The Festival of Roses VI Pro/Am April 28-29, 2007, Orangeburg SC

Edisto Memorial Gardens Disc Golf Course, Orangeburg, SC

Here is a link to the tourney flyer from the SCDGO.net web site (http://scdgo.net/2007_festival_of_roses_flyer.pdf) PDF

This is a "C" tier event and an SCDGO points event.

All of the good info is on the flyer. If you have any questions I can also help so feel free to post. Hope to see everyone there.

WHY ARE WE HAVING 2 SC POINT SERIES EVENTS THE SAME WEEKEND? THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. I KNOW THAT ORANGEBURGS WEEKEND WAS TAKEN BY THE HALL OF FAME BUT COULDN'T THEY HAVE SCHEDULED FOR A DIFFERENT WEEKEND? I'D LOVE TO PLAY THIS TOURNAMENT BUT THEY SCHEDULED IT SO LATE THAT I HAD MADE PLANS FOR SATURDAY SO I COULD PLAY SENECA SUNDAY... JUST WONDERING

I agree with Mike, it really sucks that there couldn't have been a little bit of coordination between the Seneca TD and the O'burg TD, but then the Seneca tourney is being run in conjunction with the Saturday tourney at Toccoa, so that would've had to been worked out with the Toccoa TD. What I WOULD like to have seen is the Festival of Roses tourney posted AT LEAST A MONTH AGO! I already signed up for Seneca like a lot of other people even though I'd rather play O'burg.

I was suprised also. I am not the TD but I felt compelled to add a PDGA discussion thread about this event so more people could know that it still existed. It has been listed on SCDGO.net (http://SCDGO.net) for a couple weeks. I will be assisting them in any way that I can with the event. People withdraw from tournaments all the time so just make a choice.

I hope to be playing at Orangeburg.

I wish this old Orangeburg native could help you guys with some of your answers but I cant....Im not sure how all the tourneys in close proximity(Georgia, Seneca, Orangeburg) got put on the same date but I guess there is really no other choices especially because I know Orangeburgs tournament has to be on this date because it coincides with the Annual Festival....So yeah

So are you coming home to play your course? I only see 13 people signed up for the Seneca event. NC has an event pretty close that weekend also. We are blessed to have so many options for great disc golf.

I thought the Festival of Roses coincided with the larger Festival also, but it seems the actual Festival is in May. Seneca also has a commitment of sorts; they are tied in with Toccoa to provide 2, 1-day tournaments on the same weekend.

It's too bad it turned out this way. I see an almost identical discussion going on in North Carolina, where Asheville & Sanford have tournaments the same weekend; Asheville's is tied into their town festival. I think Orangeburg's traditional week was a week earlier, but it was snatched by the Hall of Fame NT event in Augusta.

Few will remember but, in the mid-90s when I started playing tournaments, there were 3 events a year in South Carolina, 2 of which were at Earlewood (Winthrop also held an event; these were also the only 2 courses in SC). You either waited 4 months between events, or hauled to NC or GA.....and even at that, one a month was about all there was. So this snafu is, in large part, a side effect of the tremendous growth of the sport. As problems go, it's a nice problem to have.

It would be nice if there was a system for "locking in" traditional dates for established events, though the NT would still bump a B or C tier. Earlier sanctioning, to get on the PDGA calendar, would also be nice.

David is right. This is a "nice" problem to have!! My problem is deciding whether to play one day at Seneca or take another day off from work (I'm scheduled to work that weekend) and play both days at O'burg. I'd prefer to play wherever the biggest participation level will be, but O'burg is not even listed on the PDGA.com schedule yet. Decision decisions......

Im not sure if Im going home to play that tourney yet...The chances are yes, however Mike and I have discussed playing in Seneca because we thought the tourney wasnt sanctioned. We will have to see

The really crass thing to do would be to sign up for Orangeburg....if you have a bad Saturday, ditch it and go to Seneca and start fresh. But I would never suggest such a thing.

I originally planned to play Orangeburg this year but, when they didn't appear on the schedule, signed up for Hall-of-Fame instead. I can only play a limited number of events --- there's always work to do at Stoney Hill --- but if I were playing, I'd choose one of the conflicting events this year, and promise to play the other next year.

