Lies...facts...opinions...what do they matter anyway



A true attitude of a NO voter. :eek:


Hey I'm big enough to make a deal with you. Look at these guy's sample ballot http://notulsarivertax.com/index_files/Ritze.htm
on tuesday if the actual ballot states that the money generated by the additional tax will go toward the river development ONLY then I will vote YES...if you will vote NO in the event that it states anything resembling their sample ballot. Sounds like a fair deal to me...after all, the additional tax is supposed to be for the river development. DEAL???????? ;)

:D

I feel sorry for the cigar.

OK; since you are set on this fine but other than the possible relocation of some holes, or the entire course, at 41st and River Side Drive,
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WIHT DISC GOLF? :confused:

CAN WE RESTORE THIS BOARD TO EVENT ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SMACK TALK PLEASE? :(


IT IS APEARENT THAT NEITHER SIDE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO THE OTHER NO MATER WHAT ARGUMENTS ARE USED. :p



No offense Martin...but if you don't like the discussion taking place...don't read this thread. The vote is 3 days away and you want us to stop discussing it??? :confused:

Just because people can't agree doesn't mean that the vote is not important. Clearly there are some undecided voters lurking on this thread that see value in the discussion.

that is what makes the USA so great, we can disc cuss :D.. Any one see the article from the fish and wildlife guy on PAGE 8. it states they are for some developement, but the paper(tulsahaworld), made some mistakes on the questions and answers about the affects on wildlife aka lease tern ...and we havent completed these studies, even though the yes people spin it other wise......let the voices be heard, go VOTE. :cool:

Don't expect those dis-gruntled Park employee's to support you.

VOTE YES!!!.....

....because someday you may be living in a van down by the river!!! :)

Well....whether you decide <font color="red"> YES </font> or no on the river proposal, DON'T FORGET to VOTE TUESDAY, OCT 9TH (or today if unable tomorrow)!!!!
I voted <font color="red"> YES </font> today!

ok so lets have a vote
the board has so many arguments on this now i need to know

Slack moving on up posting polls now! SWEET!

I read that Randi Miller and the Mayor has been going from door to door to promote the yes vote. What would you guys do if they showed up on your door? Just curious. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Skin to Win!!! :o

I read that Randi Miller and the Mayor has been going from door to door to promote the yes vote. What would you guys do if they showed up on your door? Just curious. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


I'd do the same thing that Furdog would do...hump her leg :o:D

Hey buddy. I've got standards. :mad:

You salute the rank, not the person.

Just because I'm for the issue doesn't mean I stand behind the Mayor and her new glass house. :p

OMG!!!!!!! If she has a glass house please tell me she always wears a robe...no skin...too young to go blind :(

i'm suprised that forest didn't say it, but it's river vote eve... :D

I'm surprised that forest didn't say it, but it's river vote eve... :D


OK gang remember to vote tomorrow.
IF YOU DO NOT VOTE YOU CANNOT GRIPE!!!! :D

go vote, just dont be fooled by the fools.

I have already been fooled by you once. Why should I let it happen again? :confused:

Maybe if the "NO" vote prevails you will be able to get a real job filling pot holes. :)

serious question here..
"OKLAHOMA, AND/OR TO BE APPLIED OR PLEDGED TOWARD THE PAYMENT OF PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON ANY INDEBTEDNESS, INCLUDING REFUNDING INDEBTEDNESS, INCURRED BY OR ON BEHALF OF TULSA COUNTY FOR SUCH PURPOSE"

could someone put this in layman's terms for me?

you are not supposed to understand it, they want to confuzzzzz U

I can Thong. It looks like Dan Bougher wrote it.

I think Opie the legal assistant should be able to interpret the rest for you. :cool:

If you're confused though, just vote yes. Help Regier by setting him up with some lakeside property by the 11th street bridge. :cool:...I heard he is offering free beer. :)

instead of a prarie dog, I think you more resemble a lemming! now where is that cliff?

Hey buddy. A cliff might foreplay for you and your old lady but we Al-PACK-A's require dinner and a movie first. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hey I'm big enough to make a deal with you. Look at these guy's sample ballot http://notulsarivertax.com/index_files/Ritze.htm
on tuesday if the actual ballot states that the money generated by the additional tax will go toward the river development ONLY then I will vote YES...if you will vote NO in the event that it states anything resembling their sample ballot. Sounds like a fair deal to me...after all, the additional tax is supposed to be for the river development. DEAL???????? ;)


Well Well Well, it seems that the sample ballot was correct. Sorry Jake...had to vote <font color="red">NO </font> :eek:

Easy there beavis...We already discussed that the Ritze page was some's opinion and not fact...just like everything else on your precious little website.

