Has anyone thrown the new Innova Kite? Thoughts?

It's only really good in the wind... ;) :o

It's only really good in the wind... ;) :o


WHAT KIND OF WIND TAILWIND HEAD WING???????

definitely good for tailwinds. aptly named.

definitely good for tailwinds. aptly named.



I might have to start a poll asking if this name is dumber than the Skeeter.

Super flippy, kinda like throwing a pie tin.

It's only really good in the wind... ;) :o


WHAT KIND OF WIND TAILWIND HEAD WING???????



I haven't actually thrown it. That was a joke, because kites only fly well if theres wind, y'know, get it?

huh?????

THE KITE IS NOT EVEN ON INNOVAS WEBSITE

THE KITE IS NOT EVEN ON INNOVAS WEBSITE


Patience, grasshopper...


sleepy

definitely good for tailwinds. aptly named.



I might have to start a poll asking if this name is dumber than the Skeeter.



Gotta go with Matt on that...

I like throwing discs named after (or inspired by) birds of prey... Roc, Teebird, Firebird, Eagle, Aviar... no one has a problem with those names, what's the problem with Kite (http://www.haryana-online.com/images/Birds/RonSaldino/Brahminy_Kite.jpg) ?

I like throwing discs named after (or inspired by) birds of prey... Roc, Teebird, Firebird, Eagle, Aviar... no one has a problem with those names, what's the problem with Kite (http://www.haryana-online.com/images/Birds/RonSaldino/Brahminy_Kite.jpg) ?



Nice picture !!!!

Has anyone thrown the new Innova Kite? Thoughts?



I had a some throws a couple weeks ago. It's quite domey. The DX plastic felt real nice, even more so than I expected.

I threw it out about 200-220ft with a bit of hyzer, but not excessive. Typical for an understable midrange disc, you can't throw it like a TBird or Crush, but it flew straight or with a bit of turn. It was an easy throw and I didn't try to crank it out there, just threw it about 3/4 effort and watched how it flew. I can see it being very useful; longer than a roc and shorter and more understable than a leopard. I'd like to throw it more to learn how much carry it has but I'd expect a fair bit of lift/glide. I can see this being very useful for those who can throw understable discs and definitely for beginners. Check it out, it's cool

One of the guys aced with it into the practice basket from ~250' Unfortunately the camera man hadn't yelled "Action!", so it wasn't caught on tape :( I think TG got other footage for DiscGolfTV.com (http://DiscGolfTV.com), so you might see it there.

Has anyone thrown the new Innova Kite? Thoughts?



I had a some throws a couple weeks ago. It's quite domey. The DX plastic felt real nice, even more so than I expected.

I threw it out about 200-220ft with a bit of hyzer, but not excessive. Typical for an understable midrange disc, you can't throw it like a TBird or Crush, but it flew straight or with a bit of turn. It was an easy throw and I didn't try to crank it out there, just threw it about 3/4 effort and watched how it flew. I can see it being very useful; longer than a roc and shorter and more understable than a leopard. I'd like to throw it more to learn how much carry it has but I'd expect a fair bit of lift/glide. I can see this being very useful for those who can throw understable discs and definitely for beginners. Check it out, it's cool

One of the guys aced with it into the practice basket from ~250' Unfortunately the camera man hadn't yelled "Action!", so it wasn't caught on tape :( I think TG got other footage for DiscGolfTV.com (http://DiscGolfTV.com), so you might see it there.



Have a couple of CFR Star Kites at 175g. Was expecting a midrange along the lines of an understable Gremlin from descriptions I had read. Nothing like it..... to me at least. Longer than any midrange I have ever thrown. Can imagine huge floating, gliding anhyzers out of the 160 range when the DX is in general release. For reference, I generally throw 150 to 160 plastic in my drivers and 170ish in my midranges but this does not hit me with the severely flippy label I saw in one post above. Saw a friend with a bigger arm throw one farther than he was throwing his Surge this afternoon. Send that rumor up a string and see how far it flies. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D I like the disc a lot. Can't wait to throw the DX version and figure out where it ends up in the bag. I'm not figuring with the midranges.

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Has anyone thrown the new Innova Kite? Thoughts?



Longer than any midrange I have ever thrown. Can imagine huge floating, gliding anhyzers out of the 160 range when the DX is in general release. [..] I'm not figuring with the midranges.



That's part of what I was trying to say, but maybe it didn't come out right. Definitely longer than a Roc or other mid-ranges but shorter than a Leopard. It's understable but not extremely. I agree this disc glides real nice.

we'll be giving out star kites as players packages at the amateur loriella challenge this weekend. just got them yesterday- very domey.

