So where is the QK2 Discwing???? Come on. Please Please quit changing the date on your website (it was May 30th until a few days ago) and give us an ACTUAL release date, or maybe an update as to where you really are in production. It now says October. My eager anticipation for this disc has turned into a dislike for your company, and I know nothing about you. Please just give us some updates every once in a while. You will save a LOT of customers that way. If anyone from Discwing or elsewhere can chime in please do.

Thanks
Peace
Scott (Disc Ninja) Hoffman

Actually, this is the PDGA web site, that is the Professional Disc Golf Association, not the Discwing website. Maybe you're confused.

Peace my arse.

Thanks.

There ya go I changed the thread name to be like asking all the other manufacturers about their products.....now am I allowed to ask about his product on the equipment thread??

Peace
Scott

So where is the QK2 Discwing???? Come on. Please Please quit changing the date on your website (it was May 30th until a few days ago) and give us an ACTUAL release date, or maybe an update as to where you really are in production. It now says October. My eager anticipation for this disc has turned into a dislike for your company, and I know nothing about you. Please just give us some updates every once in a while. You will save a LOT of customers that way. If anyone from Discwing or elsewhere can chime in please do.

Thanks
Peace
Scott (Disc Ninja) Hoffman



The Quarter K II disc was originally promised in March of 2006!

Then May. Then June. Then August. Then September. Then October. Then the holidays. Then May 31st 2007, and now October 2007 is listed.

If you think you'll ever see a production run of the Quarter K II which throws like the hand-poured prototypes from a few years ago, you're delusional.

Who cares?

Not I.

There ya go I changed the thread name to be like asking all the other manufacturers about their products.....now am I allowed to ask about his product on the equipment thread??

Peace



Scott



This thread is like a giant empty room...I can hear the echoes. Hellllooooo....Anybody there...anybody there...anybody there...

There ya go I changed the thread name to be like asking all the other manufacturers about their products.....now am I allowed to ask about his product on the equipment thread??

Peace



Scott



This thread is like a giant empty room...I can hear the echoes. Hellllooooo....Anybody there...anybody there...anybody there...



This thread is like a giant empty room...I can hear the echoes. Hellllooooo....Anybody there...anybody there...anybody there...

Nope. ;)

Who cares?



If the disc ever came out, I think a lot of people would. Many years ago, several golfers were throwing the original hand-poured prototypes over 600 feet. I think we would all like to see a production run of this disc in premium plastic, but the way it's been going, we're more likely to see Jesus return to Earth! :D

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we're more likely to see Jesus return to Earth! :D



I'm confused, cuz the weird people down the street say he'll be back any day now. . . does that mean the QK2 is imminent, too?

You can change the name of the thread to blome for all it's worth, but why don't you just go ask the guy who keeps making you cry? Is he even a member? Does he EVER post?


There ya go I changed the thread name to be like asking all the other manufacturers about their products.....now am I allowed to ask about his product on the equipment thread??

Peace
Scott

Discwing site is gone.....don't know what that means exactly, discwing.co.uk is gone too.

Peace
Scott

That sucks you would think if lighting is still making stuff that a decent Disc company not based in the U.S. could make it.

www.discwing.com (http://www.discwing.com) is online.

My favorite quote from the Discwing website:

Discwing are not standing still it seems, already gearing up for the release of their next disc.

Guys, look! It states the new QKII will ship out on November 15th! The game of disc golf as we know it will be changed forever in less than two weeks

Oooops sorry about giving bad info when I went there yesterday it was a site for discs like dvds and cds but you could tell it was one of those place holder sites.....

Peace
Scott

Please see post #695515 earlier on this thread.

There will be a manned space mission to Mars before there's a production run of the QKII. :D

Either way if a hat weren't so expensive I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Don't have any white hats and that one looks pretty pimp.

They have 2 discs released and ready to order

www.discwing.com (http://www.discwing.com)

Maybe if they had put more money into R & D instead of advertising .......?

They have 2 discs released and ready to order

www.discwing.com (http://www.discwing.com)



Yea, right. The Quarter K II has supposedly been released and ready to order for over two years now. http://www.bearclaws.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'll believe it when I see it. Like when these discs are actually in my hands.

so order one and let us know how they fly

so does Johnny potts actually answer the question?

If so, heres one about the new patent"

We have been producing the Illusion now for several years and we feel it has a double convex wing. ( convex on the under camper and the dome is basically a convex as well), hence double convex!

