Flash_25296
Apr 09 2007, 04:33 PM
The Beaver State Fling NT/A-Tier Event will be happening this year on May 25th, 26th and 27th, 2007. Last's year's Beaver State Fling was so much fun and successful that the team decided to keep the ball rolling in 2007. :cool:

Pros will be playing four rounds on the fabulous River Bend East and West Courses at Milo McIver State Park in Estacada, Oregon. Friday will be two shot gun start rounds playing each side of the park once, followed by tee times on Saturday and Sunday afternoons to play the east and the west one last time. For the Am's, well sorry but it is sold out, you will be playing tee times Saturday and Sunday. Please check the link below for flight information and schedule.

For information pertinent to this year's "don't miss" NT event, please to be clicking here: 2007 Beaver State Fling (http://beaverstatefling.com) On the tournament home page, you'll find oh-so-convenient online registration, links to course maps, directions, lodging, sponsorship info, merchandise, and a current registration list. Event flyers are available here.

Make the trip this year, and join some of the best touring players in the nation at one of the nation's gems, River Bend Disc Golf Course at Milo McIver State Park. It's sure to be a blast and a half. If this event is on your list of possible events to attend then hurry while you still can, the list is filling fast for the Pro side, however the AM side sold out within the first Month of opening registration. Don't miss out or sucumb to the waitlist woes, register now and don't miss out on this great event and the opportunity to play these courses against some of the best in the world!

veganray
Apr 09 2007, 04:37 PM
When's the merch gonna ba available? I still think last year's BSF Glo Orc is the best INNColor yet!

Flash_25296
Apr 09 2007, 04:50 PM
The hot stamped Innova discs will be available this week, they were shipped last week to the Td's address. Art for the hot stamp should be up tomorrow or Wednesday on the website

Innova is having trouble with the InnColor process and it doesn't look like they will have it fixed in time for the Beaver State Fling so we will go with the DISCRAFT Super Color process and we will be running three versions of Art this year, and they are sure to impress!

I believe Cris Bellinger will be Posting the Art this week on the website and I will remind him tomorrow.

the_kid
Apr 09 2007, 04:58 PM
I am seriously thinking about hitting this one up but I would have to fly out late right after my graduation. :D

Apr 09 2007, 05:21 PM
You should still come. I know that Robbie Bratten and Jim Davidson came from Tejas last year. Maybe ask them how their experience was last year. I believe they both had a good time.

You should come. It's going to be fun and well run.

the_kid
Apr 09 2007, 05:31 PM
You should still come. I know that Robbie Bratten and Jim Davidson came from Tejas last year. Maybe ask them how their experience was last year. I believe they both had a good time.

You should come. It's going to be fun and well run.



Yeah they are the ones who are trying to talk me into it. :D

Flash_25296
Apr 09 2007, 06:27 PM
You should still come. I know that Robbie Bratten and Jim Davidson came from Tejas last year. Maybe ask them how their experience was last year. I believe they both had a good time.

You should come. It's going to be fun and well run.

I think they were the first two signed up in Pro actually.

Late flights suck, but it would be great to have you out here if you can swing it.

jdavidson
Apr 10 2007, 08:48 AM
Robbie and I had a blast last year, with the only drawback being the food poisoning I got at the players party on Saturday night... did anyone else eat the potato salad?

We're looking forward to making the trip back up there.

Matt,

You have a PM.

Flash_25296
Apr 10 2007, 02:49 PM
Jim,

Sorry to hear about that food poisoning, this is the first I heard of it, as I did not make it to the players party until later (tourney work) I ended up ordering from the grill. Todd Andrews is our player party coordinator and is taking care of the food requirements this year. He is taking measures to reduce the costs and something about selection, I will pass on your news and see if he can avoid anything with mayonnaise.

Glad to see Robbie and you making it out again, I still can't believe the perfect roller Robbie put down on 14 East (1047 ft hole) while I was spotting the first round!

For anyone who has never played that hole, the hole makes a dog leg right turn, but the turn itself is probably 350-375 feet long, and it starts about 290 feet off the tee, the fairway is severly protected on the left side the whole way with large spruce and douglas fir trees precariously placed to swat down over zealous air shots, and the rights side is a drop off to the river. The ideal shot is to throw a roller that ends well off to the right side of the turn at about 375-425 then throw another roller to continue the turn and carry as far as you can get it to go. The Shot Robbie threw put it out about 425 on the roll and set himself up for a great next roller shot, taking the trees out of play. The best tee shot I saw the first round on that hole. The hole is not overly difficult but is long and requires several great throws, 7 times it was scored as a three for Open Men and 14 times as a four but the majority scored a 5 or worse. Our ground is not as flat and hard as the gorund at the Memorial so 425 might sound short for a roller but it was perfectly placed and took the trees out of play for the second shot, any further on the roll and he might have ended up in the shule or river.

Greg_R
Apr 10 2007, 07:09 PM
with the only drawback being the food poisoning I got at the players party on Saturday night... did anyone else eat the potato salad?

Sorry to hear about that, I had the same meal and didn't have an issue. As Flash mentioned, we are changing the food arrangements for the party this year...

ryangwillim
Apr 10 2007, 08:56 PM
NOTE TO ALL PRO DISC GOLFERS:

If you can figure out a way to play this tourney, DO IT! This course is the best venue on the west coast, coupled with the best hospitality I've experienced at a large tournament. Everything is run so incredibly smoothly all u have to do is show up with your plastic and wait for your tee time!

If you've never played Milo before I think I can safely say that it will redefine what you consider HUGE disc golf! I'm not saying all the holes are '1000 monsters (though there are a few), but the whole place just makes you feel like you are on another planet, a planet designed specifically for disc golf euphoria.

Imagine being lost in an old growth forest, walking into a clearing to discover a disc golf paradise that covers seemingly miles of HUGE technical disc golf. 1000'+ holes on the same course as insanely tight wooded holes reaching out to 200' (that u are just hoping to par!) Feel it, feel it...

Now get u signed up!

