I recently put two holes in my turnover Roc and now I find myself without a turnover mid range. I heard the the stingray was a good Innova disc and Meteor from Discraft. Has any one thrown both and can compare them for me? I mainly use Rocs for midrange but I am looking at expanding my midrange. One more thing it needs to turn over brand new. But I would also like some advice on one that will take time to break in. I don't want to find myself in this situation again. Thanks in advance for any help

Spike Zeroline, as new stable up to 60-70m for me, after some beating it will make a perfect turnover disc.

you should try a san marino buzz, or a san marion glide. (this is a joke as a buzz and glide kinda fly like a san marino roc which is no longer produced and very expensive} Still these are good turnover discs, the buzz and glide that is, and the comet.

The sting ray is a good turnover midrange, but it is quite a bit faster than a roc in my opinion. The glide is the equivalent from Discraft. The Element is the equivalent from Gateway. If you are looking for an almost exact of a beat up roc, I would say a Pro D Buzzz would be a good choice, ESP Meteor wouldn't be bad either. If you can find one, the ESP Buzzz SS is also a very easy to turnover mid. The Coyote is ok, but not as easy to keep turned over when brand new.

I recently put two holes in my turnover Roc and now I find myself without a turnover mid range. I heard the the stingray was a good Innova disc and Meteor from Discraft. Has any one thrown both and can compare them for me? I mainly use Rocs for midrange but I am looking at expanding my midrange. One more thing it needs to turn over brand new. But I would also like some advice on one that will take time to break in. I don't want to find myself in this situation again. Thanks in advance for any help



I am a huge Roc thrower. I can throw them long off the tee, I use them for approach, even some jump putts sometimes.

When the Innova KITE came out, I knew I had found my answer.

Straight out of the box is is like a perfectly beat in Roc. Once it gets beat in it can hold its anny as long as you can keep it in the air.

Not to mention slow technical anhyzers on tight courses.

It is really amazing.

I recommend it for Advanced and Pro, but really I think a beginner can use it as well.

Another vote for the Kite. It will turnover right out of the box. I love mine for longer anhyzer shots. It has very good glide.

all you need need is an e element. best turnover mid on the market

ESP Comet.
Throw it straight and it goes straight with a ton of glide and no low-speed fade.
Turn it over and it stays turned over and glides without fighting back.
Takes some time to learn, but once you do, you'll be using it ALOT!

Another vote for the Kite. It will turnover right out of the box. I love mine for longer anhyzer shots. It has very good glide.



It has CRAZY GLIDE....

.....shots that I used to throw with a putter or a beat Roc now are tweaked down even further....finesse finesse finesse...

The glide is shocking really...

Get a Stratus if you want something that turns over out of the box.

Champion Panther....nuff said...

I'm liking the star skeeter for an out of the box turnover mid. 200 -270 ft.

especially for low tunnel turnovers with kind of an "air bounce" release.

There is not one mid that is the best...

But I do like Elements and Comets for turns and control.

A D Buzzz may work for you. I've used those and had successful results in the past. What about just buying a new dx Roc or a used one from someone (beat it in to what you want). I mean if its been working for you for a long time, why fix it?

I'm not trying to say anything bad about dx, but it does beat in, and I think that is a good thing.

comet

esp comet

Star Coyote if you cannot get a Hero Roc.

I'm liking the star skeeter for an out of the box turnover mid. 200 -270 ft.

I second the skeeter. I have tried them in every plastic and I only like them in the gummy star plastic. They basically fly just like a beat up putter but you don't have to throw them so hard! Mine is a couple months old and will continue a gentle turnover for longer than 250 feet

I'm going to have to resound my vote for the E Element, that throw just how you like it, give em a whirl. Gateway is the up and coming keep watching them their the Dark Knight!

Breeze for sharp turns, Meteor for long turns.

The 2007 Ace Race disc holds an awesome turn line without fade!

If you still want to throw a Roc, get an Ontario Roc (new run/old run, doesn't matter).

I'm going to have to resound my vote for the E Element, that throw just how you like it, give em a whirl. Gateway is the up and coming keep watching them their the Dark Knight!




I have to agree with the element, but I use an S Element. Perfect turnover right out of the box, and it beats in so beautifully.... I have had the same one in the bag for two years... great disc, especially in the woods on a hyzer flip line.

Champion Panther....nuff said...



What he said.

Champion Panther....nuff said...



Sssh!

Don't let people know about that one....then they'll all be able to anhyzer!

