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Jul 04 2005, 02:10 PM
I know its been covered saying that Barry is getting his name on his choice of disc...and most people said the leopard. Well i was looking through online stores and noticed that ken climo had his name on the champion leopard. I think the site was discgolfvalues, or zonedriven...one of the two. So i was just curious as to how he plans on taking this disc over if kenny already has it? just something i came across....maybe Dave D can help me out on this one......or anyone with further information.

MTL21676
Jul 04 2005, 03:56 PM
Kenny has never had the Leopard...can't think of all 11....heres 10 of them....anyone know the 11th??

Heres what I know

Roc
Aviar
Teebird
Firebird
Eagle
Whippet
Gazelle
Cheetah
Viper
Pegasus

coda_hatfield
Jul 04 2005, 05:07 PM
he should put it on the Orc

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 04 2005, 05:42 PM
Deleted due to user stupidity!! :o

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 04 2005, 05:43 PM
he should put it on the Orc



I think the Leopard has more lasting power...the Orc is the bandwagon disc right now, but who knows whats next. Whereas the leopard has been out for years, and is still rather under-rated.

MTL21676
Jul 04 2005, 06:16 PM
Kenny has never had the Leopard...can't think of all 11....heres 10 of them....anyone know the 11th??

Heres what I know

Roc
Aviar
Teebird
Firebird
Eagle
Whippet
Gazelle
Cheetah
Viper
Pegasus



Firebird.



amazing

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 04 2005, 06:34 PM
amazing



Yeah, thats what happens when you have like 5 windows open...MY BAD!!! :o :(

coda_hatfield
Jul 04 2005, 09:44 PM
but who doesn't have an orc in their bag, alot more than a leopard.

Plankeye
Jul 04 2005, 09:49 PM
tizzle...11th is banshee

bschweberger
Jul 04 2005, 09:53 PM
Kenny has never had the Leopard...can't think of all 11....heres 10 of them....anyone know the 11th??

Heres what I know

Roc
Aviar
Teebird
Firebird
Eagle
Whippet
Gazelle
Cheetah
Viper
Pegasus

The Raven.

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 04 2005, 10:10 PM
but who doesn't have an orc in their bag, alot more than a leopard.



Not me! :oBut I do see your point, a lot of people throw them.

adogg187420
Jul 04 2005, 11:46 PM
It would be a good guess to say 90% of Innova throwers have an Orc in their bag.

Jul 05 2005, 04:40 AM
As i said before it was something i wanted your ( pdga posters) opinons on, it was just something i came across online, and looking for someone to clear it up for me.

great thanks.

Znash
Jul 05 2005, 10:42 AM
It would be a good guess to say 90% of Innova throwers have an Orc in their bag.

It would be a good guess that 90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.

eddie_ogburn
Jul 05 2005, 10:54 AM
It would be a good guess that 90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.



I love the orc and I've got plenty of snap. Its the Indian not the arrow.

scoop
Jul 05 2005, 11:26 AM
It would be a good guess to say 90% of Innova throwers have an Orc in their bag.

It would be a good guess that 90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.



Hysterical....if you're going to quote a post and then use the term "noodle arm" to refute that post...maybe your point wouldn't look so foolish if the guy you were quoting couldn't throw a disc about 300' farther than nearly everybody else.

What say you, Coda, does your "noodle-armed"-self have an Orc in the bag?

Znash
Jul 05 2005, 11:35 AM
A CFR Starfire will do the job just as well expecally if you have an arm.

Znash
Jul 05 2005, 11:38 AM
It would be a good guess to say 90% of Innova throwers have an Orc in their bag.

It would be a good guess that 90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.



Hysterical....if you're going to quote a post and then use the term "noodle arm" to refute that post...maybe your point wouldn't look so foolish if the guy you were quoting couldn't throw a disc about 300' farther than nearly everybody else.

What say you, Coda, does your "noodle-armed"-self have an Orc in the bag?

I didn't hurt your fillings now did I Rooster?

Znash
Jul 05 2005, 11:40 AM
Too bad!

scoop
Jul 05 2005, 11:44 AM
I didn't hurt your fillings now did I Rooster?



Hurt my "fillings" [sic]? Dude, I was making fun of you! There were no "fillings" [sic] at all involved.

Znash
Jul 05 2005, 11:48 AM
Some of the worst players talk some of the most sh<font color="black">it.</font>

scoop
Jul 05 2005, 01:19 PM
Some of the worst players talk some of the most sh<font color="black">it.</font>



I don't see that correlation at all. Steve Millz talks more shite than nearly anybody. But, there's little doubt that the kid's a pretty **** good disc golfer.

Then there's Kevin McCoy....who has taken trash-talking to an art form. And he's not such a bad golfer either.

Besides, one doesn't have to be a great disc golfer to call BS when they see it.

So what if I'm not a great disc golfer...I excell at so many other facets of life, that time spent throwing discs in the park is just something that brings me happiness in life. I definitely don't define me sense of worth based on my ability to play a game. But if that works for you...

MTL21676
Jul 05 2005, 01:26 PM
Some of the worst players talk some of the most sh<font color="black">it.</font>



I happen to think I'm a fairly decent golfer and a fairly good chit talker....the later the most important.

And I snap hard as crap and throw the mess outta of an orc - so does Schweb btw.....

ANHYZER
Jul 05 2005, 01:36 PM
90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.



I've got mad snap...ask ANYONE in SoCal if I can crush an Orc 450'+ with a hyzerflip and they'll tell you what's up.

pterodactyl
Jul 05 2005, 09:10 PM
My grandmother says she's never heard of you!

ANHYZER
Jul 06 2005, 05:40 AM
Your mom has

colin-evans
Jul 06 2005, 01:55 PM
:D

Jul 06 2005, 02:07 PM
"I definitely don't define my sense of worth based on my ability to play a game."

this has got to be the best wordage EVER on this board!

m_conners
Jul 06 2005, 04:21 PM
I throw an Orc around 400'...anybody who calls the orc a "noodle arm disc" is full of horse manure.

millerd
Jul 06 2005, 04:43 PM
Saw Barry last year at a clinic. He said the Leopard was his favorite driver. He caraterized it as a fast Roc. I'm sure he wants his name on a disc that he likes.

coda_hatfield
Jul 06 2005, 05:21 PM
I can throw farther than pretty much anyone, and I throw an Orc, Have put it about 750' with a 360, and I put alot of snap on it, if you consider that noodle arm i guess I am

seewhere
Jul 06 2005, 05:24 PM
noodle arm :D

coda_hatfield
Jul 06 2005, 05:27 PM
this guy is a noodle arm ^

m_conners
Jul 06 2005, 05:30 PM
I've seen the snap Coda puts on plastic....OOOOOHHH WEEEEOOOWWWWWW that went far!!

:D

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 06 2005, 07:13 PM
I can throw farther than pretty much anyone, and I throw an Orc, Have put it about 750' with a 360, and I put alot of snap on it, if you consider that noodle arm i guess I am



As impressive as that is, what do you throw for golf shots?

schwaggies
Jul 06 2005, 09:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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****** bag.

cbdiscpimp
Jul 07 2005, 12:59 AM
As impressive as that is, what do you throw for golf shots?



Ive heard from quite a few top pros that Coda can throw golf shots almost 600' and top pros dont tend to lie about stupid stuff like how far people can throw.

But really doesnt matter since there arent alot of holes where you "need" to throw 600 ft shots. I think if Coda came and played the Monster Hole at Hudson Mills that they may have to add another par to its history :eek:

coda_hatfield
Jul 07 2005, 01:03 AM
I never throw a 360' or even full power in a tournament, but I will throw it around 600.

cbdiscpimp
Jul 07 2005, 01:16 AM
You should come to Ann Arbor just to par the Monster Hole. There is a 100 dollar bounty on it ( in tournaments ) and I would pay you 25 bucks just to witness it :D

vwkeepontruckin
Jul 07 2005, 02:01 AM
I meant what disc do you throw. I know he can throw 600'...I wasn't questioning that, so watch where/who you call a ****** bag...it was just a misunderstanding.

jasonc
Jul 07 2005, 02:04 AM
I never throw a 360' or even full power in a tournament, but I will throw it around 600.



As long as he doesn't hit that stupid twig sticking up out of the wood pile 15' in front of him . Are the Okie's headin down for the Fling Rookie, I've got you taken care of if you are :D.

coda_hatfield
Jul 07 2005, 02:36 AM
I use an ORC

m_conners
Jul 07 2005, 12:15 PM
Atleast 3 of us will be there.

Jul 07 2005, 02:17 PM
I can throw farther than pretty much anyone,



I have seen Mark Hedstrom throw a SLOW 10X TeeBird 600 feet, without a 360, would love to see what he could do with the "NEW" fast plastic.

seewhere
Jul 08 2005, 11:03 AM
bring it rookie. lets see what you got at 38.. :o

Jul 08 2005, 11:32 AM
It would be a good guess to say 90% of Innova throwers have an Orc in their bag.

It would be a good guess that 90% of the noodle arms have an Orc in their bag, but if you have any snap the disc is poo.



Zack, your arm ain't all that. It's bad technique that causes you to flip your Orcs. Your dad Bo can throw an Orc pretty far. And I can throw an Orc farther than you can throw a Starfire :o I won't ask you why you think Schweb carries Orcs.