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 11 2007, 12:00 AM
anyone have any pics of the courses that can be posted for all to see who haven't been to this area before??

larson
Apr 11 2007, 01:56 AM
Course maps for BSF can be found here. They include some pictures as you mouse over the teepads:
http://www.beaverstatefling.com/18holewest.html

http://www.beaverstatefling.com/18holeEast.html


Here are some more pics of 27 hole layout:
http://www.leftcoastdiscgolf.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=42&catid=64

Note that is not the layout for the BSF. Those are pics of the 27 hole layout.

larson
Apr 11 2007, 02:02 PM
I just remembered that I posted a short video after the 2006 BSF. Video shows hole 6 West leader card on Sunday. This hole is 850 ft with a big dog leg and a hill in the fairway.. fun hole to play :) enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7261374161513106423&hl=en

Flash_25296
Apr 11 2007, 03:05 PM
Thanks for posting the direct links to the course layouts Jeff.

Now if you want to see the hole I was describing above go to the 18holeEast.html link and look at hole 14

Nice camera work Jeff, I remember seeing a higher Res of that shoot but google usually kills them before posting. Maybe you will have time this year to catch hole 2 West on camera during the final round from the Bathrooms so you can shoot the tee shot and the approach to the stump postion.

scottsearles
Apr 11 2007, 08:31 PM
Bump......




































if you can get here you will have a blast. :D

Flash_25296
Apr 12 2007, 02:39 PM
The Merchandise has made it to the Website and the art is viewable, details are also their regarding sales and shipping.

Merchandise (http://beaverstatefling.com/merch.html)

Any question PM me or contact the TD directly off the Link

larson
Apr 12 2007, 04:31 PM
Maybe you will have time this year to catch hole 2 West on camera during the final round from the Bathrooms so you can shoot the tee shot and the approach to the stump postion.



Funny you should mention that. See the link below (I did some searching and editing last night) it shows Barry Schultz playing hole 2 west at the 2004 BSF. I filmed from next to the bathroom.. camera work is not great.. but viewers should get the idea and I a drew up a little map of the hole to help :)

New Video - Barry Schultz, 2004 BSF Hole 2 West: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8TNsv9cww

jwh
Apr 12 2007, 04:40 PM
There is a good collection of pix from last years Beaver State Fling at huklab.com. Click the sig link below, then hukPix on the right side of the page, then enter the hukTour gallery and finally 2006 BSF gallery. These pix were captured by the capable eye of Darris Hurst of 245 photographics out of Eugene, OR.

Apr 12 2007, 04:48 PM
http://beaverstatefling.com/images/stampsample.jpg
http://beaverstatefling.com/images/beatlesample.jpg
And my personal favorite:

http://beaverstatefling.com/images/manholesample.jpg

ryangwillim
Apr 13 2007, 02:27 PM
I like the manhole cover as well.

Flash_25296
Apr 13 2007, 02:52 PM
Ok so the link above for the merchadise has changed due to the addition of a shopping cart for the site, so either use this link Home (http://beaverstatefling.com/index.html) to get to the main page and pick your link from the drop down list under Merchandise

or

Go directly to the product of your choice
Glow (http://beaverstatefling.com/glowmerch.html)
Candy (http://beaverstatefling.com/candymerch.html)
Super Color (http://beaverstatefling.com/supercolormerch.html)

PM me if you are having troubles!

Flash_25296
Apr 16 2007, 05:52 PM
I just crunched through some numbers this last weekend and I developed a spreadsheet to determine which holes last year played the hardest and what the average score difference from Par was for each division and for all. I hope to get those posted soon on the webpage! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Stay Tuned

We are also up to 104 Pro's registered for the Fling so far and it looks like a few new players are making it this year. Matt is coming in from Alabama, Kevin from Florida, Cutt from North Carolina and Mark Lawrence and Melissa Wiseman from Michigan. Bob Graham is making it back again from New Jersey while Robbie Bratten and Jim Davidson are coming back from Texas to seek justice! We are glad to have you all coming in from so far away, I hope you have no jet lag and you find the courses to inspire you to play your best golf!

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 19 2007, 01:12 AM
how many will this tournament take before it fills?? I'm still thinking about coming to this tournament but not sure yet.

shaolintrained
Apr 19 2007, 01:24 AM
I'd do it quick, it will definately fill fast.

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 19 2007, 11:54 AM
yeah i'm thinking that's a good call but i'm still curious on the actual amount of pros that are gonna be taken for this.

ToddA
Apr 19 2007, 12:30 PM
Dirty,

We have room for 144 pros and we already have 104 signed up with 5 weeks left until the tournament. Don't wait too long!

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 19 2007, 12:49 PM
is there a link for paypal for when i decide to sign up?

Flash_25296
Apr 19 2007, 01:10 PM
Dirty,

There is a link from the registration (http://beaverstatefling.com/registration.html) page of the Beaver State Fling website that says "register online" its an icon on the right side of the page that will lead you to Title Disc, Under 2007 Oregon Series you will see the Beaver State Fling link, which then will lead you to Paypal when you are ready to pay.

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 19 2007, 01:58 PM
thanks :)

larson
Apr 22 2007, 01:00 AM
121 Pros now registered... looks like Climo, Feldberg and Jenkins recently signed up... register soon if you want to play!

Apr 22 2007, 06:37 PM
Boston was the best rock band ever, but Estacada is the best city in Oregon to host a disc golf tournament.

ToddA
Apr 24 2007, 02:10 PM
Only 9 spots left! Unless you want to be on the waitlist I would contact the Tournament Director as soon as possible.

Flash_25296
Apr 24 2007, 03:02 PM
Also a note that with the size of the Pro Men field some players may be playing in the B Pool

Check the website later this week for more information from the TD

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 25 2007, 12:39 AM
Well being that I was scared of missing out, I just registered via paypal eventhough I'm not 100% sure I can make it though I'm going to try my best. Is there anyone up there in Oregon who could let me know which airport would be the best to fly in to and that could pick me up and hook me up with some floorspace for my air mattress?? I would probably try to make it up a couple days before the tournament in order to be able to practice. Please let me know if anyone can help me out. Thanks.

larson
Apr 25 2007, 03:10 AM
Dirty.. if you want to camp I bet a bunch of people will be doing that right near the course:

Camping:

Group camping at Milo McIver State Park
Group site "A" space is limited first come first serve
Contact: Dustin Milbrodt (milbrodtd@hotmail.com)
$5.00 per night per person
The day use parking fee is included in the per night price

Else if you go to www.odsa.com/forum (http://www.odsa.com/forum) and post there, you might find someone in Oregon that would let you crash on their floor.

