positive that the course will eventually be realized.
Worst case scenario for the tourney would be playing it entirely at Little Africa (no problem, if you ask me).
If the course (Del Paso) does go in, there is still the posibility the 2 pools will be playing one round each at DP or LA. None of this is in stone, so we'll all just have to wait and see. We still have a couple months to iron this thing out. Ron Brown knows more, so hopefully he'll chime in here.

The Taft CVS results are finally in! Check them out at http://www.disctribution.com in the CVS section on the main page. Remember, registration is completely free.

Orangevale Dec 15 Bruce K. 916-987-3472
Visalia Jan 5 Chuck Woody 559-635-3472
Fresno Jan 26 Tim Guild 559-297-7475

Carmichael Feb 16 Ron Brown 916-743-3472
Bakersfield Mar 1 Rocky Brown 661-369-7901
Stockton Mar 22 Kenny Lee 209-601-5513
Finals April 5 or 12 Tim Guild 559-297-7475






Fresno in now Jan 26th.

Thanks for the update, Kenny! Too bad the Hanford date did not move up to Fiddleneck.

Cheers,
Steve

Chuck Woody's number is incorrect. It should read 559-635-0267.

Just so you guys know the Visalia CVS has gotten over $1400 in sponsor money and you know Chuck's paying the money out. There is still room to register and 17 days left before registration closes. Anyone interested in registering please visit http://www.disctribution.com and click on Visalia's CVS link to register. Hope to see you guys there!

Yer welcome, Steve. Ya, too bad it didn't happen. It probably would have happened, but somebody else jumped on my idea and squashed it. I'll just have to have a Pro-only tourney out there some time in the future. KL

Windjammer Equinox 2008
There is no flyer yet, but you can still send me your registration by sending your $$, division, and name to:

Kenny Lee
7496 Southland Rd.
Manteca, CA 95336

Pros: $40
Ams: $30

Matt, where's the new NorCal points for 2008? The season started months ago! :o:D

See y'all in Orangevale Saturday, dress warm

Matt, will Willits be on the NorCal schedule this year?

Hey Kenny,

What's the date for that? Out at Fiddleneck?
Thanks!
Steve

Orangevale results have been posted at http://www.disctribution.com in the CVS section on the main page. Ratings were also calculated using PDGA ratings and the ratings course calculator!

Thank you, www.Final9sports.com (http://www.Final9sports.com) for the excellent tourney as usual. The weather cooperated and so did my game. I went from #5 OV tag to #4!! Woo-hoo!

Stockton boy, Chay, wins his first tourney. Way to go. You are now a man!!!Time to join the Windjammers!!

Next stop on the tour: Visalia and their two courses. Should be fun. Chuck always does a nice job down there.

Matt, will Willits be on the NorCal schedule this year?



Yes...It is June 7-8... ;)

Fresno's CVS flyer is now available to print at http://www.disctribution.com ! You can also sign up for Visalia if you haven't already.

I have a question regarding point for the series.

1. If you win, you get 100 points. If there is a tie for first place, do both players get 100 points irrespective of the playoff for the trophy/cash?
2. If there is a tie for any place other than first, do they both get the same amount of points. For example, two players with the 3rd best score in their division (both shoot -11) get 90 points. Then the fourth best score gets 80 points, right?
3. Using the CVS system, once there are more than 20 players, no one gets any points. But isn't there a minimum number of points? Is it 10 points?
4. If you DNF do you get points? How many?

Thanks for the info! I'm attempting to put up some unofficial point totals for the season thus far, and just want to make sure I have the scoring scheme correct.

Merry Christmas!
Steve

I have all the same questions about points that you do steve. My first time in CVS. Looking forward to some kind of knowledge on how it works.

Steve,John, the times I've done the stats for CVS I always gave the trophy winner the points. No one told me to I just thought that it was the fair way to do things. Concerning other ties though, the players that tie are supposed to receive the highest point amount for the position they placed (example:tied for forth each player gets 85 points and fifth gets 75). I hope this helps.

Thanks Rich! And Merry Christmas!

First place ties are supposed to get the same amount of points.

Here is an unofficial preview of the standings for Open. This includes Modesto, Taft, and Sacramento points. Sorry about the formatting.

Division Total to date Name

Open 185 Shane Robinson
Open 180 Steve Lonhart
Open 115 Mitch Carbone
Open 100 Cole Ledbetter
Open 100 Josh Anthon
Open 95 Mel Mills
Open 95 Gregg Barsby
Open 95 James Costa
Open 95 Josh Sappenfield
Open 90 Chuck Woody
Open 90 Bill Kohler
Open 85 Jesse Chambless
Open 85 Brian Johnstone
Open 85 Josh Cites
Open 80 Patrick Hagerty
Open 75 Michael Tomolillo
Open 75 Bob Pauly
Open 75 Mike Wilson
Open 70 Derek Billings
Open 70 John Johnson
Open 60 Brian Costa
Open 60 DeMarcus McCloud
Open 50 Jason Willis
Open 50 Morgan Vortman
Open 45 Brandon Sy
Open 45 Jason Baehr
Open 30 Dave Burnham
Open 25 Donnie Miller
Open 15 Larry Christensen