Jul 25 2005, 11:19 PM
Just wondering about the potential of Disc Golf and potentially making a Living at it...............
I know Schultz's winnings last year was about 37k. Does that
include Bonuses from Innova finishing at certain Levels in a Big Tourney, Signature Discs Sales etc....
And from this 37k did he have any out of pocket expenditures like Hotels, gas, food etc..or did Innova cover all this ???

Not trying to be nosey but just trying to figure out if someday Disc Golf could be a potential full time Living.

Maybe I am dreaming but you have to start somewhere :)

MTL21676
Jul 25 2005, 11:47 PM
37 K is strictly tournament winnings, and the NT bonus.

his Innova deal is seperate is not public information.

jmonny
Jul 26 2005, 10:08 PM
There is a good article in the last DGWN about sponsored player bonuses and equipment . For fun I figured out what some top Innova players earned in bonuses for finishing high in majors, NT and ST events. Barry earned over $6,000 extra, Kenny over $4,000 and Schweb over $2,000.
Gateway treats their few sponsored players very well too by covering most travel expenses.

Jul 28 2005, 01:36 PM
Hi all.
As a past touring pro, I have a suggestion for Discndisciple. Follow your dreams, young man and play the game with wreckless excitement and obvious arousement (when possible). The money will come. Heck, when I started, all I had was a rusted out Lebaron that I 'borrowed' from my senile grandmother, a lockett containing a strand of hair torn from the scalp of Steady Ed Headrick, and a dream to lazily follow in the path of all underachievers. What a perfect home I found for myself.
Like I said, surrender yourself and the game will provide. Just look at Barry Shultz's year. He has already raked in over 14 g's!!!! Including a cool 160 bones for capturing this years 'Big Show' tourney back in February.
I hear he has parlayed this year's earnings into significantly large holdings in fledgling technology companies, including personally funding research into a toothpaste that actually can redeposit enamel onto rotten teeth.
Also, I know that he has recently plunked down several hundred downpayment dollars on a single wide in Alladin Village, right off of I95.
How's that for a modern day DG success story!
Good luck.

dwiggmd
Jul 28 2005, 07:32 PM
All kidding aside, I believe the topic is a fair one. One way for disc golf to attract the next generation of professionals is to reassure them it it is possible for one's true profession to be disc golf - not simply a serious hobby one works around the necessity to earn enough to support oneself and a family if one so desires.

This is not to say that disc golf can or should even try to currently compete with more mainstream sports in this regard. It is only to say that if top pros are making a decent living, it would benefit the sport in general and as a result those providing the income for the top pros to make this fact common knowledge. Lacking such information, a reasonable person must assume that one cannot make much of a living paying disc golf.

Jul 28 2005, 07:35 PM
I guess it all depends on ones standard of living comfortably.
is the grass greener over there than it is here? I highly doubt it, as I don't think I would give up my steady income on chance, but that is me

dwiggmd
Jul 28 2005, 07:48 PM
I read that Schweb (a top pro) lived hand to mouth touring in an old RV with a couple buddies. Someone told me Barry Schultz lives with his folks. I might be wrong on both counts. Sounds romantic for a year or two (the touring with buddies at least), but neither is something I'd recommend as a career. I'd say the ability to afford to live on one's own and support one's family without the need of another job is the minimum standard for a true profession.

For me, I'm too old and too incompetent to even consider it. I know of quite a few excellent younger players that have ruled disc golf out as a profession for just the above reasons.

I believe, based on my limited knowledge, that disc golf is not yet at the point where even the top pros can make a living at it. One thing I don't know is if it is even moving in that direction at all or enough to give encouragement to those who have a few years to decide.

Moderator005
Jul 28 2005, 09:40 PM
his Innova deal is seperate is not public information.



even I can spell separate :D

Jul 31 2005, 08:26 AM
Former world champs Ron Russel and Cam Todd recently switched careers.

seewhere
Aug 01 2005, 05:35 PM
no one does FULL TIME TOURING for more than 2-4 years the $$ is not there. If someone is touring more than that than they have another income other than disc Golf. How about the insurance and 401 K benefits are there any ? thanks but no thanks

Aug 01 2005, 05:37 PM
word up! gots to have the beni's..
too bad there is no players union

rhett
Aug 01 2005, 10:44 PM
word up! gots to have the beni's..
too bad there is no players union


What would a player's union do? The only thing you could do is boycott tourneys, but TDs already work for free to make the payout as large as they can so that wouldn't do anything except p!ss off the people who enable some pros to live the dream of being on the road.

widiscgolf
Aug 01 2005, 11:18 PM
Unless you are Ken Climo, and Barry Schultz with disc royalties and win majority of the time. lol

rhett
Aug 02 2005, 03:46 AM
I still don't see it. There would have to be somethin akin to "owners" making big coin off of tourneys for a union to do any good. There has to be a "pie" first, before anybody can get their fair sized "piece" of it.

For the record, I am very much pro-union and an ex union goon.

dwiggmd
Aug 02 2005, 09:34 AM
More importantly, (for some at least) is what direction are things heading? The total payout for the worlds was not too bad. Is the total payout for the PDGA tour increasing year over year? This might be information that could be published. I saw in DGWN the "top 50 payouts" so far this year. That kind of information if compared to past years would be very helpful to this sort of discussion

ross
Aug 02 2005, 10:59 AM
A different model would be something akin to the National Writers Union or the National Organizers Alliance which basically use their size to organize discounted health insurance and pension schemes for their members who are all independent (i.e. work freelance for a bunch of different clients). A traditional union wouldn't work since there are not "owners" per se that touring pros are working for.

Aug 02 2005, 12:25 PM
a players union would let the players represent themselves for starters, and to offer a insurance plan. Oh yeah, maybe union dues could pay for the work that needs to be done.

Aug 02 2005, 01:16 PM
a players union would let the players represent themselves for starters, and to offer a insurance plan. Oh yeah, maybe union dues could pay for the work that needs to be done.



Are you saying that sponsors should offer insurance plans?

Aug 02 2005, 01:33 PM
not at all? not even sure where you came up with that, but if you got that from what I typed, I am sorry about not being clear.

actually the word sponser is not even in my sentance.

Aug 02 2005, 02:02 PM
not at all? not even sure where you came up with that, but if you got that from what I typed, I am sorry about not being clear.

actually the word sponser is not even in my sentance.



I know you didn't say anything about the sponsors, I had to guess who would be paying for insurance. If not the sponsors, then who? If it was the PDGA then I'm guessing that dues would skyrocket which would mean that the players would be paying for it anyway. I really don't know how all of these independent TDs would organize paying for all of these players' insurance. Would they have to go back through the union and pay the union for the players' insurance? If they did that then it would end up back on the players in the form of higher entry fees and lower payouts.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't have a concept of how a players' union would work. Do they do something similar in auto racing, golf or tennis?

Aug 02 2005, 02:38 PM
real slow.... the players would pay dues that could very well pay for "health" insurance, hence the name of the players union. I am talking health insurance, I was not clear on that earlier.

Aug 02 2005, 03:00 PM
real slow.... the players would pay dues that could very well pay for "health" insurance, hence the name of the players union. I am talking health insurance, I was not clear on that earlier.



If they players are paying dues that would pay for health insurance, then how is that different than them just paying for health insurance themselves? I suppose you could be talking about some sort of bulk discount with an agreement between the "union" and the health insurance company, but I'm not sure that's really a union.

Aug 02 2005, 03:53 PM
This union could support a golfer when there is an issue with the governing body of our sport. You know someone to have our backs(not just the elite). Money put aside for tragic moments in our fellow golfers lives.

Chainiac
Aug 29 2005, 12:25 PM
Thank you Barry Schultz.

On Saturday I played in Mad City Open in the Amateur division. I was surprised to see you there when we finished the second round. Since the Pro and Advanced divisions didn�t play until Sunday (on different courses) I couldn�t figure out why a player of your caliber would be sitting around an AM tournament. I assume your schedule keeps you away from home more than you or your fianc� would like but there you were talking with some of the juniors and amateurs. You were very approachable in an age where athletes that are at or near the top of their sport can be very snobbish or distant. Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Ron Artest, and many other names and incidents bombard us on a daily basis with the negative side of sports. I also read the PDGA discussion board and find some very useful information there at times but more often than not I find a lot of negativity there. I found it very refreshing to observe you be the first person to ask the TD if he needed any help putting things away. Wow, the #1 player in the world being the first person to ask if he could help out (at an Amateur tournament). You set a great example because the rest of us that were still hanging around quickly joined in and made easy work of it.

Let me just say that from what I observed on Saturday you are a great ambassador for the sport of disc golf, the great state of Wisconsin, and Innova. I also got the feeling this is the way you are all of the time. You weren�t just being this nice because it was a disc golf tournament. You would have been the same person had you been at a church picnic, baseball game, movie theater, car wash, etc. You�ve probably been this way all along but I�m relatively new to the sport and this was my first opportunity to meet you.

I�m sure there are other players at the top level of disc golf that act responsibly and promote the sport in a positive light but too often we only hear the whinning, name calling, and player behavior problems associated with a small minority of them.

Thanks Barry for just being you.

Aug 29 2005, 02:30 PM
Thank you Barry!
Thank you Chainiac!

Fortunately, if we all posted every decent thing a dger did every day, this board would crash daily.

Most importantly, chainiac's post is a reminder to all of us that we are all being watched ALL OF THE TIME!