Hope you can make it... always a good time.

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 25 2007, 10:56 AM
Excellent, well it looks like camping will be my backup in case I can't find some floorspace :) thanks for the heads up.

wolfpackgolfer
Apr 27 2007, 12:58 AM
so i was just curious if there was anyone else who knows where i can find more pics/vids of the course...i'm absolutely loving what i've seen so far. the course is both beautiful and HUGE!! at least it seems so from what i've found.

Flash_25296
Apr 27 2007, 02:44 AM
I don't have any more videos but I will see what I can do to dig up some sites that have pictures.

What I do have for you is some scoring statistics from last years event, I apologies that it is not on the Beaver State Fling website but that is because the webmaster has been gone often lately and really busy.

2006 Beaver State Fling Scoring Stats (http://mysite.verizon.net/reswivzk/discgolfstats2/)

Flash_25296
May 01 2007, 02:47 PM
Wanted to let people know that if they want to get a fundraiser disc for the event they might want to order online, at the rate they are going there will likely not be any at the Beaver State Fling.

Click the link in my signature and select the appropriate selection from the merchandise tab.

ToddA
May 04 2007, 05:48 PM
I just wanted to update everybody on what is going on with tournament events.

First, we have contacted the local media outlets and the local FOX affiliate has shown interest in covering the event on Thursday before the event and during the final round on Sunday. Details are still forthcoming, but hopefully all will work out. Also, we are working with a few people to help produce a DVD of this year�s event for future sale and fundraising.

Second, we have finalized our agreement with the Viewpoint Restaurant and Lounge to once again host the player�s party on Saturday night. The Fly Mart will be upstairs again for all ages access and they will be featuring a spaghetti feed buffet with garlic bread and salad for a great price (and no mayo). If there is enough interest they have offered to have a free Texas holdem tournament. (No buy in, no payout, just for fun). If interested, please contact the TD. There will not be a band this year, but we are going to try to show disc golf videos on the TV along with a slideshow of pictures from the event.

Course prep is coming along and we will be having our final work party on mother�s Day to spread wood chips on all of the holes that need it. We have also arranged for an RV camping area along hole 7W with additional tent camping at group camp �D� as group camp �A� has been limited to 25 cars. Once again, we will have a beautiful venue to show off how beautiful springtime in Oregon can be.

Lastly, we have teamed up with Jay Harbor and huk lab to produce a limited edition dry fit t-shirt featuring the original BSF NT logo. If you have never seen this logo I�m sure one of the lurkers will post a link soon with more information posted on the website after all the details have been worked out.

Well, I hope that everyone who wants to come has registered as I just noticed that the event is full. A big THANK YOU to everyone who registered early for an event that is sure to be one to remember.

Regards,

Greg_R
May 04 2007, 05:54 PM
All divisions are filled (a month before the event!)... call the TD to get on the waitlist. 144 pro players and 144 am players... this is going to be a great weekend.

We have listened to the feedback from last year and are working on significantly improving the players party. Better and (much) cheaper food + more activities should make the party more entertaining.

We are also going to have a video crew film the rounds and will be offering a DVD of the event (video to include both Pros and Ams).

The BSF staff is looking forward to seeing you all in a few weeks!

wolfpackgolfer
May 04 2007, 11:23 PM
All that's left is to buy a plane ticket and then i'm GOLDEN. i'm really really looking forward to and getting excited about a trip across the country for this event. Keeps sounding better and better the more I hear from people!

alexjohnson13
May 04 2007, 11:26 PM
That Supercolor with the Beetle is BADASS, something must be up with the webpage though as you can't select style or weight for that one??

Peace

larson
May 07 2007, 03:04 AM
Lastly, we have teamed up with Jay Harbor and huk lab to produce a limited edition dry fit t-shirt featuring the original BSF NT logo. If you have never seen this logo I�m sure one of the lurkers will post a link soon with more information posted on the website after all the details have been worked out.

Regards,



Let's hear more about this shirt. Is it for fund raising? Players pack? ...

Flash_25296
May 07 2007, 01:08 PM
That Supercolor with the Beetle is BADASS, something must be up with the webpage though as you can't select style or weight for that one??

Peace



I seemed to be able to use those controls with IE 6.0, What happens when you select the disc, does it go to pay pal when you select add to cart?

I would contact the TD using the Link on the same page and either let him know of your troubles or give a specific message as to which one you want when ordering!

Flash_25296
May 07 2007, 01:17 PM
Lastly, we have teamed up with Jay Harbor and huk lab to produce a limited edition dry fit t-shirt featuring the original BSF NT logo. If you have never seen this logo I�m sure one of the lurkers will post a link soon with more information posted on the website after all the details have been worked out.

Regards,



Let's hear more about this shirt. Is it for fund raising? Players pack? ...



http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/flash_25296/hukBSF.jpg

This is the logo for the shirts as I was told, the design is up to Jay so you know it will look good, the shirt is a limited edition, limited numbers dry fit shirt for sponsorship (I believe). The text in the graphic will change to reflect current event. I have not seen the final product or shirt but rumor had it the colors might be black/white. I am willing to bet it will look awesome and they will go fast, considering how fast those discs went when they came out 2 years ago.

Greg_R
May 07 2007, 04:44 PM
The fundraiser shirt will be a limited run of Huk Lab's dry-fit shirt and will feature a full-color logo similar to the one that Flash posted (text will change). If you've seen the USDGC fundraiser shirts then you can expect something similar. Jay is determining the size / location for the logo... we should have more info soon.


That Supercolor with the Beetle is BADASS, something must be up with the webpage though as you can't select style or weight for that one??

Did you try scrolling down (with the 'up-down' scroll buttons)? I am able to select disc type and weight for all 3 super-color options.

cornhuskers9495
May 07 2007, 07:45 PM
All that's left is to buy a plane ticket and then i'm GOLDEN.



Me 2 and I'm having a hard time finding one under 4 hungy right now...

Anybody use Frontire airlines? Supposably, you can eneter a code and get a discount for disc golfers, but I can't find where to enter the code...

anyone familiar with this?

