warwickdan
May 14 2007, 01:50 PM
The Sugarbush Resort in Warren, Vermont now has two disc golf courses designed.
Steve Brinster and I finished tweaking the Base Course on Friday. The Peak Course design was tentatively finalized yesterday. However, we anticipate a few minor changes to the Peak Course.
My design theory has always been that a good course might never be finalized. It evolves over time because the designer has an almost insatiable desire to keep making his/her course more exciting/challenging/fair etc.
The Sugarbush Resort is a project that is very exciting, but also very challenging. One thing Steve and I constantly had to keep in mind is that we were designing 2 courses that have to appeal to many different disc golfers with wide varities of skill (or no skill) levels. During our walk-thru Friday evening there was some feedback that the Base Course seemed kind of short. It needs to be short in terms of where short tees and daily pin positions are located, for the sake of resort guests that perhaps have never played a round of disc golf in their life. The long tees offer different challenges and more length. However, short layouts need not imply that a course isn't fun or isn't challenging or doesn't offer crazy variety. Steve and I believe we have come up with a great mix of holes from both the short and long tees.
Another thing to keep in mind is that for tourneys we have alternate sleeves in mind that will allow us to combine 2 holes into one and add some Par 4's and 5's. So make sure as word spreads about the Sugarbush Base Course that you remember that your tourney experience will be very different from daily play. And of course you'll need to keep in mind that if you truly want a memorable disc golf experience unlike any you've ever had, then the Peak Course is for you.
Here is what Steve Brinster posted this morning on the Skylands site:
"Sugarbush is going to be sick! The Peak Course will be the most extreme course that I have ever seen. The course is going to measure about 9000+ ft but "it plays" much shorter. Its a totally different kind of disc golf. There is trouble everywhere and the person that stays out of trouble will score the best. This course is not going to be about who gets the most birdies but who avoids the big numbers. I can't wait to hear some feed back and stories about how someone 2'd a hole or how they took an 8. Hole 15 mighty gaw is a good example of a hole at sugarbush. Whether you took a 2 or a 10 this will be one of the most memorable courses that you will ever play!"
I second that opinion. Throw away any notions or thoughts about what the length of a hole means. Here is a perfect example: We have a 300-foot hole that plays more like 420 feet, and an 800-foot hole that plays more like 450 feet. So those 2 holes play almost the same distance as each other and yet they are actually 500 feet different in length.
Once again Steve and I had some unique design challenges as we worked on the Peak Course. Given the extreme nature of Sugarbush's Lincoln Peak it was difficult to make holes really really long in actual distance without bringing into play extremely steep downhill terrain. However, I seriously doubt if anyone will complain about the lack of length or steep holes. Those are relative terms. We also needed to design a Peak Course that wouldn't be ridiculously cruel to a beginner. This course dishes out punishment equally to players of all skill levels. The better you are the longer your discs fly, which isn't always good on a downhill windy course. Steve threw one shot that might still be in flight this morning. Star practicing your downhill throws. This is Disc Golf on an unparalleled level.
One really cool aspect of the Peak Course is that you'll be able to bring your mountain bikes up the SuperBravo Express Chairlift with you and play the Peak Course on your bike!
Oh, and I forgot one minor detail:
SCENERY TO MAKE YOU DROOL....UNCONTROLLABLY....FOR HOURS...
Spectacular views. Rushing mountain streams. Wildlife. And at peak leaf-changing season, like during the week of the Sugarbush Open NT / B-Tier event, the colors will be unreal.
The Base Course and Peak Course are scheduled to open on June 30th. I'd strongly suggest that anyone considering playing in the Sugarbush Open in September either come play in the opening one-day tourney on July 29th or come up another weekend and stay at Sugarbush for a few days and check out these 2 courses.
Stay tuned for more details as we continue with this project. Special kudos to Laura Worthen and Matt from Sugarbush who were with us all 4 days of the design process this weekend. They will be spearheading the installation and are extremely psyched about Disc Golf coming to their resort. They can use any volunteer help you can lend, by the way. Special thanks also to Jen Padham for filming the design process, and to Lesli Demark for tempering the sick design thoughts that seemed to infest the cruel minds of the 2 designers (Brinster and Doyle).