10% of precints reported and the YESes with the early lead...

Does it really make a difference? Yes or no! No it doesnt. People dont realize that the world is going to burn up or a global nuclear war is going to scortch what the sun or mankind doesnt. :eek: :( Our grandchildren will probably be the last generation to exist. :( My point is, that since the world is "DOOMED' :eek:, we might as well play more disc golf tournaments and other flying disc sports. :D You cant save what wont be here. :( As the Grass Roots so rightly put it, "Lets live for today and the 2007 Oklahoma Open" I added the OO. REST YOU EYES IN SHADES OF GREEN :DDoc :D

i just read online that its looking like a NO

bummer

And...the NO's have it. Lets see them roads get fixed. :confused:

And...the NO's have it. Lets see them roads get fixed. :confused:


True, the NO"s have it...but no one can deny the fact that it was a very close race which indicates a lot of support for a river development concept. I have no doubt that it will eventually happen.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::cool::) :o:D:D:D:D:D:D:p

The voters in north Tulsa defeated this proposal. Jack Henderson Incorporated. Our own Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton rolled into one. All he needs is to get his reverend status and he will be set.

I am sure dollars will begin to flow up north beginning today..

Not sure what they want or need, doubt we get any proposals, but it's a new day in Tulsa folks...

And not a good day...

:D

Feel free to send him a personal thank you.
:D
Here is his email.

dist1@tulsacouncil.org

The voters in north Tulsa defeated this proposal. Jack Henderson Incorporated. Our own Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton rolled into one. All he needs is to get his reverend status and he will be set.

I am sure dollars will begin to flow up north beginning today..

Not sure what they want or need, doubt we get any proposals, but it's a new day in Tulsa folks...

And not a good day...


Well against my better judgement I was going to vote yes; if the sample ballot had been a lie, regarding the second paragraph that allowed the county to spend the money anywhere they deemed needed should the river plan stall or run afoul of the environmental impact study.
BUT
The sample ballot was accurate and that clause was attached to the measure. Since I do not see a need to vote the county a larger licence to steal (after all we have seen the county commissioner scandals in Oklahoma in the past) I did vote NO.
It gave and gives me no pleasure at all and if they come back with a plan that is fully developed, spelled out, itemized and locked down with no wiggle clauses and or escape hatches I will strongly consider a yes vote.
I agree that the river could become an asset to this town provided that men and women of vision apply their focus and plan and then nail down exactly what, when, where, and how much then write the tax measure to those specifications.
Even our street bond issues that we vote for spell out what streets and what will be done. We should expect nothing less for any measure that we vote on.
The County Commissioners knew better than what they gave us this time because the "Four to Fix the County" tax did spell out every item that was to be taken care of and they are being held to that, it was not so with the river tax proposal.
You and I do not buy vapor ware for our computers and game systems so Why should we should do so with our tax measures?

Thank you all for the insightful and heated debate that has been brought about by this issue. Please for the sake of Tulsa and river development organize and itemize YOUR plans and get them to the movers and shakers and lets get a REAL and SOLID proposal with REAL and CONCRETE projects organized and put before the voters, maybe next year in time for the presidential election ballot.

Wow!...What a surprise. I wonder why I ever got compassionate about this issue in the first place. I�m normally non political and I had my doubts that this would pass based on my past experiences of living in Tulsa all my life. I remember in the old days when ever a vote like liquor by the drink, the lottery, or horse racing would fail I could always blame it on the Baptists. Then I remember all the teachers and their big march on the state capital for more money. Now that the lotto has passed they�re still complaining about not getting enough love.

The last couple of weeks I�ve heard the following reasons to vote no.

John Green�s conspiracy theory about all the illegal aliens that were going to come in and steal all the work on this project from true Americans. Hey buddy. It�s going happen anyway. If you were sitting on the other side of the border you would probably do the same thing.