Pro Masters 195 Jim Oates
Pro Masters 185 Kevin Couch
Pro Masters 165 Rich Koski
Pro Masters 150 Matt Kelly
Pro Masters 145 Mike Mattos
Pro Masters 130 Skull Brown
Pro Masters 115 Gregg Zimmerman
Pro Masters 105 John Lipnisky
Pro Masters 100 Frank Reed
Pro Masters 95 Bob Wiedemann
Pro Masters 95 Lawrence Halili
Pro Masters 95 Bruce Knisley
Pro Masters 90 Jeff Fiedler
Pro Masters 85 Tom La Torre
Pro Masters 80 Kevin Randall
Pro Masters 80 Peter Sontag
Pro Masters 75 Mike Ulawski
Pro Masters 70 Billy Lane
Pro Masters 65 B. Villarreal
Pro Masters 65 Jon Avery
Pro Masters 60 Steve Revering
Pro Masters 55 Mark Whitingslow
Pro Masters 55 Jeff Michener
Pro Masters 50 Mike Tirey

If anyone suspects their points total is out of whack, let me know.
Cheers,
Steve
:cool:

Steve have you done any of the points for other divisions. Is there somewhere I can check them out. I'd like to do a sort of "unofficial" point standings for all divisions at www.disctribution.com. (http://www.disctribution.com.) Or maybe just tell me what structure you use to determine points?

1st place gets 100 points, 2nd gets 95, etc... everyone gets at least 50 points. Ties get the average of the # of scores that tie. Example [ 2 second place finishers in same tourney get (95 + 90)/2 = 92.5 ave.] Now get to tabulating.

Hi Kenny,

So I have a slightly different system that I picked up mostly from Koski. I'll give an example:

Name Place Points
Joe 1st 100
Jim 2nd 95
Jon 2nd 95
Jeb 4th 85
Jud 5th 80
.
.
.
Jes 25th 5
Jos 26th 5


So the minimum for showing up and finishing is 5 pts. The best score receives 100. The second best score receives 95 pts and so on in 5 pt increments to the minimum of 5 pts. DNF gets 0 pts.

In this scheme there is no averaging (as Kenny suggested). You get points based on how many people scored better than you. So at 100 points, no one scored better than you (although there could be ties for the best score in a division, and hence all tied for first in the same division should [IMO] get the same CVS points).

In the example above, Joe won outright and gets 100 pts. Then there are two guys with the same score, the second best score in their division. Only one player's score was better, so they both get 95 pts (and not 90+95 /2 = 92.5 pts). So in the scheme I use Jim and Jon get 95 pts each.

Then comes Jeb. He gets 85 pts. But why not 90 pts? Because there are three *players* whose scores are better than Jeb's (i.e. Joe, Jim and Jon all shot better than Jeb). So Jeb gets 85 pts.

And so on until you get to the 20th player and beyond, and all those guys get 5 pts for finishing the tournament. Now that some CVS divisions are so large, it would be better to have points range from 200 pts on down to avoid having the tail of the division truncated. Although the reality is that guys down in the tail end are highly unlikely to contend for the overall anyways... But it's the math that bugs me. :mad:

So there you have it. Let me know if the system I use is incorrect. I get the sense there is no "official" system in place, and since Rich was kind enough to do it last year, I opted to use his system with the one exception: Rich would not give 100 pts to 1st place ties and would use the tie-break for the trophy to award 1st and 2nd etc.

And to answer John's question, I do have other divisions and I will post them as I can, which should be this week.

Cheers,
Steve

:D

As long as you use it consistently, any system will work. You're doing a find job taking over the points so everyone can get an inkling. I have a pm out to CVS 2get you the information you need on the historicaly used system for tabulating points. More soon. KL

Hi Kenny,

Thanks for rounding up the info! :D

Here's the cool guy division :cool:to date (no Pro GMs played at Taft):

Pro Grand 200 Kenny Lee
Pro Grand 190 Smokin Joe Oliverio
Pro Grand 170 Tim McClary
Pro Grand 155 Dan Rea
Pro Grand 130 Ernie Valdez
Pro Grand 90 Rich Brumbeloe
Pro Grand 90 Charlie Callahan
Pro Grand 85 Larry Kretz
Pro Grand 80 Del Silva
Pro Grand 70 Jeff Stoops
Pro Grand 65 Isaac Favela
Pro Grand 65 John Kimball
Pro Grand 65 Maya Gonzalez
Pro Grand 55 Gary Gillespie

Cheers,
Steve :D

AM2 CVS points as of Dec 27. Likely some errors, so please let me know.

