I know the USDGC at Winthrop had Par 4s and 5s. But what about on home courses during tournys? I played Williamsburg, VA and they have an AM hole 620 and a PRO hole 808. In a tourny would these still be Par 3s? Or do we play them as Par 5s like the course says?

You should def. NOT be playing those as par 3's

It is important that pars for the hole are always listed correctly b/c if you miss a hole, the rules say you are to recieve par plus 4, not a 7 (which is often mistaken).

Well, you would play the holes based on their true par, but the scores turned in at the end don't care if it is par 3 or par 5. The total is the total. Cards should not be turned in showing + or - only totals. We use par three for conveniance. As a TD if I am adding cards I assume a par 3 (which tend to be the average for most holes) calculate over/under and adjust around 54 (par 3 * 18 holes = 54) or whatever number applies. For instance I played a 24 hole course this past weekend and when I helped add scores I calculated over / under based on a par three and adjusted around 72.


I know the USDGC at Winthrop had Par 4s and 5s. But what about on home courses during tournys? I played Williamsburg, VA and they have an AM hole 620 and a PRO hole 808. In a tourny would these still be Par 3s? Or do we play them as Par 5s like the course says?

I know the USDGC at Winthrop had Par 4s and 5s. But what about on home courses during tournys? I played Williamsburg, VA and they have an AM hole 620 and a PRO hole 808. In a tourny would these still be Par 3s? Or do we play them as Par 5s like the course says?



I designed and built that course and Hole #18 is definitely a Par 5. And as it has been pointed out, the only time that really comes into play during a tourney is if you miss a hole.

I bugs me that people still adhere to Par 3 when telling me of their scores out there. A four on #18 is not a bogey. The hole has only been 3'd a few times and that my friends is an Eagle to be quite proud of.

By the way, Par at New Quarter is set from the blue tees. The Par from the white tees does not exactly match that from the blue, but I didn't want to have two sets of Pars written on the signs. That said, anyone who thinks the white tees are Par 54 is kidding themselves.

You should def. NOT be playing those as par 3's

It is important that pars for the hole are always listed correctly b/c if you miss a hole, the rules say you are to recieve par plus 4, not a 7 (which is often mistaken).

I think he means if you are late to the tee for the start of a round. If you miss a hole somewhere in the course routing, the penalty is to replay it at the end of the round with a two throw penalty.

That's what I meant as well.

I tend to think the majority of the disc golf community counts most courses as par 54 b/c of the math...no lie. It makes it easier to count your 4's and 2's and get the accurate number. Personally, if the biggest tournaments in the disc golf world classify 650-1000+ ft holes par 4's and 5's, I think every local tournament should do the same if the course has applicable length holes. It just seems like the legitimate thing to do. This game is an individual sport...the whole basis of golf is to monitor how you're doing against the course. I know you're just counting numbers during a tournament and 54 is easy, but how illegitmate does it sound to say "god, I'm so glad I double bogied that 1100ft hole"?

But then this whole issue raises the example of, let's say Coda Hatfield, shooting -1000 under par at Tom Bass....

I'm guessing a lot of players might have used par 4 as their reference for adding scorecards at the Hall of Fame Classic on Houck's course. And those playing in the USDGC may be used to using par 4 as a reference for Winthrop Gold scorecards.

It is important that pars for the hole are always listed correctly...



Ha ha ha ha! That's the funniest line I've read on here in a year! You're cracking me up to think that par could actually be listed correctly...

What is Par? (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Ratings&Number=62882&fpart =1&PHPSESSID=02c9d0a6d6f519c6b802cdbde950157c)

(I had to ask it!)

I designed and built that course and Hole #18 is definitely a Par 5...

I bugs me that people still adhere to Par 3 when telling me of their scores out there. A four on #18 is not a bogey. The hole has only been 3'd a few times and that my friends is an Eagle to be quite proud of.



Saying that hole 18 at NQ is par 3 is just plain stupid, and whoever says that should be embarrassed to show their ignorance.

With the current status that par really means nothing because it means anything when someone finishes a round at New Quarter from the Blue tees and says, "I shot a 5 down" you have no real idea what they meant. Did they shoot a 57 or a 49? (And New Quarter even has awesome score cards with a well reasoned par!) I usually don't even use the words par, bogey, etc any more, but just stick to reporting the actual score number.

Will the "everything is par 3" gang ever become extinct?

I'm guessing a lot of players might have used par 4 as their reference for adding scorecards at the Hall of Fame Classic on Houck's course.

I know I did!! :p

I'm guessing a lot of players might have used par 4 as their reference for adding scorecards at the Hall of Fame Classic on Houck's course.

I know I did!! :p



Part of this is confusion caused by imprecise language. Counting your score relative to a certain number (like 3 or 4) just makes counting easier. But that's different than saying that those holes are all par 3 or 4.

harold duvall designed castle hayne in north carolina and it has some of the best par fours and fives ive seen(in my limited travel). par is 64 and should be played that way, as it was designed

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I think he means if you are late to the tee for the start of a round. If you miss a hole somewhere in the course routing, the penalty is to replay it at the end of the round with a two throw penalty.



Just for clarification, this goes against pdga rules correct? You don't get to go back and play a hole if you missed it.

Yes you do. The only mistake in the quote is you go back and play the hole as soon as you discover you missed it after completing the hole you're on. You don't wait until the round is over. See 801.04B(5)

I'm guessing a lot of players might have used par 4 as their reference for adding scorecards at the Hall of Fame Classic on Houck's course.

I know I did!! :p



Part of this is confusion caused by imprecise language. Counting your score relative to a certain number (like 3 or 4) just makes counting easier. But that's different than saying that those holes are all par 3 or 4.

I think Chuck had it right. I used par 4 *as my reference* because most of the holes on that course were par 4's.