We gave out 750 Diablo-Dt's at bowling green his week.
and they are pdga approved.

We would love to hear some feedback from anyone that has received them. I personally have thrown several shots well over 500.

The Diablo-dt will be in the next Auto ship program so we should have a lot of hype going by the time we release them ( about April 23rd)

Played a big open course today where I was able to get a lot of big shots with it. I like it a lot we had about a 10mph wind and still was able to control it a lot. I was able to get it further than my raging inferno dt and have more glide out of it on an anhyzer line. It also has enough stability not to come out of a big s shot to early. Parker a hole thats 440ft ontop of an 8ft mound of dirt with it.

I threw mine today in very extreme wind (its even more windy than it was for the tournament last weekend). I like it so far, but its hard to learn a disc in a hurricane.

I threw mine today in very extreme wind (its even more windy than it was for the tournament last weekend). I like it so far, but its hard to learn a disc in a hurricane.



Same here. I threw it in my backyard, and while I got a very nice hyzer flip shot it was the only way to throw it because of the wind. Hopefully it'll die down soon so I can get a full analysis as well.

T Butler, a Junior 101 Member, had some sick shots with this disc. We stopped by Idlewild on our way back from BG and he tickled the chains on 18 with it from the second LZ, right inside the woods. It was a nice shot. Did you 4 that Tbut?

Cuz I did :D

And also, walking back across the soccer field to the parking lot, he put it from behind one net, into the net on the other side.

And I also threw it 200' farther than you threw your surge on hole 1 DS. Yeah the Diablo is sweet for straight up distance, its really flippy but i bombs in a tailwind.

Got Mine in the mail today.

quick story. Last Friday night I was warming up for the PRO Crosstown here in NC. I stepped in a hole and rolled my left ankle! Lets Just say it hurt bad. It also swelled up bad.


I threw the Diablo-DT today on a hurt foot farther than any other disc i own. With only 70% power it went 50-70 ft further! On top of that I used my Golf Distance throw. Not my pure distance throw!!!!!

Thanks Dave! Keep up the good work!!!!!

Joe Palermo and I threw his around the park yesterday. Good distance, but I didn't like how mud gets stuck in the dimples. I didn't throw it enough to tell if this would drastically effect the flight. Anyone have problems with this or should I not be concerned with it?

I just purchased mine today from a guy that went to the BG AMs and brought it back to Florida. I only threw it 4 or 5 times. No wind whith a little hyzer release flips up and flies straight and finishes straight. Every throw with 80 to 90% power 400-415 every throw. Now it is currently the longest disc in the bag it may replace the Pro Wraith. The durability through may not hold up well, but we will find out after a few weeks of use. Hit a tree 8ft in the air still flying straight at 400ft.
Way to go Gateway the bag is growing with their plastic.

Joe Palermo and I threw his around the park yesterday. Good distance, but I didn't like how mud gets stuck in the dimples. I didn't throw it enough to tell if this would drastically effect the flight. Anyone have problems with this or should I not be concerned with it?



We'll just have to put old toothbrushes in the bag...

Joe Palermo and I threw his around the park yesterday. Good distance, but I didn't like how mud gets stuck in the dimples. I didn't throw it enough to tell if this would drastically effect the flight. Anyone have problems with this or should I not be concerned with it?



Time to start carrying a brush in the bag :)

All these DT discs should come with a Gateway branded toothbrush!
"Lets have a logo contest for the toothbrush!"
;)

And I also threw it 200' farther than you threw your surge on hole 1 DS. Yeah the Diablo is sweet for straight up distance, its really flippy but i bombs in a tailwind.



Wow 200'? DId you par that?

Cuz I did :D

All these DT discs should come with a Gateway branded toothbrush!
"Lets have a logo contest for the toothbrush!"
;)


:D


sleepy

Dave, I can not say enough about this driver. When you sent it with the autoship I thought what the heck is this. I took it out with my new Infernos to throw and I was mad that I had just ordered the Inferno and this new Diablo DT was so much nicer. The accuracy and distance was amazing. This disc also likes to hover near the ground. I had a shot that flew about 1" off the ground over 150 ft. Today out at Blue Mountain at our bag tag, I threw the Diablo DT on a downhill shot, it went straight at the basket and didn't turnover or fade. If it were not for the big Lodgepole pines growing in front of the basket I might have hit an ace on a 540 ft. hole. I am definitely adding several of these to my bag.

I threw this disc for the first time yesterday, this is an awsome disc! Very easy to throw, flys straight for a long time with a little fade at the end, even flys well into headwinds that are not to strong. i was throwing 400 plus foot shots into a good 15 to 20 mph headwinds yesterday, this disc will be in my bag at bowling green next weekend for sure!
Dave, nice job my friend :)

Tim Keith

how would you guys compare this to the inferno and ri dt? stability wise?