AM2 220 Jeff Yunker
AM2 195 John Lambert
AM2 190 Chay Nance
AM2 160 Nate Mills
AM2 160 Manny Oliver
AM2 160 James Carswell
AM2 155 D LaForti
AM2 115 Tony Freggiaro
AM2 115 Damon McDonough
AM2 100 Joey Burns
AM2 100 Kyle Waldron
AM2 95 Jeremy Simmons
AM2 90 Robert Morrell
AM2 90 Randy Hixon
AM2 85 Cory Carlson
AM2 80 B Andrews
AM2 80 Andy Parkison
AM2 80 Anthony Mata
AM2 80 Ken Little
AM2 75 Nathan Grayem
AM2 70 Josh Parichan
AM2 70 Paul Cruz
AM2 65 J Owen
AM2 60 Brian Hogg
AM2 55 E Tryer
AM2 50 Brian Frietag
AM2 45 Pete Williams
AM2 45 Mike Wood
AM2 40 T Ward
AM2 40 Tony Brewster
AM2 40 Eric Jones
AM2 35 Devin Welch
AM2 35 Kevin "Chainsaw" Darr
AM2 35 Danny Bazo
AM2 30 D Green
AM2 30 Phillip Parks
AM2 25 Chris Shade
AM2 25 Andy Parkison
AM2 20 S Garner
AM2 20 Anthony Parks
AM2 20 Matthew Flick
AM2 15 M Ortiz
AM2 15 K Metz
AM2 15 Andre Loera
AM2 10 Daniel Carswell
AM2 5 D Johnson
AM2 5 Mike Brookhouser
AM2 5 Mike Lopez
AM2 5 Kevin Little
AM2 5 D Holliday
AM2 5 J Lopez
AM2 5 J Miles
AM2 5 Nick Vivas
AM2 5 Alex Waldron
AM2 5 Joe Lopez
AM2 5 Drew Gibson
AM2 5 Jacob Miles
AM2 5 Tanner Tirey
AM2 5 Sam Malone
AM2 0 Rob Brandlein

Also, in the future, anyone entering scores should use first and last name whenever possible. It makes my life easier when trying to match people between tournaments.

Cheers,
Steve

:D

Another question. I see the points standings, and I see I have the second place for AM2. I know it doesn't apply yet, because we've only had 3 tournaments, but this year we'll be taking the best 4 tournaments for each player to tabulate scores correct? I know it's normally 5 right? But this year is different. So it's not based on total points for all tournaments, but instead total points for a players best 4 tournaments. Correct me if I'm wrong. I almost think it'd be easier to just use averages. For example:

Paul got 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. Paul's average would be 97.5
Jimmy got 1st, 3rd, 4th, 1st Jimmy's average would be 93.75

as opposed to Paul's 390 versus Jimmy's 375

anyway this is all new to me so forgive me for rambling

If you give 50 points to a last place finisher they have less incentive to play another tournament to erase the poor finish from their record. And I don't quite understand giving 100 points to each first place finisher yet dividing the points for lower ties. It would seem that would make for two point standards. To be consistant, three players tied for first place would each get 95 points (and that's not right either).

Hi John and Rich,

First John: it is my understanding that the overall winner will be based on the top 4 regular season events for an individual plus the points scored in the final. The maximum score is 500 points (i.e. some guy won 4 regular events and won the free finals at Fresno). Kenny or Rich--let me know if I have that right.

Second John: there is no difference in point total vs. average score since all averages are divided by the same number of events. In the above example, Joe Winner with 500 pts has an average of 100 pts. Unless there is a strong desire by lots of players to have means rather than totals displayed, I'm going to stick with totals.

Rich #1: I agree that 50 pts for finishing is too much. Hence the 5 pts I proposed.

Rich #2: Personally, I like the idea of getting points based on the number of people below your score. As I outlined in a previous message, this should be applied to all places (including first). I'm not sure if you were addressing that issue or not. But I'm willing to debate it. :D

Happy New Year to all!
Steve ;)

Mike Lee is in charge of getting the point totals together this year and he's doing just that since Fresno has the finals. His will be the only valid post when he's done. That's the word from HQ.

Thanks Kenny! I'm glad someone will be doing it officially.

I'll still post my version, in the hopes that it does not cause confusion but instead motivates players to do their best and move up in the standings. :D

Next time I see Mike Lee I'll ask him how he's doing the scoring so I can mimic his process.

Happy New Year!
Steve :D

Thanks Steve, I'm glad somebody has the motivation and resources to do what you're trying to do. It helps get our local disc golf out of the dark ages. :D

Unofficial standings... ;)

AM1 190 Zach Taylor
AM1 180 Jason Johnson
AM1 170 Mike T. Lee
AM1 135 Rob Frias
AM1 135 Tom Chacon
AM1 125 Duane Fuller
AM1 120 Steve Henkis
AM1 105 Bob-O Pankow
AM1 100 Jonas Escalera
AM1 95 J Golliher
AM1 95 Nuggett
AM1 90 Rocky Brown
AM1 90 Guillermo Avalos
AM1 80 M Castro
AM1 80 Ben Neely
AM1 80 Arno Lopez
AM1 80 Jamie Tuckey
AM1 75 Billy Comeau
AM1 75 Jeremy Cole
AM1 75 Phil Vicario
AM1 75 Nate Hendrickson
AM1 75 Don Segur
AM1 70 Marc Avila
AM1 60 A Santana
AM1 60 Chris Awalt
AM1 60 Ben Bolyan Jr
AM1 55 M Marcis
AM1 55 Kevin Miller
AM1 55 Lonnie Meagher
AM1 55 JJ Ross
AM1 50 C Klaiber
AM1 50 Brad Matejek
AM1 45 Justin Lieberman
AM1 35 T Fulton
AM1 30 Krash Gustavson
AM1 30 Nick Sears
AM1 25 Steve Henkis
AM1 20 Joe Jones
AM1 15 Andy Fisher
AM1 15 Matt Borek
AM1 5 Brad Hart
AM1 5 Dave Banish
AM1 0 Paul Adams