Flash_25296
May 07 2007, 09:24 PM
try this post from Steve Dodge!
Frontier (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA%20Announcements&Number=688 542&Searchpage=0&Main=688542&Search=true&#Post6885 42)

Flash_25296
May 10 2007, 01:19 PM
All wait lists have been updated and are online
Wait lists 2007 BSF (http://beaverstatefling.com/playerlist.html)

Keep checking back to see where you are on the list, that is if you are still waiting to get in, so far no one has dropped though one Pro men participant has expressed a possibility of not playing due to injury.

If you are registered and are not going to make it please let the TD know as soon as possible so we can accommodate someone else on the list.

T-minus 2 weeks for Pro checkin and Doubles at Milo :cool:

JaySexton
May 10 2007, 02:38 PM
Looking forward to another great event. The beetle design is great. With it filling so fast it makes one wonder how many people would attend if there was no limit. 500? 1000?

Northwest Disc Golf Rocks......Thank you Oregon Series!

Jay

brock
May 10 2007, 04:40 PM
hello friends,
what an awesome registration list...
top 7 of the world ranked players
schultz>climo>feldberg>jenkins>anthon>rico>doss

wish i could make it, I love this event! but thailand women are too addicting...

have a great time, see ya on the flipside

wolfpackgolfer
May 10 2007, 07:16 PM
Well I just bought my plane tickets...finally! so there's nothing left for me to do now other than make it to the airport in less than two weeks for my first trip to the west coast! i'm really getting stoaked about this one :)

jaxx
May 10 2007, 07:34 PM
Represent out there Logan, I'm really dissappointed I couldn't make it out there myself, hold it down for NC!

atxdiscgolfer
May 10 2007, 10:22 PM
If JD Ramirez makes it in from the waiting list,he will definitely be a contender,he's been on fire lately shooting two -14 rounds in the last couple of tournaments - both times rated over 1050,winning both tournaments by quite a bit.

wolfpackgolfer
May 10 2007, 10:30 PM
Represent out there Logan, I'm really dissappointed I couldn't make it out there myself, hold it down for NC!



Thanks Jack, I'll do what I can. I'm getting up there early enough that I should have 2 full days to practice so I'm making sure that I won't be playing the courses blind :)

Flash_25296
May 11 2007, 01:21 AM
Trust me Milo is not one of those courses that is better to play blind, two days of practice should be good as long as you don't go gung ho and throw like 72 holes a day and run out of steam! First time to the west coast huh logan, well Mt hood still has a nice coat of snow on her for the looking so when you get here see if anyone is going up to play in the snow and catch a ride. Last year Ken Climo came out to play and had never seen snow so Dave, Avery and a few others took him up to Mt. Hood and had a snow ball fight and slid around on the slopes. Good times!

Flash_25296
May 11 2007, 01:35 AM
If JD Ramirez makes it in from the waiting list,he will definitely be a contender,he's been on fire lately shooting two -14 rounds in the last couple of tournaments - both times rated over 1050,winning both tournaments by quite a bit.



It would be nice to see, so far the last three years Barry Schultz has owned the Milo McIver courses and anyone playing against him on them, last year he finished the last round with a 48 and a 5 stroke win.

For a little history in 2004 the BSF was an A-Tier and Dave Feldberg lost to Barry in a playoff, 2005 Dave lost to Barry by 1 stroke in the First NT for the BSF, 2006 Dave lost to Barry by 5 strokes. In the 2 years it has been an NT Schultz, Feldberg, Rico and Anthon have been the top 4 finishers. Will Feldberg take the win this year, or will Climo keep his NT wins rising with a win this year or will Rico have one less bad hole and get the win? Its anyones game until Sunday and then you better have a lead and a strong will to win!

wolfpackgolfer
May 11 2007, 09:44 AM
Trust me Milo is not one of those courses that is better to play blind, two days of practice should be good as long as you don't go gung ho and throw like 72 holes a day and run out of steam! First time to the west coast huh logan, well Mt hood still has a nice coat of snow on her for the looking so when you get here see if anyone is going up to play in the snow and catch a ride. Last year Ken Climo came out to play and had never seen snow so Dave, Avery and a few others took him up to Mt. Hood and had a snow ball fight and slid around on the slopes. Good times!



well it's good to hear that I'm doing the right thing haha I'm not terribly worried about practicing too much. it's one of the bonuses of keeping yourself in good shape ;) as for Mt. Hood, that sounds like it'd be a blast if anyones heading up there. Isn't Mt. Hood one of the tallest if not the tallest mountain in the US?

stankee
May 11 2007, 11:07 AM
Mt. McKinley,AK...

Flash_25296
May 11 2007, 05:15 PM
as for Mt. Hood, that sounds like it'd be a blast if anyones heading up there. Isn't Mt. Hood one of the tallest if not the tallest mountain in the US?



No not the tallest, but it is the tallest in Oregon at 11,239 ft. Tallest point in the US is Mt. McKinley in Alaska @ 20,320 ft followed by Mt. Whitney in California @ 14,505 ft. But with the glaciers on Mt. Hood, Skiing is open year around and there are members of the US Olympics team that use it. We also have ski camps on Mt. Hood in the middle of summer, nothing funnier than seeing Snow Skis in the Portland Airport in August! I believe Mt. Hood is the only US mountain that has organized year around skiing!

KitBassett
May 12 2007, 01:12 PM
Quick question for you... I had registered quite a few weeks ago but I'm not showing up on the wait list. At the time, we were told I was 17th in line. Bob Graham and I registered together, if that helps. I have dreams of 17 people finding something better to do that weekend, and I miraculously get in! ;-) Can anyone help? Thanx!

Greg_R
May 14 2007, 01:59 PM
WayOver,
Please contact Cris (the TD) to discuss the problem. www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com) has a "contact the TD" button. I'm seeing Cris Tuesday so I'll let him know your e-mail is on the way. You can also PM me your info (phone number, name, division, etc.) and I'll find out what happened. Cris did have the A & B pool wait lists up on the website... I don't know where they went.

everydaydude
May 15 2007, 11:53 AM
For the travelling players... here's a link to some photos of the 27 hole layout.
http://www.leftcoastdiscgolf.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=42&catid=64

Jeff_LaG
May 15 2007, 01:25 PM
First time to the west coast huh logan, well Mt hood still has a nice coat of snow on her for the looking so when you get here see if anyone is going up to play in the snow and catch a ride. Last year Ken Climo came out to play and had never seen snow so Dave, Avery and a few others took him up to Mt. Hood and had a snow ball fight and slid around on the slopes. Good times!



