Hope I don't get banned for this post, since it involves an activity that is completely illegal for those under 18 to participate in.

Anyone else notice Angel Cabrera puffing down on a drug delivery system in between holes at the US Open? I mean, let's talk about image here. How can ball golf allow its players to project such an unclean, unwholesome, unfamily-friendly image? They'll NEVER get sponsors until they CLEAN UP their IMAGE!!!

Not to mention, Cabrera was using drugs to calm his nerves. Just think, if Cabrera was playing against a 17-year-old, he'd have an UNFAIR advantage because that 17-year-old wouldn't be allowed to smoke a cancer stick to calm his nerves!!! HOW WILL BALL GOLF EVER ATTRACT ANY SPONSORS WITH THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO ADULTS???

You go get em tiger...

I always love the advocates for our personal freedoms who ignore the issues going on around us in the "real" world but howl about the smallest stuff here.

It is fun though.

ball golf already has plenty of sponsors,where have you been? :confused: If you hit an ace at any PGA golf tourney you get a car or something equiv.,payout is in the mill's.This tournament that you are talking about was sponsored by Lexus and I am sure had a great payout since it was a PDGA major.

This tournament that you are talking about was sponsored by Lexus and I am sure had a great payout since it was a PDGA major.



2007 U.S. Open Prize Money (http://www.usopen.com/news/money-b4.html)

I just want to point out that Ken Climo has won just about the same as the 4th place finisher this weekend in his ENTIRE CAREER.

The PGA also donates all entry fees to charity - basically all the prize money is "added cash" so to speak.

ball golf already has plenty of sponsors,where have you been? :confused: If you hit an ace at any PGA golf tourney you get a car or something equiv.,payout is in the mill's.This tournament that you are talking about was sponsored by Lexus and I am sure had a great payout since it was a PDGA major.



What? You mean that sponsors see players doing drugs in between holes at the US Open and they still put up tons of cash??? :confused:

That eliminates the argument that the PDGA needs to clean up disc golf's image so that disc golf can attract sponsors, doesn't it?

I don't think many sponsors saw Cabrera doing drugs during the event. I'm pretty sure they saw him smoking cigarettes though. They just don't recognize that as doing drugs. Kind of like the beer after a long day that isn't really a drug.

Other than being Mikey-lite, what's your point?

Cabrera will definitely get fined for his on-camera smoking, but as Johnny Miller said, "he just doesn't care."

I've never seen a golfer with a bigger stuff-eating-grin on his face watching the misfortune of his competitors.

It sure hurt to watch Furyk on #17

Cabrera will definitely get fined for his on-camera smoking, but as Johnny Miller said, "he just doesn't care."




Considering what he won for first place, any "on-camera smoking" fine would be no big deal. What I am curious about are the actual cigarette butts.....I saw him flick one aside as he walked the fairway toward his lie. If his caddy picked up the butt off camera, that's cool....if not, I would have considered it littering the course.

Other than being Mikey-lite, what's your point?



Mikey-lite told me that this tactic wouldn't be well-understood, but he said not to use the up-your-face tactic while the censors are on the prowl.

for the second time, the point is: "That eliminates the argument that the PDGA needs to clean up disc golf's image so that disc golf can attract sponsors, doesn't it?"

So gnduke, you're okay with drugs?

for the second time, the point is: "That eliminates the argument that the PDGA needs to clean up disc golf's image so that disc golf can attract sponsors, doesn't it?"


I watched the whole final round, and I didn't once see El Pato roll up a [censored] of marijuana and puff away.

Other than Terry Calhoun, I haven't heard anyone on here ever try to equate cigarettes with illegal substance abuse during PDGA tourneys.

For the record, marijuana is still illegal even though the San Francisco Police Department has been instructed by the SF City Council to make it their lowest priority, and despite the $5 ticket that Ann Arbor MI hands out for it.

Do you have any comments about how much beer Big John D. had during the round? Or, comments about the over-restrictive dress code policy they have to abide by? Or comments about the heavy-handedness of the PGA and the restrictions and fines that they implement?

so i take it that you're cool with your kids watching Cabrera use one of the most addictive substances known to man to calm his nerves? so, the next time your daughter gets nervous she should light a Lucky Strike then?

Do you have any comments about how much beer Big John D. had during the round? Or, comments about the over-restrictive dress code policy they have to abide by? Or comments about the heavy-handedness of the PGA and the restrictions and fines that they implement?



not in this thread i don't!!! thread drifting is a punishable offense according to some. i'm in enough hot water for posting Mikey-lite quotes.