My 77 year old mother who looked at the whole thing like an episode of Survivor and thought by voting no she was voting someone off the island. :confused:

�What about roads, police, and other needs?�

Some people complaining about needs of a city that they may not even live in. Yeah they may work there but in the evening they go home to their peaceful little neighborhood in a town that is a travel destination for nobody unless there is an overpriced aquarium or Bass Pro Shop. Which by the way, thank you for those that voted for Vision 2025. 61st street is now four lanes all the way from Garnett to the Bass doorstep. I�ve never been there but the value of my house increased considerably. Tulsa really blew it there. At one time I heard that Sapulpa was in the running but obviously Zooc planted enough of his conspiracy seeds there to make sure that nothing good ever comes to the Saps.

Chances are a vote to improve Tulsa roads would have only been decided on by Tulsa voters only. I say, make the roads into Tulsa from Owasso, Bixby, BA, Sapulpa, &amp; Sand Springs toll roads and make the people sucking their existence off of Tulsa pay for their contributions to the failing roads. As far as the north side goes I say tax the bullets and the people using them. The good thing about life is once you�ve given up, there is always a life of crime and a willing population to support you in jail if you happen to get caught.


I think Doc is right.

It�s all doom and gloom.

There is not enough "dino" juice in the ground to last forever. Those of you popping out kids and complaining about the price of gas need to get over it. Imagine the price if every country in the world was like us. :confused:

Live for today and screw tomorrow. :p

Let�s not let anything get in the way or affect the price of our �all you can eat� food buffets. The fatter we get the more Twoputt can charge us for health care insurance. :)

Interim river use suggestion:
install an access toll gate and turn the dunes into a 4 wheel and dirt bike track! :D
Bank the toll money for the River Parks Authority for grass mowing, tree management, and path maintenance. ;)

I agree. And now that the north side is celebrating their victory of nothing, I say we reward them and channel some of that stinky river water into those empty swimming pools. :)...

I agree. And now that the north side is celebrating their victory of nothing, I say we reward them and channel some of that stinky river water into those empty swimming pools. :)...


Good idea, I had not thought of that, but it would lower the river a little more and create more area for dune buggies and dirt bikes to play in and reduce the city's water bill in filling the pools at the same time! :D

Maybe while we're at it we can throw some carp and bonefish into those swimming pools also since they lost Albersons. :cool:

Whatch you talkin bout Willis?


http://www.sitcomsonline.com/coleman85.jpg

You have a problem with River Sushi? :confused:

Do you?

You talk loud for some one that doesn't even live in Tulsa. Don't you live in one of the burbs you're so quick to trash? Broken Arrow, I believe, isn't it? :o:D

You have a problem with River Sushi? :confused:


Don't forget the catfish man, them is good eating :D

I think by the dogs post we all know he lives in his own crap /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif and just blurts out to make you think he has a degree from purina high :D

just a reminder---- NO has the votes... beeeeeeeaaaaccchh

Maybe you should educate me on how to get rich selling AmWay? :)

just a reminder---- NO has the votes... beeeeeeeaaaaccchh



I'm kind of glad it's a NO...maybe that beeech kathy taylor will fix our roads now.

You talk loud for some one that doesn't even live in Tulsa. Don't you live in one of the burbs you're so quick to trash? Broken Arrow, I believe, isn't it? :o:D



AND IF YOU WANT I CAN TALK LOUDER!!!!

I live about 61st and Garnet. That is about as far northwest BA as you can get. Union school district with high property taxes to support a high school football that more often than not blows the big game against Jenks. Sales tax is higher in BA and I guess if I lived farther east I would be able to benefit from all the goodies that BA has to offer. I drive down Pearl Harbor expressway everyday to my job at Apache and Harvard packing a weapon in case I just happen to be wearing the wrong gang colors. I eat at all the best BBQ places and dump dead appliances on the side of the road when nobody is looking. I am responsible for teaching thousands on how to properly park their cars in their yards. :cool:

They are right. The roads over on the north side suck but due to all the shooting�s and drive by�s going on the traffic is no-where near what it is in Owasso or BA. You can run red lights left and right over here and never get caught. The only thing is if you have a flat tire over here you keep on driving on it until you�ve gotten back over Admiral.

I don�t have any more of a problem trashing BA then I do trashing Owasso except the only way to get Owasso behind anything is if you tack on some sweetheart incentive deal with American Airlines. :o

from the tulsa world...


The "No River Tax" campaign raised about $10,000 but did not create a political action committee until recently and did not advertise on radio or television.

Its public faces included Tulsa City Councilors Jack Henderson, Roscoe Turner and John Eagleton, an area mayor or two, and several state lawmakers.