I think it is a little more stable than any of the inferno lineup

TK

What color were the Diablo's given out at BG? I just bought one off eBay and it looked a little brown, which would be cool by me. I really like those old Whamo 40 molds that were made in brown plastic.

I saw green, brown, red, and copper just among the folks that I went with, but I'm sure there were other colors.

Does that mean less over-stable and more straight stable? Or more over-stable? Thanks!

Does that mean less over-stable and more straight stable? Or more over-stable? Thanks!



Kinda both. Not as flippy as the Infernos.

I would say the disc is very Stable meaning STRAIGHT!
They are as fast than any disc we have made and have more glide, which is exactly what the dimples are intended to do.

Players with a lot of Rotation can flip them up from Hyzer and players with less rotation can start them out with a little reverse. They seem to be really straight stable or have a "neutral stability" over a very wide range of speeds.
I would consider the Diablo-DT a Hyzer flip up disc for me, but for guys with 300 power they can be released flat or even with a little anny!
Ive seen some crazy long drives with them, they just seem to stay in the air a lot longer than anything else Ive seen!

They can be thrown very low to the ground without flipping over, the dimples do gather some mud though if the course is not grassy.
Using an old tooth brush is a good idea, and its recycling :)

Is this a gateway disc or a gateway/quest disc? Does the top have the plastic like the inferno, where it goes from rough to smooth?
I cant find any information on your website about it.
-Matt

hey dave, any chance of posting some images w/ the profiles of all these new drivers?

so would you say the flight is like a long sabre without the same height required?

Is this a gateway disc or a gateway/quest disc? Does the top have the plastic like the inferno, where it goes from rough to smooth?
I cant find any information on your website about it.
-Matt



It is Gateway-Quest, and yes the plastic goes from rough to smooth.

I got out this weekend and played 3 rounds with the Diablo Dt, 2 at Sioux Passage and 1 at Creve Coeur.

All I can say is that the speed and glide of this discs is almost unbelievable. I threw some drives that were "hyzer all the way" well over 400 feet, which is pretty hard to do with a Frisbee this fast.
The stability is just about perfect for a high speed driver.

When I did get it turned over some it seemed to take so long to come out of it while penetrating forward the whole time, never seeming to lose speed.
Today I reached hole 16 in the long position at Creve Coeur which is about 425, the amazing thing was that it was never over 6 feet off the ground.

Its like an inferno that can be thrown lower to the ground.

Looks like we are going to get geared up for an art contest for the diablo in a few days.

How do you submit artwork again?

I had a chance to throw my friend's Diablo DT yesterday. I only threw it once and I threw it exactly like I would throw my Surge or a Wraith and it flew on the exact line I was imagining. It flipped just enough to flex, but came right back. It had more glide during this part of the flight than any of Gateway's other drivers (the Inferno does not fight back). It was just as fast as any of Gateway's other new drivers. Congrats Dave, I think you guys finally got the stability/glide just right. This disc is going to be popular with Innova/Discraft throwers and will be easier to compare with Wraiths and Surges.
Now...to have a chance of getting in my bag it needs to be more durable so that it keeps that money stability! I would think that dimple technology could help to make it easier to produce discs of the highest durability that still have glide and a nuetral stability.

Some of the runs of the Diablo-DT were made with the SRP polymer that is similar to our E.
I have been throwing a few different ones and they seem to be great on abrasion and impact, but any disc with a sharper nose and thin flight plate is going to break down with direct hits into trees at 50 MPH!
We may put together some of our E batches which can be a little tougher for holding shape, and have them run the discs for us in that. I am pretty ha[[y with the polymers now, but woulnt mind seeing a candy type fundraising plastic!

The diablo is a GATEWAY release ( listed under Gateway by the pdga. It is made for us by Steve in Chicago at Quest.
Steve and I ( Gateway and Quest)are working together to help grow the game of discs golf, but for the time being we are 2 separate companies, just working together.
I know this is hard to believe in the disc golf world but its true and we hope that one day ALL of the disc manufactures can work together, the Sport would be much better of this could happen.

I will start a Thread for the Diablo art in a few days, we need to let the Rage and Blurr have its time in the light for a while before we start the full fledged marketing campaign for the Diablo-DT.

Dave,
What type plastic for the Diablo DT's at BG?

Dave,
What type plastic for the Diablo DT's at BG?



