ericb45696
Jul 27 2007, 11:08 AM
is there a rule for a player to ba able to take a time out? for example lets say i stepped into some sticker bush and got them lil suckers all over me and need a few minutes to get them off.
Can my group request that I move on and play or is there an official rule that gives a player time for this kind of situation?
Thanks.

rickett
Jul 27 2007, 11:18 AM
Not that this is an official answer but . . .

Playing in a tournament, one of the players in my group got stung by a yellow jacket on his throwing hand. We went ahead and finished the hole to give him a little time to compose himself and waited at the basket for him to finish. It ended up working out well. No time was wasted overall and the guy who got stung ended up doing really well. I even think he aced a hole later that round.

michellewade
Jul 27 2007, 01:59 PM
Back in the 90's, one of our players got a bad case of diarrhea and we waited about 5 minutes for them to get back to the group. The group behind us had no compassion and bitched like hell. I thought that was kind of mean.

Another time, a gal was really hung over and had to puke in the bushes. Again, compassion was the key. I'll be interested to see if there really IS a rule about this. I'm sure there is and I'm sure the rules police will be by soon.....

exczar
Jul 27 2007, 02:23 PM
I'll be interested to see if there really IS a rule about this. I'm sure there is and I'm sure the rules police will be by soon.....



Thank you for not saying "rules n*zis" :D

801.03A(2) states, in part:

the player has taken a reasonable time to arrive at the disc and mark the lie;

If someone is ill or trying to recover from some trauma, I would think that situation could extend what a "reasonable time" would be.

davidsauls
Jul 27 2007, 02:28 PM
Not a rule allowing extra time (as far I can tell).

Sportsmanship, common sense, reasonableness, compassion, and common practice should allow reasonable extra time. I've seen some long bathroom breaks and injury breaks and never heard a complaint.

However, to codify it in the rules would really open a can of worms. How would you word such a rule? How would you define what circumstances warrant a delay, and how long the delay is reasonable? Then you can see a few folks parsing the language and taking advantage of it. So perhaps best if there is no rule allowing extra time, just allowances made by players according to the situation.

Anyway, common practice is to be charitable with the time rule, even when the rule is clear and there are no extenuating circumstances---i.e., searches for lost discs where no one starts the clock for several minutes, and long delays for disc selection once a thrower has reached his lie.

skaZZirf
Jul 27 2007, 02:29 PM
in the last two examples i would be laughing like Crazy, so I woulnt mind...Thats why you never pick up a towel you find off the fairway..LOL

gnduke
Jul 27 2007, 02:59 PM
Time starts once the area is free of distractions.

I think a foot full of catus thorns would be fairly distracting, but I'm not sure it works that way.

I would ask the other players to go ahead while I pulled thorns.

They aren't required to do so, but the TD would have to agree that the thorns weren't a distraction before a delay penalty would stick.

marshief
Jul 27 2007, 05:09 PM
It is within the rules for the away player to allow those closer to proceed before him/her. This is demonstrated when someone is say 30 feet in the shule for a putt and someone else is right next to the basket for a tap in. The player next to the basked may ask the away player if it is ok to proceed to tap in and get out of their way. I often do this if I'm not ready for a shot and someone else is ready or set for a tap in, and just tell them to go ahead and putt out. You could do this anywhere and let the players ahead of you throw to buy yourself some time to remove prickers, puke, get over a bee sting, arrive at their lie in the shule, what have you...

801.02 C. After all the players in the group have teed off, the player farthest from the hole (the away player) throws first. To facilitate flow of play, a player who is not farthest away may play next if the away player consents.

veganray
Jul 27 2007, 05:29 PM
It would seem to me to be an egregious courtesy violation NOT to allow someone reasonable time to remove prickers, puke, get over a bee sting, arrive at their lie in the shule, what have you...

ericb45696
Jul 27 2007, 07:25 PM
ok. good responses,thanks :)

paerley
Jul 30 2007, 12:36 PM
you are always allowed to take time to discuss a rules decision. So long as you're discussing the rule, the players time hasn't started. So discuss how to handle the time situation at hand.

exczar
Jul 30 2007, 01:10 PM
you are always allowed to take time to discuss a rules decision. So long as you're discussing the rule, the players time hasn't started. So discuss how to handle the time situation at hand.



Oooooh, that sound like a "meta-rule":

Take a time out to discuss the rule about how to take a time out.

Better be careful with that one, it looks like it could get caught in the equivalent of an infinite DO loop.

After glancing at the Rules, I could not find any reference to how long a group can discuss a ruling before it must come to a decision (one decision option is that the group cannot come to a decision /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif). It discussed what the options are once a decision is made, but it does not address any time parameters or constraints involved in the decision making process.

In honor of Chuck Kennedy's wit, let me say that, in the case we discussed, the benefit of the doubt would be given to the thrower upper. :D

michellewade
Jul 30 2007, 02:46 PM
It would seem to me to be an egregious courtesy violation NOT to allow someone reasonable time to remove prickers, puke, get over a bee sting, arrive at their lie in the shule, what have you...




I agree!!

Lyle O Ross
Jul 30 2007, 04:31 PM
I agree!!

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It would seem to me to be an egregious courtesy violation NOT to allow someone reasonable time to remove prickers, puke, get over a bee sting, arrive at their lie in the shule, what have you...



Wouldn't one want to know the cause? For example, puking due to the dinner you had at the local greasy spoon is technically not your fault, but puking because you drank half the night would probably necessitate less tolerance, not to mention if you puked in my bag... :D