The "Our River Yes" campaign -- with more than $1 million in its coffers -- hired several public relations firms, including one from Washington, D.C., to help get out its message.


i guess in this case money didn't buy enough votes. henderson and turner were very vocal, but the blame doesn't fall on north tulsa alone...
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/new%20folder/071010_A1_hCoun58228_1010precinct.jpg

what has that got to do with river tax and you and your yes crooks losing the vote :Dpeople like you who live in outlying areas and for the river are usually snobs, however, you are the type to tuck your tail and lick your :eek: :p

I've heard about your get rich schemes buddy so when you come on here with your conspiracy theories I have a hard time putting any belief or faith in what you have to say. :p

I would think that a Forestry tech supervisor would have looked for a higher position in a place like Yellowstone but I guess even Yogy and Boo-boo have their standards. ;)

I've heard about your get rich schemes buddy so when you come on here with your conspiracy theories I have a hard time putting any belief or faith in what you have to say. :p

I would think that a Forestry tech supervisor would have looked for a higher position in a place like Yellowstone but I guess even Yogi and Boo-boo have their standards. ;)


<font color="red">Hey dog, maybe there was a shortage of picnic baskets. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I am a lover not a fighter I will not wrestle yogi or even boo boo for picnic dinners. :D </font>

you're all sissys :D

come on

I'm over it, the tax that is.... what about ilegal immigrants :DJGreen asked me to post, but I have limited time and knowledge on getting an email on the disc board.. and it was to long to type. so fridog go getim boy, twopput that is., ;)

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I've heard about your get rich schemes buddy so when you come on here with your conspiracy theories I have a hard time putting any belief or faith in what you have to say. :p

I would think that a Forestry tech supervisor would have looked for a higher position in a place like Yellowstone but I guess even Yogy and Boo-boo have their standards. ;) [/quotealthough,, I must reply.. most idiots dont realize that it is free enterprise and small biz that drives the economy, raising taxes has not worked in any city, look at who prospers, not towns with higher and higher taxes, those who create small biz(aka, your ref to MLM) and less govt. are the winners. let the people do the growth , not the govt, I know furdog youwant them to hand you free biscuts, but ask John how hard he works, pretty darn hard, with no govt. help.... and I know I work here, life is funny :o]

First of all....Wayne, I didn't do it. Zooc did. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Second <font color="red">.....Zooc....Why can't you color your posts so people can tell where my BS stops and yours begins? </font> :confused:...Didn't they teach you anything in woodchuck school? ;)

Third.....John Green told me a lot about you buddy and I know he is currently working 7 days a week. I can't always tell from the emails he sends if it's because the illegals are stealing his work or if he is just that high in demand. If he doesn't renew before the end of the year I will pay for his renewal so he can get on here and post himself. I know he's reading this stuff and wants to post. I know he has a lot to say about everything including the TDSA and I miss Brother Love even if I don't agree with him on everything. Hopefully he will tone his comments so the moderators don't kick him out the first day. :D

Take your comments to me over the the Life According to Furdog thread. You're screwing up Wayne's moderation and ability to kick this River thread to the second page. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I miss Brother Love


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:D

Trouble maker..... :mad:

This is why you guys should elect me to be the Tulsa Board Monitor. :cool:

Wayne, I think it will go away if you leave it be. Right now Zooc and Twoput are having a hard time resisting the urge to walk on your freshly mopped floor. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Zooc and I have decided to settle this with a game of "Rock-em Sock'em Robots". As soon as he grows a "block"...it's on. :D

:D:D

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:D

It must be happy hour!!!! :D:cool::) :cool::D

At least on this side it is. :D

I will be heading to happy hour in an hour!

Woops. :o:D

Today is my stepdaughter's 18th birthday! :)
Happy birthday Samantha!! :D

Happy birthday Samantha. Are you going to let Dog and Zooc fight for who gets to blow out the cnadles? :D

what's a cnadles?

Its another reason to no let this thread die. :D

thats too frickin funny /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

No more censorship!

If a thread is not dead...then don't kill it!

Its BAaaaaaacck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

:o

Dick Dasterdly strikes again!!!! :D

you sure like that word, don't you :confused: :D:o

Sorry but cartoon super hero's, even the bad ones, are worthy of respect. Maybe someday they will come up with a cartoon about a parks department guy like you. Twenty five minutes of doing nothing with five minutes of squirrel saving at the end just to keep people coming back next week. :)

Here ya go. :D

Ranger Zooc

http://www.campjellystone-portage.com/ranger11c.gif

Too bad that guy never had his own show. After the series got canceled I heard he formed a pyramid scheme involving all the pic-a-nic baskets he was supposably saving and ending up being chased out of Jellystone. :( :D

Here ya go. :D

Ranger Zooc

http://www.campjellystone-portage.com/ranger11c.gif

<font color="orange"> </font> I like that twoputt. I just dont have that cool hat :D.