The one I threw felt similar to the Inferno. BTW, what exactly defines "Evolution Pro line" plastic? I've messed around with clear "Evolution Pro Line" discs that would hold up to a atom bomb. You can throw thumbers in the parking lot all day long and the disc would just be a little scratched up, and if it were one of the Spirits I've thrown like this, they would still be just as overstable. Then at the other extreme of "Evolution Pro Line" you've got the Inferno. Durability-wise this is glorified S plastic. In fact, S may even be more durable. The first Inferno I got I threw a couple of times in the field and it got a huge gash in the wing, presumably from hitting a lone rock or something in the grass (smaller than a lawnmower would hit). I really like to support Gateway because I think that you guys are really stirring things up in this sport, however, this type of marketing issue can really disappoint consumers/retailers who order by phone or internet and pay for something they do not get (durable Evolotion Pro Line plastic). I know that you guys are very reputable customer-service wise, but what about the people you never get the chance to explain yourselves to? Like I said, I see it as a marketing issue and I don't think you guys are trying to cheat retailers, but I guarantee the perception it creates at times reflects poorly on Gateway.

I'm still testing my Diablo-DT and it amazes me how something this understable holds up so well in a headwind. With my Rage, Proto Blurr, Sabre and Wizards, along with my Quest AT discs I think I might just convert.

I have only gotten a few throws off, but this disc does seem to have the potential to be the longest disc in my bag. I only got a few throws off with it as the second throw during a casual round. But it seemed to be a little longer than my surge in my first few throws, also with my first few throws I was pleased to find that it seems to have the stability close to an Orc or Surge but that was with only maybe 4-6 throws. If it continues to perform this way it may take my surges place in my bag. I was also pleased to find it hit a tree and then the top of a basket(wrong one of course) and I didn't see any visible damage.

Dave,
What type plastic for the Diablo DT's at BG?


They were run in a mix of E and SRP.
for the Evolution pro-line we run here in St Louis, we add about 10% of a firmer TPU that helps retain shape on impacts. It also makes the discs just feel beefy!
The Diablo's I have been throwing are awesome for abrasion resistance, but as I mentioned above, the sharper nose and thin flight plate are not the best scenario for holding up to direct hits into trees.
I see a beefier nosed diablo just around the corner!

Hey Dave, just want to let you know that you have a winner!! I'm glad to be on a team that is always trying new things and pushing the this sport into its future.

I promise this is my last post on this disc. But I went out today and finally had the confidence in the disc to really try and get it out there(by my standards). This thing is even better than I thought. My normal distance is around 300' give or take a little, I do however get up to around 320' on ocassion. I got up to close to 350' fighting a cross wind(outdrove a 330' hole by about 20') and probably around that same distance with the exact opposite crosswind today. If you took my longest five drives on relative flat ground without a tail wind 2 of them came today and I only threw it maybe 5 or 6 holes(was afraid to pull it out on anything under 300'). I came home and ordered 2 more. Don't change anything about this disc ever, it is the perfect distance driver for me anyways.

I promise this is my last post on this disc. But I went out today and finally had the confidence in the disc to really try and get it out there(by my standards). This thing is even better than I thought. My normal distance is around 300' give or take a little, I do however get up to around 320' on ocassion. I got up to close to 350' fighting a cross wind(outdrove a 330' hole by about 20') and probably around that same distance with the exact opposite crosswind today. If you took my longest five drives on relative flat ground without a tail wind 2 of them came today and I only threw it maybe 5 or 6 holes(was afraid to pull it out on anything under 300'). I came home and ordered 2 more. Don't change anything about this disc ever, it is the perfect distance driver for me anyways.


Why do you have to promise to make this your last post on this disc?

Hey Dave, just want to let you know that you have a winner!! I'm glad to be on a team that is always trying new things and pushing the this sport into its future.


Thanks kev.
did you get to talk to Justin Today.
How much room do you have at your house.
I think Nikko needs a place to stay!

I promise this is my last post on this disc. But I went out today and finally had the confidence in the disc to really try and get it out there(by my standards). This thing is even better than I thought. My normal distance is around 300' give or take a little, I do however get up to around 320' on ocassion. I got up to close to 350' fighting a cross wind(outdrove a 330' hole by about 20') and probably around that same distance with the exact opposite crosswind today. If you took my longest five drives on relative flat ground without a tail wind 2 of them came today and I only threw it maybe 5 or 6 holes(was afraid to pull it out on anything under 300'). I came home and ordered 2 more. Don't change anything about this disc ever, it is the perfect distance driver for me anyways.


Why do you have to promise to make this your last post on this disc?



I just figured people might think I was a little strange if I came on here everytime I went to the disc golf course and told people how much I liked the same disc. Especially considering I go 2-5 times a week anymore. But if anybody asks for an opinion on the disc trust me I will let them know that I like it.

I took it out on the course yesterday and it performed poorly for me. I dont know if it was me, but the course I was playing, Kereiakes, is a mix of open and wooded, but this disc stayed super stable. Any other time it was understable but I couldnt get it to turn over. I'm sure it was me, but next time I'll take it to a more open course and try it. I'm really wanting this to be one of my top distance drivers.