Pro Women 190 Becki Zimmerman
Pro Women 180 Lacey Soltau-Robinson
Pro Women 100 Stacy Pauly
Pro Women 100 Jennifer Smith


Again, let me know if you find any glaring errors. :o

AM Women 190 Victoria Bruss
AM Women 175 Amy Yunker
AM Women 100 Adell Cookson
AM Women 95 Lauren Powell
AM Women 95 Bonnie Missall
AM Women 90 Alison Nakatomi
AM Women 80 Stephanie Haverland
AM Women 80 Ann Farrell

Here's the last two divisions-worth of unofficial scores. Happy New Year! :D

AM Grand 280 Eric MacBean
AM Grand 260 Tim Parichan
AM Grand 195 Frank Feliz
AM Grand 165 Mike Corbett
AM Grand 160 Steve Parks
AM Grand 100 Mark Farrar
AM Grand 100 Leo McClatchy
AM Grand 90 Dave Signorotti



AM Masters 185 Robert Brown
AM Masters 150 Bruce Barboa
AM Masters 140 Gil Hoge
AM Masters 135 Steve Leroy
AM Masters 135 Johnny Blue
AM Masters 135 Tyler Sparks
AM Masters 110 George Kimmerlein
AM Masters 100 D Howell
AM Masters 100 Steve Revering
AM Masters 95 S Wiseman
AM Masters 95 Steve Duncan
AM Masters 90 G Heater
AM Masters 90 Ray Birch
AM Masters 90 Jeff Silver
AM Masters 85 Gordon Griesel
AM Masters 85 Brian Thies
AM Masters 85 Bruce Edwards
AM Masters 85 Ray Birch
AM Masters 85 Mike Langley
AM Masters 75 Neil Pilegard
AM Masters 70 D Wiseman
AM Masters 65 D Ashly
AM Masters 65 Les Swift
AM Masters 55 Lenny Tavares
AM Masters 35 Rick Haddad

Hi All,

Below are "points" using the PDGA's NT system, quoted below. I thought it would be useful to compare how the PDGA scheme differs from the one I've used in the unofficial standings.

"Here are some examples:
If you beat or tie 24 players in the Pro Open division at a National Tour event, you will receive (24 + yourself) x 10 points = 250 Pro Points.
If you beat or tie 37 players in the Advanced division at an A Tier event, you will receive (37 + yourself) x 10 points = 380 Amateur Points."


Below is a comparison for Pro Men using the system I outlined in earlier messages, and the one used by the PDGA for points.

First no. = points using PDGA system
Second no. = rank using PDGA points
Third no. = points using unofficial CVS system
Fourth no. = rank using unofficial CVS system

PDGA CVS
270 1 185 1 Shane Robinson
260 2 180 2 Steve Lonhart
130 6 115 3 Mitch Carbone
40 21 100 4 Cole Ledbetter
180 3 100 4 Josh Anthon
30 24 95 6 Mel Mills
170 4 95 6 Gregg Barsby
90 13 95 6 James Costa
110 10 95 6 Josh Sappenfield
20 26 90 10 Chuck Woody
100 11 90 10 Bill Kohler
10 28 85 12 Jesse Chambless
150 5 85 12 Brian Johnstone
70 16 85 12 Josh Cites
80 14 80 15 Patrick Hagerty
130 6 75 16 Michael Tomolillo
70 16 75 16 Bob Pauly
70 16 75 16 Mike Wilson
120 8 70 19 Derek Billings
120 8 70 19 John Johnson
100 11 60 21 Brian Costa
40 21 60 21 DeMarcus McCloud
80 14 50 23 Jason Willis
20 26 50 23 Morgan Vortman
70 16 45 25 Brandon Sy
70 16 45 25 Jason Baehr
40 21 30 27 Dave Burnham
30 24 25 28 Donnie Miller
10 28 15 29 Larry Christensen

In both cases Shane's in 1st and I'm trailing, but that's because we've played two events and done well, whereas most others have played only 1 event. Look at places 3-10 for the interesting differences. Cole drops from 4th place in the CVS system to 21st in the PDGA system. This is because the points generated by the PDGA system are based on the number of entrants. Getting first with only 4 competitors gives the winner 40 points, vs. Josh Anthon beating 17 guys to score 180 points. I think there is a big difference in winning at Orangevale vs. 17 Pros than winning at Taft vs. 3 Pros. But in the CVS system the winner gets the same score (100 pts).