..... With the proper form and snap you can turn anything over. I use a (new)D-wasp for long turnovers with a little left at the end. And a 1st run buzz for anything else.

The Z-Storm is pretty choice for the 'gentle' turn...

ESP Comet

ESP Comet



Not out of the box....no way....its a tease out of the box...

i use the glide it is very predictable and will hold a line for a long time

If you want something that "really" turns over get a Stingray. Millennium has a midrange, can't remember the name, that comes out of your hand and flips into a roll. No disc turns over more. :)

The reality is that it depends on your throwing technique. The first time I threw a Coyote, it flipped on me. If you're using a beat Roc, it is similar to a Coyote. The Buzz is one level under. The Comet is going to be too stable for you as is the Storm.

The Stingray is probably similar to the Buzz. I can give it no higher praise than to point out that Dave Greenwell mentions that too many players can't throw it any more; yet it is one of his favorite discs.

Quest's Rock-it is a great turnover midrange. turnover is more like a breeze than a glide, with maybe a bit more comeback fade at the end. the plastic feels good, and it has the dimple technology on the bottom rim. my mid lineup goes Rock-it, Glide, Meteor, ZBuzzz

I guess it depends how much turn you want. Do you still want the disc to come back or do you want it to hold the line forever? If you want it to hold the line forever then either an S Element or Buzzz will work. As for it to come back then an E Element or Comet, or either the new Ace Race Disc will work.

I'd have to vote for these in this order:

Champ Stingray

Champ Panther

Champ Classic Roc

Chris,
One disc no one has mentioned yet is the Wolf. It has limited distance, but is sure to turn over when thrown hard. I have slower arm speed than most players, so a lot of the discs mentioned so far will not turn over for me, but the Wolf definitely will.

I use a DX cobra and it works great, in fact i just won a CTP on a turnover hole at the DGTV fall open using a DX cobra PARKED IT!! Because its DX its cheap to buy and replace when they start to turn to much.

i use a z breeze for gradual turn and a beat D buzzz for super flip. the beat D buzzz is awesome actually..probably my most thrown buzzz, especially on wooded courses. put crazy hyzer on it and barely snap it, and it flips up straight and just floats.

I'm liking the star skeeter for an out of the box turnover mid. 200 -270 ft.

I second the skeeter. I have tried them in every plastic and I only like them in the gummy star plastic. They basically fly just like a beat up putter but you don't have to throw them so hard! Mine is a couple months old and will continue a gentle turnover for longer than 250 feet



Third the SKEET SKEET SKEETER. Thrown them since they first came out and the DX and Star will hold the anhy right out of the box. DX does get super fliipy when beat so as was mentioned in the earlier post, I prefer the Star plastic. :cool:

I use a super-beat DX Gremlin for turnovers that never fade back. Hyzer release w/ gentle snap --> flip up --> gently float right (RHBH) until landing (unless slightly deflected by the chains :cool:).

I vote Z Glide and Meteor..

Nothing compares to a beat roc for a turnover midrange, of course (with all due respect to buzzes)...sometimes, though, you just lose all your beat-in ones and can't get another fast enough. This happened to me the week leading up to Worlds this year...I had three beat-in rocs, lost one, and cracked two of 'em. I think the disc that flies closest to a beat-in roc right out the box is an Element. I'm sure the other innova and discraft discs listed here are good turnover midranges, but for straight-up similarity to a beat-in roc I think the element is the closest, especially in the first part of its flight...i.e., how long it goes straight and then the angle it starts to turn over on. I used it at Worlds, pretended I was throwing my beat-in roc, and it worked fine when I needed it. (Or just haul on your slightly less stable putter...)

Here's the reason why I like the skeeter so much. I throw it for drives about 200 to 300 feet when I want a long arching anhyzer the whole way. The skeeter will not turn abruptly out of the hand and holds a relatively stable line at high speed. As the disc slows down it continues turning at about the same rate as during high speed. This makes it very predictable for me (high speed stable, low speed understable). The only disadvantage is that it is small diameter so if i accidentally get the nose up it will act more like a driver. this is opposed to DX plastic middies that will eventually turn too abruptly during the high speed phase of flight. My friends watch me carve out hanging, swooping anhyzers and always have to comment "SKEET SKEET" or like "be a skeeter!" and are often amazed at the line it will hold, but no one else has bothered to try a skeeter for themselves. guess it'll be my not-so-secret weapon for now

Nothing compares to a beat roc for a turnover midrange, of course (with all due respect to buzzes)...sometimes, though, you just lose all your beat-in ones and can't get another fast enough. This happened to me the week leading up to Worlds this year...I had three beat-in rocs, lost one, and cracked two of 'em. I think the disc that flies closest to a beat-in roc right out the box is an Element. I'm sure the other innova and discraft discs listed here are good turnover midranges, but for straight-up similarity to a beat-in roc I think the element is the closest, especially in the first part of its flight...i.e., how long it goes straight and then the angle it starts to turn over on. I used it at Worlds, pretended I was throwing my beat-in roc, and it worked fine when I needed it. (Or just haul on your slightly less stable putter...)



