frogponddiver
Sep 13 2007, 02:30 PM
Come out and play at one of NC's top ten rated courses, located in Albemarle, NC (30 miles east of Charlotte). The course was designed by Russell Schwarz of Innova, has been in place for 1 1/2 years and this is the innagural PDGA tournament. The course features tight wooded faiways with elevation changes on many holes.

Slappy's Revenge information is available at http://eteamz.active.com/adga/

Player's packages will be available as will special hot stamped discs.

Come out and join us for this innagural tournament. See if you can master the course, or if it masters you.

Register now!!

[email protected]

tyson99duke
Sep 13 2007, 05:58 PM
I could not get the above link to work. This below link should work.
Slappy's Revenge Website (Albermarle) (http://www.eteamz.active.com/adga/)

frogponddiver
Sep 13 2007, 10:10 PM
OOPS!! Sorry for the confusion. The correct URL has been inserted into the initial post and is also listed here for reference:

http://eteamz.active.com/adga/

wyattcoggin
Sep 14 2007, 02:06 PM
Tyson, this is another russell shwarz course, you know the guy that designed Riedsville. Play Advanced ! this is Andrew's favorite course. He took Bag tag #1 to worlds with him from Fox chase.

wyattcoggin
Sep 14 2007, 02:07 PM
Come out everybody. this is a great course and great bunch of guys running it. this is an INNOVA championship course.

wyattcoggin
Sep 14 2007, 04:38 PM
Steve, what tee's will each division play?

frogponddiver
Sep 14 2007, 04:46 PM
The Open Division will play from the blue tees ( 6,497 feet) and all other divisions will play from the white tees (5,073 feet).

deoldphart
Sep 14 2007, 06:36 PM
Let Wyatt play from the sweet tea's. Gonna beat ya down brother. You got me here on my home course, and I owe you one.

Mini (the wyatt killer) Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 14 2007, 08:42 PM
Let Wyatt play from the sweet tea's. Gonna beat ya down brother. You got me here on my home course, and I owe you one.

Mini (the wyatt killer) Thumber



BigRock, didn't I tell you. Fox chase is like our 2nd home. been playing tournaments thier before the course was ever put in. they had some sweet temp courses. Andrew and played out first tournament at the city lake park.

and worst yet. my putter is still hot.

Wyatt (rock crusher) coggin.

deoldphart
Sep 15 2007, 04:59 AM
Gettin you a new putter, you'll like it :D

Mini Thumber (The Wyatt Smasher)

deoldphart
Sep 17 2007, 05:48 AM
OK Slap Nuts, finished J-Ville, now I'm headed your way. You have a big act to follow. Give me 5 days to recover, then Wyatt, coming for you baby. I owe you one.

Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 18 2007, 10:36 AM
OK Slap Nuts, finished J-Ville, now I'm headed your way. You have a big act to follow. Give me 5 days to recover, then Wyatt, coming for you baby. I owe you one.

Mini Thumber



Can't wait old friend. This course is unreal. get there early. did you download the map or do I need to send you one?

TravisGrindle12
Sep 19 2007, 06:53 AM
How many are pre-regged? I might come out of retirement Sat or Sun but dont want to drive two hours and tourney is Full.

Thanks

cwphish
Sep 19 2007, 07:23 AM
If you change advanced to the pro tees, I'll bring a car full of five. If not, we are going to practice for the CO/USDGC.
How is this course rated in the top ten if it has never had a tournament yet? Can someone post a list of the ranked courses in NC please. I'm wondering if this comes from the Lowe rating scale, which in that case, nevermind.

wyattcoggin
Sep 19 2007, 09:03 AM
How many are pre-regged? I might come out of retirement Sat or Sun but dont want to drive two hours and tourney is Full.

Thanks



TreeFrog is that you? come on out. if it fills I will dnf and give you my spot. Andrew and I would love to see you in action again. you have been missed

mjhofman
Sep 19 2007, 10:13 AM
How is this course rated in the top ten if it has never had a tournament yet? Can someone post a list of the ranked courses in NC please.