Back in the day, when the CVS was in its infancy and player attendance was generally low (except for a few venues), having a level scoring scheme made sense since it was in a player's interest to go to poorly attended events and rack up the points. This, IMO, lead to growth at the less attended CVS events, and thereby spread the wealth and grew the sport. But in more recent years, most of the events fill up via pre-registration and actually turn players away. While there is still a benefit to going to Taft and Bakersfield (usually non-filled fields), most of the other CVS events are oversubscribed, and going to the most competitive events (e.g., Orangevale) is not really in the interest of players wanting to score big points (but it is in their best interest to play against tougher competition and thereby improve :eek: ).

So I thought I would throw that out there for consideration by the CVS gurus for the 2008-2009 season. I hope people voice some opinions about both schemes (in addition to those from Kenny and Rich! :o).

Cheers,
Steve

I'm just glad you are so into it. CVS certainly has grown in many ways over the last 3 years.

Thanks Mike, and Happy New Year!
Steve :D

Be sure to bring foul weather gear! Visalia will be both cold, windy and wet! :o

See you Saturday.
Steve ;)

See you up there Steve. Leave plenty early so you don't get stuck somewhere :).

I practiced playing in the snow and rain during my trip to Oregon over the holidays. Let it Rain!

Unfortunately, I had to pull out of Visalia. I've been battling a bug since the xmas open. I was really looking forward to it, but my wife and I are flying to Thailand next week and I need to be as healthy as possible for that trip. See y'all at the Skullmaster Disaster.

Safe travels Matt! I'll take pictures of Visalia to show the wind and rain generated havoc....
Steve :D

Well, somehow, after all the winter weather anticipation, the sun made a brief appearance at the V-Town Open. It stayed dry and mildly windy just long enough to finish the tournament. Within minutes of finishing, the rain started pouring. Mother nature must be a disc golfer.

Here are the V-Town Open results:
http://www.disctribution.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189

and if you need to register for the Fresno CVS event you can print the flyer out now at disCtribution.

This thread is weak! Come on, people! I want to hear some quotes from Stan, Koski, and even D-Balls Fuller. You guys played great! What was your secret?

Chuck played well. It's very difficult to play well when you are running a tourney. Congrats Chuck Woody.
Was DGA the sponsor again? What was in the players package?

I was just trying to impress Jeff Michener since he was in my group. I was determined to show him that I'm not a one dimensional player (though he's never accused me of such). So I shot a -8 on the front course -4 backhand and -4 forehand. I only had one blemish on my card all day, I took a 5 on a 735' hole. No penalties.

The players package was a you-pick-it DGA disc. I got a white (dyeable) Shockwave.

Go get 'em in Santa Maria, Kenny (and the rest of NorCal)!

"dimentional" a form of dimentia? were you disorientated?

You know it didn't look right to me either. Sounds right though. Freudian slip. Thanks, Mike.

Pro women results are not posted. Did they have that division?

I may no be able to keep the thread from being weak, but I'll post anyway.

I came prepared for some super wet golf, but it ended up being a beautiful day with even a smidgen of sun peaking out of the clouds once or twice. I attribute my good rounds to never having played the course before and so not really knowing what could go wrong and good putting. Luckily for me the course was shortened a bit because of the predicted storm so I was able to compete with Derek who can out throw me any day of the week. Except for a couple of holes Derek played really solid and he held his composer very well through the bad spots. The tree kicks just happened to go my way for once a couple of times and I only missed one put within 25 feet.

Like Rich the only blemish on my card was a 4 on the 705 footer, and even then I had a 50 foot put hit the basket to almost 3 it. I loved the course and the venue and will definitely try to make it to more V-Town tournys. Chuck, John and Neil are great hosts and put on a great event.

This is my first win since turning pro almost 2 years ago (First cash was 2006 CSUMB Open) so it means a lot to me.

Now those are the kind of posts I was expecting out of this thread. Congratulation on your first pro win, Stan. That has to be an awesome feeling. Your overpreperation payed dividends.

Tear it up in Frizno!!!

So here's what's left to play in the Central Valley Series (CA) 2007-2008:

Fresno 01/26
Carmichael 02/16
Bakersfield 03/01
Stockton 03/22

Finals 04/05 Fresno, CA

Any chance Mike Lee can have a midway-through-the-series update on standings? :D

If not that, I'd be happy to do an unofficial one but only if I can use whatever system Mike is using to do the official calculations...

Cheers,
Steve ;)

1st=100,2nd=95,etc.
Only 1st place ties are not averaged. A playoff will determine the 100 points. Runner-up gets 95.

SCORE-PLACE-POINTS
99 1* 100 *wins playoff(probably splits $$)
99 2 95
100 3 87.5 playoff for trophy only
100 3 87.5
101 4 75
101 4 75
101 4 75
102 7 65

I hope the example helps. Cheers! KL

Any list available of who is coming to Fresno? Guido's phone message says the tourney is sold out!

Might be a trifle wet this Saturday! Be ready

Scores!!!????