Your points are so far out there it is hard too know where you are coming from. Most kids have seen people smoke cigs!!! Most kids havent seen people smoke mary J. I would have to say that cigs are more accepted than phatty's, wouldnt you?

BTY, after seening all of your post here, for mikey, I am sure glad that I left his name off the ballot.:)

Hope I don't get banned for this post, since it involves an activity that is completely illegal for those under 18 to participate in.

Anyone else notice Angel Cabrera puffing down on a drug delivery system in between holes at the US Open? I mean, let's talk about image here. How can ball golf allow its players to project such an unclean, unwholesome, unfamily-friendly image? They'll NEVER get sponsors until they CLEAN UP their IMAGE!!!

Not to mention, Cabrera was using drugs to calm his nerves. Just think, if Cabrera was playing against a 17-year-old, he'd have an UNFAIR advantage because that 17-year-old wouldn't be allowed to smoke a cancer stick to calm his nerves!!! HOW WILL BALL GOLF EVER ATTRACT ANY SPONSORS WITH THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO ADULTS???



I just have one question, instead of concerning yourself that Angel Cabrera is smoking a cigarette while playing in an event on the PGA tour, why don't YOU go and start a tournament somewhere, find YOUR big sponsors and run it however YOU want. THEN, when you are a big success, you can write to all of us lowly TD's and PDGA members about how your way is so great.

Have a great day. :)

Your points are so far out there it is hard too know where you are coming from. Most kids have seen people smoke cigs!!! Most kids havent seen people smoke mary J. I would have to say that cigs are more accepted than phatty's, wouldnt you?



Funny that i haven't once mentioned marijuana. Let's keep to the topic here. You know there's a lot of under 18 year old players who play disc golf tournaments. But it's illegal for them to smoke cigarettes. So why should an adult be allowed to have an unfair advantage in tournament play by smoking something that his under 18-year-old competitors can not? I'd swear I heard the PDGA say it's all about fair play...or maybe that was Mike Kernan, PDGA Board of Directors Candidate. :eek:

Hope I don't get banned for this post, since it involves an activity that is completely illegal for those under 18 to participate in.

Anyone else notice Angel Cabrera puffing down on a drug delivery system in between holes at the US Open? I mean, let's talk about image here. How can ball golf allow its players to project such an unclean, unwholesome, unfamily-friendly image? They'll NEVER get sponsors until they CLEAN UP their IMAGE!!!

Not to mention, Cabrera was using drugs to calm his nerves. Just think, if Cabrera was playing against a 17-year-old, he'd have an UNFAIR advantage because that 17-year-old wouldn't be allowed to smoke a cancer stick to calm his nerves!!! HOW WILL BALL GOLF EVER ATTRACT ANY SPONSORS WITH THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO ADULTS???



I just have one question, instead of concerning yourself that Angel Cabrera is smoking a cigarette while playing in an event on the PGA tour, why don't YOU go and start a tournament somewhere, find YOUR big sponsors and run it however YOU want. THEN, when you are a big success, you can write to all of us lowly TD's and PDGA members about how your way is so great.

Have a great day. :)



you say you had a question, yet i see no question mark. perhaps you were smoking in the bathroom during that punctuation lesson? see kids, smoking is bad, m'kay

If you want to level the playing field with regards to cigarettes, lobby your congressman to make the laws concerning cigarettes consistent regardless of age. The PDGA has no bearing on the laws of your state. Last I checked they were not a registered lobbyist.

Hope I don't get banned for this post, since it involves an activity that is completely illegal for those under 18 to participate in.

Anyone else notice Angel Cabrera puffing down on a drug delivery system in between holes at the US Open? I mean, let's talk about image here. How can ball golf allow its players to project such an unclean, unwholesome, unfamily-friendly image? They'll NEVER get sponsors until they CLEAN UP their IMAGE!!!

Not to mention, Cabrera was using drugs to calm his nerves. Just think, if Cabrera was playing against a 17-year-old, he'd have an UNFAIR advantage because that 17-year-old wouldn't be allowed to smoke a cancer stick to calm his nerves!!! HOW WILL BALL GOLF EVER ATTRACT ANY SPONSORS WITH THAT UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO ADULTS???



I just have one question, instead of concerning yourself that Angel Cabrera is smoking a cigarette while playing in an event on the PGA tour, why don't YOU go and start a tournament somewhere, find YOUR big sponsors and run it however YOU want<font color="red">?</font>

THEN, when you are a big success, you can write to all of us lowly TD's and PDGA members about how your way is so great.