2nd

Didn't know we had the courses ranked here in NC.

wyattcoggin
Sep 19 2007, 10:37 AM
[/QUOTE]

TreeFrog is that you? come on out. if it fills I will dnf and give you my spot. Andrew and I would love to see you in action again. you have been missed

[/QUOTE]

PS and carry your bag.

deoldphart
Sep 19 2007, 11:10 AM
I think he is referring to the SSA rating assigned courses on degree of difficulty. Sounds like an MTL question, he should know the answer, or has data on where the ratings of courses is located. MTL, any help in this area?

Mini Thumber

MTL21676
Sep 19 2007, 11:19 AM
Well since there has never been a PDGA tournament on the course, there is no offical SSA for the course yet.\

Even so, SSA only deals with a courses difficulty, not how "good" of a course the course is.

Peoples opinions of what a good and bad course will always be different. Like for me, I don't think Zebulon is all that great of a course, however, many people would say it is one of the top 5 courses in the state. Just difference on opinion.

Lots of people have opinions and I think that comment was just an one persons opinion.

deoldphart
Sep 19 2007, 01:10 PM
Do you know what the SSA is for that course, and maybe another we can compare it too?

Thanks
Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 19 2007, 02:21 PM
Do you know what the SSA is for that course, and maybe another we can compare it too?

Thanks
Mini Thumber



Well it has elements of many courses. The maps - even the aerial map I did can't show the true course. Holes 2,7,8,9,16,17 use an old fire road as fairways. The biggest factor is the elevation changes. Hole #1 is one of the shortest. It�s a down hill turn-over shot drop about 30� with tight trees. Hole #4 335� / 498� somewhat open fairway slopes right to left Elevation drop about 35� tee is on left side. Basket in the middle.

These are just a few things that makes this course stand out. You have to play it to believe and understand

MTL21676
Sep 19 2007, 02:22 PM
I have no clue, I've never played it.

No one should actually know, but I'm sure someone could guess.

tyson99duke
Sep 19 2007, 02:48 PM
If you change advanced to the pro tees, I'll bring a car full of five. If not, we are going to practice for the CO/USDGC.



I agree Advanced Players should get to play the long tees. That is half the reason I wanted to come down there.

At least let us get one round from the longs, please.

MTL21676
Sep 19 2007, 03:04 PM
all advanced players have all the same talents and skills as pros, just lack consistency.

99 out of 100 times, they should play the same layout as the open players.

xterramatt
Sep 19 2007, 03:06 PM
I would agree, Advanced at the long tees. They deserve that.

cwphish
Sep 19 2007, 08:25 PM
If elevation drops and rises are the only factor making this what people feel are a top ten course, then obviously the new Richmond Thrill is number one in the top ten NC courses. Ramcat should be number 2. So can someone post this mysterious top ten list already so we can have something else to discuss, dispute, and ponder why over?


So, how bout them long tees? TD? Scott? Bueller?

cwphish
Sep 19 2007, 08:26 PM
Oh, and please do both rounds from the long tees. One round of each will only fudge the ratings for everyone, unless the pro's play the same.

MTL21676
Sep 19 2007, 08:37 PM
So can someone post this mysterious top ten list already so we can have something else to discuss, dispute, and ponder why over?




There is no offical list. We all have different opinions on what is good and what is great and what is bad.

Apparently, Steve feels that Fox Chase is a top 10 course in NC.

I would asume the only person we could really ask would be Lowe, but most people do not agree with his opinions.

As far as the top 10 courses, I'll list my top 10, in order.

1. Hornests Nest (Charlotte)
2. Renny (Charlotte)
3. The Meadow (greenville)
4. Tar River (Franklinton)
5. Buckhorn (Raleigh)
6. Castle Hayne (WIlmington)
7. Barnet Park (Kinston)
8. Barber Park Greensboro)
9. Glenburnie Park (New Bern)
10. Cedarrock (Burlington)

Courses that I'm sure most people would list in thier top 10 and reasons why they are not in mine...

