anyone know when this is going to be released? looks nice.

anyone? anyone? I want to try it real bad!

go to snap discsports (http://snapdiscsports.com/) and contact the info guys...

cheers

I wonder how this disc will compare with the destroyer... Will it be as fast? Will it have more glide? Will it have an incredibly thin flight plate and highly gyroscopic flight properties? Will it be slightly larger in diameter like some of the gateway drivers? How about weight range, plastic type and rim width.

From the pictures I saw it looked like a Champion Starfire (X) with a concave wing underside. It's going to be difficult to out-do the destroyer. Hopefully the plastic will be great

Wow. I emailed snap about a week ago and no response. Ive seen matlock post on the board since this was brought up. I guess its a hush hush situation

.......Pro World's last week.

Yeah I know Whitler was at worlds... I think he pulled off 7th er something in GM's.

I'll get a chance to try one out at BC provincials at the end of August... so I can report on them then... but because Matt and Snap are on the Island, it's hard to get a trial of this disc.

I have held one... but we were on a wooded course, so there was no real room to bomb it. It does have a fairly shallow flight plate (if memory serves me) with a larger wing... looked really sleek and fast (more like a spirit than a starfire)

Really nice plastic too

well, if you have a chance to get some, please do and i'll take them off your hands

Wow. I emailed snap about a week ago and no response. Ive seen matlock post on the board since this was brought up. I guess its a hush hush situation



sonofa... I thought I was on top of all the helios queries. we get a few (!), and with everything going on i guess i let one slip through the cracks. anyway, not so hush-hush, just working out the details, playing with plastic options, ironing out the wrinkles. i know we should be in a rush to release before the end of summer, but we want to ensure we make all the right decisions first. we'll be releasing some video etc. soon thru our site. keep in touch.
-Matt

Thanks matt. what are the flight characteristics? I'm very excited about this disc

any updates out there guys? my panties are starting to get in a bunch for this disc!!!

Maybe the Helios got scared off by the Destroyer hype?

Maybe the Helios got scared off by the Destroyer hype?



well the destroyer didn't get scared off by the devil hawk.

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Can we get a picture, or a video or something....

PLEASE!!!

[sound of crickets chirping...]

We'll find bin Laden before we find this thing in stores.

We'll find bin Laden before we find this thing in stores.


Are you talking about the QKII or the helios?

We'll find bin Laden before we find this thing in stores.


Are you talking about the QKII or the helios?



I think the QKII was a downright lie like the WMD's lol.

PS: No, I'm not trying to start a debate, Just a lil political humor.

I think the QKII was a downright lie like the WMD's lol.


I think they have the same PR and Marketing department.

okay, okay- Helios is not a fabled weapon of mass destruction :D. The story is, we were still prototyping into August and wouldn't have had Helios on US shelves until October. We felt this would greatly effect sales so we've held off on a full release until early next year. In the meantime, a handful exist in BC and we've done some demos with it (Beaver State Fling most notably). We're not trying to string anyone along here. We just want to deliver on a quality disc that will do good for players and Snap. Keep optimistic!

PS. You guys should cut Discwing a break. I know you're all rabid with anticipation of the latest and greatest of anything, but producing a disc is a challenging task to say the least- especially a disc you want to set new standards with. Like the old saying goes, good things come to those who wait. Plus, platience is great for your golf game...

I am very much looking forward to throwing your new driver. I admire a company that is willing to step back and make quality the #1 priority - in the end that is what is most important: a quality disc that will be useful to players.

I think the reason Discwing gets a lot of flack is not that it has taken so long to release new products but instead because of the way their products are advertised. Their string of broken promises is endless...

fair enough.

Helios pre-order available at www.snapdiscsports.com (http://www.snapdiscsports.com)

So when will these be ready to ship?

will provide that info as soon as it's definite.

So what are some reviews from proto tests?

Helios...Now PDGA approved
Certification No. 08-3
Outside diameter: 21.7 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm
Height: 1.6 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 2.3 cm
Flight plate thickness: 0.2 cm
Flight plate to rim plane distance: 1.4 cm
Flexibility rating: 11.79 kg
Rim configuration rating: 28.50
Maximum weight allowed: 180.1 g

So what are some reviews from proto tests?

What are they gonna fly like?

When will the people who pre-ordered them hear something?

I WANT ONE!!!

Outside diameter: 21.7 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm




Does that mean it has a 2.35 cm wing width?