Put forth your best effort out there, ALL THE TIME. Everybody thanks you!

rhett
Aug 29 2005, 09:01 PM
Yea Barry.

I remember this one time, at band camp....

No, wait! It was The Wintertime Open a couple of years ago. Tourney was over and there was Barry, hanging out and helping clean up. There was this giant blue tarp that we were all trying to get folded.

It was very cool to have a top pro hang out and do all that. I distinctly remember thinking what a cool game this is when that happened.

Birdie
Aug 29 2005, 09:18 PM
Does Barry post on the board? Or Ken Climo?

MTL21676
Aug 29 2005, 09:52 PM
Kenny use to - he still has a log on name.....I don't think Barry posts, but you never know who reads this.

keithjohnson
Aug 30 2005, 01:25 AM
Yea Keith.

I remember this one time, at band camp....

No, wait! It was several so-cal events over the last few years.When the tourney was setting up and also when it was over and there was Keith, hanging out and helping clean up. There was this giant blue tarp that we were all trying to get folded.

It was very cool to have a top pro hang out and do all that. I distinctly remember thinking what a cool game this is when that happened.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

THANKS RHETT!!!

And i'll happily be helping you out again in a few weeks as that's what we top pro's like to do....give back to the sport we love!

m_conners
Aug 30 2005, 05:49 PM
ZBoaz Open - I helped Brian Mace put away folding tables and merchandise, while drinking off the Fat Tire Keg he provided...I just want to give back to the game :D

CAMBAGGER
Aug 30 2005, 06:57 PM
yeah, but you suck O'Conners :D

MTL21676
Aug 30 2005, 09:13 PM
yeah, but you suck O'Conners :D




HAHAHAHAHAH

m_conners
Aug 31 2005, 01:15 PM
yeah, but you suck O'Conners :D



Yeah, tell me about it...maybe Barry can do some "hanging around the course" and teach me to play golf. Is that too much to ask of a World Champion?

CAMBAGGER
Aug 31 2005, 06:29 PM
I love you MAN! :D Vegas is COMING! Best wishes at your funeral...I mean wedding.

dischick
Sep 01 2005, 11:10 AM
i think that barry, aside from one of the best disc golfers to ever live is a world class nice guy. one of the nicest people out there.
i had to play in a tournament round with him at the mad city open, first round of course, and i was all nervouse the day before. thinkin... how can i ever shoot my game with world champ barry schultz in my group? i was nervouse as all heII, and mananged to shank every shot possible... except one... being a fairway ace. even though i played my worst tournament round ever, he made the round so comfortable and enjoyable.
thank you barry schultz!

Sep 05 2005, 01:01 AM
he's from wisconSON!

Sep 08 2005, 07:16 PM
Just wondering about this proclamation ??
Does Barry mean this in absolute or relative terms ??
I mean come on people this guy is one of the best to ever live !!!
Maybe he meant his forehand compared to other top Pros.
Or maybe how this form compares to the rest of his superior game.

In otherwards ,if he switched down to Advance for one day wouldn't his forehand just blow everyone of the other Advance players' forehand away ?? No contest right ??

I figured the guy is such a cool and top notch human being he is just being humble when he says this.

I guess its kind of like when Carl Lewis was saying how he loved the 200 meter and was so weak in the 100 meter.
Yeah right :cool:

Just being relative I guess !! :D

ck34
Sep 08 2005, 07:27 PM
There are many top pros who have minimal skills with thumbers, forehand or rollers. Because we mostly have to design courses in public parks, it's difficult to really force shots other than backhand so you can go far with a good one. Even then, it may only be one or two holes where they might not do as well with a backhand as a forehand so it only hurts them for a shot here and there. They can easily make it up with their putting skill since it's easier for that level of player than ball golf putting (see other threads on this).

Sep 08 2005, 09:06 PM
"There are many top pros who have minimal skills with thumbers, forehand or rollers."


Wow, maybe I am just naive since I have been playing only a year this month...........But I am even learning the shots you just mentioned.
Can't imagine a top World Pro not having those shots down pat??

I guess it does say something about Disc Golf Course Design at its present state

ck34
Sep 08 2005, 09:18 PM
I'm not sure it says much about design because it's pretty hard to force a shot even under ideal design conditions unless we actually require players to make certain throws (which has been discussed and rejected as appropriate). These top guys (and gals) don't necessarily look bad making those throws but they may not have anywhere near the distance or accuracy of some Advanced players who use that shot as their bread and butter. One of our past state champions now plays Master and I've seen him throw a forehand once every 2-3 years when he's absolutely forced to from some schule and I can't remember him throwing a roller.

The pros who have more overall skills are typically older (35+) and have been around the sport a long time because they have likely done other Frisbee sports where those shots are used regularly.

The SkillShot challenge which is part of the EDGE program is one way to see, develop and test those skills. Several top pros are participating. Des Reading said she's really improved her forehand and rollers now that she's teaching it.

chris
Sep 08 2005, 09:29 PM
I have played many rounds with Barry and have never once seen him throw a forehand off of the tee ( I've seen him throw maybe 2-3 thumbers ) I would have to say his forehand is not very good. Why would you need a forehand when you're the best backhand turnover thrower in the world anyway? :)

coda_hatfield
Sep 09 2005, 12:26 AM
evidently it doesn't matter

esalazar
Sep 09 2005, 09:48 AM
Why would you need a forehand when you're the best backhand turnover thrower in the world anyway? :)



exactly!!! :D

Sep 09 2005, 03:39 PM
" Why would you need a forehand when you're the best backhand turnover thrower in the world anyway? "

Yep thats true. Proof is in the pudding. I guess its similiar to Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson. Tiger is the best player in the World who has mastered most of the shots required in Golf.

However, around the Green, Mickelson is king and has a few shots that no one else in the World has. Sure Woods record pretty much wipes away Mickelson's but its neat as a spectator to view a human being like Mickelson who has mastered every shot and then some... :cool:

Lyle O Ross
Sep 09 2005, 04:39 PM
Go read Scott Stokely's stuff. He had every shot in the bag (or at least it seems that way). I believe he still holds the forehand world distance record 550 feet give or take.

As Chuck pointed out, when all of those shots are required the best players will have them. The problem with having to learn all those shots is having to learn all those shots. No one is going to unless it makes a difference.

For fun get the USDGC DVD from last year. Leyva throws an offhand forehand shot for about 200 feet that lays in at the basket... Beautiful shot!

Lyle O Ross
Sep 09 2005, 04:46 PM
One other thing, being good at a shot is not the same as being great at a shot or even having mastered a shot. Barry has for the most part mastered the backhand in all it's forms. Being good at a forehand is not the same as having mastered the backhand turnover shot. My guess is a top player wouldn't want to use a shot that he was anything but absolutely sure he could hit.

If you want to see a top pro who uses other shots, watch Rico. Backhand, forehand, rollers and air shots, he uses them all.

johnrock
Sep 09 2005, 04:57 PM
Scott's forehand throws were incredible. I witnessed one shot here that was part of a demonstration. I marked 50 foot intervals on the ground on hole #4 prior to his demo, and his forehand shot went past 450ft! Into the wind!! Amazing.

Scott was a very good overall player, and not just in Disc Golf. He was always at or near the top of every type of tournament I saw him compete in.

Sep 10 2005, 08:58 AM
I was amazed to find out that almost all the best disc golfers, Ken Climo, Steve Rico, etc., don't even have a basic chicken wing in their bag, except during lunch

Sep 10 2005, 03:28 PM
Whats a chickenwing ?? (the nonedible type)

ck34
Sep 10 2005, 05:55 PM
Overhand wrist flip throw where your arm looks like chicken wing in the process. Maybe Greenwell, Salaz, Voakes or another KY vet could show you sometime, although I don't think any of them use that throw except for fun.

adogg187420
Sep 10 2005, 06:29 PM
At Worlds last year in Des Moines, it was the second hole of the final 9. Barry's drive ended up a little right and behind the big pine trees, about 90-100 feet short of the basket, but you couldnt see it from where he was at. It would have been the easiest flick shot you could ever throw for your upshot to the basket for an easy three. It was my first time seeing Barry play, and i saw him waving his arm to do a back hand throw. I was like what the heck is he doing? Then he finessed a short, high, anhyzer shot that faded right by the basket and almost went in. Then i realized he must not throw forehand for that exact reason.

Sep 10 2005, 07:02 PM
Forehand is not a very good shot for parking baskets from close range like 90 feet. It tends to go and keep on going like the Energizer, and skips past the basket. Forehand is best for crushing down narrow wooded fairways that fade right a little. It's good for hitting very narrow gaps and windows because it's super accurate. Great for tee shots. The S-curve forehand is a powerful weapon for some shots. But 90 foot upshots to the basket, it's tricky getting a forehand to park within your putting zone or getting it to float down nice and soft like a backhand approach shot does.

adogg187420
Sep 10 2005, 07:09 PM
If you were there you would have known. It was all grassy, a 5 year old could have thrown it and parked it, but he was going for it.

xterramatt
Sep 12 2005, 11:01 PM
Best Lefty Chicken-winger right here.

I throw em with Rocs (mostly), Aeros, Aviars, Jaguars, and leopards (sometimes).