Of course, all of this "choosing" is from those of us residing between the two choices. I'm sure for everyone in the lowcountry, Orangeburg is much more convenient.

The most interesting effect is SCDGO points. Since they're based on finish, not how many you beat, this will be a bonus chance to rack up on points for the SCDGO series. TWO winners will get 50 points, etc., and the field diluted by the two events.

I spoke with the PDGA today and it is being sanctioned today and should be listed today also on the schedule. So no worries in that area. It is also, as David mentioned, an SCDGO event, and that is all we really care about anyway. SC!!!!!!!

The really crass thing to do would be to sign up for Orangeburg....if you have a bad Saturday, ditch it and go to Seneca and start fresh. But I would never suggest such a thing.



Believe it or not David, I actually DID think about doing this! But the more I think about it the more I believe I will be attending Seneca, since at least it's a sanctioned event.

On a side note, David did you ever finish your house at Stoney Hill? And when is the inaugral tournament??

re: Stoney Hill (off topic)

I haven't exactly "finished" my house, but I moved in 2-19-07. There's still lots of little things to finish. With that, and daylights savings, we can now play and schedule tee-times after 6:00.

Inaugural event, not quite a tournament, was bring-your-partner doubles on the Sunday after March Madness. We had 11 people.

Not sure when we'll have a full tournament. One thought is to have a 1-day on Sunday after the Madness in the future. This would give people a chance to play one, or both, events, as suits them (like Toccoa and Seneca, which I just mention to make this reply peripherally relative to this thread), and camp out Saturday night if they want. I'd prefer a 2-day event at another time. This is the very best time to play Stoney Hill, because we've had all winter to cut grass and work on the course,and it hasn't started regrowing yet. Fall is the next best time, because it's beautiful and dry and, in September, we start catching up on the grass cutting. Either time, the famous winds are at their best. In summer the weeds get ahead of us, though I'm hoping we'll do better with me living there now (see first paragraph, if you've forgotten), and in winter the place turns to muck.

Come on out and visit sometime.

David

.............and now, everyone else can get back to the subject at hand.

It is also, as David mentioned, an SCDGO event, and that is all we really care about anyway. SC!!!!!!!



And also a fine course, so no one who chooses Orangeburg will be disappointed.

Im leaning towards Orangeburg, and im glad its sanctioned

I wish this old Orangeburg native could help you guys with some of your answers but I cant....Im not sure how all the tourneys in close proximity(Georgia, Seneca, Orangeburg) got put on the same date but I guess there is really no other choices especially because I know Orangeburgs tournament has to be on this date because it coincides with the Annual Festival....So yeah



I would think that the tournament would be held on the festival dates (May 5-6)

I could be wrong, but I don't ever remember the tournament being held on the same date as the fesitval.

Too bad Orangeburg isn't a 1 day tournament..say Saturday only.

I don't know much about any festivals outside of the disc golf festival that is going down. The dates were changed due to the NT event the normal weekend. So they moved it back a weekend. It is never possible to please everyone. We have jugled the Trophy Lakes event for all sorts of other tournaments to try and get the most players. It disappoints me when people still don't show. Oh well.

never been to trophy lakes due to some reason or another, but **** sure won't miss it this year. I've heard too many good things and no bad things. plus its a point series event

The first 2 years of the Rose Festival the tournament was held on the actual weekend of the festival however every year since the tourney has been the weekend before due to the logistics of parking, traffic, bass tournament, etc.....and this year because of the NT and the other tourneys it just happened to have to be put on the same weekend as the Seneca tourney

We have jugled the Trophy Lakes event for all sorts of other tournaments to try and get the most players. It disappoints me when people still don't show. Oh well.



I'll be at Trophy Lakes this year as well. Jonas, I take it you will be the TD for that event? Is camping allowed at Trophy Lakes?