Rim thickness: 2.3 cm



Does that mean it has a 2.35 cm wing width?



Same thing.

Thnx Chuck!

it took you guys long enough, eh!?! :o

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us some info on how these bad guys are testing. I like my whitler as a fool around disc so that makes me super anxious to see a true disc golf bee from Snap.

we're basically on the doorstep of producing the official first run. pre-orders will be sent out before anything else. latest testing has been very inspiring. we were aiming for a ballz-out distance disc, so think staight-stable with a nice flat finish to slight fade. as soon as we get a clear day we're going to produce some video showing distance lines and golf lines.
stay tooned...

Thanks Matt. Here's wishing you luck on the 150 class. :cool::D

How's George?

Will the next disc be the "Mechanic" an ultra consistent mid-range utitilty disc that can fix buses as well?

Hope to be coming up to OR for the Fling.

I think that one's name is "Sandy" isn't it ;).

Sweet!

Well, what's the word on these?

Well, what's the word on these?



Second that question...., what is happening, any release date ready yet? Type of plastic?

Maybe the more you post the quicker they will work!

Not!

It's worth a try

got the pre order email today. i have 2 on the way. yippee!!!!!

I know I did too. Its finally going to be shipping oh how we have patiently waited.

I still have not got my e-mail, I know I was one of the first ones to send one in... :confused:

Its because you are from Oklahoma!!!!!!!!! haha jk im sure you will get one soon because I already have gotten a response from them as well about color and weight.

Well whatever, I just want to try one out...

I have been with Snap since the Whitler, come on where is the repeat customer love?

:confused:

That is kind of surprising that you havent recieved anything yet from them but hopefully you will get one soon but here is the email address that Ive already recieved a response to info@snapdiscsports.ca so hopefully if they dont get a hold of you soon you can contact them this way

Yeah I just forwarded my e-mail from back in January or whatever...

I am sure they will get back...has anyone thrown them yet?

Anyone who pre-ordered Helios, but hasn't been contacted about their order and payment, please e-mail info@snapdiscsports.ca. In some cases notifications were spam filtered. Helios are rolling out this week!

When will the FGR be ready?

FGR?

fire grade resin. its thier champion/z type plastic. the pre orders are the EGR, earth grade resin dx/d type plastic

The ones on ebay a couple of weeks ago didnt look like dx plastic but more like a champion clear plastic

~Pre-Order Snap Earth Grade Helios Here (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1837)

FGR is actually closer to Star/ESP. We are planning to ship a bunch south by mid-May. Currently shooting a commercial with Sean White, producer of SNAP the movie, to be on the site ASAP.

just got in my 2 egr helios. nice plastic. feels like gateway s. i also got one that is marked ''gummy.'' feels like old SE Rhyno plastic.

i got my package soaking wet in a plastic bag with a sorry note. thanks usps!

What's the story with the gummy? how many were made? Is this going to be a continuing trend?

Still haven't seen anyone write HOW THEY ARE FLYING.

i'm about to go find out.

I received my two Helioses (Heli'i, ?) yesterday and will take them out to play today (and hopefully over the weekend).

Glad to hear they're finally starting to arrive at doorsteps. We've run a few at lower durometers which we've coined "Gummy". They tend to be a little more stable, but are real nice in cold, wet weather. We're trying to label any variations rather than just throwing whatever into the mix like the big guys. You'll find some 'U' and 'O' markings denominating slight variances in stability in the Fire Grade as well. We're also producing some 'LP' (low profile) which are deadly wind fighters, skip, and side arm drivers... Bring on the feedback.

Somebody please tell us how these things are flying. I ordered mine from prime discs and they haven't come in yet. They should be here sometime this week, but I am anxious to hear some feedback.

so.... how does it fly?! from the picture the profile doesnt look like a 'normal' disc... anyone have any profile shots? this makes it look like a standard rim that raises up to almost a plateau...

http://www.snapdiscsports.com/images/helios-mainpage.jpg

I am guessing the diameter is wider than standard drivers. Is it wide like a spirit or wide like a roc?