I know the chicken wing is not a core disc golf shot, but it definitely fills a void that the sidearm doesn't. You simply can't stall sidearm shots on hard turning short holes. The chicken wing stalls better than any shot, pretty much. I park holes that righties have trouble with throwing backhand. the chicken wing isn't about snap, it's about momentum and fluidity. basically you are propelling the disc forward with less spin than a forehand (fastest spinning) or a backhand (fast spinning).

Hold the disc as you would a powergrip. thumb on top, 4 fingers under. now, take the disc and flip it over in your hand against your palm. you should have the thumb under the disc and the palm and fingers on top. turn your wrist inward and the disc will sit up level with the playing surface.

now [I'm a potty-mouth!] your wrist back so the disc rests against you wrist. pull your arm back like a sidearm (but your arm is flipped over the other way) still with your wrist cocked back. propel your arm forward with wrist still cocked, and when it reaches the limit of your reach, the disc will pull away from your hand, the cocked wrist will provide spin as it snaps out of your grip.

If you want to learn it, start with an ultimate lid, it's the most forgiving and will teach you more than you'll learn from golf discs. When you can throw a lid accurately over 100 feet, it'll be time to try a golf disc. the lighter and least stable the better. Not a driver. a cobra would be a good first disc to try.

Some people say the chicken wing is bad because it is unnatural and promotes shoulder damage, but if it is used discreetly, and never with 100% power (this is why you use understable type discs) then you should be okay.

It's always fun to bust one out with a group of guys you play with a lot. Of course, it's only fun when the disc actually flies where you want it.

stretch beforehand and don't attempt the chickenwing if you have a weak shoulder due to dislocation or collarbone break. I've done both, but knew the throw beforehand.

I can also throw a good righty chicken wing with a lid too. It's a really good lid throw, accurate and produces zero flutter if done right.

Oh, and I am a lame sidearmer. I stopped using the wing for a while to build up my sidearm, but there are shots I am way more confident with the wing, so I reincorporated it into my game.

Sep 13 2005, 08:07 AM
I throw chicken wings too, I have to lick my fingers afterwards

crotts
Sep 13 2005, 10:50 PM
chicken wings dont hurt your shoulder. i throw them all the time. and i throw alot if my arm or shoulder is hurting.

: ) :

Sep 14 2005, 02:22 AM
You simply can't stall sidearm shots on hard turning short holes.

Yes, you can. I love this shot on short holes.

adogg187420
Sep 14 2005, 11:02 AM
Just aim more to the left. Otherwise you may have to do a 100 ft. jump putt. :eek:

Sep 14 2005, 11:24 AM
I heard Barry Schultz admit he didn't like mustard!

smurphy29
Oct 15 2006, 12:55 PM
Since Barry has recently won the USDGC for the third time and has been one of the top players for several years, I was just curious if he has pursued other types of sponsorship? I know he has his main Innova sponsorship. It seems like he could capitalize while he is on top. I realize Kenny Climo is and has been the premier name(player). Maybe Barry doesn't have an interest in getting more sponsors(money) or maybe I a little to optomistic that players would buy products that his name is attached to.

ChrisWoj
Oct 15 2006, 07:32 PM
Doesn't Barry have a Saloman sponsorship and something involved with a motel?

rtinsa
Oct 15 2006, 07:35 PM
Barry is sponsored by Microtel! I met the guy down here in Live Oak Texas for the Texas 10 Final. Very nice discer!

jaxx
Oct 16 2006, 03:29 PM
yeah he had some shirts with the microtel logo embroidered on them along with innova and salomon he was wearing at USDGC

friZZaks
Oct 16 2006, 03:44 PM
he has many sponsors..

xterramatt
Oct 16 2006, 09:01 PM
Everyone who buys a Barry Beast or te new Barry Leopard is a Barry sponsor. I doubt he'll stitch your name on his shirt though.... :)

smurphy29
Oct 16 2006, 09:13 PM
Never to many sponsors. Both he and Kenny should make high quality instructional videos with some tourney highlights.

circle_2
Oct 16 2006, 09:19 PM
...and sell the Ad~Space on their DG bags and cars...a la NASCAR & NHRA!

smurphy29
Oct 16 2006, 11:18 PM
I guess you would only need a couple sponsors if the money for each sponsor was enough. Would about 50 grand in sponsorship be enough to live on comfortable. Many expences, travel cost, health ins.

xterramatt
Oct 17 2006, 08:26 AM
would it for you?

smurphy29
Oct 17 2006, 08:40 AM
I will take that deal if one of my sponsors provides family health insurance. Oh yea, I would need to get a company to see some benefit in sponsoring me first. I would like to get some major regional company to pay me about 50,000 to run around 10 sanctioned tournies in the mid-west.

twoputtok
Oct 17 2006, 10:11 AM
The family health insurance portion of it would eat up about 11K for the year. :o

MADCITYDISC
Oct 17 2006, 10:31 AM
If I'm not mistaken Barry already has insurance through Innova. As far a s making the instructional video goes. Barry gets a total of about 8 weeks of downtime from disc and travel all year. I doubt he would want to spend his small amount of free time making a video.

MADCITYDISC
Oct 17 2006, 10:39 AM
Also we need more of these "spectators" if anyone is gonna want to drop 50k on ANY player. Including Barry or Kenny. Who is gonna see the logo enough to make it worth the while of a big corporation to kick down that kind of advertising dollars? I'm not trying to shoot down the idea of big sponsorship or be a pecemist, but this is the reality of the situation at hand. If nobody is there to see the logo, then what's the point. If we had galeries the size of the USDGC's or Worlds at every A tier, then we might be getting somewhere. Until that happens though, don't expect any MAJOR corporations to be banging down Disc Golf's door.

Pizza God
Oct 17 2006, 05:42 PM
Hey, what shoe company sponsors Barry???? He said it at the MJCO, but I forgot which one it was.

m_conners
Oct 17 2006, 05:49 PM
Salomon

gnduke
Oct 17 2006, 06:46 PM
Living on the road 40 weeks a year and not relying on the charity of friends for food and lodging would take all of that $50K and probably a bit more.

It wouldn't leave much to make house or car payments.

smurphy29
Oct 17 2006, 10:53 PM
You are right about the cost of being on the road. It may be more cost adventageous to take a couple weeks off of tour and work with a quality company to make a disc golf video. Some of the smaller tournaments may not provide very much money even with a first place finish.

denny1210
Oct 17 2006, 11:09 PM
Also we need more of these "spectators" if anyone is gonna want to drop 50k on ANY player. Including Barry or Kenny. Who is gonna see the logo enough to make it worth the while of a big corporation to kick down that kind of advertising dollars? I'm not trying to shoot down the idea of big sponsorship or be a pecemist, but this is the reality of the situation at hand. If nobody is there to see the logo, then what's the point. If we had galeries the size of the USDGC's or Worlds at every A tier, then we might be getting somewhere. Until that happens though, don't expect any MAJOR corporations to be banging down Disc Golf's door.



yep! the single most important factor for the future of outside sponsorship is the average gallery size. if everyone that plays the sport makes a point of coming out to spectate for the pro final rounds and brings 3-4 friends then we'll have taken a big step forward towards attracting sponsors.

Pizza God
Oct 18 2006, 12:43 AM
well, after looking at the salomon and Bite shoes, I went with Bite High distance shoes.

I already use hiking boots to play disc golf and I will be able to use them for Boy Scouts too.

Onlineshoes.com had the best price for them. (only because of no shipping charges) $89.95

I hope they get here by Friday morning (3 day shipping) Then I can break them in this weekend at WATERLOOOO!

Pizza God
Oct 18 2006, 12:44 AM
BTW, I have NEVER paid this much for a pair of shoes before in my life. (I think I got some hiking boots for $45 one time)

md21954
Oct 18 2006, 08:50 AM
yep! the single most important factor for the future of outside sponsorship is the average gallery size.



or television coverage.

denny1210
Oct 18 2006, 07:49 PM
galleries will attract sponsors which will pay for television coverage.

Oct 19 2006, 12:45 PM
I think one thing that has been overlooked is the importance of Consumables Sponsors. I know Vitamin Water has been involved up north. What about companies that manufacutre energy/endurance products, i.e. - cliff bar's , power bars, Gatorade, Powerade, etc.........
There could be a large market potential...... The PDGA needs to find the way to ponie up some money for a publisist. Unrealistic, yes! Beneficial, definately!
Research what the PBA did in the eighties, it helped big time!

Oct 19 2006, 12:51 PM
Did a little snooping around... At the Solamon home page, they have a section entitled " Athletes " Barry is not listed there. Did a search on the web-site- no mention of Barry. I wonder just how involved they are in his disc golf sponsorship????
I am going to snoop around on the Bite web-site, be back soon!

Oct 19 2006, 12:55 PM
Did a little snooping around... At the Solamon home page, they have a section entitled " Athletes " Barry is not listed there. Did a search on the web-site- no mention of Barry. I wonder just how involved they are in his disc golf sponsorship????
I am going to snoop around on the Bite web-site, be back soon!



That did not take long, Kenny is on the home page.......
That is a true indication of a company willing to tap into a fresh market. My hat's off to bite shoes. I tried to get in touch with the fine folks @ Merrell, no go. As much as I like the Merrell product, I think my next purchase will be from Bite!