I wish this old Orangeburg native could help you guys with some of your answers but I cant....Im not sure how all the tourneys in close proximity(Georgia, Seneca, Orangeburg) got put on the same date but I guess there is really no other choices especially because I know Orangeburgs tournament has to be on this date because it coincides with the Annual Festival....So yeah



Just up the road in Charlotte is the Discourse Open. So that makes 4 events that are fighiting for SC players. It's pretty nuts. The Toccoa and Seneca events is crazy. They are 20 miles apart!!! That would be like scheduling a tournament in Charlotte and one in Rock Hill too.

Coordination is getting to be a pain with everyone now wanting to run a tournament. I think that we should all be talking tournaments up to all the non-tourney players because it looks like there is no shortage of tournament space in the near future.

Good to see many options in the SC, GA, NC area. Tourneys conflicting with each other will happen more often in SC. More and more clubs and courses these days = more events. I love the Orangeburg course, in all the layouts. Unfortunately, or fortunately, however you look at it, Toccoa and Seneca are closer for me. Everybody have fun at the Orangeburg tourney.

Toccoa is a Saturday event and Seneca on Sunday. Lots of players in those areas.

We (Charlotte Disc Golf Club) looked hard at the calendar for the Renny event (as we have the last 2 years). We have the Points Bonanza in June (long-standing tradition), so we did not want to put it in May to get them too close together. Later in the summer is too hot for a grueling course like Renny, plus the underbrush is much more manageable in spring. The fall does not work since the Charlotte Open (A-Tier) and the USDGC consume a ton of time and focus from the CDGC.

You need a lot of daylight for 2 rounds at Renny, so April works well. In April is also the HOF Classic and Dogwood Crosstown and Easter weekend (which Tarheel/Chapel Hill ended up taking). We took the Discourse Open down to a C-Tier so as not to conflict with Toccoa & Seneca which are B-Tiers.

My opinion (and I realize others have vastly differing opinions on this) is that competition is good. If you want good attendance at your event, make it worthy of attracting more players away from competing events to come and play in yours. If we have better events across the board, everyone wins!

The downside of competing events on the same weekend is for all those who'd like to play both (or all three or all four) events, and have to choose. Better coordination, including respect for established dates for established events, gives players more choices. The competition that drives us to bigger events is for the players who don't play every weekend, to decide which weekends & tournaments they will choose.

We build more courses....and every course wants to host an event.....or two or three per year....in five or ten years, multiple events on the same weekend, in fairly close proximity, will probably be the norm. Especially in spring & fall.

Camping is available at the lake for a cheap fee. They even have power hookups and a nice relaxing lake to take a dip in after the rounds are done, hopefully not diving for your disc. I will start a thread for the Trophy event this week.

Orangeburg is the closest event for me and I always look forward to playing there. It will be a fun event.

I posted the current registration list on PDGA this morning. Send in your registration and drop me a note for quick addition to the pre-reg list.

The list is getting longer.

Does anyone know who has the #1 SC state tag? Will it be coming to Orangeburg?

WHICH TOURNEY WILL BRING MORE, ORANGEBURG OR SENECA....THE RACE IS ON!

Farnham is such a TRADER! he was signed for seneca! Couldn't expect somebody to skip the hometown tourney though! just thought I would add that in there.!

With the recent storms, Orangeburg's front 9 is underwater. As of today, they've decided to play the "other side of the street" as well as the traditional back nine. Hooray!!

Jonas,
I hear some old guy from North Augusta that can barely walk has the #1 SC Bag Tag. I'll be glad to bring it to Orangeburg.

Sweet!

I have #2 today but I will have to withstand the gauntlet of our club monthly at Trophy Lakes April 21st. All are welcome to our club monthly, 11:00 AM at the lakes.

See you soon

I forgot I have the Hall of Fame this weekend, so by the time Orangeburg gets here I might be the proud owner of number 62.

Good luck in the HOFC! I will try and take down my locals in Chucktown.

Just to let everyone know, Scotty Odom and myself are now the official 1st ever National Collegiate Doubles Team Champions, so that means a national title for the Gamecocks.

And almost forgot, I will see everyone in Orangeburg

What is up with the PDGA scoring for that event? It looks like the gamecocks DNF'd?

We didnt have enough players for Sunday because I had to go home and study for a final exam. But we did
represent on Friday taking home the doubles title.