Sorry but I find that very hard to believe. I know Climo is from Florida and all, but I find it very hard to believe that a 38-yr. old man who has traveled the world to play disc golf had never seen snow before until last year. Climo was up on Snowbowl during Pro Worlds 2003 in the hailstorm which also deposited a 1/2 inch coating of snow on the upper mountain.

Flash_25296
May 15 2007, 03:26 PM
I am just going by what Dave and Avery said, at the players party after they got back from the mountain. Perhaps playing in the snow for the first time is a better use of words than seeing for the first time :o

Thanks for keeping me honest and accurate! (no sarcasm)

wolfpackgolfer
May 15 2007, 03:31 PM
So is the 27 hole main layout going to be split into two different 18 hole coures like it has been in the past? an east and west from what i've heard from people who've played this event in the past.

Flash_25296
May 15 2007, 03:38 PM
Yes, there are 9 holes that are only used in tournament play. Two tournaments a year get to use those placements (permanent anchors no temp baskets), the reason they are only used twice a year is because it requires closing the lower part of the Park and with the Park being a state park it is Multi-Use!

All of the 27 holes in the 27 hole layout are used but with a few tweaks to make the 2 18's flow really well!

When are you landing in Portland Logan?

I will be at the courses all day Thursdy helping set up the course with Tee Signs and Distance stakes so maybe we can play a round!

wolfpackgolfer
May 15 2007, 03:53 PM
If my flights are on time, which i doubt they will be, i'm scheduled to land around 820pm next tuesday. i'm planning on practicing both weds and thurs as long as i can find transportation from aaron's to the courses.

Flash_25296
May 15 2007, 04:03 PM
That shouldn't be a problem finding transportation, several folks will be going out there from that area and Aaron can tap you into his network of golfers!

I will be at the course really really early on Thursday so I don't think you will want to ride with me, but I can get you back to Aaron's that night!

fulcan
May 15 2007, 04:30 PM
I'm flying in on Wednesday night and will be able to carpool from Portland on Thursday morning. I'll have a car. I'll be headed up there by my self and would stoked to have company if you can't get a ride. PM me if you want my cell number.

wolfpackgolfer
May 15 2007, 04:30 PM
excellent, sounds great :)

shaolintrained
May 15 2007, 05:22 PM
Does anyone know what the deal is with Barry Schultz's name no longer being on the registered list? Seems kinda odd, he's got a title to hold onto and it sounded like he was stoked for the event. Just curious.

everydaydude
May 15 2007, 05:26 PM
Todd Andrews just posted your answer on the odsa site. Barry cancelled, not coming this year. Time for the Davery Jenkberg show to take over.

Flash_25296
May 15 2007, 06:24 PM
Todd Andrews just posted your answer on the odsa site. Barry cancelled, not coming this year. Time for the Davery Jenkberg show to take over.



Perhaps but with Barry not making it I think the door is wide open, with Kenny playing so well right now he will be tough! I am pulling for someone without an NT win under their belt to capitalize and get this one! Who wants it?

wolfpackgolfer
May 15 2007, 11:24 PM
So am I gonna be the first long-shot to say that I want to win it?? haha :)

Flash_25296
May 16 2007, 12:13 PM
So am I gonna be the first long-shot to say that I want to win it?? haha :)



What! Like you don't have the necessary skills
Last Tourney (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6765#Open)

wolfpackgolfer
May 16 2007, 06:31 PM
hahaha that was my first win though and wasn't exactly the same level of field as the BSF is gonna be so I would still consider myself a long-shot at winning for sure. I've never played an NT and in fact this is gonna be the biggest tournament yet as a Pro so I'm just hoping for a solid cash and if i can play like i know i am capable of, maybe a top 10 finish :)

Flash_25296
May 17 2007, 05:05 PM
There is a doubles event this Saturday at Milo McIver, The west side tournament course will be played!

for future dates look here
Milo Doubles (http://www.odsa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6418)

Each event, including each Final, is random-draw doubles.
Each event is on a Saturday.
Sign-up is at 10:00 am. Tee off is at 11:00 am.
(Cut-off for sign-up is 10:45 am)
Tournament Central is at the West parking lot for events that play the West Course, and East lot when playing East Course. West lot is Hole 1. East lot is Hole 22. TC is West lot for both Final Events.

$10 entry fee per regular season event
$7 goes to event payout on that day
$1 goes to Ace Pot. If no Ace, then Ace Pot carries throughout season
$2 goes to Playoff Final Pool

Greg_R
May 18 2007, 06:36 PM
There will also be a random draw doubles event the day before the Fling (Thursday, May 24). Registration is from 4-4:45 and we'll tee off at 5:00. Sign ups will be at tournament central & will run $10 per person. Players will be split into pools (A for pros and top advanced, B for everyone else). This will be done by player rating. We're going to pay the top 3 teams (no playoffs for ties, just split the winnings). Last year the winners took home ~ $250 in cash. If we fill the course the winners will take home $360 in cash. Hope you can make it!

Flash_25296
May 19 2007, 03:20 AM
The AM's(pools C & D) tee times for Saturday's morning round will be up on the Website Monday Night!

Please let the TD know as soon as possible if you are not going to make it, once we release the tee times drops can only be replaced by same division wait listers! So if a MM1 drops we will take the next MM1 on the list.

noey21
May 20 2007, 11:55 PM
Staci is looking for a possible person who needs a ride from Northern California on Thursday. Maybe even 2 people for the way up and way back if needed.

Please let us know.

Bob and Staci

Time is flexible.

wolfpackgolfer
May 21 2007, 01:14 AM
Flying out on Tuesday morning to make my way across the country. getting pretty excited at this point :)

gilbuddy
May 21 2007, 02:15 AM
I checked out the courses this afternoon and they were looking really good! A lot of mowing and other work was going on. I'm getting giddy!

wolfpackgolfer
May 21 2007, 12:15 PM
so what you're saying is that it's going to be worth it for me to travel all the was from the east coast for this one?? :)

shaolintrained
May 21 2007, 01:30 PM
You definitely won't be disappointed. Good luck this weekend.