Mine is not understable at all, mine is actually close to the stability of an Orc or Surge. Even with a pretty strong cross wind of left to right which should have pushed it to flipping it started to turn but came out of and made an S curve. significantly. If you don't like yours I will be more than happy to buy it from you.

You'll never get my preciousssssss!!!!!!

I've already got 3 preciousses.

We will be releasing the Diablo-Dt's in the may auto ship program( have your favorite vendor contact me directly) or you can attend an event in Virginia or Memphis this weekend where they were made available in the players package like Bowling Green!
This is a very special disc(fast and furious) and the dawn of a new era in disc technology!

Mine is not understable at all, mine is actually close to the stability of an Orc or Surge. Even with a pretty strong cross wind of left to right which should have pushed it to flipping it started to turn but came out of and made an S curve. significantly. If you don't like yours I will be more than happy to buy it from you.




Mine was freaken awesome. I can actually throw this disc with a power grip ACCURATELY. It flies super straight and hass pretty good stablility and isn't that easy to flip. It basically goes straight and long for me which is something I couldn't get the RI-DT to do.

I took it out on the course yesterday and it performed poorly for me. I dont know if it was me, but the course I was playing, Kereiakes, is a mix of open and wooded, but this disc stayed super stable. Any other time it was understable but I couldnt get it to turn over. I'm sure it was me, but next time I'll take it to a more open course and try it. I'm really wanting this to be one of my top distance drivers.


Jd,
Most pro players usually get a small stack of discs and test fly them in a field before trying to introduce them into their game.
I would suggest hooking up with Robert or a few other guys who have them and test flying them by throwing 4 or 5 in a row in a field, not every other hole at Keriakes with hills, wind and trees before your really even sure what the disc does. Once you find the groove it will be your longest driver guaranteed or your money back!

Oh Snap!!! I don't need my money back.

Flies like a faster new Pro Starfire for me. Fast and a little understable, but glides and comes out of the turn at the end. Definitely a long disc... But not significantly longer than my wraiths.

Flies like a faster new Pro Starfire for me. Fast and a little understable, but glides and comes out of the turn at the end. Definitely a long disc... But not significantly longer than my wraiths.



I must have beefy ones because even a new Pro Starfire flips like crazy on me. I hope mine aren't weird though cause I like'em.

I can one step these things as far as I can throw the surge with a 3 or more x step. I love um!

I would say that it is definitely less stable than a surge or wraith during the high speed portion, but it glides a lot more than either one before dying out. I was throwing with a little bit of hyzer and aiming left... It would flip up flat and then turn right, and then start gliding... It would take quite a while before it would finally hyzer out. If I released with more hyzer, it would just flip up flat and ride that way for most of the flight. It basically feels and flies like a little bit more stable Raging Inferno DT.

I normally average around 380-390 on a distance throw, with an occasional pull over 400... I was throwing the Diablo right there in the same distance range, not any longer or shorter. It needs a little more side-to-side room for max distance than my wraiths, and the grip is pretty different from anything else in my bag. Thats why I'm not throwing it. I think its a good disc, it just doesnt fit how I'm throwing right now.

I took it out on the course yesterday and it performed poorly for me. I dont know if it was me, but the course I was playing, Kereiakes, is a mix of open and wooded, but this disc stayed super stable. Any other time it was understable but I couldnt get it to turn over. I'm sure it was me, but next time I'll take it to a more open course and try it. I'm really wanting this to be one of my top distance drivers.


Jd,
Most pro players usually get a small stack of discs and test fly them in a field before trying to introduce them into their game.
I would suggest hooking up with Robert or a few other guys who have them and test flying them by throwing 4 or 5 in a row in a field, not every other hole at Keriakes with hills, wind and trees before your really even sure what the disc does. Once you find the groove it will be your longest driver guaranteed or your money back!



I've been throwing it in my backyard since BG Ams, and it was performing awesome so I know it's me. But I'm going to take it out to Lovers Lane next week after the pro tourney since its an open course. The Rage I've been throwing flew awesome on this downhill hole at Kerieakes. I put some anny on it, and it held the line for a while before getting that stability to park it. I'm also throwing Quest AT gear along with other Gateway products because I'm wanting to slowly transition from INNOVA and Discraft to just Gateway and Quest AT. Hopefully by BG Ams 08 I'll be throwing those. The RI DT is quickly becoming a favorite driver, and is slowly replacing the Wraith.

so how does the diablo compare to the blurrs? those are my primary drivers, but I can't get them to hold a turn over, which is sometimes useful.

so how does the diablo compare to the blurrs? those are my primary drivers, but I can't get them to hold a turn over, which is sometimes useful.