I know I'm late for the the discussion on multiple tournaments in the same state but I have a solution....Just follow in Travis and Coral's footsteps and enter both. Orangeburg on Sat, Seneca on Sunday. I wonder if he knows??

I guess everyone wants to have a tourney these days. I just saw yesterday that another event is scheduled the same weekend as our Trophy Lakes event June 23-24.

I hear ya Jonas.The same guys put one on the weekend of the Upstate Classic in Nov.

I guess everyone wants to have a tourney these days.



.....or two....or three....or four....

The real solution is to have more weekends during the year. 52 just won't do it anymore. Is anyone working on this project?

I guess everyone wants to have a tourney these days. I just saw yesterday that another event is scheduled the same weekend as our Trophy Lakes event June 23-24.



From what I hear, Trophy Lakes is incredible so don't think there is much worry there. Chucktown will represent for SURE!

This is unfortunate. But when the TD is the PDGA tour manager, what can you say? I am not in committee with the SC coordinator, but it does ask the question when you fill out the sanctioning agreement "Has the State Coordinator approved these dates (required for B & C tiers) ?"

I guess the answer has to be ??

The UFO/Greenville in August is in close proximity to the Augusta event now scheduled the same weekend.

Maybe the game is just that big now.

I have always contacted the pdga and sanctioned the M.M event within the 1st week of January and then contacted all the clubs within a 3 hour drive and let them know of my dates. With the help of all the clubs and by giving them at least 3 months notice, I have been able to avoid any conflicts in schedule. However, Charlotte still put on a 1 day Match Play tournament the same day as my 1 day Match Play tournament....even though I had held mine on the same day for 5 years now and had emailed them to let them know. So it isn't 100% perfect..Just a thought for those planning events...

Well for what it's worth, the UFO tourney may be on the SCDGO website but it's NOT on the PDGA schedule. Had the Festival of Roses gotten the word out via the PDGA schedule like Seneca did, I'd be going to The Burg next weekend....instead I'm Seneca bound.

But I agree that it's TOTALLY screwed up how the Augusta people scheduled a tourney the same weekend as Trophy Lakes. What's that about?????? Isn't there some condition that even "C" tiers need to be separated by so many miles (I'm too lazy to look that stuff up) in order to happen on identical weekends? So now, both tourneys are going to split competitors who'd normally play both. Great job Augusta!! :mad:

As I read it, separation requirement for C-tiers is 25 miles. Bump to a B-tier, and there can be no C-tiers within 75 miles.

Early sanctioning (so events appear on PDGA calendar), and the courtesy to respect traditional dates and dates already taken and shown on PDGA calendar, would help. According to PDGA tour page, there are 17 weekends that currently have no events scheduled in SC, NC, or GA. Throw out a couple of holidays and a half-dozen traditional events that are not yet sanctioned, and there still should be plenty of available weekends for the growing tour. Wouldn't it be great to fill in the calendar first, before we start doubling up?

We hope to host at Stoney Hill in 2008, and will certainly be looking for a date with as little conflict as possible, to benefit the TDs and players alike.

On the other hand.....

PDGA statistics indicate 73 sanctioned events in S.C. and its neighboring states last year. Plus assorted ice bowls and other unsanctioned events. So maybe we do have to learn to share the calendar a little more.

Sitting here in Columbia, centrally located and within a 2-hour drive of Charlotte, Augusta, Upstate, and the Lowcountry, perhaps we should just celebrate our choices.

And, for myself, to wish I could make it to the fine Edisto Gardens course this year, and envy all of you who do.

17 and 18 will be playing from long to long. Great test of golf shots.

Lets not look down on all of Augusta. It is only a couple of folks who work with the PDGA who choose these dates. They
dont know what weekend those old tourneys were on. The solution is to sanction your tourneys early like they did not wait around and assume you have that date. I do agree that
you should keep original dates. The sport is growing fast and that will not work for long. See yall at the NT

I sanctioned the Trophy Lakes event over a month ago and it is not until June. They registered the Riverview event after.

correct me if I'm wrong Mr. O but the person who is the TD for the augusta event is also the pdga tour manager. If so, he should have know about the dates. right??