Have a great day. :)



you say you had a question, yet i see no question mark. perhaps you were smoking in the bathroom during that punctuation lesson? see kids, smoking is bad, m'kay

<font color="red"> There's your question mark. Now do you have the guts to answer the call to action? Or will you just cower behind your computer screen and peck away at the keyboard?</font>

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You know there's a lot of under 18 year old players who play disc golf tournaments. But it's illegal for them to smoke cigarettes. So why should an adult be allowed to have an unfair advantage in tournament play by smoking something that his under 18-year-old competitors can not?



Unfair advantage, huh?

Immediate effects of cigarette smoking:

* Smoking one cigarette immediately raises a person's blood pressure and heart rate and decreases the blood flow to body extremities such as the fingers and toes.
* Brain and the nervous system activity is stimulated for a short time and then reduced.
* A smoker may also experience dizziness, nausea, watery eyes and acid in the stomach.
* Appetite, taste and smell are weakened.

Other effects of cigarette smoking

* Smokers typically experience shortness of breath, persistent coughs, reduced fitness, yellow stains on fingers and teeth and decreased sense of taste and smell.
* Smokers have more colds and flu than non-smokers and find it harder to recover from minor illnesses.
* Smoking can cause impotence in men, while women who smoke are less fertile than non-smokers.
* People who smoke tend to have facial wrinkles appearing much earlier and, in general, look older than non-smokers of the same age.

Golf does not have ridiculous rules such as "littering on the course."



You call littering "ridiculous"? I surely hope that is not the mindset of other players in your area.... :confused:

If you want to level the playing field with regards to cigarettes, lobby your congressman to make the laws concerning cigarettes consistent regardless of age. The PDGA has no bearing on the laws of your state. Last I checked they were not a registered lobbyist.



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A cigarette butt will biodegrade in less then one year.



That depends on what part you are talking about. While the paper and tobacco of cigarette butts are readily biodegradable, their cellulose acetate filters typically take 10-12 years to biodegrade.

Plus, while you wait for it to degrade, others pile up next to it, and the neighborhood association comes by and notices the pile, and then tells the parks department who then pulls the course due to littering disc golfers.

Cigerettes, while smoking them is stupid, nasty, leads to major health issues and probably sets bad examples for kids, is LEGAL.

If the PGA / PDGA had an issue with them, they would make them illegal during play exactly how alcohol, although legal, is illegal during play.

This cracks the top 10 worst threads list. Nothing will beat Disc Golf on Death Row, but this was close.

i love this place. where else can you find such fodder?

MTL, i guess it's okay if i want to take legal prescription drugs to enhance my performance then? you know that the PDGA doesn't drug test, right? So i can use whatever that guy on the Tour de France did, correct? because it's legal and the PDGA says it's cool?

woo hoo! if this thread doesn't show once and for all the USA's educational system breeds complacence and conformity, i don't know what does. man, i gotta use better bait. anyone know where i can talk to disc golfers with brains?

There's your question mark. Now do you have the guts to answer the call to action? Or will you just cower behind your computer screen and peck away at the keyboard?</font>




another of the things that they teach in school is reading comprehension, and answering questions with relevant thoughts. were you under the bleachers smoking that afternoon when they taught that?

If you want to level the playing field with regards to cigarettes, lobby your congressman to make the laws concerning cigarettes consistent regardless of age. The PDGA has no bearing on the laws of your state. Last I checked they were not a registered lobbyist.



Incorrect sir. The PDGA is perfectly capable of outlawing cigarette consumption during its events. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THEY OUTLAWED ALCOHOL???

let's see if we can get all the conformists to post on this thread. let's see if we can get everyone who can't think more than two steps ahead to post to this thread. i think we're about 10% of the way there.

...i guess it's okay if i want to take legal prescription drugs to enhance my performance then?


It is perfectly okay for you to take legal prescription drugs and compete in PDGA tournaments, even if those legal prescription drugs enhance your performance.

Just so you don't think I'm not looking ahead.....prescription drugs are only legal for the person whom the prescription is written for. So if you can get a doctor to prescribe performancing enhancing substances for you then you are a-okay. If you go to a back alley or your local gym and buy presciption medicine without a prescription, it is not legal.


Sometimes it's still fun to feed the troll.

Other than being Mikey-lite, what's your point?



This wins my favorite post of the day! Maybe even of the week... :D

Mikey-lite, it has a nice ring to it.

The PGA also donates all entry fees to charity - basically all the prize money is "added cash" so to speak.

You mean the PGA doesn't run a simultaneous and similarly named tournament for amateurs with $10,000 entry fees in order to come up with their added cash?

Sponsors! What a clever idea.

Oh, well, until then pro disc golfers always have Am worlds to count on!

If you want to level the playing field with regards to cigarettes, lobby your congressman to make the laws concerning cigarettes consistent regardless of age. The PDGA has no bearing on the laws of your state. Last I checked they were not a registered lobbyist.



Incorrect sir. The PDGA is perfectly capable of outlawing cigarette consumption during its events. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THEY OUTLAWED ALCOHOL???




How fun... Please show which of the statements of mine that you quoted above were incorrect.

If you want to level the playing field with regards to cigarettes, lobby your congressman to make the laws concerning cigarettes consistent regardless of age. The PDGA has no bearing on the laws of your state. Last I checked they were not a registered lobbyist.



Incorrect sir. The PDGA is perfectly capable of outlawing cigarette consumption during its events. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THEY OUTLAWED ALCOHOL???

let's see if we can get all the conformists to post on this thread. let's see if we can get everyone who can't think more than two steps ahead to post to this thread. i think we're about 10% of the way there.



Well gee, if they outlaw cigarettes that will put them on par with the rest of the country which is quickly outlawing cigarettes in bars and other places. Why is that happening? Well, despite the millions big tobacco spends to fight this information coming out, cigarettes cause cancer, emphysema, bad breath and a number of other health problems. While you might see such an action as something bad, personally I would applaud the PDGA. But then I like my lungs.

Once again, why don't you pick something to rail about that's actually important to the sport. Call UPM up, I'm sure he'll have something for you to work with.

Cigerettes, while smoking them is stupid, nasty, leads to major health issues and probably sets bad examples for kids, is LEGAL.

If the PGA / PDGA had an issue with them, they would make them illegal during play exactly how alcohol, although legal, is illegal during play.

This cracks the top 10 worst threads list. Nothing will beat Disc Golf on Death Row, but this was close.



Actually the PGA does not prohibit alcohol consumption during its events!!! You just assume that they do because the players that are drinking are doing so from a cup or plain bottle so that its not obvious to those watching on TV.

I'm pretty sure that is incorrect, but can't find any documentation about it.

A pack of Pall Malls or Lucky Strikes in evey player's pack! That way there are no filters to linger around the tee pad.

There's a guy in my department who has a framed photo of Arnold Palmer and Chi Chi (I think) smoking at a PGA event back in the 60s. Nichalus smoked too, IIRC.

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i see we're up to about 15% on the conformo-meter. I bet we'll hit 50% by dawn.

Lyle, i don't smoke. I don't drink, I don't do drugs. I may have my fingers crossed behind my back though. It doesn't matter. If you don't have something useful to add about hypocrisy and cigarettes and or alcohol or other drugs, please refrain from your usual style of [Lyle].

See, if the tobacco lobby wasn't pouring money down your legislature's throats on a daily basis, cigarettes would be completely illegal. If an auto manufacturer made a car that killed 25% or more of its riders, they'd outlaw it in a minute. But HYPOCRISY and tired old traditions allow cigarette manufacturers to not only kill 25% of their customers, the taxpayers get to pay for the medical bills of smokers too.

But it's okay because it's legal. It's not legal for minors, but that's just a techincality that the PDGA blind mice overlook.

A pack of Pall Malls or Lucky Strikes in evey player's pack! That way there are no filters to linger around the tee pad.



Camel nonfilters for me, thanks. Nothing beats that Turkish and domestic blend. :D

shut up, enough already

This tournament that you are talking about was sponsored by Lexus and I am sure had a great payout since it was a PDGA major.



2007 U.S. Open Prize Money (http://www.usopen.com/news/money-b4.html)



One tournament that i'd be happy with a 60th place finish. :DToo bad Disc Golf payouts will NEVER be that rich.....unless its our own money.(entry fees)

I think one-can-short-of-a-6pack missed this post:



...i guess it's okay if i want to take legal prescription drugs to enhance my performance then?


It is perfectly okay for you to take legal prescription drugs and compete in PDGA tournaments, even if those legal prescription drugs enhance your performance.

Just so you don't think I'm not looking ahead.....prescription drugs are only legal for the person whom the prescription is written for. So if you can get a doctor to prescribe performancing enhancing substances for you then you are a-okay. If you go to a back alley or your local gym and buy presciption medicine without a prescription, it is not legal.


Sometimes it's still fun to feed the troll.

This tournament that you are talking about was sponsored by Lexus and I am sure had a great payout since it was a PDGA major.



2007 U.S. Open Prize Money (http://www.usopen.com/news/money-b4.html)



One tournament that i'd be happy with a 60th place finish. :DToo bad Disc Golf payouts will NEVER be that rich.....unless its our own money.(entry fees)



Can you imagine what our entry fee would be to fund this size of purse with no added money? Anyone willing to do the math?

for a 90 player field, it would be $77,777.78 entry fee for each MPO player. plus the pdga fee of course. if we invited every player currently rated over 1000 and got 100% participation, that figure would drop significantly to just $48,275.86. (plus pdga fees of course).

Jeez, Pat! Would you pay $77,777.78 for a tournament where the TD allowed 5-somes!!!! :mad:

US Open total purse = $7,000,000
Assume 72 entrants
Assume no added cash
Entry fee = $97,222.22 per competitor!

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and i think you missed the one where i asked if you think it's okay for one of your "world champ" daughters to smoke to calm down their nerves like Cabrera did.

are you so blind that you can't see the advantage he gained by calming his nerves?

wait, let me ask your daughter---since you've never competed for a title and have no clue what a pressure putt feels like :D

oh did the little troll bite you? :p stop feeding me, please!

Its bad to eat meat, would you let your daughter eat meat when you know its bad for her?

so if a guy goes off by himself to calm his nerves, should he be in trouble?

Angel found a LEGAL and non-rule breaking way to calm himself down. It is no different that a pre-shot ruitine, a pre-round meal of certain foods or a night before ritual.

If he was doing something illegal and / or against the rules, you would have a point.

I think your point is that the way he did this is by doing something that you don't want your children doing? Well if that is the case, don't blame Angel or anyone else who does it. Blame the PGA for not making it against the rules.

Jeez, Pat! Would you pay $77,777.78 for a tournament where the TD allowed 5-somes!!!! :mad:

US Open total purse = $7,000,000
Assume 72 entrants
Assume no added cash
Entry fee = $97,222.22 per competitor!


well, as long as i could play in five-somes of my age, gender, skill, eyecolor, handed-ness, and experience peers, sure :)

hmmm... maybe the Assocaition could issue World Championship titles on a fee basis. $20,000 gets you a skill-protected title, $25,000 an age-based title... something like that... hmmm...

wait, let me ask your daughter---since you've never competed for a title and have no clue what a pressure putt feels like


Rhett Stroh
PDGA #14540
2004 Amateur World Champion in mini-golf
2004 United States Champion in Advanced Masters
2005 SoCal Series Champion in Advanced Masters

Next troll, please...

"2004 Amateur World Champion in mini-golf"

thats a real title? can you honestly say you dont hide a chuckle when you scoreboard someone with that one?

Well if that is the case, don't blame Angel or anyone else who does it. Blame the PGA for not making it against the rules.



I can't find the exact text, but smoking in front of the cameras <u>is</u> illegal. That's why you rarely see it on TV. The penalty is a cash fine, just like for swearing, thowing clubs, smashing things, kicking over rock walls, etc. The PGA/USGA, etc. have a good policy that penalizes players for undesireable behavior without making a huge deal out of things. Many golf fans aren't even aware that Tiger gets fined on a fairly regular basis for swearing.

Does the PGA/USGA publish a list of those infractions? Is it possible for the regular public players to see what gets the Pros in trouble?

When I called "roller" before stepping on the pad, do you think there wasn't pressure? (My mini-roller circled the pin.)

You think there wasn't pressure to make the mini-putt that got me to digits down? Sheesh, I was using my mini-towel to wipe the mini-perspiration off my maxi-forehead for that one!

Don't be jealous, Pat. I have a World Title, a National Title, and a Regional Title. :) They can never take those away.

Rhett, you forgot to mention your mini mini-marker being precisely placed to mark your mini-lie just before the glorious mini-moment

Rhett, you forgot to mention your mini mini-marker being precisely placed to mark your mini-lie just before the glorious mini-moment


I was using a bicentennial quarter tails side up, so there was the added pressure of the drummer-dude watching the putts. :)

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and i think you missed the one where i asked if you think it's okay for one of your "world champ" daughters to smoke to calm down their nerves like Cabrera did.

are you so blind that you can't see the advantage he gained by calming his nerves?

wait, let me ask your daughter---since you've never competed for a title and have no clue what a pressure putt feels like :D

oh did the little troll bite you? :p stop feeding me, please!