ChrisWoj
Oct 19 2006, 04:00 PM
BTW, I have NEVER paid this much for a pair of shoes before in my life. (I think I got some hiking boots for $45 one time)

Just by that statement I can tell you didn't run XC or Track ;)

((sigh))... ahh how I miss spending $120.00 on spikes...

Furthur
Oct 21 2006, 12:27 PM
BTW, I have NEVER paid this much for a pair of shoes before in my life. (I think I got some hiking boots for $45 one time)

Just by that statement I can tell you didn't run XC or Track ;)

((sigh))... ahh how I miss spending $120.00 on spikes...


Or gotten a pair of upper end hiking boots. I'm an Aslo guy, got my 1st pair 10 years ago at 130 (520s, no goretex), and I think they're up to about 190 these days.

rhockaday
Oct 24 2006, 03:42 PM
Also we need more of these "spectators" if anyone is gonna want to drop 50k on ANY player. Including Barry or Kenny. Who is gonna see the logo enough to make it worth the while of a big corporation to kick down that kind of advertising dollars? I'm not trying to shoot down the idea of big sponsorship or be a pecemist, but this is the reality of the situation at hand. If nobody is there to see the logo, then what's the point. If we had galeries the size of the USDGC's or Worlds at every A tier, then we might be getting somewhere. Until that happens though, don't expect any MAJOR corporations to be banging down Disc Golf's door.



yep! the single most important factor for the future of outside sponsorship is the average gallery size. if everyone that plays the sport makes a point of coming out to spectate for the pro final rounds and brings 3-4 friends then we'll have taken a big step forward towards attracting sponsors.



To get large galleries you need something that is exciting to watch. You need holes with a lot of risk and drama. Your average drive and putt hole is a little boring to watch.

Oct 24 2006, 05:27 PM
Also we need more of these "spectators" if anyone is gonna want to drop 50k on ANY player. Including Barry or Kenny. Who is gonna see the logo enough to make it worth the while of a big corporation to kick down that kind of advertising dollars? I'm not trying to shoot down the idea of big sponsorship or be a pecemist, but this is the reality of the situation at hand. If nobody is there to see the logo, then what's the point. If we had galeries the size of the USDGC's or Worlds at every A tier, then we might be getting somewhere. Until that happens though, don't expect any MAJOR corporations to be banging down Disc Golf's door.



yep! the single most important factor for the future of outside sponsorship is the average gallery size. if everyone that plays the sport makes a point of coming out to spectate for the pro final rounds and brings 3-4 friends then we'll have taken a big step forward towards attracting sponsors.



To get large galleries you need something that is exciting to watch. You need holes with a lot of risk and drama. Your average drive and putt hole is a little boring to watch.



Try Champion hole 8 @ the VPO Nov. 4th and 5th!
That is exciting!

tokyo
Oct 24 2006, 08:22 PM
How bout we try and get Barry to do a Under Armour commercial saying "We must protect this Basket!"

denny1210
Oct 24 2006, 10:43 PM
To get large galleries you need something that is exciting to watch. You need holes with a lot of risk and drama. Your average drive and putt hole is a little boring to watch.



Totally agree! Chuck 'n' putt holes need to disappear from pro tournies. Let the big boys 'n' girls play some GOLF! And not just for a final 9 either. ALL the holes need to be golf holes.

Gregg
Oct 31 2006, 04:34 AM
sometimes you need chuck-n-putt and deuce or die holes because those too add pressure.

as long as they aren't all hyzer shots...

Nov 24 2006, 05:09 PM
Has anybody else noticed that Barry has finished no lower than 5th this year..........
WOW!

TravisBlase
Nov 24 2006, 07:12 PM
That's because he is the best disc golfer in the universe....and stuff. He's so good that I stayed at a Microtel once because of him.

dave_marchant
Nov 24 2006, 09:43 PM
Has anybody else noticed that Barry has finished no lower than 5th this year..........
WOW!



T9th at Charlotte Open.......

Valarie24
Nov 25 2006, 10:54 AM
but how many awards ceremonys has he attended?? :eek:

denny1210
Nov 25 2006, 12:21 PM
can of worms:
to open or not? :confused:

m_conners
Nov 25 2006, 12:22 PM
but how many awards ceremonys has he attended?? :eek:



I've seen Barry pull that crap before, not showing up to the awards ceremony shows no class.

mikeP
Nov 25 2006, 07:42 PM
but how many awards ceremonys has he attended?? :eek:



I've seen Barry pull that crap before, not showing up to the awards ceremony shows no class.



Can opened :o. I've never met Barry and I was not at the PC, but I know how fast discourteous actions during Majors, especially at a renown ball golf resort like The Plantation, get people talking. Would Barry have acted as such had he been at Innova's USDGC instead of Discraft's Player's Cup? In front of Harold and Dave? Hard to believe. Good thing Innova has such great representation from others such as Avery Jenkins and The Champ, those guys are first class sportsman, win or lose. Thumbs up to the Sunking event staff for having the stones to step in and act, even when it involved one of the game's greatest players, to protect the image and integrity of our sport.

williethekid
Nov 25 2006, 10:02 PM
he wasnt at this years marshall street awards ceremony :(

axldog
Nov 26 2006, 03:36 AM
but how many awards ceremonys has he attended?? :eek:



Well I know for sure that Barry was at the awards ceremony for the Chippewa Valley Disc Golf Challenge. He won 4th place ( $196 ) at the Tower Ridge Open & $505 at the Wakanda Park Open. He also received a $50 Scheel's Gift Card for setting the course record at Wakanda ... a blistering 39 ( -15 ) ..... I think it was a 1099 rated round.

Anyway .... I remember Barry being at the awards ceremony for our event.

Also, I'd like to mention that on both mornings when he was checking in ..... Barry made an unsolicited donation to the tournament; he handed me a stack of discs and a deck of PDGA playing cards. They were added to the AM prize pool.

As a TD, having a player like Barry at the event was a treat. HE GAVE TO THE EVENT! And he deserves the title as being the best player in the Chippewa Valley in 2006. I hope we see him again this year May 12-13, 2007.

Chainiac
Nov 26 2006, 08:29 AM
That's it? He doesn't show up for (every) awards ceremony. Now you're going to throw him into a group with all the other disc golfing bad boys that have been tried and convicted on this board like Cam Todd, Brad H., and others. Before you do that maybe you should ask him why he didn't attend. He might have a good answer. He seems very approachable the few times I've been at tournaments that he's been at.

Maybe he saves his best behavior for when he's in his home state. He's a true champion when he's here.

I'm not trying to defend him. My point is don't we have better things to complain about than if a guy shows up a few awards ceremonies. Sounds kind of petty to me.

mikeP
Nov 26 2006, 08:46 AM
There was more to his performance at the Player's Cup than simply not making it to the awards ceremony, however I was not there so I don't feel comfortable relaying any more specifics other than he was given a courtesy warning by event staff. I will say that no matter how good you are most the time, there is NO excuse for discourteous behavior during any tournament, the bigger the event and the bigger the player, the more this rings true.

dave_marchant
Nov 26 2006, 09:47 AM
My point is don't we have better things to complain about than if a guy shows up a few awards ceremonies. Sounds kind of petty to me.



Complaining and cutting things down for the fun of it is usually not too productive. Trying to maximize the value of events for all the competitors is productive.

Having the "celebrities" of our sport at the awards ceremonies adds value to the events - especially to those amateurs who travelled from a different course in an A-Tier. And their presence adds value in the eyes of the tournament organizers who busted hump for a couple of months to put on a good show.

Who pays the bills of the sponsored players? 1) The competitors whom they beat, 2) the amateurs who are an important part of the financial viability of the tourmanents (with the way things are set up today), 3) the event organizers who raised sponsorship money to raise the purse and, of course 4) their sponsors - the disc manufacturers and others.

I find it hard to believe that the sponsors do not require their sponsored players to go to every single awards ceremony no matter where they finished in an event.

gnduke
Nov 26 2006, 11:14 AM
So if any of the top 10 sign up for your event, they are also signing up to do PR and disc signings at your event.

Do they get discounted entry fees to compensate them for their time ?

If you are using their presence as an attraction for your event and require them to be present as display pieces at all event meetings, you should be compensating them. If they are at your event as any other competitor, then they should be treated as any other competitor. How many other competitors didn't hang around for the awards ?

AviarX
Nov 26 2006, 12:24 PM
I've seen Barry pull that crap before, not showing up to the awards ceremony shows no class.



i know it is a disappointment when you put on an event and the touring Pros leave before the awards, but given the amount of traveling they have to do -- if they are driving i am not sure it shows no class to want to take off after the event. if they were flying then i feel less okay with it. Until our sport entails a lot more money than basicly playing for each others entry fees, i think we should be accomodating of the top Pros even if they miss a lot of award ceremonies. It is an honor to have them play the event -- if they stay for the awards so much the better. But if they are out-of-state and driving home before they drive off to be on the road the following weekend -- they don't exactly have it easy. They may even have an ailing family member or anniversary or some other personal matter calling them that we aren't privvy to...