Anything other than 175g John?

WooHoo. Set aside the lightest for VR!

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Has anyone thrown the new Innova Kite? Thoughts?



Longer than any midrange I have ever thrown. Can imagine huge floating, gliding anhyzers out of the 160 range when the DX is in general release. [..] I'm not figuring with the midranges.



That's part of what I was trying to say, but maybe it didn't come out right. Definitely longer than a Roc or other mid-ranges but shorter than a Leopard. It's understable but not extremely. I agree this disc glides real nice.



It sounds like a Squall.

Sounds to me a lot like a small diameter Comet. Would a Comet thrower have any need for a disc such as this?

Sounds to me a lot like a small diameter Comet. Would a Comet thrower have any need for a disc such as this?



According to how you use your Comet, but yup, I think you could find a place for it. The descriptions I read of the Kite before I threw them made me think the same thing about similarity to a Comet. But, in my opinion the Kite is less of a mid-range and more of a fairway driver. First of all it has a wing, as in faster drivers, but is quite domey with a lot of glide, particularly when used for high floating turnovers. This is in the Star; can't wait to get my hands on some of the DX version to see how closely the flight correlates between the two plastics.

That's the long answer. The short is, you're just gonna have to throw it to see if it works for you.

http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/kite.html

ok, no looking at it, it not only sounds like a Glide, but looks like one

I was thinking it was probably going to be like a Panther, and judging by the numbers and it's place on the flight chart, that sounds mostly accurate.

I definitely dig the stamp. On a side note, I wish the Star Max had been released with the same stamp that was in the USDGC Player Packs. Very cool stamp.

That Kite stamp is nice! I like when the stamps vary from disc to disc.
Even just slightly. For example, that star shark with the shark fins is awesome. I think it gets monotonous when they are all exactly the same.

I was thinking it was probably going to be like a Panther, and judging by the numbers and it's place on the flight chart, that sounds mostly accurate.



That's what I was expecting too from descriptions - Panther/Gremlin - and from the numbers it fits, and from the flight, kinda-sorta, but not so much. :) You'll see why the confusion when it's in your hand. :D:cool:

ok, no looking at it, it not only sounds like a Glide, but looks like one



A Glide on steroids maybe. On the other hand they are both round. ;) :D

C'mon that most definitely is Innova's answer to the Glide.

Probably too flippy for me as I prefer a Comet over the Glide. But I know plenty of folks that love the Glide, and this could be a winner for them?

-E

http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/kite.html


Excellent stamp. No artwork submission contest necessary.

C'mon that most definitely is Innova's answer to the Glide.

Probably too flippy for me as I prefer a Comet over the Glide. But I know plenty of folks that love the Glide, and this could be a winner for them?

-E



I'm not arguing with anyones impression from descriptions, or for that matter a picture that does not give you a decent look at the profile of the wing. My impression from descriptions of flight and similar flying discs was also erroneous. Glide fans wanting more D may like it, but looking like a Glide and feeling like a Glide in your hand just ain't there.

Sounds more like a Meteor than a Comet or a Glide, in my opinion...

"The Kite was designed to be a very long Mid-Range disc that could almost be classified as a driver. The disc's high dome gives it more glide than, well, a kite. The disc wing has been designed to fly with a neutral to slightly understable flight path. This disc's overall weight distribution is well balanced to allow exceptional rolling capabilities. "

This per Innova's March Product Update just received this morning. DX due out 15 March from 150-175g. :cool: Can't wait to get my hands on some light weight TFR Star versions. :)

Hmm, when I first read the description and numbers it seemed like it might compare more closely to a stratus.

I think that it is going to be hard to compare the Kite to old-school discs because the thinking behind it is different. The effort here is to try and make a small diameter disc that has a smoothness of flight of some of the old school larger mids while retaining the advantages inherent to the small diameter design (wind resistance, tighter lines, faster speed). Also, Dave D. has mentioned that he does not personally like the grip of many of his own large diameter mids, so this is also an attempt to try to rival the performance of some of the older mids while providing an alternative grip that some throwers may prefer the feel of.

I threw mine around a bit yesterday (175 TFR Star Kite) Has more glide than my Z Glide...domey like the Comet. Thrown slightly nose up, it turned right all day long, thrown flat with good snap...it was straight as a string with a slight right fade. Nice disc, gonna replace my Glide for a while on a "test" basis.