The Diablo holds at straighter ling the whole way for me. The Blurr always flips early and then fades back. I like the Diable much more. The Diablos I had needed more anhyzer than I thought to stay over on a big D line.

If you like to release Hyzer, use the infernos and Diablos.
if you like to release with a little any use a blurr and rage.
Matt has a lot of speed and just as much spin and can control his discs by backing off of either or throwing nose up hyzer. He just prefers tight lines and other things tight :0
Not sure why he cant get the bomb as throws I get with the blurrs ( mine are far from Flipy, I over drove 13 up the hill and Sioux Passgage into the wind and over the road hyzer all the way. Thats big,,,, I have only seen Neal Swanson actually over the road into that northeast wind.

Got out for another round with the DiabloDT's this weekend at Festus. West city park in Festus( http://gdstour.com/festus_disc_golf_course.php) is a par 70 course that plays to about 10,000 feet so I had plenty of chances to go big.
I figured out that I since the disc is so fast itself I didn't need too much speed on the release for long drives.
I backed off the speed but kept the spin throwing hyzer flips right down the middle for some really really long throws.
I then backed of the speed even more throwing higher trajectory shots turned over right out of my hand. The discs just held and held and held the line forever. I reached a hole that is 525 ( slightly downhill) throwing with about 80% power, but perfect line and I was shocked at how far they were flying.
I can usually walk straight to my disc and find it, even in tall grass, but the discs was consistently going 30-40 feet farther than I thought almost every time I threw it.

We should have a release date for the Diablo-DT auto ship program by the end of the week, most likely it will be the 1st of May.

yo dave, what should i be expecting from the diablo? the two or three my dad gave me from the bg ams are really not impressing me. super unpredictable and incredibly flippy.

Is it easy to get mud out of the dimples in the middle of a round?

yeah. just bring an old toothbrush

Just wipe the mud off in the grass and you're set.

I am going to start carrying a wire brush :)

You want to thing about a plastic brush.
I am thinking wire would damage the disc.

I took one of my Diablo DT's out to the course near NC STATE today.

The course is a fun tight short wooded course. There is no reason to have this disc on this course what so ever it goes to far and the average Pro score on the course is 15 to 16 under just using one disc! Gateway is unheard of here, unless of course you have been around the game long enough to be exposed to other companies that make in some cases superior products. Anyway my friend wanted to throw the Diablo because he has never thrown any Gateway discs. I was to lazy to take him to a field like a good pro would do, instead we lined up a fairway between a huge Pine and the bathroom facilities, after hitting this rather large gap there was plenty of room in the base ball field for the disc to fly with out interruption. My only advice to Him was "please don,t hit the pine tree" I didn't want this disc to get warped and become understable.
Instead of hitting the tree he hit the building!!! Hard! It tacoed my disc pretty bad :(

I just started throwing Gateway a few weeks ago. I wasn't sure about the durability of the plastic after such impacts as this. Now I know at this point some of you would say that this is an extreme circumstance, hitting a building and all, this is exactly my point! After a few bends to re shape the Diablo it was fine! Still stable! In this area we play Tight Wooded Long courses. Don't believe me? Go to the Zone Driven site and read Aver Jenkins account of playing here a few weeks ago! Durability is crucial here!

All of this to say i am very impressed with the quality of the plastic that Gateway is producing! Keep up the good work guys!

I must have beefy ones because even a new Pro Starfire flips like crazy on me. I hope mine aren't weird though cause I like'em.


Are they the purple ones?

i just got a 175 red diablo dt and took it out for the first time. this diosc is awesome. it is the perfect fit for the holes i had. i have switched to an all gateway bag and the results are starting come in. keep making these discs. i would live to the diablo,inferno,raging infero dt all done in the e plastic that the illusions are in other than that keep it up.

what weights do you guys have? I just got in a 168g with my shipment and I usually throw max weight. I got a ridi at 170 and it is pretty **** beefy

I must have beefy ones because even a new Pro Starfire flips like crazy on me. I hope mine aren't weird though cause I like'em.


Are they the purple ones?



No they were Red but when i took them out to a tournament after getting them they were flipping more than in Practice so maybe I do have normal ones. They need a tad more HSS for me.

I just got a 168 purple diablo and this thing is sick! only had about 10 throws but I was quite impressed on how little effort it takes to get it going. I am going to get a round or 2 in today and see what this can do on the course

just played and only used it 3 times and I had 2 good birdies and a awesome par 3 on the monster hole with it. all this with about a 20 mph cross wind. this disc is easy to control and goes very far with little effort. I was about 15-20 ft short on a 460 hole and I threw it on a golf line. and I hit about 15 ft past the 400 ft marker on the monster hole with a diaganol r to l head wind. I love it dave.

sounds like the diablos are getting a lot of work in all areas of the country!

Thanks for the support!

has anyone noticed any flight differences in colors or weights?