In the limited spectating i have done of Barry, he was all class.

ck34
Nov 26 2006, 12:37 PM
As long as the reason they are not showing up is due to travel timing, then fine. That would mean they also miss just as many award ceremonies where they placed first...
(and I doubt that's been the case)

AviarX
Nov 26 2006, 01:03 PM
i have seen it happen with first place finishes, but for the sake of argument let's take 2nd to 5th place performance -- and suppose a player places such high expectations on themself that not winning is a great source of disappointment and even embarassment for them. ideally for us they put on a happy face and let us applaud their cashing performance even if they aren't feeling so good about it. they just failed to accomplish one of their key goals for the year and they also didn't get the cash they need to help demonstrate the top guys can earn a living playing this sport. they want to just get in the car and drive.

i say let them be absent from the awards ceremony if they choose. i guess TD's could make attendance mandatory for payout or take a handling fee off the top if the participant doesn't pick up their prize at the award ceremony though...

denny1210
Nov 26 2006, 03:05 PM
How would Ford and Callaway react if Phil Mickelson decided to skip the awards ceremony at The Masters next year and not put the Green Jacket on the new champ?

Did Barry check to see if the TD had planned on involving him in the presentation of The Cup to Avery?

What makes professional athletes professional is that companies are willing to pay them money to help sell their products. Part of the way athletes help sell is by demonstrating the use of the products in their performances. They also make appearances, sign autographs, put on clinics, participate in pro-am's, accept awards, raise funds for charities, and appear in commercials.

If we choose to accept a defending Major Champ skipping out of the awards ceremony as being OK, then we cannot complain if our sport isn't taken seriously by potential future sponsors.

dave_marchant
Nov 26 2006, 04:34 PM
What makes professional athletes professional is that companies are willing to pay them money to help sell their products. Part of the the way athletes help sell is by demonstrating the use of the products in their performances. They also make appearances, sign autographs, put on clinics, participate in pro-am's, accept awards, raise funds for charities, and appear in commercials.

If we choose to accept a defending Major Champ skipping out of the awards ceremony as being OK, then we cannot complain if our sport isn't taken seriously by potential future sponsors.



Good answer to the dumb questions posed upthread to me by gnduke.

If anyone in our sport feels like they are entitled to anything, it is a pretty clear indication that they do not understand where we are at in the development of things.

gnduke
Nov 26 2006, 09:26 PM
Did Barry check to see if the TD had planned on involving him in the presentation of The Cup to Avery?



That's a little backwards.

??? Did the TD check with the defending champ to see if it was Ok to include him in the presentation to the next winner ?

I don't make a lot of majors, but is it common for the defending champ to get stage time when they don't win ?

gnduke
Nov 26 2006, 09:35 PM
What makes professional athletes professional is that companies are willing to pay them money to help sell their products. Part of the the way athletes help sell is by demonstrating the use of the products in their performances. They also make appearances, sign autographs, put on clinics, participate in pro-am's, accept awards, raise funds for charities, and appear in commercials.

If we choose to accept a defending Major Champ skipping out of the awards ceremony as being OK, then we cannot complain if our sport isn't taken seriously by potential future sponsors.



Good answer to the dumb questions posed upthread to me by gnduke.

If anyone in our sport feels like they are entitled to anything, it is a pretty clear indication that they do not understand where we are at in the development of things.



That doesn't address my dumb question at all.

AviarX
Nov 26 2006, 09:45 PM
How would Ford and Callaway react if Phil Mickelson decided to skip the awards ceremony at The Masters next year and not put the Green Jacket on the new champ?

Did Barry check to see if the TD had planned on involving him in the presentation of The Cup to Avery?

What makes professional athletes professional is that companies are willing to pay them money to help sell their products. Part of the way athletes help sell is by demonstrating the use of the products in their performances. They also make appearances, sign autographs, put on clinics, participate in pro-am's, accept awards, raise funds for charities, and appear in commercials.

If we choose to accept a defending Major Champ skipping out of the awards ceremony as being OK, then we cannot complain if our sport isn't taken seriously by potential future sponsors.



is there an established tradition like the green jacket at this tourney that Barry experienced last year? i bet if one of Barry's sponsors requested that he attend awards ceremonies even when he doesn't win he would probably do so.

while i appreciate the preference that top pros like Barry hang around for awards ceremonies isn't that more for us than for them or for our sport? Spectators are free to watch the top Pros play the event. when it's over; it's over.

Pizza God
Nov 26 2006, 10:17 PM
I know at the little B-tier I ran, Barry hung around the HQ and signed discs till the awards. Where he went as soon as he got his money??? I have no idea and don't care. (he got 2nd place)

McCabe
Nov 27 2006, 12:01 AM
It was also raining.

bruce_brakel
Nov 27 2006, 12:17 AM
The PGA has a rule that if you skip out early you get disciplined. Happened to Mickelson in 2005 I believe. His punishment that he had to do some PGA promotional commercials for free. Almost happened to Tiger a couple of years ago but they gave him a break because he was going to the hospital to see his dad and forgot about his PGA obligations.

The PDGA put its best heads together and came up with a rule too. If someone is too much of a prima donna to stick around and collect in person we're supposed to mail it to them. Doh! :p

xterramatt
Nov 27 2006, 05:51 PM
If they stay for the awards it makes it a whole lot less awkward for the event staff and the DVD editor. That's all I'm saying.

mikeP
Nov 27 2006, 10:24 PM
Skipping the award ceremony, especially after finishing worse than anticipating communicates selfishness and a disrespect for your fellow competitors. So you are disappointed. What better way to turn it around than to actually experience in the joy of your competitors/team members/friends who played well?

citysmasher
Dec 04 2006, 01:53 PM
In the limited spectating i have done of Barry, he was all class.



I met Barry this year while I playing my first tourney in 20 years.

He sat next to me at lunch and I recognized him. I put him on the spot right in the middle of his lunch, but I could not help myself. He was super nice and cordial, and he did not HAVE to be, he just was. He talked a lot of ball golf, as much as disc golf.

He seemed to be the prototype professional disc golfer.

From what I hear there is a lot BS talk in the upper levels of professional disc golf. I assume this is that very same BS. Too bad for disc golf.

Did anyone notice that none of the top players seem to frequent Internet forums?

friZZaks
Dec 04 2006, 02:04 PM
none???? what about the cheeseburger

scoop
Dec 04 2006, 02:23 PM
I was fortunate to get to play on the same card with Barry in my first-ever Pro event (GB the trophy-only option) in Live Oak a few months back.

It was evident that I wasn't nearly the caliber player as the top pros on our card (Barry and Coda Hatfield) --- though I was still tied with Barry after 6 holes.

However, throughout the round Barry was exceptionally gracious and often encouraging after difficult shots or situations on the course. After the round he even took a moment to commend me on my attitude and enjoyment of the game.

I'm an AM for life, but Barry treated me with the sportsmanship and professionalism that I would expect from the top stewards of our game. I would make a point to come out and spectate an event just to watch Barry play again. And that's what sponsors are looking for.

Now...Coda on the otherhand... (just kiding, Coda...you're a great person to play a round of disc with, too)

underparmike
Dec 04 2006, 04:04 PM
Did Barry check to see if the TD had planned on involving him in the presentation of The Cup to Avery?



That's a little backwards.

??? Did the TD check with the defending champ to see if it was Ok to include him in the presentation to the next winner ?





I'd like to know the answer to this question myself. If Barry got so mad that he forgot a promise he'd be at the awards ceremony, I'd be surprised.

Of all the disc golfers out there, I'd put Barry at the top of any "great sportsman" list. I saw him miss that one-foot putt at the USDGC and he didn't do anything but smile that smile you make when you know you just did something stupid. I'd put his Player's Cup experience in the category of, "how much can a nice guy take before he gets frustrated that he just blew a huge lead in a major?"

Barry even made a good impression on my girlfriend, who isn't real fond of most of my disc golfing buddies. When I go to a big tournament she always asks me if Barry's going to be there. Then if Barry's there she'll go follow his group around, so she can watch a good player for once. Later she'll say, "You mind if I go visit Barry's hotel room?" I mean, that's really nice of Barry to keep my girlfriend company...I know Innova's not paying him to do that.

Jroc
Dec 04 2006, 04:41 PM
Later she'll say, "You mind if I go visit Barry's hotel room?" I mean, that's really nice of Barry to keep my girlfriend company...I know Innova's not paying him to do that.


:confused:

Dec 04 2006, 05:28 PM
Later she'll say, "You mind if I go visit Barry's hotel room?" I mean, that's really nice of Barry to keep my girlfriend company...I know Innova's not paying him to do that.


:confused:



Mabey this guy is looking for his girlfriend to aquire some pimp juice from Barry, so he can raise his own disc golf legend!

atxdiscgolfer
Dec 05 2006, 12:11 AM
just fell over :D:D

seewhere
Dec 05 2006, 08:53 AM
hey kernan your user name is Phucking up the thread :eek:

Dec 05 2006, 10:22 AM
just fell over :D:D



I try!

underparmike
Dec 05 2006, 02:03 PM
Now that you mention it, my son does look like Barry. Oh my goodness, now I've got one kid that looks like Barry and the other one looks like Kobe Bryant! :confused: :confused: :confused:

bschweberger
Dec 05 2006, 02:14 PM
tooooo funnny

johnbiscoe
Dec 05 2006, 03:22 PM
friggin hilarious, i'm glad upm is back- now shorten that darn username. ;)

shaolintrained
May 18 2007, 03:45 PM
It's probably not any of my business, but I'm still curious. Schultz hasn't competed in any of the NTs since Bowling Green and he's had to cancel on the BSF. Is he just taking some time off from touring or has he been kidnapped by the Japanese Yakuza?

matthewblakely
May 18 2007, 04:29 PM
I know he said he was a little burnt out at one point this year. He competed in the lexington open and that was the last event that I know he played.

mikeP
May 18 2007, 04:38 PM
I know he said he was a little burnt out at one point this year. He competed in the lexington open and that was the last event that I know he played.