I totally agree ... and will only ad, that the S plastic element will turn over easier when new. Takes a little while to get an E element broken in to flip nice (although in my experience, every element I have is different, lol).

Here's the reason why I like the skeeter so much. I throw it for drives about 200 to 300 feet when I want a long arching anhyzer the whole way. The skeeter will not turn abruptly out of the hand and holds a relatively stable line at high speed. As the disc slows down it continues turning at about the same rate as during high speed. This makes it very predictable for me (high speed stable, low speed understable). The only disadvantage is that it is small diameter so if i accidentally get the nose up it will act more like a driver. this is opposed to DX plastic middies that will eventually turn too abruptly during the high speed phase of flight. My friends watch me carve out hanging, swooping anhyzers and always have to comment "SKEET SKEET" or like "be a skeeter!" and are often amazed at the line it will hold, but no one else has bothered to try a skeeter for themselves. guess it'll be my not-so-secret weapon for now



I personally like "SKEET-R-DONE!"

ESP Comets............Z Comets...........X Comets...........Actually any kind of Comet you wish to throw is an AMAZING out of the box turnover mid!!!

Here's the reason why I like the skeeter so much. I throw it for drives about 200 to 300 feet when I want a long arching anhyzer the whole way. The skeeter will not turn abruptly out of the hand and holds a relatively stable line at high speed. As the disc slows down it continues turning at about the same rate as during high speed. This makes it very predictable for me (high speed stable, low speed understable). The only disadvantage is that it is small diameter so if i accidentally get the nose up it will act more like a driver. this is opposed to DX plastic middies that will eventually turn too abruptly during the high speed phase of flight. My friends watch me carve out hanging, swooping anhyzers and always have to comment "SKEET SKEET" or like "be a skeeter!" and are often amazed at the line it will hold, but no one else has bothered to try a skeeter for themselves. guess it'll be my not-so-secret weapon for now



I personally like "SKEET-R-DONE!"



I will also use the skeeter for a kind of "hover drop shot".
About 150-200ft. out, if I'm going over 30-40 ft. trees I'll just put a little anny up over the trees topps and let it "hover" and drop on target.

I'm a big fan of the Star Coyote and the GT Buzzz for turnovers. I really don't like Rocs (blasphameous, I know), but from what I've seen the DX Shark in a medium weight (168-170) flies fairly similar.

I'm a big fan of the Star Coyote and the GT Buzzz for turnovers. I really don't like Rocs (blasphameous, I know), but from what I've seen the DX Shark in a medium weight (168-170) flies fairly similar.



You're not the only one who doesnt like Roc's. I've thrown every mold and find it to be overrated. The only ones I like are the 04 Glow Rocs.

I'm a big fan of the Star Coyote and the GT Buzzz for turnovers. I really don't like Rocs (blasphameous, I know), but from what I've seen the DX Shark in a medium weight (168-170) flies fairly similar.



You're not the only one who doesnt like Roc's. I've thrown every mold and find it to be overrated. The only ones I like are the 04 Glow Rocs.


My disc that I put wholes in was a 04 glow roc really beat up thank you all for the information and I will try my buzz I bought 6 months ago I only used one round and didn't really like the lip but I'll give another shot and the wolf I don't really like the top of that but it does turn easy.

Here's another vote for the ESP Meteor. Nice gentle turn out of the box. The thing I had to learn with this disc is that it does not need full power to go full distance, as it has very good glide. Throw it 70-80% and watch it gently turn over and sail.

Also, a somewhat broken in X Buzzz or Ching Roc work just as well.

I will also use the skeeter for a kind of "hover drop shot".
About 150-200ft. out, if I'm going over 30-40 ft. trees I'll just put a little anny up over the trees topps and let it "hover" and drop on target.

good call. yeah, the skeeter will hold an anhyzer even if i throw it a little too high, it will tend to level out and float downward pretty vertically