The green ones the gateway players got are money, even in heavy weights...I would like to see what high 160's would fly like compared to max weight...Diablo equals straight money

The green ones the gateway players got are money, even in heavy weights...I would like to see what high 160's would fly like compared to max weight...Diablo equals straight money



Speak for yourself I only got Red. :DAre the Greens more overstable?

I got a 168g purple and its blank and total $$$$$

I got a 168g purple and its blank and total $$$$$



I actually have one of those too but I haven't thrown it.

I got a 168g purple and its blank and total $$$$$



I actually have one of those too but I haven't thrown it.



I usually throw max weight blurrs and spirits for my drivers for the hss, but this one seems very neutral to the amount of speed put on it. I have yet to flip it. if you don't like the diablos I would gladly make a deal with you to take them off your hands

Has anyone else noticed that they seem to fly farther in a crosswind, it doesn't seem to matter which direction. But I seem to get quite a bit more distance with the crosswind, don't get me wrong it is still a little longer than my Orc or Surge(5'-15') even in calm wind, but not the 30' or so I was getting when the wind was blowing. Just curious if anyone else had noticed that or if I was just having a really good driving day on a windy day and it is all just a coincidence.

Has anyone else noticed that they seem to fly farther in a crosswind, it doesn't seem to matter which direction. But I seem to get quite a bit more distance with the crosswind, don't get me wrong it is still a little longer than my Orc or Surge(5'-15') even in calm wind, but not the 30' or so I was getting when the wind was blowing. Just curious if anyone else had noticed that or if I was just having a really good driving day on a windy day and it is all just a coincidence.



I have an average golf drive of about 360-375 and I had 2 golf shots around the 420 mark with a 168g and bothe were with a cross wind, one in each direction. I only have about 15 throws with this disc under my belt but it I have a feeling this will improve my d very well

That is similar to my situation I have an average drive of around 300-315 and got two drives to about 350' with a crosswind one with the wind in each direction. I have taken it out a couple of times with no or a light wind I would say that it was going on average 310-330' which is still an improvement and still the longest disc in my bag but I haven't had a 350' since the day with the wind and was just wondering if the dimples give even more distance in the wind. Because my longest drive ever came with a RI-DT in a tail wind.

I've experienced the same thing. I first test drove the Diablo in a cross/headwind and was amazed, but now in no wind it seems pretty stable, and losing distance.

I'm liking the Diablo-DT, Got my best shot ever on Hole 18 Here, It's the longest hole on the course, Around 325-350, but theres deep woods to the Left and 2 trees in the Middle that make it hard, I made it past them and landed in a ditch parallel to the basket, Missed the Putt, but was happy about my best drive :) , It finally Beat my Tee-Rex, :D

The green ones I have seem to be very stable, not too overstable and not too understable....However into a headwind the green ones will flip a bit but with just a little hyzer they straighten up and fly, I have not thrown any other colors but im interested to here which ones are more overstable.

I'm liking the Diablo-DT, Got my best shot ever on Hole 18 Here, It's the longest hole on the course, Around 325-350, but theres deep woods to the Left and 2 trees in the Middle that make it hard, I made it past them and landed in a ditch parallel to the basket, Missed the Putt, but was happy about my best drive :) , It finally Beat my Tee-Rex, :D



Okay Parked the same hole today, (It's 352 very slightly uphill) , 1st time i've ever parked it. I think i like this disc.

can you send me a dihablo dave? i've never thrown one.

Looking to throw one of these babies.....please contact if you have one you will not be throwing and would like to trade.

Thanks

When will they be on the market ?

My diablos graduated the practice field and made it into the bag. The final exam is this weekend at the Discourse open. If they treat me right at this tournament they will have a new perm home!

Can anyone spare a Diablo DT? I lost mine yesterday on a big anhyzer hole. It kept on turning, went in between some cedars and into a big grassy field that's too thick to see anything. After that my day was ruined cuz that was a favorite disc of mine. Can anyone please please please spare a Diablo DT?

They do go as far as my wraith, but I dont think I trust it yet. I have a green one. Tail wind its money but any heady no go. Its like I have to throw a perfect hyzer flip in order for it to be a good shot otherwise it will burn.

I noticed the same thing. Even if it does burn into the ground, it still has gone just as far as everything else.

I agree but it doesnt need a ton of hyzer to flip and fly straight into a headwind.

Dave,

Do you expect any changes to the diablo from thr proto to the production runs? also, is the diablo made in the SRP? I really like this plasic. If so will any be ran in E or Nike?

one last question? when will the diablo be ran and put on the AS program?

Can't wait for those wizards and warlocs to be ran. I'm saving my $$ to put in an order and its burning a hole in my pocket. I have a ton of people askin for them.

