WAY TO GO GG (548'?), I knew there was something special about those Baby Blue E Illusions.

Garrett is only 17 I think thats pretty good distance for a teenager.

548 ... that's purdy good! Congrats to Garrett!

He actually threw 558 (approx 170m), even more impressive)!

Go GG! That is awesome!

558 was the winning throw?!?!? Are you kidding me??? I mean for a 17 year old thats great. I just woulda thought someone would have gotten it 50-75 feet farther than that...

Wind? 558 is a long throw

Yeah there was a lot of wind!!!

558 was the winning throw?!?!? Are you kidding me??? I mean for a 17 year old thats great. I just woulda thought someone would have gotten it 50-75 feet farther than that...



I'm sure if they didnt actually measure and just used message board D it would have been 658' :D:D

It was sprinkling rain and the air was cold at the distance contest, which dragged down the distances quite a bit I'm sure. Avery didn't ever get off a throw on the right line and maxed out at 555'. GG's winning drive was low and glided forever.

it aint the paint its the artist :D

what discs were the others using?

Here are the competitors with their 1st round and 2nd round distances as well as the disc they used:
Garret Gurthie - 558 ft., 510 ft. (Inferno and Illusion)
Linus Astrom - 504 ft., 505 ft. (Mirus)
Rob Braton - 531 ft., 540 ft. (Surge)
Avery Jenkins - 555 ft., 542(?) ft. (Destroyer)
Cory Sharp - 519 ft., 513 ft. (Surge)
Steve Brinster - 504 ft., 510 ft. (Destroyer)
Markus Kallstrom - 501 ft., 507 ft. (Wraith and Destroyer)
Johannes Hogberg - 522 ft., 525 ft. (Destroyer and Mirus)

it aint the paint its the artist :D



Not True, If you were to paint with Tempra paints you would see so manny brush strokes that you would eventualy not like it, and move on. To much work for such poor uncontrolable results. Just like alot of Discs, there is something special about Gateway Discs, Its ok to admit it Rob!

There's something special about GG that's for sure! He never even looks like he is throwing hard. He guns those illusions out there, but everyone still has to wonder how far he could throw another company's discs...

I agree it would have been nice to see the innova and Discraft guys throwing the Illusions.
It's true, it does make you wonder!

Even though the conditions sounded like they were far from ideal, I'm not sure anyone should be bragging about distances almost a football field shorter than the world record. :p

However, it did show that GG was right in there with the elite throwers and he can only get better. Way to go GG!

Even though the conditions sounded like they were far from ideal, I'm not sure anyone should be bragging about distances almost a football field shorter than the world record. :p





Who's bragging?

What were the weather conditions for the WR?

Who's bragging?




Manufacturer cheerleaders, not the throwers. ;)

Who's bragging?

Manufacturer cheerleaders, not the throwers. ;)



And bragging about less than 1% between 1st and 2nd (Innova).

Avery was throwing HYZERS over the pond during the distance showcase while some of the others struggled to get a turnover to clear it. just disgusting to see a hyzer go that far

I am just glad to see that there was some sort of fairness this year. This year they didn't tell GG that he could not throw the stack of gateway and hand him a stack of wraiths. That was sooo lame as crap last year, shame shame and you know who you are. Hows the worlds longest destroyer now?

Even though the conditions sounded like they were far from ideal, I'm not sure anyone should be bragging about distances almost a football field shorter than the world record. :p







What were the weather conditions for the WR?

Chase,
was there more to your post or did you ask what the weather conditions were for the world record?????

And bragging about less than 1% between 1st and 2nd (Innova).



just thought i should point out that David was clearly only bragging on a new disc. not saying that it was better than any other company, just saying that its good. some of you have been making this sound like it was meant to be an innova bashing thread. that's just beyond hypocritical, considering the content of some of your posts. i'm sorry innova didn't win the distance comp like they do nearly everything else. i know it's hard, but eventually you'll move past it. give a guy some credit.

now i'll add to the list of congratulations.
way to go GG! nice tossin' kid!

Most players in the know are aware of the conditions at big D in the desert:

Ive never been there myself but from what Ive heard there are consistent 15-20 mph winds and an extreme amount of thermal updrafts off of the dry lake bed.

I remember back about 30 years ago when people were trying to break the speed of sound on the ground.
They also went to a similar place in California or Nevada, most likely because the conditions there allowed for the car to go faster. There must be a lot less resistance in the air because of the thermals.

Besides distance competitions at higher elevations I'm not aware of any throws over 700' at or near sea level, which would mean the record at Big d was almost 20% more than any recorded throw, at or near sea level.
This makes it seem like a good place for a record with an asterisk to me!




I am curious as to what are the different state records for distance.
I have never seen anyone throw near 700 on flat ground, with regular wind here in Missouri or Illinois.

and here in Florida__________________________
It would be interesting to see the difference between the high altitude and thermals and flat ground thick air. I know I was surprised to see the distances when I have seen GG and his brothers throw stupidly far, seriously scary D.

Another fun thing to do is get a few of your local d men/women and get them to throw side by side at the same time. The amount of energy some of these guys are transfering to the disk is amazing, and shows in the speed of the disk in flight.


And for clarification I was not bashing innova, only certain decisions that occured in the past and dont matter, certainly with out them the sport would be way behind and they still make great discs, I just dont throw any currently.

Who's bragging?




Manufacturer cheerleaders, not the throwers. ;)



Lol... if you are not loving you are hating..... I love Gateway Discs!

The weather during the distance finals was very warm and humid. Not sure of the actual temperature, upper 70's to mid 80's. It was the humidity that was nasty. Around 80%. Figures that the first time in 2 1/2 months that it decided to get humid and rain would be during the event.

The distances that everyone were throwing during the finals were short of what they threw during the big D highlight after the final round. To get to the trees across #5's fairway you're in the 625 to 700 range depending on where your disc ends up. Straight across being the shortest route. The hyzer shots that Avery was throwing were impressive indeed. However Robbie and Jonnas?? <sp> were throwing right at the tree along the edge of the lake. You're looking at 625 range to get to the tree compared to Avery's 525 hyzer bombs at the basket. And they were landing some 40 feet beyond.

Everyone was throwing the same discs for the first couple of rounds. Destroyers. Not sure of the plastic. At first everyone was overpowering them and turning them over too much before figuring out the right release angle. GG and Avery were the only 2 to make the trees with Avery putting one in the road and one across after a skip. After the second round Robbie threw what looked to be a couple of Surges across before someone said something to him. Then back to Innova plastic.

No matter what your preference of plastic you can't argue with Innova wanting the competitors to throw thier plastic during the highlight. Afterall it is they who are putting up the cash and everything else to make this event happen.

Hope this info helps out.

Was Coda throwing in the Big D Highlight?

No matter what your preference of plastic you can't argue with Innova wanting the competitors to throw thier plastic during the highlight. Afterall it is they who are putting up the cash and everything else to make this event happen.




I can't argue with it, but I think it sucks. They should let people throw their own plastic. This sport is too small for a cutthroat attitude among the few brands that exist. The thought of Robbie Bratten being spoken to after throwing a couple of Surges across the lake is absurdly hilarious.

yeah it was pretty weak, but then again i heard form a little bird that someone from discraft told him to throw all the innova platsic in the water.....take that for what its worth.

Well if the greatest company has made the best big d driver supreme, and they stand behind what they have made and done, then why be worried that at the showcase a couple of guys are going to bomb competitors disks further? I think it looks worse on the company to not allow other manufacturers disks to be thrown than to allow them to be thrown and get beat.

Well if the greatest company has made the best big d driver supreme, and they stand behind what they have made and done, then why be worried that at the showcase a couple of guys are going to bomb competitors disks further? I think it looks worse on the company to not allow other manufacturers disks to be thrown than to allow them to be thrown and get beat.




exactly!

yall are a bunch of cry-baby's forreal...if its Innova's event, don't they get to run the show?? I throw all Innova and if I went to a Discraft distance exhibition, I would have no problem with throwing a surge!!

Well if the greatest company has made the best big d driver supreme, and they stand behind what they have made and done, then why be worried that at the showcase a couple of guys are going to bomb competitors disks further? I think it looks worse on the company to not allow other manufacturers disks to be thrown than to allow them to be thrown and get beat.



There are truths in what you said just not how you intended them. Yes they have created the longest driver ever (Valkyrie). Clearly documented what someone did with that disc. The fact remains that he was at the event but did not partake in the distance competition or highlight due to personal reasons. If he had we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Yes it is thier event. As soon as company B or company C figure out a way to raise $100,000 for thier own event, then they too can dictate the way things are done.

And believe me when I say that Innova has no fear of a couple of folks bombing a competitors disc. Why should they? Distance is fun. But as Kenny showed yet once again it only gets you so far. Innova throwing players - 9 USDGC championships, everyone else - 0. Next year no one will remember what any player threw across the lake. What everyone will remember is that HE now has 5 rings.

And no I'm not just an Innova fan. Bag is mixed. And I did try the Illusion this past weekend. Great disc Gateway. Especially the blue ones.

Everyone was throwing the same discs for the first couple of rounds. Destroyers. Not sure of the plastic. At first everyone was overpowering them and turning them over too much before figuring out the right release angle. GG and Avery were the only 2 to make the trees with Avery putting one in the road and one across after a skip. After the second round Robbie threw what looked to be a couple of Surges across before someone said something to him. Then back to Innova plastic.



rumor has it that a Innova/USDGC official threatened to ban a player from future USDGC's if he continued to use Discraft in the distance showcase on saturday

If a player sneaks disc into an event after being told not too I would have no problem with them being told not to return if they didn't stop. good thing some people are smart enough to know when to stop.

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I was surprised to see in the video how downhill the landing area was for the contest.

A lot of these distance contests are way downhill.

Stokely complained regularly that his records were set in Minnesota??? (686 feet) and not the high desert. That guy had a cannon!!!

Well if the greatest company has made the best big d driver supreme, and they stand behind what they have made and done, then why be worried that at the showcase a couple of guys are going to bomb competitors disks further? I think it looks worse on the company to not allow other manufacturers disks to be thrown than to allow them to be thrown and get beat.



That is a good post, I agree.

I was surprised to see in the video how downhill the landing area was for the contest.

A lot of these distance contests are way downhill.

Stokely complained regularly that his records were set in Minnesota??? (686 feet) and not the high desert. That guy had a cannon!!!



The landing area is only downhill for the showcase. The regular competition is on flat ground (the finals were at a soccer complex on a huuggge field.)

If Innova puts up the cash, they can call the shots, but they should expect plenty of deserved controversy if they want only their discs being used. Think about this...big leaguers get to choose the bat they use during the homerun contest, the sponsor doesn't choose it for them. I know that in this case the sponsor doesn't make the bats, but they don't let Louisville Slugger cut a deal with the sponsor and dictate the equipment to be used either.

If they want to have a Destroyer or Wraith distance contest call it a Destroyer or Wraith distance contest, not a distance competition.

Maybe at the Players Cup we'll do a distance competition "grab bag" style, where you reach in a bag filled with assorted drivers from different companies and you throw what you pull...that would be interesting.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot; my shameless plug...if anyone is looking, we have a stack of the Baby Blue E Illusions (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1244) that Double GG won the competiton with.

it wasn't the distance competition that they had to throw pro destroyers in. it was a distance exhibition after the tournament throwing across the lake. there was no money for the throwers. all the discs that made it across the water were supposed to be auctioned to raise money for (i think)EDGE.

: ) :

yeah it was pretty weak, but then again i heard form a little bird that someone from discraft told him to throw all the innova platsic in the water.....take that for what its worth.



Rooster... i was there (within 5-10') the whole time and heard nothing of the sort... he was trying to throw the discs with power (since it was a distance competition and all) ... they just kept flipping hard and dove into the water. He (and other throwers) were visually disturbed/upset that they looked like jokes @ first trying to throw this disc... It wasnt just throwing innova discs... it was throwing discs in a D contest where they couldn't actually throw hard for D.

and there was $$ on the line (albeit a long shot) put up by someone other than innova, for the DGer that hit an ace in one of the 3 baskets on the other side (think it was up to $2500 by the end).


yall are a bunch of cry-baby's forreal...if its Innova's event, don't they get to run the show?? I throw all Innova and if I went to a Discraft distance exhibition, I would have no problem with throwing a surge!!


You say that now but how would Harold or Innova feel if you were a sponsored dg'er?

As far as making the guys throw innova discs... i think Harold was nice in donating the stacks and stacks of discs that got thrown. And they do run a HUGE and amazing event!

That being said... If the tables were turned and Avery was in the distance competition I honestly wonder if he would be 'allowed' to throw discraft or any other discs. Its not a matter of 'being nice to the tourney sponsor' its about being able to be true to your own sponsors.

If there was a Titleist PGA tourney and they had a long drive exhibition do you think Tiger (or Nike) would be ok with him being forced to hit Titleist?