MTL21676
May 21 2007, 04:22 PM
what are the courses like?

need an idea of who to pick for fantasy - lol

stankee
May 21 2007, 05:02 PM
Nothing like N.C golf thats for sure...alot more open....good job on that 1080 rd Tizzle!!

johnbiscoe
May 21 2007, 05:43 PM
so what you're saying is that it's going to be worth it for me to travel all the was from the east coast for this one?? :)



the first time i went to the pacific northwest i liked it so much i moved there- then the rainy season came and i moved back to the east coast.

Greg_R
May 21 2007, 06:03 PM
There are a lot of long placement shots and a few tightly wooded holes. Pictures can be found on the course maps at www.beaverstatefling.com (http://www.beaverstatefling.com) (Roll your mouse over the tee pad and a pic should pop up).

everydaydude
May 21 2007, 06:03 PM
weather update:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/weekend/USOR0117?from=search

oh, and logan... you enjoy rock music?

Flash_25296
May 21 2007, 06:27 PM
what are the courses like?

need an idea of who to pick for fantasy - lol



I would say look at the last two years of info on PDGA for this tourney and then pick from the most consistent player over two those years correlating with this years results for each player so far. Courses are the same as last year so expecting similar SSA's, other factors to consider, Must have a good roller, plays in damp or windy conditions well, length is not a problem and can throw a driver from the fairway as easily as from a tee pad, also must be a good putter from 40-50 feet out, this can shave quite a few strokes at Milo McIver.

Flash_25296
May 21 2007, 06:31 PM
weather update:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/weekend/USOR0117?from=search



I find these two sites to be more accurate for that area!

Weather Underground (http://www.weatherunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=estacada)

Weather Bug (http://weather.weatherbug.com/OR/Estacada-weather/local-forecast/7-day-forecast.html?zcode=z5602)

wolfpackgolfer
May 21 2007, 08:24 PM
weather update:
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/weekend/USOR0117?from=search

oh, and logan... you enjoy rock music?



sure, there is very little music that i don't enjoy. i pretty much like a litte bit of everything. what kinda rock are you talking about though?

tpozzy
May 21 2007, 09:15 PM
Are there any players in coming in to town that might be interested in a little poker action on Wednesday night?

-Theo

Flash_25296
May 22 2007, 01:37 AM
The Am tee times are posted on the PDGA Tour Page (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6378) and the Beaver State fling website Beaver State Fling Information (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/information.html)

The Legend is E=East, W=West, 1=Hole 1, 10=Hole 10, 11=Hole 11, C=Pool C and D=Pool D

mark12b
May 22 2007, 05:07 AM
will there be sat. am check-in for pool d? we're driving down friday but weren't planning on being there first thing.

everydaydude
May 22 2007, 10:47 AM
The Am tee times are posted on the PDGA Tour Page (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6378) and the Beaver State fling website Beaver State Fling Information (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/information.html)

The Legend is E=East, W=West, 1=Hole 1, 10=Hole 10, 11=Hole 11, C=Pool C and D=Pool D



Flash, when are the pro groups and tee times going to be posted?

magilla
May 22 2007, 12:17 PM
The Am tee times are posted on the PDGA Tour Page (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6378) and the Beaver State fling website Beaver State Fling Information (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/information.html)

The Legend is E=East, W=West, 1=Hole 1, 10=Hole 10, 11=Hole 11, C=Pool C and D=Pool D



Flash, when are the pro groups and tee times going to be posted?



Tee Times wont be used for Pros until Saturday & Sunday.. :p
We have to play Friday to figure that out.. ;) :D

So the question should be....

Flash, When are the Pros going to see Groupings & Hole assignments? :D

everydaydude
May 22 2007, 12:37 PM
yea, what Mike said.

Flash_25296
May 22 2007, 12:44 PM
will there be sat. am check-in for pool d? we're driving down friday but weren't planning on being there first thing.



Yes depending on when you are scheduled to tee off, if you have an early tee time and want to check in to get your players packs you can do so before or after your first round, it is entirely up to you.

You will however be required to check in at your starting hole with the starter 15 minutes before your tee time. Please make sure you know what hole you start on, 10 West and 11 East are about 2 miles apart!

Flash_25296
May 22 2007, 12:48 PM
So the question should be....

Flash, When are the Pros going to see Groupings & Hole assignments? :D



I believe Cris has that figured out but is not releaseing them until thursday at checkin, there have been many, many adds and drops from the pro side in the last week, something about waiting to long to get plane tickets or something. So sorry if they don't make it to the website before Thursday, I will try to convince Cris to release them Wednesday!

Greg_R
May 22 2007, 05:52 PM
will there be sat. am check-in for pool d? we're driving down friday but weren't planning on being there first thing.

AM check-in will be done at your assigned tee at least 20 minutes before your tee time. In other words, if you have a 7:50 tee time you MUST be at your tee at 7:30 to check in. You will receive your player's handbook, scorecards, etc. at that time. You will be able to pick up your players pack items on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday (before or after your 1st round). Each tee has a warm-up basket for putting. Saturday and Sunday we'll be using the dog run for driving / throwing warm ups. See you there!

Flash_25296
May 23 2007, 08:44 PM
Two days away, the courses are ready, temporary tee signs are in place, permanent ones go in tomorrow with the distance stakes on each hole and any temporary tee pads. Several out of towners are here now and have been out at the course, always a fun time of year for the state parks when they see the numbers on the courses increase significantly during the prep and consequent event. Don't forget the State Park requires a 3 dollar day pass which is included in your camping fee if you are camping.

wolfpackgolfer
May 24 2007, 02:54 AM
As an east coast boy out at the courses today, i must say that i'm incredibly impressed with both the beauty of the course and how well kept the course is. Can't wait to make it out there again tomorrow to get in some more rounds before doubles tomorrow night :)

Flash_25296
May 24 2007, 02:22 PM
The first round group assignments are up for the Pros
A Pool (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/TeeTimes/Openholeassignfirstround.htm)

B Pool (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/TeeTimes/Bpoolfirstroundholeassign.htm)

Flash_25296
May 24 2007, 02:24 PM
As an east coast boy out at the courses today, i must say that i'm incredibly impressed with both the beauty of the course and how well kept the course is. Can't wait to make it out there again tomorrow to get in some more rounds before doubles tomorrow night :)



Glad you liked the courses Logan, looks like you are playing with the Champ the first round! I will see you at the course around 1pm!

pterodactyl
May 24 2007, 09:17 PM
I just noticed that JD Ramirez is scheduled to tee off on 11 and with the ghost group.

jdavidson
May 26 2007, 02:03 AM
On Saturday, is half the open teeing off on hole 1 and half on 9?? (Looking at the two sets of identical tee-times)

Thanks.