Obviously these are different looking and fling discs, but the concept of the under camber being convexed has been around quite a while. I believe the roadrunner has the same bullet like double convex on the wing as well.
Since your patent doesnt have a "D", it doesn't appear to be a patent issued for design.
I'm guessing it is a utility patent.

My question is; without reading the entire patent, what is the utility function of the invention you were issued a patent for??? ( in laymen terms if possible)

so does Johnny potts actually answer the question?

If so, heres one about the new patent"

We have been producing the Illusion now for several years and we feel it has a double convex wing. ( convex on the under camper and the dome is basically a convex as well), hence double convex!

Obviously these are different looking and fling discs, but the concept of the under camber being convexed has been around quite a while. I believe the roadrunner has the same bullet like double convex on the wing as well.
Since your patent doesnt have a "D", it doesn't appear to be a patent issued for design.
I'm guessing it is a utility patent.

My question is; without reading the entire patent, what is the utility function of the invention you were issued a patent for??? ( in laymen terms if possible)



Dave-

Not Johnny Potts, but the first sentence under "Summary of the Invention:"

"The present invention seeks to improve upon the prior art flying discs, and in particular to further enhance flight efficiency such that a given throw of a disc of the present invention will result in a greater flight distance (range) than the same throw would achieve with a prior art flying disc. "

That's the claimed utility. A disc that goes farther. The patent gets a priority date of Feb 2004 based on it having been filed in the UK then.

So did anyone order these and have you gotten them?

So did anyone order these and have you gotten them?



Yepp. ordered them on friday though, so I probably have to wait a day ore two....

I ordered them the friday before last and have yet to receive them. I guess the trip across the pond will take a bit

anyone from the states order these?

We have been producing the Illusion now for several years and we feel it has a double convex wing. ( convex on the under camper and the dome is basically a convex as well), hence double convex!




I believe the Epic was the first to have undercamber on top and bottom of the wing.

We have been producing the Illusion now for several years and we feel it has a double convex wing. ( convex on the under camper and the dome is basically a convex as well), hence double convex!




I believe the Epic was the first to have undercamber on top and bottom of the wing.



This doesn't make sense to me...undercamber is a noun, not an adjetive. Its the wing itself, from parting line to very bottom edge.

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My question is; without reading the entire patent, what is the utility function of the invention you were issued a patent for??? ( in laymen terms if possible)



Dave-

Not Johnny Potts, but the first sentence under "Summary of the Invention:"

"The present invention seeks to improve upon the prior art flying discs, and in particular to further enhance flight efficiency such that a given throw of a disc of the present invention will result in a greater flight distance (range) than the same throw would achieve with a prior art flying disc. "


That's the claimed utility. A disc that goes farther. The patent gets a priority date of Feb 2004 based on it having been filed in the UK then.

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Thanks for replying. Does this mean it is not a US patent?

I guess I was looking for some sort of technical term for the invention or something specific and NEW to a golf disc, instead of " hey our new discs will fly farther because we say so,,, based on what we believe"


It seems odd to patent something that has already been produced almost 20 years prior to this.
The 1st convexed under cambers were on the Phlazer ( maybe 85) and then on the Cruiser in 1986, so this idea has been around for a pretty long time.
We started producing the Illusions with a convex rim in early 2004 and eventually got it approved in may of 04.



BTW,,
I am looking at an epic, it does not seem convexed on the under-camber at all, in fact its concave ( or at least the one I have is)


has anyone thrown the new discwing disc in the US yet?

It is a US patent.

There was an identical patent filed in the UK by discwing at an earlier date. From a patent standpoint, who was first to invent/file a patent on something matters.

If you invent something in this country, you can file a patent application. You then have up to a year to file a patent application with the European Patent office and they'll count it as if you filed it on the same day as you filed the US application. The reverse is true as well. Being a UK company, they filed at home first.

As for an invention, a disc that flies farther because of some unique feature is patentable.

All that matters are the claims. They are the things that are protected by the patent. They are the items that the patent examiner believed were both novel and not obvious to "one skilled in the art."

If you infringe, or they believe you infringe on the patent, they have the right to sue. In court, you can then either try and prove that you don't infringe, or that the patent is invalid. One way to do that is to prove that there was prior art out there that predates the patent.

I am not an attorney, and this is far from legal advice.

If you have any real concerns, the best advice is to consult a patent attorney...

Seeing QKIIs on Ebay now (such as here (http://cgi.ebay.com/DISCWING-SELECT-QUARTER-K-II-GOLF-DISC-DRIVER-NEW_W0QQitemZ140225288452QQihZ004QQcategoryZ20851Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)), but with no photo, just a schematic illustration. Hmmm . . .