Zebulon - I feel there are too many boring holes on this course. Many people feel this is a top 3 course in the state, I think it is out of the top 10. I would put it around 12 - 14ish I would say.
Sugaw Creek - a great course, but a little much of the same shot for me to really get into it
Chapel Hill - Would be number 11 on the list, miss the original course a lot.
Mars Hill - heard nothing but great things, but I have never played it.
Festival Park / Forrest Hills - These are temp courses and unless they play a somewhat consistent layout every year like Hampton Park in Charleston, can't put them on the list.
Hickory - Too many holes I don't feel are good holes, but I do like the course. Another one I would list in the 12 - 14 range
Most Homegrown courses - most of them are not the style of golf I perfer. Tar River is considered a Home Grown, but due to its professional design by Carlton Howard and breath taking 17th and 18th holes, it was in the list for sure.
Cedar Hills - my home course, but not enough score seperation for me.

I guess my point in posting this is people are going to immediatly say "Gee why does MTL have this over that? Why does he think this course is so great, but not that course?"

I am just proving my point that we all have different opinions. There really is no way to get a top 10 b/c we will all disagree about certain things.

sima
Sep 19 2007, 09:16 PM
This course is a"DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH" soon everyone will know about it. I played it twict from the long "sweet tees". They have approx: 6x10 concrete pads on all holes blue and white also wood benches on most holes with good old folk that have worked hard. Big elevation course long well groomed holes. In my top 5 N.C. ( Hornets nest being #1). So sign me up for sat. adv. hopefully from the lonnnggggs. Auight den.

Simma

cwphish
Sep 19 2007, 09:24 PM
MTL, I totally agree about Zeb, but really can't see how anyone has Sugaw in the top ten. It is fun, but a lot of us are pizd off that an A-tier is playing four rounds there.


Simma down, Yo!!!!!!!!!!!

wyattcoggin
Sep 20 2007, 09:49 AM
This course is a"DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH" soon everyone will know about it. I played it twict from the long "sweet tees". They have approx: 6x10 concrete pads on all holes blue and white also wood benches on most holes with good old folk that have worked hard. Big elevation course long well groomed holes. In my top 5 N.C. ( Hornets nest being #1). So sign me up for sat. adv. hopefully from the lonnnggggs. Auight den.

Simma




SIMMA! Look forward to see you man.

Thanks for the post. Hard to put thoughts down at times. I know may review was somewhat lacking. Bottom line these guys have been working on this course as long as I have been playing Disc Golf. 2005. Andrew and I played our first tournament on a Temp course to help fund Fox Chase. I�m just try to support some friends who have supported my son from the beginning.

All I can say is come see Fox Chase. Post your comments after you play it. I�m sure most of you will find it changing.

dwiggmd
Sep 20 2007, 10:12 AM
wyatt,

David and I definitely plan on showing. Id have pre-reg'd us both but am too lazy (I'll admit it) to do so without paypal or some equivalent. Dowloading a form printing it out filling it out, and mailing it (with the uncretainties involved in that) make it a less desireable option than showing up and registering if I don't think it will fill in advance. Just my viewpoint for what it's worth for promoters - my thoughts probably represent many others as well.

Dave

wyattcoggin
Sep 20 2007, 10:22 AM
David, good point. Thanks for coming. I know David Jr likes this course. now if I do my normal really bad it won't matter just being able to play with the boy's yourself, BigRock and the local guys is as goood as a win.

But I still plan on crushing BigRock with new driver I got from David Jr.

jefferson
Sep 20 2007, 10:22 AM
interesting that your reasoning behind zebulon being omitted is boring holes but yet you list barber park and cedarrock. i guess open righty hyzers are exciting for some.