David Sauls had it right, there is no reason in the rules for there not to be a tournament in both locations. I am only disapointed personnally and I think Augusta roc's along with indigenous golfers.

So Hooray for Orangeburg right?

Come on down and play!

Happy B-Day Jonas!

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I totally agree w/ ya'll. Yes he is the tour manager. I don't know what happened. I like to keep things the way they are. I will have a talk w/ Gentry myself in order to hopefully aleviate these problems in the future.

Scotty O rules. Said it, done. Good luck to everbody next weekend in the Big "O". Great park and course down there.

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The weather looks good. Maybe a stray storm or 2 to knock the dust off the trees. I heard they did some trimming and cleaned the course up nice for the tournament, thanks Team Oburg!

Lets not look down on all of Augusta. It is only a couple of folks who work with the PDGA who choose these dates. They
dont know what weekend those old tourneys were on. The solution is to sanction your tourneys early like they did not wait around and assume you have that date. I do agree that
you should keep original dates. The sport is growing fast and that will not work for long. See yall at the NT



The best solution for all of these doubling up tournaments and what-not is to have more players play tournaments. If we could bring in more members and have more Recreational players start to play tournaments to get them into the action and find out just how much fun it is on top of the great people you meet and make friends with, then whether there were 4 tournaments in 1 weekend in SC they could all fill up or come close to it. The tournament that should have another one in the state with it on the same weekend is the Earlewood classic, so if you don't get in on time, you have more options...Hell, put one at Chapin and one at Earlewood...Atleast if you're on the waiting list and aren't going to get in, you can hit the interstate and be at Chapin in 30-45 minutes and still have a great weekend of golf at another GREAT course!...just my opinion...if we can't agree who's hosting where and when, then have more people play...bring all your friends, have them play rec...most will get hooked after the first tourney.

OR as David states, we really just need to create more weekends in the month.

It seems like Nov-March is the best time for disc golf in SC. Maybe everyone is scared of the heat in the summer months.

There is always a nice refreshing dip in the ditch at Orangburg.

less than 3 days to go!

Jonas....I believe you were in Govan, August 2005. If that wasn't hot enough, what do you have in mind?

The schedule seems quite crowded for March through May, then September through mid-December. I nominate Trophy Lakes as most likely to be sweltering this year, Charleston humidity and all that....people may be deliberately throwing into the water, just to have a chance to retrieve their discs.

But it looks to be beautiful for Festival of Roses this weekend. Hope there's a big Saturday-morning registration.

Sure can't wait to take a dip in trophy lakes...Atleast I won't have horrible flashbacks for the back-to-back years I got into the duck sh*t infested pond at the charleston classic in the 30-40 degree weather or in the fountain where a roofing tack that went through Chris Sauls' waiters and halfway in my right foot...Felt like i had a golf ball in my shoes sunday that had needles emitting from them into my foot to hold it into place.

I also hope there is a great rush in registration Saturday for the tourney....I would sure like to see everyone come for the tourney....and yes Chris will be bringing a new girl to walk around this year. LoL

Chris,
Can you bring an extra pretty young caddy (or 2) for me? That disc golf bag sure gets heavy for us guys over forty. :cool:

And I'd also like to request some extra young, good-looking, college guys for me ... ditto for the heavy golf bag for ladies over 40 as well!

Seneca is where it's at this weekend!! Well, Sunday anyway....so skip The Burg and head to the upstate!!!

Mel &amp; Vanessa, I can't make any promises but the girl Im bringing is a USC Cheerleader so maybe she can bring a few from the cheerleading squad lol :D

See yall there, And as always Mike F. says the invitation stands if you need a place Mel.

Mel &amp; Vanessa, I can't make any promises but the girl Im bringing is a USC Cheerleader so maybe she can bring a few from the cheerleading squad lol :D

See yall there, And as always Mike F. says the invitation stands if you need a place Mel.



Can't guarantee she has all her teeth though. You know how we do it down her in South Cackalack!