Helios...Now PDGA approved
Certification No. 08-3
Outside diameter: 21.7 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm
Height: 1.6 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 2.3 cm
Flight plate thickness: 0.2 cm
Flight plate to rim plane distance: 1.4 cm
Flexibility rating: 11.79 kg
Rim configuration rating: 28.50
Maximum weight allowed: 180.1 g



Looks like closer to a Roc.

please, please no more posts unless they concern the FLIGHT of this disc--thanks

Okay sorry. Here's a post about how I think the Helios might fly. It will be going fast and straight, then it will fade out when it slows down. It's a freakin' driver. Some discs will run more overstable than others because it has a wide rim that will lend itself to large variability between runs and plastics. It's wide diameter will probably give it some gliding properties at slower speeds. The fire grade plastic will be durable and be the preferred plastic as it will be a consistent "workhorse" flyer after the break-in period. I'll probably like it okay but fall back on my Teebirds and beefy Orcs since I tend to find small diameter discs easier to throw.

please, please no more posts unless they concern the FLIGHT of this disc--thanks



POST NAZI! :D

So it flies like a Champion Starfire, or at least a Star TeeRex? That's the flight I'm picturing based upon your description.

They have some serious high speed turn. For sure a hyzer flip disc. I only had time to throw them a few times.

That would be majorly disappointing if they just turned out to be rollers like the Rogue. To clarify: it is just my expectation that they would fly like a starfire - something fast, dependable and versatile .:shrug:.

There are some flight reviews here: http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/vie...c&start=105 (http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3682&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star t=105)
No one should expect Helios to fly like anything else on the market in terms of distance drivers. Unlike the big boys, our attempt is to build a disc that fills a definite niche...

I have 15 of them coming!! Can't wait to try them Matt.

Josh

I have two blue 157g Helioses that I threw over the weekend a little. I should preface my remarks to say that I throw very light mostly understable drivers (150+160g Sidewinders, 155 Valk, 154 Orc, etc).

The Helios is definitely high-speed understable - I was throwing hyzer-flips the whole time. Very understable into the wind for me. One of the discs smacked a tree at high speed right off the tee and tacoed a bit - that one is now a hyzer-flip roller. Once I figure out the amount of flip it could turn out to be a great low-ceiling roller disc. The non-tacoed disc was at it's best in light wind even better down-wind. Lots and lots of glide down-wind. It flew as far as my longest drives with Sidewinder or Orc (I can't throw Destroyers or Wraiths). I can't tell you distances, as I was playing a course without marked distances.

I'm playing Emerald Isle tonight, with lots of open holes and accurate distances marked. I'll get back to you with some distances.

I'm looking forward to the FGR discs!

I got my Helios last week and was excited to give it a try. I am impressed with how it flew, but unfortunately I won't be putting it in my bag as the plastic is not very durable and at the end of my first drive it skipped up, hit a picnic table and ripped a pretty big dent in it. :( :( I'm can't imagine how much damage would have been done if it hit something directly, without skipping off grass first.

When I had it in my hand I immediately thought of the Illusion from Gateway, and then when I threw it (pretty hard) there was a nice flip up, slight turn, and then it started coming back slowly. I think I could throw a brand new Helios quite a long ways.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2012/2470966047_471e00c7c3_m.jpg

I throw golf shots around 400 and distance (w/ turnaround 450-500). For me, Helios is a downwind driver almost exclusively. I also throw with 3-5 degree hyzer release as well. Compared directly to the Wraith and Destroyer specifically, Helios flies significantly further for me than both on a downwind shot. This was the intended design of Helios, a D-driver for lesser arm speeds or downwind situations. This application was something we couldn't find in the existing models. Kind of surprised to hear of some durability issues. I've been throwing a couple earth grades for a couple weeks and am pretty happy with the wear. How would a DX plastic beat up in the same instance I wonder? Thoughts??

Sounds more like a wide rimmed, faster Valkyrie. I'll have to check one out, but if you could list the flight characteristics please, then that would give a better idea. You know, like speed turn glide and fade.

How do the heavier weights fly? 175-180?

I've had a little more time to throw the Helios, granted my two are 157g. I would agree with Matt - they are best when thrown downwind. Downwind they have a tremendous amount of glide. I'm still working on getting the hyzer and nose angles just right, but it will definitely be my longest disc once I do that (look out, #7 at Emerald Isle!). Right now I'm still getting more slow-speed fade then I would like, but I think this is mostly from throwing it with the nose a bit too high. Glide, glide, glide...

The first one I threw on the golf course got tacoed @ about 30ft after a few throws. It is now a flat-release roller disc. I guess I would say I'm also a bit leery of the EGR plastic in a wooded setting, looking forward to the FGR.