I'm even. No birdies or bogeys yet!

The weather was great! No rain, sunny skies, and moderate amounts of wind. I had to put on suncreen! :eek:

Oates won Masters (-8 and -7, I think), followed by Kevin Couch and Rich Koski.

Ken 'Tank' Franks shot an amazing -11 on the second round, bogey free, to leap from 4th to 1st, then Brandon Sy 2 strokes behind him (-12 overall) and Robert McIntee one behind that.

Beyond that I don't know.

Cheers,
Steve :cool:

Welcome to the Central Valley Series, Tank.

Hopefully I'll have results up soon at disctribution.com

Hi John,

Have you received any scores from Guido or his gang?
Cheers,
Steve

I'm starting to think that we should have done it like last year Steve. I'm not blaming John.

What's the problem?

Hi Kenny,

It's not a problem, per se, but just a different way of doing things. Last year I was pretty good about either photographing all the result sheets or actually taking the completed cards. I then entered several tournaments onto discgolftournaments.com for folks to see.

John has a really cool site at disCtribution, and has been able to post scores etc., but I think he's running into delays in getting scores from TDs. That's why I just brought my camera if they didn't want to let go of hard copies.

Anyways, I appreciate John's hard work on this. I think in the future the heads of the CVS should consider how to more effectively post tournament scores and have series standings updated through the season.

Cheers,
Steve :D

Steve, gotcha. What you need to know is that the CVS was created to buck the current trend to mainstream the disc golf culture. I wasn't even playing when this series started. Just passing on some history. Anyway, with the infotrends that occur in our century, people expect to get results on demand. I applaud anyone that goes the extra mile to inform the masses. Go for it.
What I think would work would be a blank spreadsheet that can be filled out at the tourney by a numbeer or volunteers. So I would advise to create a spreadsheet with enough room to get a whole tourney onto it. Lots of ADV and INTs. This "is" a developmental series. Distribute these to the TD's and they can have someone fill it out. Just an idea ;)kl;pterodactyl

Hi Kenny,

You hit the nail on the head: in this day and age, we expect to see results quickly. :)

Most of the updates this year and in past years have been due to folks (e.g., Koski, Lambert et al.) volunteering their time. I have also thought of having a "final scores" sheet, but I'd rather take a digital image of the real thing than spend time transcribing data. The process of entering the scores into the database takes up enough time, so last year I opted to photograph either 1) the TDs score sheets, 2) the cards in their sleeves (e.g., Visalia), or 3) take the actual cards once the TD said ok.

Next year I will continue to do this, and for those tournaments I always miss (Carmichael, Taft, Bakersfield) I'll need to rely on someone else to get the scores. If John is planning to continue his excellent work on this, perhaps the two of us can work out adequate coverage for all of the CVS events.

And thanks for the background info Kenny! I love the CVS, and it has grown a lot since I started in 2004. I won't be half surprised if in the future there is rebellion within the CVS, with folks saying it's too structured and like regular PDGA events.... :o:D Ahh, the fruits of success! :D

Take care,
Steve

Hey Steve,
Why don't you play Carmichael? Little Africa is a sweet course to play once a year.

Hey Kenny,

We're usually in Tahoe that weekend, or if that isn't happening, my wife expects some other non-disc vacation so close to Valentine's Day... It's really a timing thing.
Cheers,
Steve

Hey???? WHy ??? Are not BOTH of you playing in the Berzerkely Doubles this weekend???

You COULD have been a darn good Team... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

:D

Peace,

Magilla

Thank you for the flattering remark, there.
Personally, I don't play Berkeley because I don't like to wait a half hour to throw every shot.

Fresno scores are posted up at disctribution.com . Mike lee sent me a copy of what looked like snapshots or scans of the original cards. I made a spreadsheet and posted them up a few days ago. Check it out when you get a chance. Also, thanks for the praise. I know some people are a little hesitant to the new technology, but hopefully everyone can see the benefit of having local disc golf content to browse through year round.

Steve, we'll probably have to work together to cover most tournaments, if you don't mind. The only ones I didn't make are Orangevale and Carmichael, in which both are maintained by Final9 I believe. That's a benefit because they usually post information on their site that I can leech off of.

Also, I hope nobody feels like I'm stepping on anyone's toes. My sole intent of starting disCtribution.com was to provide a hub for california disc golfers to share event information, videos, and much more. I thought having CVS information would be a useful benefit to many. I did not intend of taking control of or changing CVS, only taking copies of data from the TD's, modernizing it in spreadsheets, and posting it for everyone to see. My aspiration was to get everyone excited about CVS, and recruit people in to CVS that had previously been uninsterested. This years southern tournament numbers started to reflect a surge in interest, as TD's reported higher entry numbers than ever before. I couldn't help but think that disctribution had a small part in that play. :D

Plans for the 2008/2009 series are ONLINE INSTANT CVS registration, CVS tournament video coverage, online tournament fund raiser discs/shirts/etc sales, CVS player ratings included in scores, and much more.