I finally got in all 3 discs after 2 monthes and asking for a refund. They feel very nice. They all came in a sealed bag with a credit card looking COA. The crosshair and trancend are very VERY similar looking and feeling. The QKII is shallow, but pretty comfortable.

How does the QKII fly? Does it have the mythical convex rim?

It does have a convex wing, but the top is flat, maybe even slightly concave. The top look like a TRX or Blurr/Rage top. I haven't tossed it yet, but I've heard its slightly understable at high speeds and overstable at low speeds. Similar to a Valk

So I had some old discs gathering dust in the closet and recently sold several batches of them on eBay. I decided to get a little cheeky and use a small bit of the profits to purchase a Quarter K II from the eBay link Vegan Ray provided above.

I paid for the disc on April 19th and did not receive it until May 10th. Despite supposedly coming from England, three weeks to receive an eBay purchase is pretty much unacceptable in my opinion. Interestingly, the package came from "Breiner Enterprises" in Alpharetta, GA so I don't know what's up with that. Only very reluctantly did I leave positive feedback on eBay.

The disc is jet black with absolutely no markings whatsoever. No disc brand name, no "PDGA approved," no nothing. Just finding a pen and ink that would show up on the disc to write my name and e-mail address was a chore. I hate black discs as experience has shown that they are easily lost. I'm going to be really ticked off if I lose a disc that I paid $26 for.

As compared to the previous Quarter K which was made out of junk plastic softer than butter, the new Shockline� polymer actually feels pretty sturdy. While the rim is EXTREMELY narrow, it feels pretty good in my hands, which are small. Some people with big hands who like deep rims will not like the feel of this disc. The rim is rounded similarly to the previous Quarter K.

I took the disc out for some field testing today. To provide some background information, I've been playing disc golf since 1995, am about 950 rated, and throw 375 feet max on flat ground. I'm no big arm whatsoever. I threw on a flat baseball field with a slight breeze.

I started out by throwing all my Destroyers and Wraiths, getting most of them to flip a bit and make a nice reverse S-curve. I then threw the Quarter K II which flipped over a little more and carried a little further than my farthest Destroyer, so I was quite pleased.

Throwing in another direction and directly into the slight wind, my regular drivers were flipping just a little more. When I delivered the Quarter K II flat into the wind, it turned into a horrible cut roller. This disc is flippy and not very wind resistant at all.

After retrieving my discs and throwing them all again into the same wind, I threw the Quarter K II with a little hyzer angle, and the disc hyzer flipped and rode about 30 feet further than my furthest Destroyer! I was quite impressed.

In summary, this disc feels like a touchy distance driver that will result in ultra long distance throws for most people. I look forward to throwing this disc on wide open holes where pure distance is needed. I do believe that they have finally achieved the "bullet" aerodynamic configuration of the hand-poured prototypes which some big arms threw over 600 feet way back when, and all the years of waiting was apparently worth it. Golfers who normally throw 400-475 feet will surely need to deliver this disc with considerable hyzer angle to avoid flipping the disc over, but the distance rewards may be worth it. The biggest arms, even throwing with extreme hyzer angle, may overpower this disc entirely.

Breiner Industries = Lynx DG Services (lynxdgs.com)

don't lose that wall-hanger!

Breiner Industries(Enterprises, not Industries)= Lynx DG Services (lynxdgs.com)

don't lose that wall-hanger!



Breiner Enterprises = US Distibutor, same as for the QK1.

You should have known that Jeff, as you are usually pretty much up on all things Discwing for the last 7 years. :D

Breiner Enterprises = US Distibutor, same as for the QK1.

You should have known that Jeff, as you are usually pretty much up on all things Discwing for the last 7 years. :D



Keith,

I don't know why you think I have been "up on all things Discwing for the last 7 years." Maybe you have me confused with someone else? I did a search of the message board and it turns out I won a free original Quarter K courtesy of Johnny Van D's Fantasy Disc Golf and UnderPar Disc Golf in June of 2005. I have also never ordered a single thing in my life from from Lynx DG so I would also have no idea that they were Breiner Enterprises. :confused:

Todd works about 2 or 3 jobs, but is slow on the shipping now days..

I miss his 18 wheeler of discs!!!!

Finally got to try these out. Here are my opinions

Crosshair- Only got to throw it, no putts. Very long and glidey. I was leaning into a few and had just a bit of turn to it with a pretty flat fall every time. I was getting these out about 310-320, 20ft further than my challengers. These were also tossed slighly nose up, which is how I usually throw my putters.