The plastic for the Wizards and Warlocks will be in late monday, we are going to run some E blazes and then try for a flatter softer E Sabre ( like the milky white ones) and should be running the putters by Tuesday.
We are going to start with the Super softs to make sure we have enough this time.
Our goal is to never run out of Putters again and to get them into as many stores as possible so players can feel the sweetness before they buy! :cool:

Dave,

Do you expect any changes to the diablo from thr proto to the production runs?
Wouldnt mind seeing a tighter polymer closer to our regular E in the Blurrs and Rages.
also, is the diablo made in the SRP?
I belive there is some in the mix
I really like this plasic.
What discs do you have with SRP?
If so will any be ran in E or Nike?
there are 2 versions of Nike, on is a dow material we got from the Nike Plant that we use in our E plastic now for all of the discs. the other version of Nike is for the S plastic, which makes it grippy and durable and is used in the ultra light weight Quest drivers.
we also sue some in our soft and super sort putters.

one last question? when will the diablo be ran and put on the AS program?
We are hoping for may 1st and are waiting to hear from steve at quest so we can pick them up!

Can't wait for those wizards and warlocs to be ran. I'm saving my $$ to put in an order and its burning a hole in my pocket. I have a ton of people askin for them.



We should have some putters ready to go be the end of next week, probably super soft Wizards first!

sorry Dave, the answers wound up in the copy of your quote!

Want to see the Diablo DT fly?????

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iC31OctXuUc

watch until the end!

i recommend anyone that is curious about this disc to give it a try. I just picked one up today and got pretty good distance. The thing that impressed me the most was how easy to control it was. I was releasing them flat and getting a nice S curve with good D.

try it out, i bet you will like it.

glad to hear you're enjoying the diablo Kevin. I like the fact that the lighter weight doesn't seem to really effct the flight. These are the first distance drivers not near max weight I can really control

The slo-mo voices are hilarious!!!

one of the most overstable Diablo Dt's Ive thrown was only 166 grams.
we hope to have them ready soon!

dave,
Have you found any of the colors more overstable than the others? I have a 167g that's purple that's just as beefy as a 175 green one

one of the most overstable Diablo Dt's Ive thrown was only 166 grams.
we hope to have them ready soon!



In the Centralia Disc Golf Highlights video you posted, it looks like you threw the Diablo DT on the 455-foot hole with a lot of hyzer and it flipped up and over. I'm confused - is this a turnover disc or an overstable one?

one of the most overstable Diablo Dt's Ive thrown was only 166 grams.
we hope to have them ready soon!



In the Centralia Disc Golf Highlights video you posted, it looks like you threw the Diablo DT on the 455-foot hole with a lot of hyzer and it flipped up and over. I'm confused - is this a turnover disc or an overstable one?



this disc is great because its both. its very neutral so it can do both very easily. put about 75% power and a little hyzer on it and its a super long hyzerflip shot. put more hyzer and its a huge sweeping hyzer shot. throw more max power and some hyzer and get a huge turnover.

Like I said. its very neutral. Across arm speeds and weights. it can take a ton of torque on it and it won't turn into a roller unless you throw it like a roller. I think dave and all they people who help with the molding and autocad and design of this hit the nail on the head.

I got 3 purple ones that seem to be more overstable than the red ones i have, i love these disc, best disc i've thrown in a long time, besides the sabre. keep up the good work dave!

Tim Keith

one of the most overstable Diablo Dt's Ive thrown was only 166 grams.
we hope to have them ready soon!



In the Centralia Disc Golf Highlights video you posted, it looks like you threw the Diablo DT on the 455-foot hole with a lot of hyzer and it flipped up and over. I'm confused - is this a turnover disc or an overstable one?



The diablos are pretty much stable Jeff, but if you throw them 50 MPH with 1800 plus rotations its going to need a little hyzer and height.
The disc tracks to the right more than turns over!

this thing is great. as long or longer than my dx wraiths and as easy or easier to control. great disc. the very shallow rim does not bother me, and the srp plastic is very grippy, which to me id=s more important than it's [lacking] durability. i will be ordering more. anyone know where to get the purple ones?

Why? Are the purple ones supposed to be more over-stable? The reason I ask is the only two I have are 175 g light purple and they are more hss than my Pulse and have a very pronounced low speed fade. For me they are a head wind disc so far.

The disc tracks to the right more than turns over!

I just picked up one of the stock stamped straw colored 175 gram Diablo DT's and was auditioning it yesterday in calm conditions. I started by throwing it at low speeds with low power and moved on to eventually throwing it hyzer flip to nearly full power. My furthest shot was at about 80% power and a very clean release. I was able to throw it flat and instead of flipping over the disc tracked to the right for about 325 feet then fell off left when it ran out of gas for a total of about 360 feet.