This thing has more dome than any golf disc I have ever seen. Mine will be going on the wall b/c it is sporting a sweet Loriella Challenge stamp.

I've been throwing the Kite for a few rounds. Great anny disc, lots of glide.

Is the kite a turnover disc ?

Midrange turnover.

Is the kite a turnover disc ?



A turnover / straight fairway driver. Like they say, "lots of glide."

does the grip feel anything like a spider or gator?

Havent seen up close but it is only in DX plasic so I would think that the closest thing would be a Skeeter, which is great.

The one I'm throwing is a TFR Star Kite. The DX will be released on the 15th.

I would say it's close to the Goblin as far as what's it feel like to me. Small diameter with big dome.

Very Skeeter-y for me with a HUGE dome (165g STAR Kite)/

what is the WIDTH of the rim comparable to?

Very Skeeter-y for me with a HUGE dome (165g STAR Kite)/



Which goes to show you what an individual thing "feel" of a disc can be. I didn't care for the Skeeter at all but I love the Kite. Rim width is comparable to a Leopard with a touch more angulation. Haven't begun to figure out what all the disc can do for me since I only have TFR Star 175's and my standard mid ranges are 166-171. Gots to come up with some 150's and 160's to really get an accurate evaluation for me. As I said earlier in this thread I had a friend, who loves his low 160's FLX ESP Surges, throw equal or better distance with my 175 Star Kite. I'm still a little perplexed by that, but I saw it with my own eyes.

I have small hands and think that may be why the domeyness doesn't bug me like it does some others. V.Ray and I have never met but have corresponded and traded a bit and like many of the same things in disc weight and flight, but seem to have drastically different approaches on midrange flights. And that's a good thing. Kind of keeps the old mind open and thinking. Can't wait for the 15th and availability of DX Kites. Dave D. it would be very cool indeed if they were of the same domey DX as the first run SoCal TeeRex's. Those dudes are the only DX discs I've ever thrown that sounded like they were going to take the tree down when it got in their way. :D

does the grip feel anything like a spider or gator?



Not like a gator. Can't say about the spider.

It's rim is sharp like a driver rather than round like a midrange. But like everyone says, "It's domey."

is it like a longer Comet??
The Comets in D have a ridiculous amount of glide. When I was in Florida for winter break i got to play about a half dozen rounds with Ron Russell and he threw mostly his Comet.
He whipped them out and they just popped out slow and held a straight line. Hoping the Kite is the same way.

-Scott Lewis

what do you guys think the low speed stability is on these, compared to a putter? also--any leopard [dx] throwers mess with these?

what do you guys think the low speed stability is on these, compared to a putter? also--any leopard [dx] throwers mess with these?



Still a hard disc to figure for me. I'd actually call it a fairway driver if it was me because it's really more like that category in distance and appearance and speed. I've thrown 150 and 165 DX and 175 and 166 Star. I have actually had some of my longest drives ever with the 150 DX but it is just too fidgetty about getting the appropriate hyzer release angle to keep it from turning over. If it turns over at speed it will not come back, ever. Touch shots lofted to turn over plane out and flatten nicely with minimal to no tail at the end. Down the middle of the fairway straight shots at 70-80% power tail about like a broken in small bead Aviar or less. At this point I have a 175 Star and a 166 Star in the bag and I'm comfortable getting straight to turnovers of 250-270 out of them if I have enough overhead to allow it. A tunnel straight or turnover of the same length and longer I'd still go with my beat to snot CE Leopard. But, for me the situations I use them in are much more like Stingray conditions where you just want more distance. For the time being I've taken the Stingray out of my bag to give these a fair shake. From the flight figures I can see why folks want to compare it to the Comet, but in the hand they are totally different discs - Comet, big, blunt, slow, straight; Kite, small, sharp, middlin' fast, straight. Jury's still out on whether they stay in the bag or if the Stingray comes back. Right now I'm betting the Kite will stay in the bag just because I can do more things with it.

Just go get a DX Kite in the weight you are most comfortable with for a mid-range and get out on a field and throw it comparing it to a Stingray, Leopard and Comet for straights and turnovers. And don't forget to play some touch shots with it. Enjoy. :cool:

My first impression was that it flew like my JK Aviar only longer.

I really dons't like this disc. Super unpredicable

Just out of curiosity what else is in your bag?