Any chance you will run the Helios in the same plastic as the Whittler? My Whittler is indestructible (I love forehanding it into the ground just to hear the "bonk".). That plastic would be schweet!

Got to test fly it for about 30 mins. today, and I must say I am utterly meh-ed. I was really hoping it would be a stable disc that I could manipulate the flight, but I find it to be flippy like a Beast. The plastic wasnt too great either, and after a few throws it is alread starting to beat in. I'm gonna keep working with it, but as of now I am very disappointed. Maybe when the disc comes out in better plastic it'll fly different, and hopefully my opinion will change.

Whitler plastic is air grade in Helios. We'll probably do them in transluscent, similar to the one on our site. They are nice, and make "that" noise.
How would you compare Earth Grade to modern DX?

Whitler plastic is air grade in Helios. We'll probably do them in transluscent, similar to the one on our site. They are nice, and make "that" noise.
How would you compare Earth Grade to modern DX?



I like the way it grips, but it is a little softer than I would like. After a few solid tree hits (which I have from time to time) one of my Heli-i has become a roller disc. Because of that, I now save the other disc for pretty open boomer shots. I do love the glide, though.

I can't wait to have a Helios in that "bonky" plastic. You'll generate a lot of sales just because of how funky it will sound when it hits a tree!

personally, I dislike that sound

that's an interesting thing to begrudge a disc for...

Bring it on!!! Bonk away!!!

I've been throwing my Helios for about a month now. I have been throwing heavier weight than the ones described on this thread. As a pure distance disc, the Helios has been amazing. I consistently throw them (174 gummy, 171 gummy, and 168) 50 ft further than my Destroyers or Wraiths. This is the first disc I can consistently throw over 400'. It has a lot, and by a lot I mean a TON, of high speed turn, but if thrown flat, it will still finish its full flight and not dive and roll. I keep 1 in my bag for the occasional 450' plus wide open hole. The plastic feels AWESOME! I have not had durability issues with mine.

When you throw the Helios flat, do you give it a higher nose angle? If not, how do you keep it from turning over into a roller? I have had my best success with it throwing a hyzer flip.

that's an interesting thing to begrudge a disc for...

no problem with the disc, just the sounds that i find cringeworthy

It could be that the heavier weight is more stable than the lighter weights. If the nose is up at all it is very slight. These discs just have such a crazy amount of glide that it allows it to finish its flight without diving even with so much high speed turn.

Hey, we've just produced a 150 Class version that is surprisingly stable and is the longest disc I've thrown to date. We will also be shipping Fire Grade (FGR) to the US in a weeks time. They are deadly-durable for those who found the EGR beat in too fast.

If anyone is interested we have a small stock of Fire Grade White 179G/180G Helios Drivers available now!! Fire Grade is Star/Esp like plastic.

These are the 1st run fire grade helios and are blank no stamp on the disc. Bottom has embossed info, disc, pdga approved, company.

$16.95 plus $3 shipping.

Whitler plastic is air grade in Helios. We'll probably do them in transluscent, similar to the one on our site. They are nice, and make "that" noise.
How would you compare Earth Grade to modern DX?



I like the way it grips, but it is a little softer than I would like. After a few solid tree hits (which I have from time to time) one of my Heli-i has become a roller disc. Because of that, I now save the other disc for pretty open boomer shots. I do love the glide, though.

I can't wait to have a Helios in that "bonky" plastic. You'll generate a lot of sales just because of how funky it will sound when it hits a tree!



You guys need to get one of the Lightning high grade discs for a comparison. They bonk when they hit trees also. I'd be curious to know if it's the same?

N E 1 throw a FGR yet?

I'm watching my mailbox for the 150's I ordered at the beginning of the week. Once I get'em I'll post some comments.

Whatcha got for us Riz? Sounds like there may be similarities in flight to the Monarch. Compare if possible. Us gnat weight arms want to know. :D

Haven't shown up yet. If I get them today or tomorrow I'll test them out Tuesday night at Emerald Isle doubles (EI = long, open fairways on ball golf course).

Looking forward to it. Thanks much. Jamie

No delivery yet. :( Is it Canadian Post or USPS that's the holdup?

Anyway, the Whittler was spot-on last night during doubles. Hit one 80-footer for birdie and hit metal three more times on birdie runs from 50-80 feet. Highlight of the round was a 40-ft birdie putt on EI hole #2. I was down on one knee to get an air-bounce line under the tree that protects the left side of the basket (right pin position). My partner had laid up under the basket, so I threw pretty hard. My line was about 6 inches too low, but the Whittler wedged itself into the side of the Discatcher basket!! I LOVE that plastic!!!