I took care of the Skullmaster/Carmichael scores last year. I'm going again this year, so I'll see if I can take some snapshots of the scores, but I probably won't have time to enter them at discgolftournaments.com. I'll pass along the info for Steve and John.

Matt

John, is it possible to archive the scores in a way that would allow us to check scores a year or two from now? My biggest concern with the scores is future accessibility.

Hey John,

I think you're doing a great job, and I also think that the disCtribution site definitely has been helping with southern CVS events. :D

I'd be happy to help in any way I can for the next series. Growth is good... ;)

Cheers,
Steve

Looks like excellent weather for the disaster! Can't wait to play the jungle.

The only disaster for me will be not attending.

Look out Little Africa, here we come (except for Rich).

I might try to get out there on Friday for a practice round. Anyone else have the same plan?

Be sure to buy your C.V.S fundraiser t-shirts (I think Gregg is taking some to Skull). They are $20 and the money goes to the payout for the finals in Fresno. They run a little small so be sure to get the right size. They have this
http://shutter06.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/21/003/3F/8F/6B/20/+63I+o7dJzKO-tpu4T7C7MiCucTCsCVi01B2.jpg
printed on the back.

I'll see all you central valley people out there in a couple hours.

Matt,

Please send scores to final9 too... we will post them in store and online..

Jen

I want a full report on Sunday.

I've got the Carmichael cards -- there was no "big board" to take a picture of, so I'll compile a spreadsheet and distribute it tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks Matt! You can email them to L3ASTURD@YAHOO.COM and I'll post them up at disCtribution

I've got the Carmichael cards -- there was no "big board" to take a picture of, so I'll compile a spreadsheet and distribute it tonight or tomorrow.



Here you go - I won't be hosting the file forever, but here it is for now: http://coolbeans.com/skullmaster_disaster_cvs_2008.txt

My apologies - but I don't know who won any of the playoffs.

I won mine!! I think that's the only one that would affect overall standings. Sorry, Smokin' Joe!! :)

Thanks for the scores Matt!
Steve

Also, I just discovered Duane Fuller was missing from the original file I posted. I've added him.

Saw on the Disctribution site that Jason Johnson is also missing - but I don't have a card for him. If anyone can tell me what he shot in the first and second, I can add him to the results.

Is the CVS Finals really the 12th of April? If so, that screws a bunch of northern ams since the Am Motherlode is the 12th-13th. There aren't any tourneys on April 5th. That's where the Finals should be. Can anyone clear this up or shed some light on this?

Kenny
The NorCal website shows that the central valley finals are on Apr 5th

This finals date definitely needs to be cleared up. Fresno has announced the Finals will be on the 12th. I haven't actually heard this from the TD though.

MATT, according to Jason, he shot a 61 and a 62 for his rounds at Carmichael. He doesn't have his card.

I added Jason Johnson to the results. Thanks John.

Is anyone talking to Tim Guild? I assume he's the TD for the finals, so he'd know when the finals are scheduled. I have it written down as April 5 in Fresno.

Cheers,
Steve

I talked to Tim yesterday and he will be in touch with Kenny Lee.

Thanks for clearing that up Mike. :D

I have email Tim, I haven't heard back yet...I have it from a very reliable source that the park is making improvements to the course and won't be done until early April...

It looks like CVS finals will be April 12th. I will reconfirm once I talk with Tim, and change the Norcal site.

It is becoming extremely difficult to schedule events without conflicting with others. The flip side of that is WOW our SPORT is sure growing.

I'll also will check with Michael Travers to see if he might change his date Motherlode Am date...

I really tried to check and double check dates before posting....but again .. you can't foresee Park Improvements


Jennifer Knisley
Nothern CA State PDGA Coordinator

One more detail: Eric Jones says that "James Carswell should be in intermediate. Not sure who won the playoff between him and Mike Brown though. "

James' card says he was signed up for advanced, but he probably moved the day of the tournament. Anyone know about the playoff?

If their playoff wasn't for 1st place they will still have the same points.
What Jen said is correct: park improvements pushed the finals back to the 12th of April.

Windjammer Equinox is still on schedule for March 22.

Yes, as you can see from the results - it would have been a playoff for first place in the Intermediate division.

Anybody know anyone who played intermediate who could shed some light on the results?

Intermediate
Mike Brown 61 62 123
James Carswell 62 61 123
Chay Nance 61 64 125
Mike Tomkin 62 64 126
Denton Warnock 68 66 134
Eric Jones 71 73 144
Tony Freggiaro 71 75 146

My bad. :oHey, how about contacting Skullmaster! :eek: He was the TD!~ :p

Good call - just dropped him an email.

Just found out Mike Brown won the playoff

Thanks Eric - I updated the results:

http://coolbeans.com/skullmaster_disaster_cvs_2008.txt

How did Bakersfield go on Saturday?
Cheers,
Steve

It's next Saturday....a Masters moment!?!

Definitely! :o:D

Any word from Mike about standings since Carmichael? No hurry but a few people have been curious at my site.