Dan Doyle
PDGA #310
Warwick, NY and honorary Sugarbush, VT
Steve Brinster and I finished tweaking the Base Course on Friday. The Peak Course design was tentatively finalized yesterday. However, we anticipate a few minor changes to the Peak Course.
My design theory has always been that a good course might never be finalized. It evolves over time because the designer has an almost insatiable desire to keep making his/her course more exciting/challenging/fair etc.
The Sugarbush Resort is a project that is very exciting, but also very challenging. One thing Steve and I constantly had to keep in mind is that we were designing 2 courses that have to appeal to many different disc golfers with wide varities of skill (or no skill) levels. During our walk-thru Friday evening there was some feedback that the Base Course seemed kind of short. It needs to be short in terms of where short tees and daily pin positions are located, for the sake of resort guests that perhaps have never played a round of disc golf in their life. The long tees offer different challenges and more length. However, short layouts need not imply that a course isn't fun or isn't challenging or doesn't offer crazy variety. Steve and I believe we have come up with a great mix of holes from both the short and long tees.
Another thing to keep in mind is that for tourneys we have alternate sleeves in mind that will allow us to combine 2 holes into one and add some Par 4's and 5's. So make sure as word spreads about the Sugarbush Base Course that you remember that your tourney experience will be very different from daily play. And of course you'll need to keep in mind that if you truly want a memorable disc golf experience unlike any you've ever had, then the Peak Course is for you.
Here is what Steve Brinster posted this morning on the Skylands site:
"Sugarbush is going to be sick! The Peak Course will be the most extreme course that I have ever seen. The course is going to measure about 9000+ ft but "it plays" much shorter. Its a totally different kind of disc golf. There is trouble everywhere and the person that stays out of trouble will score the best. This course is not going to be about who gets the most birdies but who avoids the big numbers. I can't wait to hear some feed back and stories about how someone 2'd a hole or how they took an 8. Hole 15 mighty gaw is a good example of a hole at sugarbush. Whether you took a 2 or a 10 this will be one of the most memorable courses that you will ever play!"
I second that opinion. Throw away any notions or thoughts about what the length of a hole means. Here is a perfect example: We have a 300-foot hole that plays more like 420 feet, and an 800-foot hole that plays more like 450 feet. So those 2 holes play almost the same distance as each other and yet they are actually 500 feet different in length.
Once again Steve and I had some unique design challenges as we worked on the Peak Course. Given the extreme nature of Sugarbush's Lincoln Peak it was difficult to make holes really really long in actual distance without bringing into play extremely steep downhill terrain. However, I seriously doubt if anyone will complain about the lack of length or steep holes. Those are relative terms. We also needed to design a Peak Course that wouldn't be ridiculously cruel to a beginner. This course dishes out punishment equally to players of all skill levels. The better you are the longer your discs fly, which isn't always good on a downhill windy course. Steve threw one shot that might still be in flight this morning. Star practicing your downhill throws. This is Disc Golf on an unparalleled level.
One really cool aspect of the Peak Course is that you'll be able to bring your mountain bikes up the SuperBravo Express Chairlift with you and play the Peak Course on your bike!
Oh, and I forgot one minor detail:
SCENERY TO MAKE YOU DROOL....UNCONTROLLABLY....FOR HOURS...
Spectacular views. Rushing mountain streams. Wildlife. And at peak leaf-changing season, like during the week of the Sugarbush Open NT / B-Tier event, the colors will be unreal.
The Base Course and Peak Course are scheduled to open on June 30th. I'd strongly suggest that anyone considering playing in the Sugarbush Open in September either come play in the opening one-day tourney on July 29th or come up another weekend and stay at Sugarbush for a few days and check out these 2 courses.
Stay tuned for more details as we continue with this project. Special kudos to Laura Worthen and Matt from Sugarbush who were with us all 4 days of the design process this weekend. They will be spearheading the installation and are extremely psyched about Disc Golf coming to their resort. They can use any volunteer help you can lend, by the way. Special thanks also to Jen Padham for filming the design process, and to Lesli Demark for tempering the sick design thoughts that seemed to infest the cruel minds of the 2 designers (Brinster and Doyle).
Dan Doyle
PDGA #310
Warwick, NY and honorary Sugarbush, VT