Being delivered by the combined efforts of the RCMP and Pony Express? Still no Helios?

I got a couple heavy Helios from the Sun King. I've thrown them in the park quite a bit ... I'm liking the disc. The plastic is SUPER bomber. I crushed quite a few out of the park and into the road ... not a scratch on them. The two I got are pretty heavy, I think I'll try getting a couple that are around 172 to 175g ... I think I'm going to like this disc a lot.

Hey, this is our boy leading Am Worlds!
www.willowsendcottage.com/worlds.html (http://www.willowsendcottage.com/worlds.html)

I got my Helios (166g) yesterday and took it out for field testing today.

I have to say I was shocked at how flippy this thing is. It has to be the most understable driver I've ever thrown. The very first time I threw it the thing turned into an unintended roller. I kept adding more and more hyzer to it but it still flipped viciously over.

I threw it maybe 10-12 times. With a strong tailwind and lots of hyzer it may go along way because it seems pretty fast with decent glide. It probably won't go in the bag because for me it turned awfully quick. I don't know if firegrade plastic or a heavier weight would help in controlling the flip or not.

I only got in a few throws with the 150-class Helios, but one thing I can tell you is that is much more stable than the 157g Earth-Grade discs I have. My knee has been problematic so I haven't been able to throw enough to test the 150-class discs thouroughly, but I will get to it soon and report back.

Thanks Riz. Looking forward to the report. Hope the knee rectifies itself soon. :cool:

I'm throwing a 177 & 178g Fire-Grade. They are not flippy. They will pop up flat and go far that's for sure.

You might want to try a heavier weight if they are flipping uncontrollably.

I only got in a few throws with the 150-class Helios, but one thing I can tell you is that is much more stable than the 157g Earth-Grade discs I have. My knee has been problematic so I haven't been able to throw enough to test the 150-class discs thouroughly, but I will get to it soon and report back.



Hope the knee is better. Any more throws with the Helios? :cool:

For those of you who find the Helios too high-speed understable (this generally applies to throwers who don't have a hyzer release to speak of), we've had lots of success with tuning the new Fire Grades. Especially, hot tuning, which involves submerging the disc in hot water (NOT BOILING) for a few seconds, evenly bending the wing upwards, and then cooling the disc quickly in cold water. Discussions at Disc Golf Review even suggest tuning EGR Helios. I've created a whole spectrum of stabilities for my bag doing so.
Riz, any chance to throw the 150s more yet?

I'll be out on an open field this afternoon...

I went out to a huge soccer field nearby yesterday and threw some distance shots. Here's what I took along:

Helios EGR 157g (2)
Helios 150-class (2)
Ch Sidewinder 150g (2)
Ch Valk 155g
Ch Monarch 152g and 154g
Ch Beast 157g
Ch Orc 154g
Odyssey Ultra Long Range Driver 150g (2)
Ch Wraith 162g
Diablo DT 137g


Keep in mind, I am not a long thrower - my max distance on a flat field tops out around 380-390ft. (I know that because at Emerald Isle there's a 384ft hole on a slight incline that I have consistently been 10-15 feet short on, and thus OB) The Helios discs were consistently among the longer flyers in this group, along with the Sidewinders. To be fair, I throw the Sidewinders all the time so my delivery and release is grovved for them. I still need more time withthe Helios, but I think it has the potential to be a consistently longer flyer. The EGR discs are much more understable than the 150-class. The EGR discs required a hyzer-flip release, flipped up and turned ever so slightly onto a glide line, then faded left at the end. The 150-class discs wanted to be released nearly flat, but also turned right ever so slightly to enable the glide mode. Both discs are quite nose angle sensitive - it is very easy to throw them with too high a line, which causes them to lift up and fade hard right. They are more nose-sensitive than the Sidewinders.

All in all I like the disc but am not ready to put it in my bag until I am confident with the nose angle issue, but I intend to work on that because I love the loooooooong glide. The 150-class discs are very stiff - my preference is gummier plastic, so if that could ever happen (or FGR in high 150s) I would be very pleased.

Thanks for the in depth 150class comments Riz. We appreciate it. :cool:

Boneman what color are your Helios and could you compare them to a max weight wraith for me?