I've been throwing the Kite occasionally, mine are TFR Star Kites, 175g. I find it flies like a shorter Leopard. It has a LOT of glide. I've found it works really well on holes where I need the disc to glide further (over/past trees) and for me, with the Star version being a little more overstable, I can throw it on hyser and anhyser shots where I need the disc to keep going a little longer.
It's not a disc that requires max power, and it does take some finesse to throw.
I threw a 150g DX last week (my wifes) and it flew really far. It did feel a little unpreditable to me, but then, it's really light.
I don't know if I would like the DX in a heavier weight. I think the Star version is great.

Are there any Star versions available on-line?

discgolfvalues had some ... but looks like they are all gone. You might email Mark and see if he can find any.

Marshall Street has the Star Kite. (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/prodimages/kite_star_msdgc_big.jpg)

I found the DX Kite to be very similar in flight to a Glide. Between fairway driver and mid, same range as a storm, but less stable. Great for hyzerflips at mid range, but lower celing and turnovers. yet not predictable enough to replace my beat to heck d wasps or S sabres.

Just out of curiosity what else is in your bag?



I throw ROCS!!! ;)

I really dons't like this disc. Super unpredicable



The kite is a total touch disc, it has amazing float/glide, and has already earned a place in my bag forever.

This is one of the few discs that I can totally trust on an anhyzer, and talk about one of the overall straightest discs EVER!

This disc can VERY easily be thrown way too hard. Remember Touch.

By the way I also use the DX kite, and have started experimenting with useing it on my jump putts.


So there.

does the grip feel anything like a spider or gator?



Soooo, It's like a cross between a Z-Extreme and a fastback?

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This is one of the few discs that I can totally trust on an anhyzer, and talk about one of the overall straightest discs EVER!

This disc can VERY easily be thrown way too hard. Remember Touch.


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Now that's what I was trying to say. Thanks man for saying it so much better. I'm not a power thrower by any means but even with my gnat weight arm anything over 80% effort with the Kite is wasted, or worse. :cool:

This disc sounds almost exactly like the Skeeter.

A bit more overstable than a skeeter but yawn both are just unsuccessful attempts at unseating the roc as the best mid range evar.

Goblin, Skeeter, Kite...I haven't seen any top players using any of these latest releases to Innova's midrange line. I personally hate the super domey profile of each of the aforementioned. I might still be throwing Innova if any of these had been worth a darn to me. Dave D. is a design genius, but I just haven't been into his latest work. The ROC is still tops, and for my money the Buzz and Wasp in Z plastic are more contemporary versions of the Roc in terms of both mold and plastic.

These discs supposedly have a little more glide and go a little further than the Roc, and try to bridge the gap between driver and mid-range. Sort of like the new utility / hybrid drivers in ball golf. But in general, I agree and usually yawn and roll my eyes whenever I see that Innova is releasing a new mid-range. Ain't nothing gonna replace the Roc and Classic Roc in my bag.

i figured these new mids were innovas attempt to answer the buzz, but i havent tried them cause i havent heard much good news about them.

All the Buzz is was an attempt to answer the Roc, for which no answer is needed.

anyone having any luck rolling with the kite?

actually the Millenium QMS is what the Buzzz flies most like imo. Millenium gets far too little love! the Millenium Aurora MS (pro-type plastic) and QMS (champion type plastic) is basicly a beadless Roc.

i can't wait to fly a kite :)

All the Buzz is was an attempt to answer the Roc, for which no answer is needed.



The Z Wasp answered the question "Why must I pay $40 for a good midrange in premium plastic?"

The Z Buzz answered the above question as well as this one"Why must I throw a KC Roc for a year before it flies straight?"

actually the Millenium QMS is what the Buzzz flies most like imo. Millenium gets far too little love! the Millenium Aurora MS (pro-type plastic) and QMS (champion type plastic) is basicly a beadless Roc.

i can't wait to fly a kite :)



The Buzz goes further with less effort than the QMS imo. It also is less affected by the wind and flies better lower to the ground. Apples and oranges really, they are both great mids and I've had them both in my bag at the same time. I like the Buzz because the QMS flies more like a putter and I like throwing my putters for those shots.

Taste Great!

I've got beat rocs and a star skeeter in my bag. do I need a kite?

no

thanks. I didn't think so, but it doesn't hurt to ask

It's new plastic! Of course you need it. Or at least one. :p :D

Taste Great!



No, less filling!

It's new plastic! Of course you need it. Or at least one. :p :D



You, sir, are an enabler.
:D

It's new plastic! Of course you need it. Or at least one. :p :D



You, sir, are an enabler.
:D



I, sir, am. :D

Miss you buddy. When you coming to see us? :cool:

Taste Great!



No, less filling!


NO! GREAT TASTE!

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