Flash_25296
May 26 2007, 02:57 AM
The top 36 are playing the east course starting on hole 1, the next 36 are starting on hole 11 on the east and the bottom 8 are being moved to the B- Pool and will be playing the West course starting on Hole 1.

A- Pool (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/TeeTimes/Apoolteetimessaturday.htm)


B-Pool (http://www.beaverstatefling.com/TeeTimes/Bpoolteetimessaturday.htm)

These are posted on the BSF webpage in my signature, click on the information tab and scroll down to saturday using the red scroll button.

xterramatt
May 26 2007, 07:46 PM
nice coverage on the live scoring. looks like open, open women, masters gm, and sgm get live scoring! Crazy!

May 26 2007, 08:59 PM
My live scoring is giving me this:

"Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/site/main/pdga/html/tournament/live.php on line 107"

I am on a Mac if that could matter.

xterramatt
May 26 2007, 10:47 PM
that's because it's too late. I only caught the womens final 9, but I figured the others had live scoring too, coulda been wrong.

May 27 2007, 05:42 AM
When you're done checking the scores, take a look at some of the pictures I took at the Fling on Friday.

Fling Pix (http://flickr.com/photos/edgepix/sets/72157600271410194/detail/)

bschweberger
May 27 2007, 09:33 AM
Thanks for the nice photos

xterramatt
May 27 2007, 08:19 PM
nice photos.

3 way tie after round 4. Then there's a finals live and it has:

Nathan Doss 216 -27 214 -26 2
Avery Jenkins 217 -26 214 -26 3
Dave Feldberg 217 -26 214 -26 3

Was that sudden death?

steveganz
May 27 2007, 08:31 PM
Yep. Sudden death. Congrats, Nate!

bschweberger
May 27 2007, 09:25 PM
Congrats Natron

steveganz
May 27 2007, 09:31 PM
****....it looks like they forgot to finish scoring the Women. I want to see who wins the battle for second.

fulcan
May 27 2007, 10:03 PM
Me too! They're both my friends and I've been madly hitting refresh hoping it would suddenly be taken care of. They must have gotten distracted by the 3 way tie for first.

jdflyer
May 27 2007, 10:08 PM
Thanks to all for viewing online. I'm in the Portland airport waiting from my flight back to Phila (arrival 5:05 am), and am so juiced from what I saw here at the Beaver State Fling.

First, some housework, Carrie reached out and buried a 24 footer on the final hole forcing Kathy to make her 17 footer. She missed wide left and Carrie completed her unlikely comeback to take second.

jdflyer
May 27 2007, 10:12 PM
The Men's Open was an outstanding finish, and I'm putting the pdgatour.com wrap-up together as I wait for my flight and possibly on the plane to Philly (MAYBE...I'm a little fatigued from the amazing weekend).

Feldberg smashed a 50-footer on hole 18 to force the three-way playoff, as Nate laid up out of the thick brush, and Avery cruised by the basket trying to get the win.

The real story happened on the earlier holes, though, but you'll have to read pdgatour.com to find out more.

jdflyer
May 27 2007, 10:17 PM
As someone who has had the great fortune of hitting many of the NT venues over the last year, I can tell you that this year's Beaver State Fling has set a new standard for our top product in the PDGA. The courses, the competitors, the volunteers, the operations, the infrastructure, the amenities, the vendors...I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

Congras to Thereas and Cris and the ENTIRE host of volunteers for a job, not well done, but BEST done!

Bravo...what disc golf is meant to be.

jdflyer
May 27 2007, 10:24 PM
just one more thing about the live scoring...we had to do a rush job on the system to set up the sudden death holes. This was definitely a learning experience from someone who's done live scoring for the last two years. There is an entire backend that is all tied together with pars and ratings, etc...so we added the one hole sudeen death under the Finals Option.

I'm just so glad that you all are checking out the live scoring. Hate to think that we're doing for nothing.

Thanks!

Dana
May 27 2007, 10:37 PM
Sounds like a wild finish! I can't wait to see the DVD (and read the write-up on pdgatour)!

fulcan
May 27 2007, 10:51 PM
Cool, thanks for the updates John. I'm glad it was as exciting as it looked from here. This type of tourney is great for our sport.

timmyg
May 28 2007, 12:09 AM
"The real story happened on the earlier holes, though, but you'll have to read pdgatour.com to find out more. "

Or watch it all unfold on VIDEO, ON www.DISCGOLFTV.COM (http://www.DISCGOLFTV.COM)

bob
May 28 2007, 05:01 AM
I didn't get the chance to thank everyone enough. I came back to Portland for this event, and I hope to return next year. It is on my list of favorites, and I hope the Fling continues to push the envelope.

I met a lot of great new players, and some surprise old ones. Wonderful sponsors that really believe in the sport. And some tremendous memories.

Putt it right!

xterramatt
May 28 2007, 08:04 AM
I hope to attend next year too. Sounds like a good time.

gdstour
May 28 2007, 01:51 PM
so who won?

MTL21676
May 28 2007, 01:57 PM
nate

Luke Butch
May 28 2007, 03:12 PM
great shooting Val!

Flash_25296
May 28 2007, 06:15 PM
I am very tired after the weekend but it was a great one, I was the scoring director for the event and took care of all of the scoring statistics and tee times. We loaded all players individual hole scores after each card was turned in and calculated the course statistics by hole for each course after the second round. It was interesting to see which holes were playing the hardest by division. Sorry for the live scoring problems, the course is a little remote and the two courses are very large and cover a significant amount of land and sometimes the hand held radios were not covering it very well, we were reduced to using cell phones to call the scores in, and they were promptly updated when the PDGA laptop and trio would stay connected to the PDGA server. Next year we will need to investigate a better solution and possible the use of re-transmitters on the course.