Trancend- Looks alost identical to the crosshair, just shallower. Flew alot like my seasoned roc, pretty straight or with an S. Getting a hair bit more distance than my rocs with these downwind, but didn't really preform well upwind. These were faster than a roc, its small diameter, and a bit more glide.

QKII- Wraith/Destroyer speed, tons of glide, Roadrunner stability. Pretty darn flippy. If you can dial it in, I bet it could go a mile. I threw it with an almost spike hyzer angle into a 15mph or so wind and it flipped, hit the ground at about a 75 degree angle and rolled a long way, but not what I was wanting. I may try to tune it because I think this has a ton of potential as a pure D driver, but I don't know if I'd use it on the course. I think this would be a great driver for people with 300 or so distance get a few extra feet out of there drive. The new shockline plastic feel very nice. Its like the shiny, flexy star plastic

I'm gonna give these all some more work. I think there are good discs.

Breiner Industries(Enterprises, not Industries)= Lynx DG Services (lynxdgs.com)

don't lose that wall-hanger!



Breiner Enterprises = US Distibutor, same as for the QK1.




Breiner Enterprises = Ching, Discwing, Latitude 64, Snapdiscsports, Bite apparel, PDGA, BlackJax sports, and misc. stuff like Scorepointes, Nite Izes, Scott Stokely DVDS, etc.

I was going to open a store in Louisville and was gathering suppliers and that is what Breiner Enterprises, Inc. distributed in August of 2007. If you order an on-line PDGA TD test it is emailed to you by Todd (mine was in Dec.07)

If you order an on-line PDGA TD test it is emailed to you by Todd (mine was in Dec.07)




Snail mail...if you are part of an affiliated club..and everyone that is current and claimed by a club is by definition, you can just email Cliff Towne and he will email it to you and mail it off to California like I did in 2002 :D

QKII- Wraith/Destroyer speed, tons of glide, Roadrunner stability. Pretty darn flippy. If you can dial it in, I bet it could go a mile. I threw it with an almost spike hyzer angle into a 15mph or so wind and it flipped, hit the ground at about a 75 degree angle and rolled a long way, but not what I was wanting. I may try to tune it because I think this has a ton of potential as a pure D driver, but I don't know if I'd use it on the course. I think this would be a great driver for people with 300 or so distance get a few extra feet out of there drive.



Yea, that's what I was afraid of when I wrote that big arms may have to deliver the Quarter K II with extreme hyzer angle and may still overpower it entirely. It would probably be a very good tailwind disc for them, or backhand roller.

It is likely best suited for those who throw under 400 to get an extra 40-50 feet.

Does the disc get the extra distance from speed, glide, or that it holds the turn deep into it's flight? For example, I can throw longer hyzers with the destroyer but the glide and added turn of my pro wraiths means i will almost always get them out further despite being slightly slower.

Just wondering if the bullet-rim endows the disc with superior glide or what aerodynamic property makes these discs unique...

If you order an on-line PDGA TD test it is emailed to you by Todd (mine was in Dec.07)




Snail mail...if you are part of an affiliated club..and everyone that is current and claimed by a club is by definition, you can just email Cliff Towne and he will email it to you and mail it off to California like I did in 2002 :D



they email them all now... i just got mine today through Addie.

It is likely best suited for those who throw under 400 to get an extra 40-50 feet.



I like to throw at 80% power. wanna sell me yours? thats EXACTLY what I need.....

Does the disc get the extra distance from speed, glide, or that it holds the turn deep into it's flight? For example, I can throw longer hyzers with the destroyer but the glide and added turn of my pro wraiths means i will almost always get them out further despite being slightly slower.

Just wondering if the bullet-rim endows the disc with superior glide or what aerodynamic property makes these discs unique...



I think it would utilize all 3 if you can get start it with the right right power and angle.

Breiner Enterprises = US Distibutor, same as for the QK1.

You should have known that Jeff, as you are usually pretty much up on all things Discwing for the last 7 years. :D



Keith,

I don't know why you think I have been "up on all things Discwing for the last 7 years." Maybe you have me confused with someone else? I did a search of the message board and it turns out I won a free original Quarter K courtesy of Johnny Van D's Fantasy Disc Golf and UnderPar Disc Golf in June of 2005. I have also never ordered a single thing in my life from from Lynx DG so I would also have no idea that they were Breiner Enterprises. :confused:



Well, remembering the epic battles you used to have with Reese about the discs, I figured you would remember something about them. :D

And seeing that even though you only wrecked cars when you visited Miami , I figured you would know the big Black Trailer that was parked at the host Hotel, and in the park for Payouts at Kendall, but maybe I'm mistaking you for another Jeff LaGrassa. :eek:

I personally don't really worry about it, but to say you know nothing about Discwing until now just kinda surprised me.