He could always get a real job... :eek: :D

MTL21676
May 18 2007, 05:26 PM
yup, Barry's burned out.

Flash_25296
May 18 2007, 05:38 PM
Those are some serious words to be throwing around, especially with no reference to what he is burned out of!

crotts
May 18 2007, 06:08 PM
hot dogs

: ) :

abee1010
May 18 2007, 06:16 PM
hot dogs

: ) :



Nice...

JHBlader86
May 18 2007, 07:02 PM
Nothing wrong with taking some time off. I believe everyone needs to ocassionally take a break so they wont get burned out. I personally take about a week off every so often to clear my head, and give my body a rest because when I do come back I play even better.

cuttas
May 19 2007, 09:04 AM
<font color="red"> i heard he had a couple good burn outs last year </font>

Pizza God
May 19 2007, 04:19 PM
i haven't had a good burn out sense I sold my '70 Barracuda.

Toyota's, Subaru's and Nissan's just dont do good burnouts.

denny1210
May 19 2007, 04:59 PM
I once had a reckless driving ticket thrown out. The magistrate told the cop, "you can't write a reckless driving ticket for burning out of a parking lot." I didn't want to leave the chambers, thought that any second a bunch of playboy bunnies were going to come in and swoop me off to their private playground. :cool:

m_conners
May 22 2007, 06:36 PM
Barry is burned out?

I hope he comes back, he's too good at this game to just quit.

johnbiscoe
May 22 2007, 07:16 PM
you mean like cam and ron?

tokyo
May 22 2007, 11:33 PM
Well if he is done then it is time for some other people to step up and make a name for themselves.

denny1210
May 22 2007, 11:56 PM
I doubt Barry's done playing and would pick him to win at least one major this year.

I don't think we've heard the last from Ron either. I bet he'll see the light and win himself a Pro Masters world title in the next couple years.

m_conners
May 23 2007, 05:02 PM
So is Cam on the PGA tour yet? National Tour? Hooters Tour?

bschweberger
May 23 2007, 05:37 PM
Barry is just taking some time down due to Burnout. Give him some time and he will be back.

llfour
May 23 2007, 11:10 PM
I figure Barry is one of just three or four guys that can survive off his disc golf earnings. What does he do during this time? Anyone know if he has a job he does during the winter or anything. Probably none of my business, I just wondered what a premier disc golfer would do while taking downtime.

krazyeye
May 23 2007, 11:48 PM
I guess deliver pizza or do customer support for software.

JHBlader86
May 24 2007, 12:44 AM
He could file TPS Reports for Initech.

seewhere
May 24 2007, 09:32 AM
thats my stapler :D

twoputtok
May 24 2007, 10:23 AM
http://officespace.groups.traineo.com/groupimages/photos/large/office_space_screensaver_21c9f88c767dcadd817f492b3 b5c1afc96.jpg

Jroc
May 24 2007, 11:15 AM
I have always thought that if I could swing it, I would like to tour one year. I know I would get burned out playing 30+ weekend events every year. But, I would get even MORE burned out with all the windshield time I had to spend EVERY YEAR.

Could be the best thing for him. Hope to see him out there again in the future.

TheGatewayKid
May 24 2007, 12:38 PM
you're my hero barry.

my_hero
May 24 2007, 12:52 PM
you're my hero barry.



:eek:

MTL21676
May 24 2007, 01:08 PM
I thought My_Hero's name was John. I'm confused.

veganray
May 24 2007, 01:22 PM
My hero's name is Chuck Norris!

my_hero
May 24 2007, 01:31 PM
LOL.

Give Barry some space....and a new nickname.

pterodactyl
May 24 2007, 09:36 PM
Barry "Sargeant" Schultz!!

Barry's a great player. He'll be back. We missed him at the Masters Cup. Relaaaaaaax.

discglfr
May 25 2007, 01:22 AM
Barry called me today and he's doing just fine. As said before - he's just taking some time off and relaxing. Nothing to get worked up about.

He is attending my B-Tier this weekend in Milwaukee. Everyone gets the chance to throw at both of the special powder coated baskets he received for winning worlds. That's a treat.

Greater Milwaukee Open - Am Worlds Preview | PDGA B-Tier (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344)

Ruder
Jun 02 2007, 02:21 AM
Barry is the man. When he decides to come back he will be better than ever - which is scary.

shaolintrained
Jun 03 2007, 01:18 PM
So I'm pretty sure that I seen Barry's name on the pre-reg list for the Majestic and I got kinda excited, but looking at the rounds today I don't see him listed. I'm sure he'll come back, but when? IT'S JUNE!!!

MARKB
Jun 03 2007, 03:55 PM
He played the milwaukee open the week before...

He is signed up for the KCWO which he hasn't played for years I believe... also signed up for a few wisconsin tournaments in july I believe... Manitowalk in the park

ck34
Jun 03 2007, 03:59 PM
You would think he might play the Worlds Warm-ups at Highbridge unless he plans to run up there and practice another time.

gdstour
Jun 03 2007, 08:19 PM
when is the worlds warm up?

ck34
Jun 03 2007, 08:23 PM
Check the Schedule on the Worlds Website (June 30-Jul 2)

ck34
Jun 12 2007, 10:54 AM
...unless he plans to run up there and practice another time.



Barry sighting yesterday. Sounds like he's meeting up with Mose today for some pre-Worlds recon.

tokyo
Jun 12 2007, 07:28 PM
...unless he plans to run up there and practice another time.



Barry sighting yesterday. Sounds like he's meeting up with Mose today for some pre-Worlds recon.



Wow everyone is acting like he is a UFO, sighting here and sighting there, he will be back don't worry. But I am betting that Coda or Cale will win Worlds this year, showing that the young guns are taking over.

paerley
Jun 13 2007, 11:51 AM
...unless he plans to run up there and practice another time.



Barry sighting yesterday. Sounds like he's meeting up with Mose today for some pre-Worlds recon.



Wow everyone is acting like he is a UFO, sighting here and sighting there, he will be back don't worry. But I am betting that Coda or Cale will win Worlds this year, showing that the young guns are taking over.



I heard rumors of him hovering over a rock pillar in Utah.....

ck34
Jun 14 2007, 12:46 AM
Sounds like he's meeting up with Mose today for some pre-Worlds recon.




That's Moose (Luebeck) not Mose...

JHBlader86
Jun 14 2007, 01:26 AM
...unless he plans to run up there and practice another time.



Barry sighting yesterday. Sounds like he's meeting up with Mose today for some pre-Worlds recon.



Wow everyone is acting like he is a UFO, sighting here and sighting there, he will be back don't worry. But I am betting that Coda or Cale will win Worlds this year, showing that the young guns are taking over.



Strangely all pictoral or video evidence is blurry and/or grainy.

cornhuskers9495
Jun 18 2007, 05:24 PM
Why does everyone care what this guy does? He's a name alone, the sportsmanship leaves alot to be desired...

I just heard someone peel out outside, I wonder if that was him...

tkieffer
Jun 18 2007, 05:54 PM
Why does everyone care what this guy does? He's a name alone, the sportsmanship leaves alot to be desired...

I just heard someone peel out outside, I wonder if that was him...



Wow, rather flattering remarks for your fellow Innova team member. :p

Barry was at and won the Pickle Open in his hometown this past Sunday. And yes, we in Wisconsin care what he does and how he is doing.

coda_hatfield
Jun 18 2007, 10:00 PM
Tank as I luvs disc golf and wants to promote good sportsmanship. Win, lose, or draw it is still a game!!! (and my job) :D

cuttas
Jun 18 2007, 11:35 PM
Why does everyone care what this guy does? He's a name alone, the sportsmanship leaves alot to be desired...




<font color="brown"> Second. </font>

dloper777
Jun 19 2007, 12:56 AM
Why does everyone care what this guy does? He's a name alone, the sportsmanship leaves alot to be desired...

I just heard someone peel out outside, I wonder if that was him...



Wow, rather flattering remarks for your fellow Innova team member. :p

Barry was at and won the Pickle Open in his hometown this past Sunday. And yes, we in Wisconsin care what he does and how he is doing.




I SECOND you Tkiefer !!!

Seems clear to me now ....."why".... Mr Schultz spends some time away from tour !!!

Dlo

magilla
Jun 19 2007, 09:39 AM
Seems clear to me now ....."why".... Mr Schultz spends some time away from tour !!!




Would that be because he doesnt always win...... :p

The "burnout" soon follows.......

dloper777
Jun 19 2007, 11:54 AM
Oh.......I don't think anyone with over a 3rd grade education could have taken the quote more out of context.

Which refered directly to the callous, but deep down envious comments beforehand. Callous, in the fact nobody has a clue why he is home, and for all we know, a death in the family or loved one has/is occurring, (I don't know......that is the point)

As for decent and honest people........would not be so callous to interject "fairy tales" and false rumors (lies) about another person.

But (decency, honesty) doesn't stop the above character's in voicing or taking pleasure inflicting pain or is it exposing thier own pain inside themselves ......mostly by loosing to Barry?? Who knows.....that's another point....I don't know why these morons (ignorant) have any reason for thier sad commentary?