The three way tie definately caused a frenzy but not because of the act itself as we had planned for a possible playoff, but just that the score card didn't make it to the scoring tent very quickly to allow for verification of a tie. Soon after the score card was received we verified it, issued a new score card for the playoff holes and the Marshall took care of the rest. Like John Duesler said though it was a little difficult setting up the playoff on live scoring and on the fly and we could do a better job at that, but with John even having difficulty with exactly what to do I don't feel too bad about it. We will strive to do a better job next year with the communication of scores to viwers online, and possibly have live scoring all three days!

tpozzy
May 28 2007, 07:38 PM
great shooting Val!



I was recording video of the Open Women's final round, and managed to catch this amazing shot on the 1067 foot par 5 hole 14 (East course). This is one of the reasons she was a point shy of a 1000 rated round!

Val Jenkins' 4th shot on 14 East (Windows Media format) (http://www.pdgatour.com/video/Val_Fairway_Shot.wmv) (Real Video format) (http://www.pdgatour.com/video/Val_Fairway_Shot.rmvb)

Jeff_LaG
May 28 2007, 10:08 PM
Fairway ace! Nice shot, Val.

Any chance the payouts for this event will be uploaded at pdga.com and pdgatour.com?

Flash_25296
May 28 2007, 10:32 PM
They should be soon, I think everyone is trying to recover!

wolfpackgolfer
May 29 2007, 02:08 AM
Just would like to send out a big thanks to everyone who helped me out during my stay on the west coast and to everyone who made this tournament one of the best I've ever been a part of :) You guys were great!

atxdiscgolfer
May 29 2007, 02:11 AM
does anybody know if Jay Harbour accepted cash?

wolfpackgolfer
May 29 2007, 07:52 AM
he denied so he can go to both am and pro worlds

wander
May 29 2007, 09:48 AM
Nice shot Val!

Nice shooting, Theo!

I'm looking forward to the dvd. Let me know if you'd like to share something with DGL. And of course if a broadcast opportunity pops up, its always nice to hear about that.

Enjoy the editing.

Joe

ellswrth
May 29 2007, 01:00 PM
Very Nice!

I love having video links to send around to all my coworkers.

jenpadham
May 29 2007, 01:52 PM
I was so excited to be a part of this event. The courses, the volunteers, the TDs were all amazing. This tournament rocked.

I love the fact that I get to make a dvd of an event that is obviously so special to everyone involved. I just hope that the 2007 Beaver State Fling DVD lives up to how great the actual 3 days were. I'll try my best.

Thank you guys. Oregon is awesome!

Flash_25296
May 29 2007, 02:28 PM
Fairway ace! Nice shot, Val.

Any chance the payouts for this event will be uploaded at pdga.com and pdgatour.com?



They are up now, Yes Jay Harbour Denied cash

Greg_R
May 29 2007, 08:20 PM
First, some housework, Carrie reached out and buried a 24 footer on the final hole forcing Kathy to make her 17 footer. She missed wide left and Carrie completed her unlikely comeback to take second.

It should be noted that Kathy blew out her knee the day before and played the last round hobbling around on 1 leg. Great job toughing it out trying to hold onto 2nd place...

The crowd reaction when Dave hit his long putt on 18 was huge... I can't wait to see and hear it on the DVD.

briangraham
May 29 2007, 09:24 PM
Final round coverage of the Beaver State Fling NT Event has been posted at PDGAtour.com (http://pdgatour.com).

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

wander
May 30 2007, 09:27 AM
I get to make a dvd of an event that is obviously so special to everyone involved. I just hope that the 2007 Beaver State Fling DVD lives up to how great the actual 3 days were. I'll try my best.



Can there be any doubt? I have none. This will be a must-see.

Joe

Flash_25296
Jun 06 2007, 02:43 AM
<u>Items left behind at the 2007 Beaver State Fling:</u>

Blue London Fog umbrella with name E.H. Simmonds
Blue backed chair with name Fiedler
Medium brown rain jacket brand name Bermudes
Long Sleeve Blue Pearl Izumi shirt
Blue Long Sleeve shirt with Final 9 patch on back
US Snowboarding brown T-shirt
2007 Canucks playoffs Towel
Black Patagonia Fleece Pants
Blue Micro fiber Towel
Stainless Steel Travel Mug
Blue Aleutian Bottle for water
Black Bolle sunglasses
Red AOS sunglasses
2006 BC Disc Golf Championships mini


Discs:
Jason Scrivner.............................. Trex
Ben Todd.....................................Orc
Dirk.........................................Raven
Lanson.......................................Beast
G Lyman..................................... Crush
Kyle Miller................................. Putter
Lainee.......................................Beast
Tanya....................................... Roc
Jason Armstrong..............................Roc
Getty three amigos 1991 us tour disc
Rick or steve cornwell...................... Aviar
Matt Little .................................Beast
Jared .......................................Beast
Justin F.................................... Beast

Jeff_LaG
Feb 06 2008, 03:21 PM
I get to make a dvd of an event that is obviously so special to everyone involved. I just hope that the 2007 Beaver State Fling DVD lives up to how great the actual 3 days were. I'll try my best.



Can there be any doubt? I have none. This will be a must-see.

Joe



Is it available yet?

Why not? :confused:

scottsearles
Feb 06 2008, 05:34 PM
From what is being put up on odsa. The ball is in Jens court and she's not returning anything..................... :confused: :mad:

Greg_R
Feb 06 2008, 09:14 PM
Jen Padham has fallen off the face of the Earth and has not returned anyone's phone numbers or e-mails. Given the amount of time and money invested (by all parties) I can't imagine what the problem is with releasing the DVD (the last semi-official word was that editing was complete).

scottsearles
Feb 13 2008, 05:36 PM
I get to make a dvd of an event that is obviously so special to everyone involved. I just hope that the 2007 Beaver State Fling DVD lives up to how great the actual 3 days were. I'll try my best.



Can there be any doubt? I have none. This will be a must-see.

Joe



Is it available yet?

Why not? :confused:




still waiting to hear................ :confused: :mad: