marshief
Mar 28 2007, 08:06 PM
According to 801.01.G:
"A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, or by an official, with all players of the group advised of the warning. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent courtesy violation of any type in the same round. Repeated violations of courtesy rules may result in disqualification in accordance with section 804.05."
(italics mine) Do we need a rewording here to something such as "courtesy violations may be called by any affected player...." and incurr the appropriate penalty? On the Milehigh board, there's a discussion about teeing and hearing a loud distraction (yelling, ace or frustration) from another group and shanking your drive. Who calls the violation? 801.01.G tells me I can if they're not in my group, but also seems to indicate I'm limited to warning them? Even if they have a previous courtesy violation within the group?
ck34
Mar 28 2007, 08:21 PM
The sport would be "wimpified" even more if distractions from players on other holes not specifically directed at a player in another group were considered courtesy violations. Batters are dealing with razzing from catchers and foul shooters have yelling and waving sticks behind the backboards. There are all kinds of potential distractions in disc golf from nature in terms of bird calls, mosquitos, flies plus unexpected manmade sounds like railroad whistles, planes flying over and car horns. Unexpected movements beyond the hole sometimes distract people putting including the sun breaking thru the clouds at the wrong time. I don't think it's a rules issue but a player focus issue in terms of not being distracted by events happening beyond your playing group. Handling that better is just part of becoming a better player.
marshief
Mar 28 2007, 08:31 PM
For the record, I agree with Chuck, but still...
ok, take the specific example out of it (even though 801.01.B allows for shouting as a courtesy violation). perhaps another specified example then: two people in my group notice someone in another group "discreetly" littering, dropping cig butts on the ground, and their group does not. Can we only warn them, even if we see the person repeatedly littering?
(i know, most people are not going to care about such a small action on the part of another player and would be considered impolite for calling such a violation... just trying to understand the rule here and help with examples)
ck34
Mar 28 2007, 08:36 PM
I read the Milehigh thread and see that cursing is involved in the incident in question. It's a judgment call whether it is or is likely repetitive behavior or whether it is a one time outburst for a good shot or bad shot. You can also request behavior modification without it being an official warning. That may work better to modify the behavior than an official warning.
marshief
Mar 28 2007, 09:33 PM
All valid points, thanks Chuck. But the point of the question, which was the wording of the rule, rather than the specific violation in question, has still not been addressed. I was planning to email the rules committee anyway, but thought I'd see if there were ideas floating over here first.
august
Mar 29 2007, 08:39 AM
two people in my group notice someone in another group "discreetly" littering, dropping cig butts on the ground, and their group does not. Can we only warn them, even if we see the person repeatedly littering?
The rule clearly states that for subsequent violations after a warning, penalty strokes shall be assessed. So if you witnessed a player in another group littering, you could warn them and advise the rest of the group of the warning. Then if they littered again, and their own group did nothing, you could assess the penalty stroke.
md21954
Mar 29 2007, 08:43 AM
litterers ought to be tar and feathered.
didn't littering used to be an automatic DQ?
august
Mar 29 2007, 09:03 AM
It's listed as a courtesy violation, but could be a DQable offense under 804.05(4) - Activities in violation of the law or park regulations.