I challenge Innova to let Avery do a piece for DGTV where he genuinely evaluates distance drivers from Discraft, Gateway & Innova side by side. Sounds far fetched I know... but I would've thought it sounded far fetched that Innova wouldn't allow guys to throw other brands of discs in the exhibition until it happened.

If there was a Titleist PGA tourney and they had a long drive exhibition do you think Tiger (or Nike) would be ok with him being forced to hit Titleist?



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Tiger would tell them to stuff it.

well thats one response possibly ;) ... but what I was thinking is that since he would be helping raise $$ for kids that Titleist would never force that upon him since it puts everyone in a bad spot.

Double GG



GGGG? :D

well thats one response possibly ;) ... but what I was thinking is that since he would be helping raise $$ for kids that Titleist would never force that upon him since it puts everyone in a bad spot.



Of course the ting you are missing is that *no one* would tell Tiger Woods crap, because they know he does not have to do crap if he does not want to.

You guys want to know how to stop all this????

All the non Innova pros stop participating.

You guys are missing the point. In the distance competition itself, all competitors were allowed to throw thier disc of choice. In the distance EXHIBITION , Innova donated the case of discs to be used. These discs had a special stamp and were signed by the competitors. The discs that made it across were to be auctioned off with procedes going to EDGE. So quit hating everytime a company tries to do some good for the sport.

As far as sponsored players from other companies skipping the COMPETITION from now on. Won't happen. There's alot of money up for stake in the competiton. Right around $1000. That's more cash than alot events pay overall.

You guys are missing the point. In the distance competition itself, all competitors were allowed to throw thier disc of choice. In the distance EXHIBITION , Innova donated the case of discs to be used. These discs had a special stamp and were signed by the competitors. The discs that made it across were to be auctioned off with procedes going to EDGE. So quit hating everytime a company tries to do some good for the sport.




Oh... well that's different...

Never mind. :D

You guys are missing the point. In the distance competition itself, all competitors were allowed to throw thier disc of choice. In the distance EXHIBITION , Innova donated the case of discs to be used. These discs had a special stamp and were signed by the competitors. The discs that made it across were to be auctioned off with procedes going to EDGE. So quit hating everytime a company tries to do some good for the sport.

As far as sponsored players from other companies skipping the COMPETITION from now on. Won't happen. There's alot of money up for stake in the competiton. Right around $1000. That's more cash than alot events pay overall.



They may not skip the competition in which they can throw the discs of their choosing but they may skip the EXHIBITION since there really is no money in that unless you hit a next to IMPOSSIBLE, over 600 ft downhill ace across the lake!!!

.....with a Buzzz

.....with a Buzzz



:D

Very well played.

Given that Innova is essentially bragging that the destroyer is the best disc out there, I'd think they'd want other discs thrown... you know, for comparison sakes.

This is getting out of hand. Let's just agree that any PDGA approved disc is valid in a distance competition at any PDGA sanctioned event no matter which manufacturer is the sponsor.

This is getting out of hand. Let's just agree that any PDGA approved disc is valid in a distance competition at any PDGA sanctioned event no matter which manufacturer is the sponsor.



AMEN! :) (and should also be applied to any distance 'exhibition' for those hung up on that term as well ;)

I doubt the PDGA would ever require a blanket policy like that since few events or activities other than singles are in the sanctioning agreement.

AMEN! :) (and should also be applied to any distance 'exhibition' for those hung up on that term as well ;)



Why?

: ) :

doesnt matter what disc is used. The point of throwing one disc is that we can see there arm speed and grips. Notice none of the power throwers at the competition are chiming in, cause they could throw a lightning disc that far-- which I believe held the record a couple of disc back. In those unfair desert competitions


same disc- level field, then argue about the details

its not about leveling the playing field... its about one sponsor not wanting another sponsors disc to be thrown.

and its not quite that level of a field since I'm pretty sure the Discraft/Gateway guys had never thrown a Destroyer before.

and the power throwers arent chiming in because they know that wording on the message board gets twisted/skewed and they are smart enough not to get caught up in this.

Besides... if they are power throwers then give them a power disc... not one they are going to flip if they throw with any sort of power.

And a shout out to a local guy... Henry Childres didnt have discs to throw so he grabbed the spectator 162 orc he got that day and threw it across.

Most players in the know are aware of the conditions at big D in the desert:

Ive never been there myself but from what Ive heard there are consistent 15-20 mph winds and an extreme amount of thermal updrafts off of the dry lake bed.