Wayne, the other post ahead of this are dreadful

Ding Ding Ding! :D

DONG :D

... dung ...

Lets go back and discuss the safety of the Riverside DGC...

WF never answered my question.







And when are we going to get our roads fixed???

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gifdoink :D

I think that the biggest issue with golfers/pedestrians is all the noobs that play out there. They don't have the etiquette that some of us do and that is where most of them play. ... Bingo ...

I see a bunch of drunken idiots out there all the time not giving a care about sharing the park wit other users. That gives all of us a bad name if they are out there throwing into people. ... true that ... reflection from casual-players to "organized-players" is a common misconception ...

Also, I too have hit a biker in the head with a turnover on 17. Surely we can all agree that RDGC is not safe in its current layout. ... quarter-mile visibility ...


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Where do you keep getting this 1/4 mile visibility?

I think that the biggest issue with golfers/pedestrians is all the knuckelheads that play out there. They don't have the etiquette that some of us do and that is where most of them play. ... Bingo ...

I see a bunch of drunken idiots out there all the time not giving a care about sharing the park wit other users. That gives all of us a bad name if they are out there throwing into people. ... true that ... reflection from casual-players to "organized-players" is a common misconception ...

Also, I too have hit a biker in the head with a turnover on 17. Surely we can all agree that RDGC is not safe in its current layout. ... quarter-mile visibility ...


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Where do you keep getting this 1/4 mile visibility?





<font color="red">According to the web one quarter of a statute mile is 1,320 feet. if that is a requirement for visibility on a disc golf course then we had better close down all of our courses because i doubt that any have clear visibility for that distance. we have a lot of holes in town that have less than 200 feet visibility. If the concern is hitting bystanders then we still have lots of holes besides riverside that bring picnic tables and pecan gatherers into play. The overriding issue is intelligent play and courtesy remember the overriding rule for both types of Golf, if in doubt do not take the shot until clear. There are always thoughtless people who will hit into a crowd, throw into a crowd or go hunting and shoot blindly without thought of where the shot will land or who or what it might hit. Our concern as members of a recognized sports body is to not be those other guys. :cool: </font>

:cool:

Ding Ding Ding! :D

dadadadaDINGGGGG :eek:

Did'nt want to dissapoint Wayne :) Hoppy No Tax Thanksgiving :eek: :D

yeah, no power, but the no tax has the power now... beeeacccchh

Yeah....I bet your wife and kids are celebrating the no River Tax every night when they go to bed and scrape the frost off of their pillows. If Jeremiah Johnson can do it, you should have no problem. You should trade your vehicle in for a covered wagon and you'd fit right in with the early pioneers. ;)

Don't worry. I doubt whether any of us will get to vote on the rate hike that PSO is going to ask for to pay for all of this. ;)

I'm all for it. :cool:

PSO should bill everyone less since there was no power being sent anywhere. The less amount of power used the less your bill should be, right? I DOUBT IT!! I heard the out of town power guys are getting paid FAT! I'm sure PSO will bill all of us peons their overtime pay.

OG&amp;E is still billing us in Fort Smith a "recovery fee" for an Ice storm from 6 or 7 years ago :p

OG&amp;E is still billing us in Fort Smith a "recovery fee" for an Ice storm from 6 or 7 years ago :p



****! I can already see my bill going up, there were so many power crews in town the cost had to be HUGE!! A power team from Dexter, MI was responsible for fixing my grid. The only way those guys will drive this far south is if the money was right.

Also, I talked to one of the maintenance guys at a local golf course and he said there are out of town tree trimmers getting all kinds of work right now.

Now would be a great time to have a truck, chainsaw, etc. and some time.

Christmas money to be had for sure!

hey what is this declaration of a national disaster from the feds suposed to do? they say it is to substidize the costs envolved but my guess is it will line a few pockets(federal funds)and then the consumer gets stuck with higer bills for an untold length of time with no real accounting of colections or expenses.

free fall flow river flows on and on it goes
breath under water till the end
yes the river knows