Maybe they can share or enlighten us why?? Expose the mystery?


You might make medical history ...and maybe name your pain "Barry-itis" .....a new nerve disorder when playing with a champion!!



The Wisconsin fan base is alive and well.

magilla
Jun 19 2007, 12:31 PM
/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Out of context??...that depends on your experiences I suppose. :p

"Burnout" is the MAIN reason that has been given for his "disappearence" from play lately (that coming from quality sources) :o

Nothing to do with his driving habits... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It is quite understandable......The stress of "Touring" has got to be HUGE.....the expectations are great...the "Fans" expect it ALL.....demands are high.....
Everyone needs a little time off now and then.......
Im quite sure that he will be back at his best when it matters most. ;)

For the record......Ive played with Barry in a few different rds...Worlds &amp; otherwise....He was ALWAYS the "model" player. :D

deoldphart
Jun 20 2007, 10:19 PM
Don, well said, I think. Allow me to buy you a brew when I get to Milwaukee. Keep it simple, in verbage for us simple folk.
We too are proud of our pro's as you yours.

Mini Thumber

markpeterson
Jun 20 2007, 10:47 PM
Barry won a WI tour event at the course he grew up on in Sheboygan last weekend. He has been up at Highbridge, he's played in a league that that I run and is very much enjoying some Wisconsin courses in a way he wishes to spend his time. Besides with gas prices so high ,even winning is barely making money. He's right where he wants to be so thats all that needs to be said. Mark

cbdiscpimp
Jun 20 2007, 10:53 PM
Oh.......I don't think anyone with over a 3rd grade education could have taken the quote more out of context.

Which refered directly to the callous, but deep down envious comments beforehand. Callous, in the fact nobody has a clue why he is home, and for all we know, a death in the family or loved one has/is occurring, (I don't know......that is the point)

As for decent and honest people........would not be so callous to interject "fairy tales" and false rumors (lies) about another person.

But (decency, honesty) doesn't stop the above character's in voicing or taking pleasure inflicting pain or is it exposing thier own pain inside themselves ......mostly by loosing to Barry?? Who knows.....that's another point....I don't know why these morons (ignorant) have any reason for thier sad commentary?

Maybe they can share or enlighten us why?? Expose the mystery?


You might make medical history ...and maybe name your pain "Barry-itis" .....a new nerve disorder when playing with a champion!!



The Wisconsin fan base is alive and well.



Well here are a few examples for you!!! Taking second place to Sprague at Marshall Street and now showing up to the awards due to being upset that he didnt win!!! Also not showing up to the awards at the Charlotte Open last year due to not a very good showing (oh and he didnt have anywhere to be because the USDGC was the next weekend 45 minutes from Charlotte) Peeling out of multiple parking lots after poor finishes (only in his mind were they poor) and last but not least SPITTING into the chains at a tournament earlier this year in Texas while EMac and Cale still had to put out!!! Oh wait and I almost forgot that he didnt show up to accept his POY award at worlds when he won it last year (even though everyone thought that Feldberg should have won it)

Are those good enough facts (not rumors) to explain why some of the other guys on tour have ill will towards the CHAMPION. (which by the way is Climo if you havent noticed)

And im not saying that Barry has ever done anything to me or toward me that would make me have bad blood towards him im just stating that facts becaues you asked for them. So dont go around saying that im a Barry hater or anything because I myself have yet to have an incident with him that would lead me to dislike him.

dloper777
Jun 21 2007, 01:24 AM
Wow.............what an impressive history lesson you put together spanning from 1992 when Mr. Schultz turned Pro.

Are you leaving anything out?? Cause I wouldn't have you think you didn't have more time to do a more thorough investigation, maybe add a few direct quotes? I thought for sure you would have dug up that he wore the same "socks" two days in a row story! Oooppss.

Since I think, I understand your position, "Barry has ever done anything to me or toward me that would make me have bad blood towards him," and "I myself have yet to have an incident with him that would lead me to dislike him." OooooooooK, keep up the good work???

I wasn't very clear in my attempt to be humorous, but I would have thought SSA_Golfer .....would have taken up the call about "poor sportsmanship" challenge he posted.......and not anyone else who "didn't" have a problem PERSONALLY with Mr. Schultz.

Just my thoughts.

Mr. Schultz fan base, Still alive and well !


Dlo

mbohn
Jun 21 2007, 07:24 PM
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showprofile...part=6&amp;vc=1 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showprofile.php?Cat=0&amp;User=3532&amp;Number=705784&amp;Boar d=Players&amp;what=showflat&amp;page=0&amp;fpart=6&amp;vc=1)

Re-read your signature (says it all), re-check your rating (see Bio) and maybe ask Barry for some pointers on putting...... :D

http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/barry.html


PS... I have been following this thread and can't believe it got this off base.... For crying out loud leave the man in peace and let him have his vacation :p

TheGatewayKid
Jun 21 2007, 09:51 PM
guess who i saw sleeping in his car today at water works park in kc? schultz is taking it down this weekend. no question.

dloper777
Jun 22 2007, 01:28 AM
YeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!

Dlo

m_conners
Jun 22 2007, 11:12 AM
I like Barry Shultz, I met him at Zboaz Open and he was a friendly person.

He is one of the sports best players, I hope he sticks around for a long while.

floG_csid
Jun 27 2007, 05:41 PM
What happened in KC? Did he get sick or injured?

dgdave
Jun 27 2007, 06:02 PM
hurt his shoulder, so i heard

MARKB
Jun 27 2007, 06:02 PM
Shoulder injury

I talked to him when he decided to quit the last round and he said he was being cautious with it.

I would assume discgolftv will have some interview clip about it as it was being filmed.

I also saw him bothered by it on the last 2 holes on saturdays round it seemed. From the way he said it, doesn't sound too serious just being cautious as to not further damage anything. He couldn't throw past 300ft or so I heard at least

readysetstab
Jun 27 2007, 06:07 PM
i understood that it was his shoulder bothering him. he tried to tough it out the last round but couldn't finish. he still seemed to be in good spirits considering. no peeling out that i'm aware of :p

McCabe
Jun 27 2007, 06:09 PM
I was playing with Barry the last round at KCWO. He WAS in some pain. he dropped out on our 3rd hole, but walked with our card for most of the round.

Jun 27 2007, 06:14 PM
Everybody needs to jump of Barry's rooster...... Leave the man be .. He does not bother you when you miss a tourney, you shouldnt bother him either!

You peeps out there need to recognize that he is human, and he will do as he pleases. No amount of chatter on the internet will change that !

bazkitcase5
Jun 27 2007, 10:38 PM
I think everybody realizes he is human - he just happens to be really good at disc golf and has therefore created a fan base...

if tiger woods went a few months without playing on tour, people would be wondering about him too

thats part of being famous, whether its a big name like tiger woods, or a small sport on the rise like disc golf...

i personally would be flattered, as i am sure most others on this board would be, to see that there was a thread about me (assuming most of it is good of course)

JHBlader86
Jun 27 2007, 11:59 PM
If anything we should all show Barry support, letting him know how much we miss seeing him on tour. Many disc golfers want to be like him, and when your icon has somewhat dissapeared it's rather disheartening.

floG_csid
Jun 28 2007, 12:05 PM
Everybody needs to jump of Barry's rooster...... Leave the man be .. He does not bother you when you miss a tourney, you shouldnt bother him either!

You peeps out there need to recognize that he is human, and he will do as he pleases. No amount of chatter on the internet will change that !



I asked because I'm a fan, and I want him to do well because he's really good. But, I do agree people were being way to hard on him. Athletes are always at their weakest when they lose. I would be complemented if the worst you could say about me is: "he thought he was going to win, then he didn't...then he left"

Berry: Get well soon.

Chris_Sprague
Jul 03 2007, 06:09 PM
I talked to Barry at the KC Wide Open, and I gave him a big hug and said "good for you for taking some time off". I've only had a small taste of touring full time (8 months straight on the road) and I can relate to the grind.
It's funny hearing my friends that are out for 3-4 weeks on tour talking about what a grind it's been, sometimes you have to experience it to "get it".

Barry has been touring hard for at least 6 years straight, and for the better part of his career has demonstrated professional behavior. He's obviously backing off in an effort to relieve the burnout.

The Road wears on cars and people (no matter how fun it is).

(As for this weekend - he said he felt like he didn't want to risk further injury)

Ackerman
Jul 04 2007, 12:13 AM
looks like its time for barry to go lefty..

shaolintrained
Jul 04 2007, 01:29 AM
Hey Chris, thanks for your input, it's nice to hear from a touring pro. But it looks like you need to change your location to represent your REAL location. Oregon is where it's at.

cornhuskers9495
Jul 04 2007, 01:28 PM
it looks like you need to change your location to represent your REAL location. Oregon is where it's at.



Sprague bleeds Iowa Hawkeye Black and Gold, Don't kid yourself...

shaolintrained
Jul 04 2007, 02:52 PM
Then he's a LONG way from home. Just makes me wonder why.

accidentalROLLER
Jul 04 2007, 03:14 PM
He loves the beavers! ;)

shaolintrained
Jul 04 2007, 03:34 PM
Yet lives with Ducks. A complicated man indeed.

cornhuskers9495
Jul 05 2007, 01:47 AM
Did you know he moved back to Iowa?