I am not a big arm but I throw pretty cleanly at that power range and max out at just over 400 feet with my wraiths. The Diablo flew about 25 feet shorter than i expected it to given the nice height and line I gave it. The disc flew more like a broke in FL and i am getting the same distance with my TeeBird though I have to throw the TB a little harder with more height.

Overall I am disappointed as when I look at the profile of this beautiful disc it has everything i would think would compose a max distanct driver. Wide rim, blade-like low profile with hyperlift edge, dual dimple arrangement and a superb dome that is smooth across the flight plate and looks like it would get great glide at low speeds.

This is not what I have found yet when throwing this disc so I am wondering if it is a disc that requires more height or if I have unreasonable expectations. In comparison, the proto e infernos (and wraiths) have much more glide at low speeds and seem to hold elevation better as they slow down.

PERSONAL THEORY: the golf style dimples on the underside of the wing reduce drag and maybe reduce air pressure under the wing. As I see it, the wing properties of a disc work becuase at velocity there is a pressure difference between the top and bottom of the wing. The underside experiences higher pressure while air moving more quickly over the top has lower pressure, giving lift to the wing. As I see it, as the dimples lower the air pressure on the underside of the wing, they in turn also lower the lift properties of the disc wing resulting in more overstable flight pattern with less glide. - Not necessarily a bad thing, just more controllable like a firebird! It is a much more practical disc than the inferno which is super flippy but has a ton more glide so I don't get the same max-D with the diablo.

All this is fine but, it makes me wonder why this disc is being touted as a long bomb. It's a low glide control driver if you ask me, like an anti-teebird that flies the same distance on a low line! Any advice/ideas are welcome (what I mean is that the TeeBird gets its distance from glide at low speed, while the diable seemingly gets its distance through high speed but has low glide)

the new ones (production run) are a little harder to get to my max D. i've had some insanely long throws with the protos. maybe you should try to pick one of those up. or just beat the crap out of the new one and see what happens. i think i'm gonna try that...

yeah, true, once i beat it in more i'm sure it will hold itself up longer and i'll be able to get some more D out of it. I noticed the disc does make some whooshing sound in the air that i'm not used to with surges and other wraith like discs. Dimples = whooshing sound? if so, it would seem disc momentum is being converted into sound energy... this is counterintuitive to the purpose of those dimples so count me skeptical for now

as a side note, spirits have no dimples but seem to move through the air with incredible speed and very little sound. not sure why i brought that up except that i think spirits are like one of the fastest discs out there

how do you tell the difference in the protos and the productions? mine is red 162 with a small black basket stamped off-center. which do i have? thanks

that's a proto. all the production runs have a diablo dt stamp

that's a proto. all the production runs have a diablo dt stamp



feel free to post this PM, for some reason it keeps given me an error ( for the last 2 days )

Most likely there wont be any significant differences in the protos and production runs as a whole as there are variations in both runs.
while attempting to make weight ranges there are 2 ways to make this happen.
One is to change the blend or polymers the other is to change the profile of injection.
with this reason comes the fact that even within a run ( by any company) that appears to look and feel the same the discs can still fly a little different.

The shot at Centralia was thrown at about 80% speed with close to 100 % spin ( did you hear that snap), causing it to turn with the spin more than if it were at 90/90 or even 80/80. This caused the discs to become understable as it had more snap than needed for the amount of spin i launched it with. The reason is that it had to turn right 200 feet out of the hand and then back left at 400 feet in order to get to the hole.
The disc would not have been as understable if it were released with more speed, more height or more nose up. Matching the amount of rotations with velocity is a big part of a discs stability, add in launch trajectory, angle of nose on release and any off axis rotation and there you have why one person thinks a disc is under stable and another thinks it is overstable.

Chemo,
It took my 50 or so throws before I could figure out exactly how a diablo-dt should be thrown, which is with less speed more spin for more accurate shots. The disc is so fast it does not need your speed, but does need your spin.
Try backing off on the speed and working some different angles of release, I think you will find some amazing results!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The dimples do reduce the drag as does the textured surface on top which is just as important and allows the disc to maintain its speed longer than a discs with the same shape that is without the new technology. The biggest and most noticeable difference in throwing Dimple technology discs would be for a player that can only throw 45 mph with around 1200 rotations per minute, which is a little more than an average drive of 300 feet, as he will be able to maintain that speed with a stable flight as long as there is enough spin on the disc to meet the speed.
a player than can throw non dimpled discs 300 feet will be able to throw discs with Dimple technology closer to 360 or 20% farther! Ive seen it happen to too many players already for this not to be true!!


Once gyroscopic style discs ( wider rimmed) start to lose rotation they will want to fall against the spin while a centrifugal style disc ( mid-range with thicker flight plates and smaller wings) can continue to glide even when they lose spin and speed.