1 renny
2 castle
3 hornets
4 buckhorn
5 barnet
6 zeb
7 mars hill
8 tar river
9 cedarrock
10 yadkin

high country dgc (most likely top 10 when finished)
chapel hill
richmond
cc

MTL21676
Sep 20 2007, 10:37 AM
interesting that your reasoning behind zebulon being omitted is boring holes but yet you list barber park and cedarrock. i guess open righty hyzers are exciting for some.




very good point.

The reason that Cedarrock is not boring to me - decent ammount of elevation, multiple layouts, and very very scenic

Barber made the list b/c the open part of the course has lots of elevation and the back is wooded with some really good holes.

tyson99duke
Sep 20 2007, 11:21 AM
1. Hornets Nest
2. Renny
3. Yadkinville (love tha short to long ability)
4. Festival Course (it will be back next year)
5. Castle
6. Buckhorn
7. Zeb (I am not easily bored)
8. Barber (LONG righty & LEFTY Hyzers)
9. Hickory
10. Cedar Rock/ Wellspring
Others...Reidsville (best front 9 in the state), Sugaw (I Like It), Ramcat, Oak Hallow, Kilbourne (deserves a mention).

Need to play all asheville area course, Fontana Dam, Mars Hill, Jacksonville, Greenville Courses, all Homegrown Courses (except Ramcat, hear good things about the Country Courses in Louisburg).

Top 2 least faves:
1. Horizons
2. Kentwood (fore!!!!)

bgwvdave
Sep 20 2007, 11:32 AM
biggest thread drift ever :D

MTL21676
Sep 20 2007, 11:33 AM
Others...Reidsville (best front 9 in the state



Obviously you have not played New Bern - THAT is the best front 9 in NC

wyattcoggin
Sep 20 2007, 11:40 AM
biggest thread drift ever :D



Maybe so but some good comments. I just want to keep this thread active. get some interest in this course and tourament going.

These are good opinions of what make a good Disc Golf course. My Personal favorites.

1. UNC
2. CedarLake (private course in Archdale) Private Home course
3. Fox Chase
4. Cedar Hills
5. Zebulon

Johnson street is public home course play there 5 days a week. Also enjoy O.T. Sloan.

Keep in mind this list is from a not so good player. Just courses I love to play.

Tyson as far as Horizons goes. I still like to play it once a month or so when I just want a nice day in the park with my son.

tyson99duke
Sep 20 2007, 11:43 AM
Others...Reidsville (best front 9 in the state



Obviously you have not played New Bern - THAT is the best front 9 in NC



True, never have played New Bern, forgot to mention Chapel Hill, I likesy.

Look forward to playing Fox Chase.

bgwvdave
Sep 20 2007, 11:48 AM
biggest thread drift ever :D



I just want to keep this thread active. get some interest in this course and tourament going.


it looks like everyone is talking about every other course in N.C. bseides this one. and discussions like these always turn into peeing matches /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

bschweberger
Sep 20 2007, 11:53 AM
pee pee time

bgwvdave
Sep 20 2007, 11:58 AM
i am now voting pee pee time the worst avatar ever second place goes to crazy eye :D
Schwebb have i told you i can not wait for rock hill sun!!!!

wyattcoggin
Sep 20 2007, 12:06 PM
I agree, It would be nice for other that have played Fox Chase to put there opinion out there. Not sure what Innova's policy is. It would be nice if Russell could talk about his design a bit. Russell if your out there I look forward to seeing and talking with you this weekend.

deoldphart
Sep 20 2007, 01:35 PM
My Favorite, Richlands. Where else can you go and see every golfer at the same time, and share in all the OB's You see the true impact of wind and gravity disagreeing with the player. OB marked makes this a special difficult play.I mean really, it tends to get right comical.

Mini Thumber

bschweberger
Sep 20 2007, 02:38 PM
i am now voting pee pee time the worst avatar ever second place goes to crazy eye :D
Schwebb have i told you i can not wait for rock hill sun!!!!

I cant wait either, so much that I am making a trip down early.

frogponddiver
Sep 20 2007, 06:55 PM
David,

Thanks for the input about being able to pay & register electronically. I too hate using paper, but as a new club, we just do not have the funds to pay the fees adn we did not want to pass these along. In the future though, this is definitely the way to go. Look forward to seeing you here.

frogponddiver
Sep 20 2007, 07:45 PM
Simma,

Glad to hear you are coming out. I wanted to address the issue of Advanced players playing from the long tees at Fox Chase:

We have advertised the tournament as being played from the am tees for all but the Open Division. We did this in the interest of time. The course takes some time to play, and we were concerned with the ability of getting the rounds completed if we moved Advanced to the long tees.

I will speak to all of the Advanced players that are there on Saturday and find out what they think about playing from the long tees. It is possible that we can move at least one round to that position if the players present agree to do so. That will be a decision that I have to make on Saturday.

That said: those of you that have not yet played the course should not be disappointed in playing the am tees. The course is still a challenge from there. It is not an easy course by any means. I think that the short tees will challenge the Advanced players. Come out and see for yourself!!

cwphish
Sep 20 2007, 07:56 PM
Steve,
Thanks for considering a change to the long tees. I have played the course a handful of times, and I really don't think that it will impede time for the Advanced players to play the longs. Please also consider having/allowing the advanced field to play both rounds the same as the pro's as it will be better for unified ratings. Thanks sincerely for listening and considering a change. I will be coming regardless now with Chris Howard. Howie will play pro, and most likely I will do the same, unless the Advanced field gets to play longs both rounds. The low entry fee allows for this, and is greatly appreciated. See you Saturday morning!

frogponddiver
Sep 20 2007, 08:10 PM
Not a problem. We want this tournament to be successful and we especially want to get the Charlotte players out here. We come into Charlotte regularly to play and enjoy it. It really isn't a bad drive to get to the course, in fact, it takes less time to get here than to get across town in Charlotte traffic!! Come out and breath some of the country air. It'll do ya some good.

dwiggmd
Sep 20 2007, 09:42 PM
understood Steve, just thought you might like to hear the reason why one of the (lazy) regular guys in the trenches did not preregister. David and I are looking forward to being there in any case - that's for sure.

Dave

deoldphart
Sep 20 2007, 09:51 PM
:oYou guy's are absolutly touching my heart, for world peace, and a name like Slappy's revenge. Makes me wanna go throw a firebird at somethun.Bless your hearts.Frogponddiver, you're off to a good start, cant wait to see ya. Wyatt, I'm still coming for ya boy, bless your heart.Dave, will be good to see ya, should be cooler this time huh. I've been hyderating since Festival Park. Almost there ;)

Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 21 2007, 09:14 AM
:oYou guy's are absolutly touching my heart, for world peace, and a name like Slappy's revenge. Makes me wanna go throw a firebird at somethun.Bless your hearts.Frogponddiver, you're off to a good start, cant wait to see ya. Wyatt, I'm still coming for ya boy, bless your heart.Dave, will be good to see ya, should be cooler this time huh. I've been hyderating since Festival Park. Almost there ;)

Mini Thumber



It won�t work BigRock. Tring to be all nice. I see right through you. I know you have had a long hard week But this is Disc Golf, I�m not going easy on you. Just surrender now and it hurt at all.

deoldphart
Sep 21 2007, 10:17 AM
The Albermal Gazette will read something like this. Mini Thumber embarrasses local disc golfer by beating him on his favorite course by 5 strokes causing Local Golfer to deposit his bag with discs into the Atlantic Ocean, and wear Bloomers under his pink thong. LOL
Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 21 2007, 10:46 AM
The Albermal Gazette will read something like this. Mini Thumber embarrasses local disc golfer by beating him on his favorite course by 5 strokes causing Local Golfer to deposit his bag with discs into the Atlantic Ocean, and wear Bloomers under his pink thong. LOL
Mini Thumber



I can't believe we're talking all this junk over 2nd place. neither one of us are going to Andrew.

deoldphart
Sep 21 2007, 12:58 PM
With only 25 registered, the worst we can finish is 24th, thats why all the smack, for 24th. We should play in the advance Intermediate Master div. Only 1 in Grandmaster? Maybe I could get 2nd there.

Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 21 2007, 03:02 PM
With only 25 registered, the worst we can finish is 24th, thats why all the smack, for 24th. We should play in the advance Intermediate Master div. Only 1 in Grandmaster? Maybe I could get 2nd there.

Mini Thumber



Better yet, I can pay one person to join us in rec. That way 3rd is the worst we can do.

deoldphart
Sep 21 2007, 03:39 PM
Recreationaladvancenoviceintermediatemaster

Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 21 2007, 03:45 PM
I sending that to the PDGA. I love it.

Or is it Can't beat ours kids please help us Division.

David Sr. this has your name on it too.

frogponddiver
Sep 21 2007, 06:01 PM
I sending that to the PDGA. I love it.

Or is it Can't beat ours kids please help us Division.

David Sr. this has your name on it too.



That would be the Master's Division. They cannot get you there.

deoldphart
Sep 21 2007, 06:20 PM
Wyatt, don't know what Frog is talking about. He doesn't understand. We can form a RecreationalAdvanceNoviceIntermediateMasterCantbea tourkids Division I bet Cupcake one time Wash Dishes on a tnmt, after I finished dishes we never bet again. 12 hrs departure to slapnuts

Mini Thumber

wyattcoggin
Sep 21 2007, 06:24 PM
[/QUOTE]

That would be the Master's Division. They cannot get you there.

[/QUOTE]

Steve, the shirts are on the way.Edmound had to wait on me at the house so he showed Andrew how to throw the Flick. BigRock and I really needed Andrew to have one more shot. So Kick Edmound when you see him.

cwphish
Sep 22 2007, 07:50 PM
Pro
1. MJ
2. Tim B.
3. Scott S.
4. Chris Howard
5. Craig Wesnofske
Rory Joyce
Darrin Pressley

dwiggmd
Sep 22 2007, 08:45 PM
Steve and all the Albamarle folks,

I just wanted to say again, thanks for all the efforts and setting us all up to play your fantastic course.


David and David

frogponddiver
Sep 23 2007, 12:33 AM
I want to thank everyone who played in the first Slappy's Revenge Tournament in Albemarle. I know that I enjoyed having everyone out at the course and running my first PDGA tournament as a TD.

I've read the suggestions and appreciate everyone who submitted their comments to me. One that I wish we would have followed up on and I apologize for not doing so, was to have water out on the course. It was quite a bit hotter than in previous days and this would have been a big help to players. We will in the future, I promise you that!!

For the local ADGA members, congratulations to Scott Sproule, who finished third in the Open Division; David Wiggins Jr, who finished seventh in Advanced; John Robinson, who finished second in Intermediate; Andrew Coggin, fourteenth in Intermediate and Wyatt Coggin, seventeenth in Intermediate.

We look forward to having you back for more tournaments here at Fox Chase. Give us a call if you are in the area and are looking for some friendly competition and perhaps we can play a couple rounds.

Again, thanks to everyone. Good luck to those playing in Salisbury tomorrow!! Give em hell Todd!!

deoldphart
Sep 23 2007, 05:00 AM
Steve, and the ADGA members. Good Job and thanks. This is truly a bueat of a course. Put me on the besurehefindsout list next time you have another. I should have played better, not sure why I didn't, however, I placed a tattoo whoopin on Wyatt, . Now I'm one up. Nice pads, alot of work was put into those and they were perfect. Thanks, to me for the course maintenance, I knocked alot of the branches off for ya.
Mini Thumber