2007 Hickory Disc Golf Classic
B-Tier
Glenn C. Hilton Park
Sept 1-2
$500+ added to PRO purse

All Pro Divisions $60
All Adult Amateur Divisions $40
Junior (Sunday Only) $20

Lunch will be provided each day-Fuddruckers and Gepetto's Pizza

Link to online registration at hickorydiscgolf.com or send check payable to:

Dan Mitchell
6081 Rocky Mt. Rd.
Granite Falls, NC 28630
email:[email protected]

If it wasn't on my anniversary, I'd sign up today! Wait a sec.....having a thought......Maybe I could surprise my wife with a trip to Hickory!!!!! :D

On second thought, I would like to live to play some more tourney's! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

Also part of State and USDGC series
Have fundraiser disc too but will get someone else to put them on here

One of the best tournies of the year on a very fun and challenging course.

Can't wait!

might as well just sign me up for this one

Will have everything up on the site as soon as I can edit it again. Still having computer problems.

Alright everything on the site as been updated, you can click link in my sig. Will have course pictures loaded before the Tourney so any newbies to the course will know what they are in for. Just a little incentive to come there might be a CTP prize consisting of a box of 96 rolls of toilet paper. :eek:

Online Registration is now up.
http://www.hickorydiscgolf.com

what the hel is Make Advanced on the reg. This tourney gets better each year so don't miss out

Yup, yup, great tournament, great course, great guys, blah, blah, blah........ Why do you persist in playing this tournament the first weekend in September? I've told you repeatedly that the thousands of us disc golfers that also choose to murder songbirds will be otherwise occupied that weekend slaying doves. At least hundreds of us will be. Okay, okay I know of a minimum of three of us.... for sure. ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

You can kill birds all year long, there's only ONE Hickraw Classic.

Yup, yup, just like a mirror. That's also exactly what you say every year. :o Looky here, do y'all ever have many folks show up for this little shootin match? Or can we just show up mornin of......? :D

BumpS


Thanks Kenneth Martin

I think I will be making a return to this event, after missing it last year. I really had fun the year before, but scheduling differences kept me away. but I will be making a great effoert to attend.. look foward to thoes great catching greens, and thoes flat landing surfaces with great interest..lol. I hope we muster up some salty vets, like J bird, The Tic "TAC", and Tim Barr. along with some of N.C's finest. hopefully WVO don't take away from the event.. I hope I see you all there..


Cleetus.

only 1 lol? you're slipping... :D

No Southern Nats pts so it looks like Hickraw for me. Was Crooked Creek last year a qualifier

only 1 lol? you're slipping... :D



haha now that was funny

No Southern Nats pts so it looks like Hickraw for me. Was Crooked Creek last year a qualifier

loser... only savannah and chal-sTTon around here

:cool:..LOL. Thank Ya Yahnnie.. I can't wait to hang with ya!
sorry about the slip.. LOL.

I Luv Ya!!!

Cleetus

Only a few more weeks until this one!

I'm in!

List should be updated once Dan gets back from vacation. Rossta and I should get the free bids from Wed. Dubs unless something drastic happens over next three weeks. Anyone else from the east coming I don't see many going to PaW Paw or SNC

Meeting this Sunday at Geppettos after Dubs. Need to discuss how to distribute all this ADDED CEESH which should be our MOST yet

The Hickory Classic is shaping up to set tournament records, but registration is capped at 90. Sign up now and don't get left out. I'm back and I shall update the registration list daily. As always, Freddy B is lining up great sponsors, but this year he's getting help. Thus there will be record additions to payout, for both pro cash and am merch.

Improvments for 2007:

+ Lunches included for all, Fuddruckers grilling at the park on Saturday and Gepetto's delivering pizza on Saturday (vegy options on request)
+ Online registration at active.com
+ Course improvements including new tee signs, bench upgrades, new gravel and mulch around several tees, and new restrooms (puddle free!)
+ Pro Added cash TBD, but WILL be most ever (well over last year's $500)
+ Lots of high value CTP's

Go to www.hickorydiscgolf.com (http://www.hickorydiscgolf.com) for entry form or link to online registration. Hope to see you in Hickraw!

Wow Kirk Yoo in two places at once

I'm still trying to decide where I am going.

I really like the course and tournament.

Y'all have done a great job everytime I have been there.

It is very likely I won't be going to the WVO.

Kirk

You're always welcome here and this year might be the BEST yet

Min. added cash for Pros so far is $800 but should be $1000 by tourney time.
Will be playn longs on Sat and shorts on Sun

Min. added cash for Pros so far is $800 but should be $1000 by tourney time.




Wow!!

The payout has always been great at this event and looks like this year will it will even be better.

I'm pumped about coming to Hickory! I freakin love the course, the event is always ran well, and now lots of added cash. Looks like this year will eclipse all the ones in the past, which won't be easy to do.

Oh BTW the AM payout should be pretty sweet also. Plus nice Ont. Glow Rocs

This is going to be one for the record books!

For me, if I win something. :D

Looking forward to it!

see now there are just more reasons that i always come to this one
mj

One might be not taking 2nd every year
The added cash helps too though. I voted no shorts just for you but was shot down for some reason

I wish you guys were doing what you did the year you ran it brad where every hole was in the best pin, regardless of whether it was long or short.

But oh well. Not many holes change all that much.

Workday this Sat at 9
Wes and I will be looking at fixing the front of teepads on 15 and 16
Also putting in more benches and maybe moving some out of sight lines.
Also need some trimming done especially beach on 7
Course is currently in LONG positions

Early registration is brisk. Just posted 20th name online. Much quicker to that total than last year.

I also prefered to do one set-up for four rounds, but the majority voted to switch them up. The good news is that everyone gets to play 2 rounds of the new, long #4 position. Bring a disk you can afford to skip off the road up the left side of the hole.

oh come on 4 is just a little hyzer over the trees, unless you are lefty

21st name to add has been registered. The #4 long is a farther down and up to the left of the short so it is a little trickier now.

He's played it and for him it's just a LITTLE hyzer around pine. There's no anhyzer for righties due to first tree on left off pad however learn a 350 sidearm up the road. The more I play the hole the less I like it until it gets cleaned up

thats reason to throw a hyzer come on

we will play the new long pin on 4?

Yes we will be playn 4 LONG BUDDY
It's longer then 4 short

Yes we will be playn 4 LONG BUDDY



Cool, looking forward to seeing it.


It's longer then 4 short



Glad ya cleared that up :D

Thanks Bap.

Actually you can't see it

So where exactly is it and what is the shot?

I'll have course pics up on the site either today or tomorrow so you will be able to see where it is at.

the shot is a 350ft spike hyzer around the pines that are just to the right of the short. a 2 possibility is there if you clear this gap with some height. the pin is located on a dirt mound thats probably 80 feet up the hill and to the left of the short. its a tricky green. once it gets trimmed up a little bit, it will make for an interesting hole.

Tim I would suggest the straight shot over the short with a fast disc (maybe the destroyer or my favorite WARLORD)

HEY Timmy, you can also go up the road with that stellar sidearm but watchout for trees on top of hill (like to kick OB) and the light post across street.

Will be out early tonight with my little engineer buddy to look at pads

those trees only kick you OB bc your the only person that goes that way. i'd rather park it with my hyzer than get the circle 4 that i've seen someone get quite a bit recently.

When I use YOUR Destroyer tonight I won't

you guys have a host hotel?

Nope, we have no host hotel.

The closest hotel is Quality inn on 321. 828-431-2100. No FREE ones this year

The closest hotel is Quality inn on 321. 828-431-2100. No FREE ones this year



thanks for the info and thanks for the free room that one year - that rocked!

When I use YOUR Destroyer tonight I won't


No Destroyer= another 4
I'm really having a hard time figuring the hole out again it was so easy before it went back to the short. Good Luck righties atleast your shot isn't over ob the whole way

Do you only get on Board when Classic comes around?

i'm usually on the board, i just don't post. i do post, however, when i find a chance to make fun of mr. WARLORD.

I was talking about Peterskin <font color="blue"> offensive language removed </font> And ju know nuffn abut that WarLORD. Just thiink u had the original

Don't Forget Workday tomorrow at 9. Don't Know what the Danster has for his disciples to do but WES and I will be on them pads

All corporate sponsorships all full. But still has a few $25 spots left which is good for all.
Don't miss out

No Destroyer= another 4

Destroyer= Double circle 6

Will try WarLORD, WarLORD., WARlord 3

Good workday, today. Now we just need a Bobcat (TM) to fill the wall void.

30th player just pre-registered. Time to reserve your spot. Don't get left out.

Only Ten days away.
Don't forget workday this Sat at 9 need to repair 16 tee
and fill in 15 and general cleanup

I'm going to go ahead and say it now. I haven't played in about 3 weeks and I'm going to take Intermediate. You can hold me to that too Brad. I am going to do some of the local Raleigh courses this weekend though.

Pre-registration is at 39. The open division is looking strong. Going to be a great classic.

I played in Hickory yesterday for the first time in a good while, and the locals really have the course looking good! :) Lots of improvements throughout! Hole 1's tee made me feel like I was in Arizona somewhere, or maybe that was the intense HEAT!!! At one point during my first round (mid afternoon), about hole 11, I was thinking if I died here, they would find me during doubles later. :D HOT!

BIG UPS to the UFO CLUB OF HICKORY DGC for all their time and hardwork to pull off another great tournament this year!!!! :)

Course is looking better than ever! More money at stake than ever! Cool Glo Ontario Rocs with the Hickory stamp in the players pack. And, your entry fee covers your lunch provided by Fuddruckers on Sat., and some really good pizza place on Sun.!

Going to be a hole lot of FUN! :) Only 8 days left! Hope to see you all there!

Impromptu workday scheduled for 45 minutes from now. (3 pm) Should have a Bobcat there to haul sand to 15 and 16 pads for fill. Also will use to push brush back on 7. Course is lookn Good but will be in Top Notch shape for next weekend.

Don't forget main workday Tomorrow.
Nice to see J-biRd making the trip back wheres Tic Tac

Does anyone know how I might be able to get up with Lee Reading? I'll be staying in Swananoa and would like to see if I can carpool. Thanks for any help.

impromptu workday. nice brad.

Another good workday. Thanks to the crew. Expecting the Bobcat at 5:30 Monday to fill the voids. Lacks Brad's impulsiveness, but a "promptu" workday isn't all bad.

Pre-reg up to 45. Half full with 7 days until tee-off.

Another impromptu workday today at 5:00-5:300. Bobcat will be there.

Also if you see Freddy B. strongly encourage him to stop Baggn

15 and 16 pads are now complete and look great

ncpoints is updated.

http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/ (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/index.htm)

Pre-reg up to 57 out of max 90. Best best now is to go online via hickorydiscgolf.com. Online reg is open until 6 PM EDT Friday, 8/31/07. It might just fill on Friday night.

Pads 15 and 16 do indeed look nice, with 1 and 8 also looking sweet with recent red rock upgrades.

will the defending champ be there to defend?

what about slim, is he playing this year?

Are there multiple layouts for this course? i was looking at the scores from last year and it looks like the scores on sunday where a lot lower than saturday. was this weather realated or shorter holes? thanks for any help and Henry's 44 sunday afternoon WOW 1039 that was HOT!

Holes 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 16, 18 all have long basket positions. Those positions will be whats played on Saturday.

Short positions on Sunday.

thanks todd and MTL for the info.

Also, hole 18 has 4 positions, one for each round, all duecable (is that a word?).

Slims a question as of last week might go Southern Nat and it's greener pastures.
Dan lets do a trash round for Dubs tonight, but course is lookn better every day. Good work Team Gray (and few others)

duecable (is that a word?).


And a good one!

I'm more of an ace man myself.

duecable (is that a word?).


And a good one!

definitely a werd if spelled corrrectly....deucable

Ju makin it this year?
Von said something about work

CupcAce cant make trip this time, However, I can if I can find someone to go 1/2 sies on a room, and if I can get registered. PM me if your able.

Mini Thumber

Tried to register, not sure about this active account stuff. Cant we just use a bank card?

Mini Thumber

So when do the doubles start on Friday? We're doing double right?

Dubs start Friday at 5 PM. I'll be there from 4-7 taking registrations.

I have not heard any complaints about Active.com. Those that have used it, feel free to comment for Rocky's sake. There is no other bank card option.

Pre-reg is up to 70. Twenty spots left.

Dan

personally i was not a fan of active at all. i had to put my personel info in multiple times and the fees where a little excessive compared to pay pal. no biggie but pay pal seems to be the standard and is much more convenient.

I didn't quite understand the $49.00 annual fee when my word is godly to me, if I say Ill be there with cash, you can bank on it. It's all ok though, couldn't find a roomate to go half on. See ya at J-ville

Mini Thumber

rocky you did not have to join active you could have registered with out joining. sorry to hear you are not going to make it!

TD is acting a little tough on this situation which I personal don't understand but he is being consistent. He is shuting out the locals too. Lame but consistent. Can I sell my spot?

Active.com is not my favorite way of using online registration. They want a lot of personal info, and they lead some people to believe you must get an account with them to sign up. I just want to pay online and not have to submit DNA or get stuck with endless reams of junk email. Other than that , it's ok.

it wasn't that big a deal but if this is not sarcasim i am sad to hear that this is my first time in hickory and i am pumped to play the course.

Yes, its a great course, and tnmt. Just not a member of active, and after last year when my account got attacked from Australia. I am kind of cautious. Was looking forward to playing in the Grandmaster div. That would have been cool. I didn't ask the TD to hold me a spot, but as we play the circuit, I know what players are guarenteed when they say they are coming. I would cover them if needed, and I have .

Mini Thumber

I hear ya. It's too bad because I believe this will be the first year for Grandmaster and want to see how my boy Richard will do against others his age.
BWD- Are you coming for Dubs tomorrow?

man i sure wish i could be i will not be up there till friday night.

You can park at my house and play a glow round. I sjur others will join in

now that sounds interesting. my plan is to get in sleep and get up at the crack for a little sight seeing in the morning. man i can't wait to get to the foot hills! mtn's here i come.

i played the course yesterday and i have to say the course looks fantastic

Still looking for a roomate, and maybe the TD can save me a spot.

Mini Thumber

Active.com is down until 10 AM tomorrow (Friday) due to my failure to read a calendar 3 months ago when I set this up. It will be back up from soon after 10 AM to 6 PM Friday, or until pre-reg gets to 90, whichever comes first. We are currently at 71. After 90 I start the stand-by list.

I am trying to be fair with the pay to play hard-line. I admit I made four early (weeks ago before we knew we were filling up)exceptions and I'll be glad to explain those exceptions in a PM, but please note: this is the first time we expect to hit 90 players, so letting someone in will knock someone else out. Nothing personal, I just don't want to exclude people because I may not have met them in favor of people I know and can trust to be here.
This is the first time I have used an online registration system (last year I sent out Paypal invoices). I appreciate the feedback, so please keep it coming, in a post or PM. The club and I will review whether we want to keep active.com for next year. Please let me know if you start getting junk mail from active or espn.

On happier notes: lunchies (no extra charge), payouts, trophies, ctp's, other prizes, and especially the course are primed for what looks to be one great Classic.

For those who have asked :There will be some extra meals available at $5 for spectactors/caddies. And there are non-meat choices for both lunchies.

Dan

Wish I could make it Dan, BS and the rest of the Hickraw Boyz. On call, First Sunday, plus I got doves to murder. Y'all shoot em up! :cool:

plus I got doves to murder.



Is that to increase business? :D

plus I got doves to murder.



Is that to increase business? :D



Unless I open a pet cemetary probably not gonna increase business 'cause I'm killin' em graveyard dead........ or a restaurant..... You'd fight your Mama for dove breasts coming off the grill - hot coals, two minutes on the back, roll em over, minute and a half on the front, don't over cook em, pick em up and eat em right there coming off the grill. If you're the guy tending the grill, the reach with the long fork will let you out compete bystanders. :D

The VAN will be INN Hickory. O yeah.

Online registration is back on until 3 PM EDT today (Friday). Only 13 spots left as of 11:45 AM. Note: you do not have to pay to join the active network. Just sign up and pay for our event. If you prefer PayPal, send me an email at [email protected] and I will send you a PayPal invoice. Offer good until 3 PM EDT. Then I shall be at Glenn Hilton park taking walk-ups.

are the distances to the holes marked on the teesigns?
4 hours and then west bound and down 4 wheels a rollin

Yes but small. Look at the baskets on the teesign and footage is above basket.

Distances are also on tournament score cards. Also small.

thanks for the info. guys!

Online registration is closed. Currently 82 with 1 PayPal pending. I'll be at the park at 4 PM for walkup registration.

what's the quickest way from charlotte?

321

After registration, and 2 cancellations, we have 89 in. I can accept 2 more. First 2 in line (no shoving or cuts) at 8:30 AM Saturday, at the Hilton Shelter. Then we start the stand by list in case of any more cancellations.

Thanks for the record setting response for the 10 year celebration Hickory Classic!

Thanks Dan! You da man! Looking forward to it! :)

Can't believe there is no live scoring for this one.

At least App. State beat Michigan! :eek: :D

no scores period brother, come on guys, where are they.
Mini Thumber

Scores are up. Had to party first with the Jackets in South Bend.

Shorts tomorrow.
Tee off at 9 AM sharp.
No player meeting.
CTP for each group on #18.
Pizza for lunch.
Get some rest!

Way to go JJ, looks like GI Joe NCs newest father, and Slow Wave Dave are bringing the Smack Down on Ben. Good shootin guy's. Wish I was there. Who's the Intermediate shooting a 999 rated round, NCs newest Bagger. Add another one to the club LOL

Mini Thumber

YEA JJ!!! Represent brotha. :DWhat is up with the round ratings by the way?

Get em, get em, get em, Posi-"Pro"-Todd..... hoooooahhhhhhhh :cool:

Final Hickraw results?

K Yoo just texted me to tell me that JJ won Open

yea i can tell ya
1st JJ
2nd MJ
3rd Blane
4th BS
5th J-bird

masters
1st Mel Shuman
2nd Ant Gale
3rd Scott Crouch
after that i have no clue

Thanks MJ, what happened to Cracken and CLEE

Scores are up. Prize amounts to follow. Thanks to all for coming out and a big thank you to every helper.

Wilson, King of Prussia!!!!!!!

Good job Danster. Good shot Trilson. Great Scoring Hippie.

Open Ring of Fire Weiner: MtL (Hall Flamer)

Wilson vs Wilson in a playoff? WILSON wins!

I don't know if there is a prize for consistancy, but Wes Wightman shot four 59's in his first PDGA event.

Only two aces this year, Tuten and Todd P. I guess all the locals are out of practice on the shorts.

Congrats to Alex Wells, from Burlington, taking pro cash in his second tourney as an open player. Not an easy task in N.C.

Thanks to everyone in Hickory for another great Hickory classic. The course looked better than I've ever seen it!

Congrats to JJ for getting a win this year.

The only negative from the tournament had nothing to do with the tournament - just the ratings. Probably some of the worst ratings I've seen in a long time. A lot of people got crapped on for some really good shooting.

Last year I shot two 54's on the longs. We did not play the long on 4, 9 or the left pin on 18 (the hardest one). Every one of these holes got tougher this year. Yet, my 54 this year was rated lower than last year. Absolute crap that a rating would be lower for the same score on a tougher layout.

Sorry, your perception it's a tougher layout doesn't hold up from the actual results. If a course has gotten more open, less schule, trimmed limbs - those things can make the course easier each year to offset what you think are tougher pin placements. Your memory isn't as good as the actual scores.

Let me tell you about being crapped on. :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I had a great time for the most part though! I guess I understand that it was my fault. :cool: No doubt, I played some of my best rounds EVER, which I plan to feed off of and try and CRUSH more personal records :D The weather was perfect, and it was a lot O FUN hanging with the UFOs and a nice treat to play with some of the highly skilled up and coming PROS. Taco's HOT and WILSON!!! :eek: How sweet it is! At a point I found myself pulling for him. :cool: Yeah, that's right, I didn't choke. :D I'm just a really nice guy. :)

Great job Dan-O!

Already looking forward to next year! :cool:

I aced 5 but no ace pool again
Dirty Hippie good shootn I know it was a long time coming sorry bro.
How do u not birdie one spot for 18 boo

Sorry, your perception it's a tougher layout doesn't hold up from the actual results.



Oh thats right, the ratings don't understand that people sometimes shoot better than they should. My fault.

Good Job Team Gray

Please take ratings talk to rating forum

WOW...Mel by 15 strokes....b....b....ba...ba......ba....
Nice job JJ. How was the weather for this one, you guys still playing 100 degree golf or what? After the first day i thought B 2da S was taking it down...Mcree no cash. Things are a changing down there huh?

Man I've just gotta make this one eventually. Congrats everyone on the good shooting. Nice showing Bradley. Hard playing your home thang with your own expectations and the expectations of others that you SHOULD shoot well. Good on ya Alex, very nice, and Halton just keeps shooting em up. And atta boys to Wheelsun and the QC Burrito guy. Even the flatfoots made a good showing in advanced, Joe and WaveDave. But Todd I gotta tell you, some of us have discussed quietly the possibility of lining up a twice weekly math tutor. Nothing tough, no quadratics, or calc, or anything taxing, just simple addition really. Whattayathink? ;) :D Can happen to anyone my mountain goat friend. Had a good friend with daggone near 30 years in the sport at top levels get two strokes the exact same way at this years ProWorlds. See you next weekend at Ramcat. Tell you what, we'll spot you two strokes...... :D :cool:

Thanks Riverdawg and wow I couldn't putt Sunday, See ya this weekend. Will be nice to relax on the ridge.

Wow, decompressed and able to reflect. Here were the highlights for me-

1. Presenting Mr. James Powell with the "James and Wanda" discs. He is a treasure for both our club and Todd's HCDGC in West Jefferson.
2. Our first full field of 90.
3. Our first Grand Masters Divsion
4. Very strong rounds in all divisions
5. Nobody went into the condo yards
6. Congrats to JJ, MS, WL, JL, CT, LR and young Conner.
7. Tough for Todd after shooting so well, but he took it like the gentlemen he is and cheered on his competitors in the playoff
8. Talking the Ice Cream truck guys into turning off their music. It is unfair to make people try to putt listening to "Music Box Dancer"
9. Paul from Innova brings the Van and the loot for Ring of Fire
10. Drawing for the 96 pack of TP
11. Countless manhours put in by the UFO club to get the course ready, line up sponsors, and run the tournament. Thanks again to all who contributed.

ncpoints are updated.

http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/ (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/index.htm)

Only one more event before the playoffs begin.

Kirk Yoo and Joe Noble have first place locked up in their divisions heading into the playoffs where things will be reset. See ncdiscgolf.com for more info.

Good Job Team Gray

Please take ratings talk to rating forum



sorry Brad, but i think i need to say something about these ratings, even though its not going to do a bit of good.

now, i do not follow up very much on how these ratings calculated. but from what most people say, i gather that rounds are rated based on what other people shoot. what kind of consistency is that? what a 1025 rated golfer and a 900 rated golfer shoots, should have nothing to do with the way the rounds are rated, nothing whatsoever. just because a good golfer shoots bad, does not mean that the course is playing tougher, which is what the ratings suggest. this weekend, i feel alot of golfers deserved better round ratings. but it seems that just because local golfers that are rated fairly lower than the pros shoot hot, or the same score as a pro, the rating drops. and this seems to happen alot. so usually i consider a good round for me at or around 1010 to 1030. but this weekend my good rounds were 991 and 996? i will admit this is alot of my perception, but i think alot of the golfers this weekend feel the same way. chuck, if this is how your ratings are calculated, i would love for you to explain to me the consistency and logic behind them.

thanks,
JJ

I think a lot of the problem on the longs was holes like 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 16. With the exception of 4 and 8, I thought these were all good holes.

But, the problem is that there really is no skill separation on these holes. Most of the time there is no real difference and good drive and an ok drive on these holes b/c even the really good drive and the ok drive will yield 3's. The only real separation comes with an AWESOME drive (which won't happen much on these holes) and a terrible drive followed by a terrible approach.

Once again, let me say I am not saying these are bad holes. Just someone like JJ who was the best player this past weekend could throw really good drives on these holes and someone who finished in the top part of intermediate 100 points below him could throw an ok drive and both of these would yield 3s.

Then JJ only picks up strokes on these players 5 - 6 times instead of the normal 10 - 13 times. The computer doesn't understand these holes that most people will 3, sees that someone who is supposed to beat another player by 10 is only beating him by 4 and then all of the sudden, bad ratings.

I am a much bigger fan of the shorts on this course b/c then those good shots get 2's instead of 3s, especially on 4 7 9 10 and 16.

I was SHOCKED to see the ratings so bad on Sunday b/c these holes did spread out some of the skill issues that I was just talking about.

Ideally, I think a combo layout that Brad did when ran the tournament is the best thing for the course.

I think the best layout would be...Long 1, Short 3, short 4, long 6, short 7, short 9, short 10, long 11, short 16 and long straight 18.

However, I understand I am a minority in not wanting to play separate layouts, but I think that combination I listed would provide the best course, the most skill separation and the most accurate ratings.

It looks like the course SSA is almost identical to previous years. The problem is not how the ratings are calculated but along the lines of what MTL is dicussing. Certain holes will not provide sufficient skill separation and a fixed versus dynamic SSA won't make the ratings any better. If a course has many of these holes, all of the ratings will be in a much tighter distribution that doesn't allow the top players to get ratings much better than their rating. It's a course design issue which we've also talked about at Castle Hayne where the distributions are tight. We don't know how to put a factor in the calculation to artificially spread ratings when courses like this are encountered. As MTL mentioned, a better selection of short and long holes might allow a better scoring spread and resulting ratings spread.

It looks like the course SSA is almost identical to previous years.



That's the problem though Chuck.

This years course has never been played and was much tougher (probably a full 2 shots) than in the past.

I'm telling you that it's not tougher if the scores don't say so. You've gotten better so you're bringing a higher rating to the table as a small part of the change. It's also possible that the changes brought these tweaked holes into the problem category we've been discussing.

I'm telling you that it's not tougher if the scores don't say so. You've gotten better so you're bringing a higher rating to the table as a small part of the change. It's also possible that the changes brought these tweaked holes into the problem category we've been discussing.



well thats just it, the three holes that were different from last year are in that catagory.

But ask ANYONE who played...the course was def. tougher this year.

Not really that much tougher. Sure we played the new position on 4 and the far left position on 18 but both are still 2able, 4 more so if you have a good side arm. And maybe it is just me but I remember playing 9 long last year during the tournament.

Chris just pointed out the ongoing problem with ever using fixed SSAs. First, the course changed so we don't know how to adjust it. Second, you can't remember the pin placements used the previous time. Third, weather can't be accounted for. Scores from enough propagators is the only valid way to determine the true course difficulty during a round. The loss of accuracy comes when you don't have enough propagators from a stats standpoint. But even with smaller numbers, the SSA value is still better and easier to determine than any method trying to guess what kind of adjustments would be required when the weather and the course changes.

Honestly, from my point of view, the only hole that should of played tougher is hole 4 long, which I agree needs a fair-way.

The Hickory Club has done an amazing job and made a lot of really nice improvements to the course, including clearing out a lot of the brush/rough here and there, which to me makes several of the holes that much easier.


I think the best layout would be...Long 1, Short 3, short 4, long 6, short 7, short 9, short 10, long 11, short 16 and long straight 18.


2nd that! Although, I think a more consequential green would be cool for hole 7. Maybe at the top of the rivers bank? Drives would be a little more tricky as well. Right now, you can run at it from anywhere and kill it under the basket.

Don't get me wrong, Hickory's already an awesome course and I love it! But, since the sport has evolved why not use that experience and knowledge to make it even better, more FUN and Challenging! That goes for all older courses. It's almost ridiculous to continue doing something/anything the same way, when we've learned and now know and understand that there is a better way. That's why our government is so screwed up. :D You all know the saying, "Change is good". Nobodies perfect, no doubt about that. No doubt about it that every course could be a little better too. Bla, bla, bla......thats a different subject.

I don't understand the ratings, and I don't try too. That's the PDGA's job, and why I give them my money each year.

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Pictures are now on the website at the bottom of the home page ( http://www.hickorydiscgolf.com ). Sorry I was unable to get pictures on any of the events that happened on Sunday because of an unexpected viral infection, atleast I think that is what the doctor called it... They are pretty much just of the people in my first group on Saturday. Oh and I forget to take the quality off of 12 in Photoshop so they might take a minute to load.

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I think the best layout would be...Long 1, Short 3, short 4, long 6, short 7, short 9, short 10, long 11, short 16 and long straight 18.




I also agree with this and put it to a vote but lost. It's hard to get a real vote when only 9 are at meeting. Also last year we played the same course except 18d and 4l. However, either I'm getting better or the course is actually playing easier. There are alot more local routes and just having the confidency that your not going to break an ankle on 15 and 16 now helps. Believe me the course is easier now then ever except 4. A -4 in the shorts should be an advanced round like the 965 I recieved and the -6 a 991 because it felt like crap to me. JJ still won no matter the ratings and I forgot Congrats. Innova has your trophy.
Also 8 is a great hole. People over think it. Rightie throw straight or a sidearm. I have plenty of rightie 2's on that hole.

looks like a casual round with Chance, Chris and Matt to me.

Felt like a casual round. Very fun. And while this thread is still near can I get some input on the new course page at http://www.hickorydiscgolf.com
I only have hole 1 done so far.

is there any other pics other then with those 3 and BAP? i stopped looking at like picture 15.

Maybe you should've attended the event you douc (nevermind)

i know i made the wrong decision, don't remind me.

btw 15/16 look good.

They are pretty much just of the people in my first group on Saturday.



Explanation as to why I didn't get others is in my first post as well.

Nifty pix. Sorry about the illness hitting you CvD. Jimi Roberts took some of the awards ceremony, but I haven't seen them yet.

As to the course tourghness, I heard someone complain about # 8 being a bad hole, but I said we have guys who regularly deuce it. It just punishes tree hits worse than most other holes. The best comment I heard about # 8 was the question about when Freddy was going to install the landscape lighting around the fine looking tee box.

well, i have to say that i really like hickory, and i think most of the course is awesome, depending on short or long pins. as for hole 8 i wouldnt say it is the worst hole ive seen, but it is definitely not a good hole in my opinion. it can be too punishing for a good shot, and needs a very precise, awesome shot, and maybe even a little luck to get a jump put at the basket. there is one thing standing in the way of making it a fun, great tunnel shot hole, and its that tree in the middle of the fairway. like i said this is all just my opinion..

But if you take out that tree the hole becomes a straight 240 shot which is boring. I have heard about opening the left side off the pad alittle to resemble the right side. This will allow a little s shot like the lefties throw. (or as I said before throw a rightie sidearm which most Pros should have) However, I remember Clee hitting that left line all 4 rounds two years ago.
Yes the hole can punish shots but isn't that the point. Kinda like the one on 3. However if you ever played the course three years ago that was the left edge of the woods and now it's kinda in the middle if you call the left side a route.

I heard someone complain about # 8 being a bad hole, but I said we have guys who regularly deuce it.



I duece bad holes all the time. Whether or not someone can duece a hole has no bearing on whether or not the hole is good.

Hole 8 is not a good hole and the sad thing about it is that it is SO close to being one of the most awesome holes you will see.

The one thing that all great holes seem to have in common is how simple they are.

My suggestion for hole 8 would be to take out the 2 small trees on the left hand side of the fairway.

While it is true that taking out the large tree in the center would make it it a very cool hole visually I am not a fan of taking out a tree that is that large.

In the 4 rounds that I played it this weekend I only saw one player get up there for a putt. Granted he did it more than once but he also got very lucky.

In one round I watched 4 different types of throws hit the exact same tree.

I like this course but I feel that the weakest hole on the course is #8.

Kirk

My suggestion for hole 8 would be to take out the 2 small trees on the left hand side of the fairway.




Thanks for input. I will be out there today to look at hole. Most righties have made a comment about those two trees on left coming out. I will tell this the one in the middle WILL NOT BE COMING OUT.

Thanks Dan. And sadly I am still sick and am not going to be able to do the tourney in Raleigh this weekend either. Might play dubs this Sunday though. But with #8 I can see where the hole might play better and look better with a few trees out but I personally don't have a problem with it the way it is now. I'm no pro so my expectations are lower but I always just play the hole for a par, and when the occasional birdie does come (all 3 of them) I just let out a woot. This is an Int. speaking though.

I'm no pro so my expectations are lower but I always just play the hole for a par, and when the occasional birdie does come (all 3 of them) I just let out a woot. This is an Int. speaking though.



Same for me, and I am pro (although, couldn't claim that this past weekend :D)

Thats the point about this hole, not a lot of skill seperation.

I also think that the middle tree coming out would be the best solution, however, realize that it is tough to remove trees that size for many reasons.

Cleaning up the left side and allowing a similar style shot that lefties have would be a very nice change I feel.

I like hole 8!!!!

I hated it the first time I played it, but I think the rhodo bunker on the right, the creek, and the early left stuff makes the hole. Yes it's a tight hole, I think it's great that it's the hole to enter the woods with, as it's sort of intimidating/daunting.

Now that I have some straight to slightly flippy discs, I am not afraid to throw that hole. 17 seems to me to have more lack of a route to the basket, but I wouldn't cut much, since all the trees are massive.

Did the tee on hole 7 get fixed (as I tweezer the rock and glass shards from my palms)

17 is a great hole

Sorry Matt that one haven't been fixed yet but 15 and 16 have. (It will be next and moving wall on 3 back from pad).You're still mad about that cutt through and the Fourpeat. but the gap on that one is tight and fair. Leftie putter

In the 4 rounds that I played it this weekend I only saw one player get up there for a putt. Granted he did it more than once but he also got very lucky.






Lucky, Ouch. :mad::D

I got 2 birdies on that hole. It sets up well for my forehand. I do understand Captain's point however, and I agree with him taking the 2 trees would improve the hole.

Had a great time and loved the course, it was a lot of fun. It was a long drive from Kinston, but I really enjoyed the scenery and the great people that I got to play with. I was nice meeting some new folks! The meals were a great idea and the water on the course helped a lot. If anyone finds my champion firebird (red and name inside) please let me know. It was thrown on hole 18 on friday and hit the big oak and went down and to the left of the tree in the kudzoo. I will be gald to give a reward and pay shipping. You know how annoying it is to replace a disc that you like. Good Job Hickory and Dan. You mountain boys are all good in my book! Thanks for a fun weekend!

Will keep an eye out for it. That is a tough area. Have lost atleast a dozen down there. The late fall and winter is when most are found. Glad you enjoyed the Hick Raw

Sorry I forgot- Congrats to the newest PDGA member Freddy Bowman (nice CTP) now play more then one tourney a year

Thanks, I found five discs in there and turned them into Dan. I know the Karma will bring my red firebird home. Henry said he would keep his eyes open for it too. Who ever knew you could walk on top of Kudzoo?

Who ever knew you could walk on top of Kudzoo?

Wow, I need to see video of this. The "Miracle of Hilton" ?

We'll keep an eye out for your red rooster.

Any word from the red firebird? Just checking!