Hi John,

Unfortunately I'm not in the loop with Mike Lee on the scores, so I don't know when there will be another update. And thanks so much for posting his first update! With Derek's score at Carmichael, I now know he's in the lead for Open, but I haven't looked at any other divisions.

Unlike past years when only a few guys show up for the finals in Open, this year should have at least 8 qualifiers, and hopefully more! That's cool, and again shows growth in the CVS and the sport as a whole.

Keep up the good work at DisCtribution.

Cheers,
Steve

Yeah, I agree, I think this years Finals will have more people than ever before. Almost everyone in Visalia is attending the minimum tournaments just so everyone will qualify for finals. It should be a good finals!

And thanks, I'll try to keep it up :)

We will have a limited supply of Pro Wraiths and Pro Destroyers with the Equinox logo on them for $15 on a first come, first serve basis. PM me if you are looking for a particular weight, color, or stamp style (ie: gold, rainbow, etc.).

Scores??

should be up at disctribution in a few hours

Thanks for posting the scores John!
Cheers,
Steve

Baskethound/Windjammer: D-Balls wins Adv. !!! Way to go, bro!

There's an updated overall standings at http://www.disctribution.com

Thanks for the updated scores! :D

The 2008 Central Valley Series tournament at beautiful Oak Grove Regional Park in Stockton, California is sold out two weeks in advance.
The waiting list begins "now"!

Central Valley Series winds up this weekend in Stockton, when are the finals 5th or 12th? See you there!!

The finals are the same date as the Am Motherlode.

Hey Mike,

The finals are in Fresno on April 12th.
Cheers,
Steve

With a 50 footer on the last hole, Derek Billings took home the Open. Josh Anthon took 2nd.
Jim Oates wins Masters shooting a day-best -28
I took GM with a -22=(-11x2).
Stacy Pauly wins Open women

For all of the scoring go to: www.disctribution.com (http://www.disctribution.com)
Congrats John Lambert for your web site and your victory yesterday.

Other Windjammer winners: Jason Harrison in Adv., Rory in Adv Masters and Krash for acing #14.

And congrats to Kenny and the Delta Windjammer club for putting on another great CVS event in Stockton! :D The course was in great shape, weather was fantastic, and the three extra holes were fun. :)

That's awesome -- One note about Derek winning on a 50 footer is that he, Josh and Gregg were practicing 50 foot putts at lunchtime.

CVS points standings are updated and can be found at disctribution.com

When I talked to Ernie Valdez and John Lipnisky at St. Patty's they were going to Fresno this weekend for the cvs finals. I told them it was on 12th, but they were sure it's this weekend. If any body can reach them and convince them the correct date is 4/12/08 for cvs finals, I'm sure they'll be grateful. :eek:

Any reason why people get points for Am II in tournaments where they played AM III?

Thanks to Mike Lee for updating the points and to John Lambert for posting them! Mark Farrar and I will be cruising down there. Mark's a lock for the AM GM overall winner (he's undefeated!) and I get to battle with Mel, Shane, and Chuck for 2nd place on down... :o That young gun Derek has first in hand! :DWould have been cool if they'd had more info about him as Rookie of the Year for PDGA in the magazine.

Any ideas on the pots of cash available for the different divisions?

Cheers,
Steve

If you feel like adding the total players that played open and multiply it by $3 you'll have your answer. Some will be subtracted for trophies...but some money was added with the fundraiser t-shirt.

For Masters it's $243

Thanks Rich! I count about 93 Open entrants over the course of the series, so there should be $279 or so in the pot, and I think there are about 8 of us in the finals, so I hope they pay out to three places... :confused:

See you Saturday!
Steve

Hello CVSers,

I just realized I do not know when we need to be at the Fresno course for the finals: players' meeting time and starting time? I'm assuming 0830 and 0900 hr but can someone pass along the official times? :D

Cheers,
Steve

Hello? Any CVS folks with a definitive start time for the Finals tomorrow? Weather looks really nice...>80 F and 5 mph 'winds' for most of the day.

disctribution.com says 8 am check in 9 am tee time

scores?

HI Matt,

I don't know if John is going to post the final scores, but it would be nice. Here's what I recall:

For the day's event Oates wins with something like -14, Billings wins open with -8, Mark Farrar AM Grands, Kenny Lee Pro Grands, and John Lambert AM 2.

For the CVS overalls:
Pro Men = Derek Billings
Pro Masters = Jim Oates (undefeated all season)
Pro Grands = Kenny Lee (also perfect score)

Am 1 = Justin Golliher
AM 2 = John Lambert
Am Grand = Mark Farrar

The trophies were hand made by Becky Zimmerman and look AWESOME! And they went out through fourth place for the overalls. Very classy!

Hot day with afternoon winds, and the course has several holes substantially modified, and all were lengthened. I really like the new holes, especially the mound hole! I can't wait to head down there again and play the course a couple of times in a row. :D

Cheers,
Steve

Ill post scored as soon as I get them from Mike L. Hope everyone had as much fun as I did this year!

Ok, a little late, but Finals scores and Finals Standings are both posted up at http://www.disctribution.com . Check em out guys!