Very true Mike, you know me too well :D

You guys may not know, but I grew up in West Virginia. Any teeth at all is an improvement.

You guys may not know, but I grew up in West Virginia. Any teeth at all is an improvement.



LOL...Well, I work in the GhEtTo in Columbia and I see a full set of teeth every 3 or 4 customers, combined together. I love my women ALL GUMS!

Mel Shuman, a Mountaineer? Wow thats suprising, im glad to see that you have a full smile.

The presence of college cheerleaders at our tourneys would seem to be a good thing. I'm not sure this line of flirtatious chatter is encouraging their attendance, however.

Chris,

She has got to wear the cheerleader uniform. There would be no way for you to lose. :o
See you this weekend.

Haha, lets hope I dont need a girl in a cheerleading out fit to win, but I dont mind introducing ladies to the sport......

See everyone Saturday....travel safely...Oh yeah Ive got some new Questat midranges and putters that are pretty awesome that I will be bringing the the course too..

Later

On that note, make some noise during disc golf. Even tournaments. How do we sell disc golf with everyone going around shooshing.

Wouldn't putting be more fun if we left the ballgolf model behind, and instead hollered and taunted the thrower like a free-throw shooter in basketball?

More fun for the hecklers, anway.

Golfers are a special breed. We need complete silence to focus and achieve a state of zen prior to each putt/throw.

We must remember to have fun.

Jonas, We are having our 1st event at Stoney Hill Sat. June 23rd, same as Charleston.....no I'm just kidding. Sat. June 9th. This is a BYOB event. Hope Chuck Town is well represented. Free Camping.

That date looks pretty good for me, as long as B stands for bizzle, I'm izzle for shizzle.

it can B what every you want it to B

What a nice set of pics and stuff on the web site. It looks and sounds like a great place to play. Stoney Hill (http://www.saulsinsurance.com/stoneyhill/)

If you guys do up a flyer I can post it at the Charleston courses.

It looks like the original front 9 will be in play this weekend. As of Thursday night the water all dried up.

What a nice set of pics and stuff on the web site. It looks and sounds like a great place to play. Stoney Hill (http://www.saulsinsurance.com/stoneyhill/)

An InCrEdIbLe place to play...This course will definitely test your mental game...Real easy place to kick your bag...Or Tell your fellow opponents to go F*** theirselves eh Jonas?

If you guys do up a flyer I can post it at the Charleston courses.

What a nice set of pics and stuff on the web site. It looks and sounds like a great place to play. Stoney Hill (http://www.saulsinsurance.com/stoneyhill/)



If you guys do up a flyer I can post it at the Charleston courses.



An InCrEdIbLe place to play...This course will definitely test your mental game...Real easy place to kick your bag...Or Tell your fellow opponents to go F*** theirselves eh Jonas?

Scores for first 2 rounds, first day? How many ended up showing for the tournament! Great weather I assume...Hope everybody is having a blast!

I meant every word I said to you.

If you guys do up a flyer I can post it at the Charleston courses.



We would be grateful if you could print the webpage www.saulsinsurance.com/stoneyhill/challenge.htm (http://www.saulsinsurance.com/stoneyhill/challenge.htm) and post it on the Charleston Courses. If this doesn't come out well, e-mail me at david@saulsinsurance.com and I'll e-mail you a scanned copy.

So how'd things go this weekend? Weather was near-perfect, but if you got the same winds we got at Stoney Hill Saturday afternoon, the back 9 must have been an adventure!

I meant every word I said to you.



You sure do have good sportsmanship you sore loser! You just can't stand being beat! and the next time that it happens I won't be so level headed about things. This sport is all about having fun and enjoying the people you play with. If you get beat, so be it! Man up, say good round and leave it at that and don't cry like a little baby and curse at your fellow opponents. That made you look so LOW as a person and you lost a lot of respect from other players who were there that day that couldn't believe you acted the way you did!

The scores are up!

Great shooting to all the winners, it was a great event and I am looking forward to next year.

Yes, the weather was fantastic.

Nice to see six women competing....hopefully a trend toward larger women's fields in the future for events in these parts.

Hope next year's scheduling works out a little better, for all concerned.