By the way Nicotine is a stimulant so therefore people only BELIEVE it calms then down which is the real calmer in all actuality it stimulates you and in some cases makes the nerves even worse!!! So really when people say they are calming themselves down by smoking they are lying to themselves and if you believe that smoking a stimulant calms you down then I dont know what to tell you.

Here is a novel concept.

Smoking is bad for you.

There are no benefits from smoking a cigarette.

You are already a step ahead of that individual, take that ball and run with it .

BTW- I have been a smoker for 10 years, ask anybody that smokes , if we had a chance to do it all over. We would never take that first drag....

Reluctantly Yours,

The guy who think's Angel Cabrera beat the worlds 1st and 3rd best golfers last weekend FAIR AND SQUARE . NO EXCUSES FOR ME, THANK YOU! :D:D:D

Best thread in a long time.

Best thread in a long time <font color="red"> that proves how stupid people are </font>

Look away for a while and the thread takes off.

6Pack, as to your question on how I feel about drugs:

I have no problem with prescription drugs, cigarettes, or alcohol in moderation, though I try to avoid all of those personally. I do Advil, Aleve, and Tums.

I do have a problem with illicit drug use that may effect other people. I don't preach about or try to force my opinions on other people.

I am well known for abiding by and calling the rules including the ones concerning controlled substances.

By the way Nicotine is a stimulant so therefore people only BELIEVE it calms then down which is the real calmer in all actuality it stimulates you and in some cases makes the nerves even worse!!! So really when people say they are calming themselves down by smoking they are lying to themselves and if you believe that smoking a stimulant calms you down then I dont know what to tell you.


Tobacco users are avoiding withdrawal symptoms - by lighting up...or dropping in a chew.

Hey, lets invade the Faulklands, er, ah strike (lucky that is) at an easy target...SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU. Good, I got that out of my system. Smoking, in my humble opinion, is a dirty, nasty, unhealthy habit. Oh, one other thing...its legal. Angel Cabrera was smoked out by the cameras doing something he is allowed to do but really ought not do. As a professional sophist I can argue both sides of this one. 1) he is bad for the sport of ball golf as he projects a downardly mobile, unhealthy, bad for sponsors image. 2) he brings in the average joe (er Camel Joe that is) and broadens the appeal of the game. Whatever! He smokes. He also won a big time tournament and beat some big time players including possibly the best ever or at least one of them. Good for him.

As mentioned above, SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU. In fact its so bad for you that I personally think its much worse than smoking dope. However, there is one slight distinction...its legal. One cannot smoke in a lot of places, but its still a legal activity if you are over 18. Dope smoking, other than with some exceptions noted in this thread, is illegal. So, as they say across the pond Bob's yer uncle. I don't have a problem with dope smoking but it is illegal. Tobacco- gross. tetrahydracanibinol- illegal. I fail to see the connection betwen Angel Cabrera and Cheech and Chong other than the scorched lungs.

Now, if you want to talk about the image of the sport you can bring back Mr. Cabrera. He is more like the issue of collared shirts. Is smoking too icky to be associated with disc golf? If you can say yes to this with a straight face, let the conversation continue...

Last night at league we were two shots behind another group with two holes to go. It was just about over. A guy in the other group walked by my partner and farted and then broke out into hysterics. I said, "hey, that's a courtesy violation. he farted on my partner. I think you guys should lose a stroke." Of course, my comment was in jest. Otherwise, I would have had a problem with smoking. Steve Martin onced asked the rhetorical question, "Do you mind if I fart?"

Wait,

Why did UPM-Lite start this thread? Oh yeah, trolling. UPM must be proud of his boy... ;)

Don't know, It's less than 100 posts long, and no one's actively using banned words yet. It's going kind of slow.

Its bad to eat meat, would you let your daughter eat meat when you know its bad for her?


My steak didn't come with a Surgeon General's warning on it! :p :D

Our local paper had Monday's Sport's Page headline as "CABRERA SMOKES FIELD"... :D

Looks like 6-pack got the 72 hour time out from the message board monitors.

I'll post something as soon as i'm done smoking.

Looks like 6-pack got the 72 hour time out from the message board monitors.



More likely that UPM got the 72 hour time out from the MBM... :o