I remember back about 30 years ago when people were trying to break the speed of sound on the ground.
They also went to a similar place in California or Nevada, most likely because the conditions there allowed for the car to go faster. There must be a lot less resistance in the air because of the thermals.

Besides distance competitions at higher elevations I'm not aware of any throws over 700' at or near sea level, which would mean the record at Big d was almost 20% more than any recorded throw, at or near sea level.
This makes it seem like a good place for a record with an asterisk to me!




I am curious as to what are the different state records for distance.
I have never seen anyone throw near 700 on flat ground, with regular wind here in Missouri or Illinois.



I think this is a really important point. We get so caught up in the distance concept that we never really think about what it means.

I think any distance record should require at least two throws, one in one direction, and then a return (to meter out wind aided throws). That would be a start.

Finally, the distance thrown here is far. Gateway Dave is right. I've read a lot about distance but I've not seen one go over 600' outside of those in the desert (I would guess there must be some, maybe even a lot, but in most of these distance competitions, you don't).

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Most players in the know are aware of the conditions at big D in the desert:

Ive never been there myself but from what Ive heard there are consistent 15-20 mph winds and an extreme amount of thermal updrafts off of the dry lake bed.

I remember back about 30 years ago when people were trying to break the speed of sound on the ground.
They also went to a similar place in California or Nevada, most likely because the conditions there allowed for the car to go faster. There must be a lot less resistance in the air because of the thermals.

Besides distance competitions at higher elevations I'm not aware of any throws over 700' at or near sea level, which would mean the record at Big d was almost 20% more than any recorded throw, at or near sea level.
This makes it seem like a good place for a record with an asterisk to me!




I am curious as to what are the different state records for distance.
I have never seen anyone throw near 700 on flat ground, with regular wind here in Missouri or Illinois.



I think this is a really important point. We get so caught up in the distance concept that we never really think about what it means.

I think any distance record should require at least two throws, one in one direction, and then a return (to meter out wind aided throws). That would be a start.

Finally, the distance thrown here is far. Gateway Dave is right. I've read a lot about distance but I've not seen one go over 600' outside of those in the desert (I would guess there must be some, maybe even a lot, but in most of these distance competitions, you don't).

The winner of the 2007 Pro Worlds was Christian Sandstrom in Wisconsin with a Teebird at 652 feet. I think Avery was right at 600 as well. Neither in the desert. :)

Most players in the know are aware of the conditions at big D in the desert:

Ive never been there myself but from what Ive heard there are consistent 15-20 mph winds and an extreme amount of thermal updrafts off of the dry lake bed.

I remember back about 30 years ago when people were trying to break the speed of sound on the ground.
They also went to a similar place in California or Nevada, most likely because the conditions there allowed for the car to go faster. There must be a lot less resistance in the air because of the thermals.

Besides distance competitions at higher elevations I'm not aware of any throws over 700' at or near sea level, which would mean the record at Big d was almost 20% more than any recorded throw, at or near sea level.
This makes it seem like a good place for a record with an asterisk to me!




I am curious as to what are the different state records for distance.
I have never seen anyone throw near 700 on flat ground, with regular wind here in Missouri or Illinois.



I think this is a really important point. We get so caught up in the distance concept that we never really think about what it means.

I think any distance record should require at least two throws, one in one direction, and then a return (to meter out wind aided throws). That would be a start.

Finally, the distance thrown here is far. Gateway Dave is right. I've read a lot about distance but I've not seen one go over 600' outside of those in the desert (I would guess there must be some, maybe even a lot, but in most of these distance competitions, you don't).

The winner of the 2007 Pro Worlds was Christian Sandstrom in Wisconsin with a Teebird at 652 feet. I think Avery was right at 600 as well. Neither in the desert. :)





Yeah but it was real windy too. Heck I threw one 541' and I had never broke 500 before in a competition.

Wind makes a huge difference, as does other weather factors such as humidity. If you have the right wind direction and throw a big sky anhyzer, you can get a disc to fly a long, long way.

Distance records are total BS until we find a way to include wind in the number. Wind alone can turn 500 into 650, or 600 into 450. Its pretty obvious when the same few big arms show up for all of these major competitions and yet the numbers vary wildly. Track and field recognizes wind aided times, and they don't even leave the ground. Here we are using the air to keep our frisbees off the ground and moving forward and we don't even credit wind as one of the determining factors in how far they go.

Sounds like you need to come up with a wind speed/disc speed formula that everyone can use. They use things like this in the aeronautical industry