Keith

Well, remembering the epic battles you used to have with Reese about the discs, I figured you would remember something about them. :D

And seeing that even though you only wrecked cars when you visited Miami , I figured you would know the big Black Trailer that was parked at the host Hotel, and in the park for Payouts at Kendall, but maybe I'm mistaking you for another Jeff LaGrassa. :eek:

I personally don't really worry about it, but to say you know nothing about Discwing until now just kinda surprised me.

Keith



Keith,

At the risk of belaboring the point, for sure I have had some epic battles with Reese Swinea over Fly18 courses but to my knowledge never over Discwing discs. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I don't remember Reese ever involved with Discwing discs.

And after coming in 2nd to last place at Am Worlds 2002 after totalling my rental car, I was nowhere near any prize trailer. :DI honestly have no clue about anything Lynx.

With regards to the Discwing discs, I will say this: I was one of many who were excited early on to read of hand-poured prototypes that were reportedly thrown over 600 feet. But after incredible delays, I was one of the biggest critics about the production of the original Quarter K. The owner, a PhD in aerodynamics but with absolutely zero knowledge of disc golf disc manufacturing, turned down repeated offers from disc manufacturers with decades of experience to assist him with his endeavors, insisting on going through the learning curves of Disc Manufacturing 101 himself. The end product was a disc whose edges cooled too quickly and did not result in the "bullet" aerodynamic shape of the hand-poured prototype and lacked its potentially world record flight capabilities. The plastic used was also some of the softest, weakest plastic I have ever seen. It made Lightning discs produced in 1995 seem like Champion plastic. :D

The delays in the Quarter K II also approached ridiculousness. The Discwing owner fancied his time with other midrange and approach discs, and produced the original Quarter K in premium plastic. Who wants a flawed disc in premium plastic? Worst of all was that like clockwork, the availability date of the Quarter K II was pushed back every 3-4 months. This went one for literally more than 2 full years!

Now that I've got a Quarter K II in my hands, I so far have found it to be one of my longest drivers and the plastic seems very durable. I am quite pleased with the end result as it suits my throwing power and capabilities. (which should be described as weak at best :D) However, this disc is not very wind resistant and big arms, even when delivered with extreme hyzer angle, will surely overpower this disc into a cut roller.

Anyone else open their sealed collector QKII? I WANT TO IN A BAD WAY!, BUT AS YET HAVE RESISTED TEMPTATION.


If it doesn't say PDGA approved as in a raised lettereing, is it?

Anyone else open their sealed collector QKII? I WANT TO IN A BAD WAY!, BUT AS YET HAVE RESISTED TEMPTATION.


If it doesn't say PDGA approved as in a raised lettereing, is it?



I got to throw someone elses who opened their sets ;) :D

This weekend has been really exciting for us to finally launch our new set of golf discs in two wonderful new plastics.

The highly durable Shockline Quarter K II is our second long distance driver, the foundation stone of Discwing technology, more understable than the Quarter K.

The Baseline Crosshair is a straight flying putt and approach disc that glides forever, Baseline Transcend a dependable mid-range disc to complete a basic set of three.

The reviews of the Select series collectors run discs on this thread have been generally favourable, I look forward to hearing from more of you soon as our new discs filter out to your local retailers.

If youve been wondering about anything or have always wanted to ask me anything then now is your chance.

Jonny Potts

Will the QK be released in Shockline?

At some point we will be releasing the QK in something similar to Shockline but unsure at this stage exactly what form it will take.

the quarter K 2 looks like the fastest disc i have ever seen. how do they fly?
thanks

the quarter K 2 looks like the fastest disc i have ever seen. how do they fly?
thanks

You can read some of my posts upthread, but basically, if you are big arm who already throws more than 400 feet on flat ground then you will easily overpower this disc. It might be useful for a big arm in a strong tailwind. But in the absence of wind or if there is even a small headwind, a big arm is going to flip this disc into a horrible cut roller, even if delivered with extreme hyzer angle.

When I throw it correctly and in the proper conditions, it is my longest disc and I can huck it further than my longest Destroyer or Boss. But again, it is best suited for those who throw under 400 (and I throw well below that) to get an extra 40-50 feet.

I have a QK2 that has been slightly used that i am trying to get rid of, PM ME if u are interested..

might i suggest play it again sports?

i sent you a pm about that qk2 early this am