Here are the top 10 SSA permanent course layouts that can be played without a special setup for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

<table border="1"><tr><td>Rank</td><td>Permanent Course Location</td><td>Event</td><td>City</td><td>State</td><td>SSA
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>Idlewild </td><td>2006 Disc n Dat Bluegrass Open</td><td>Burlington</td><td> Kentucky</td><td>70.4
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>Renaissance Park</td><td>2006 FriZZak Open</td><td>Charlotte</td><td>North Carolina</td><td>70.4
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>Moraine State Park</td><td>2006 Ironwood Open</td><td>Portersville</td><td>Pennsylvania</td><td>68.9
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>Tyler State Park</td><td>2006 Eric C Yetter</td><td>Newtown</td><td>Pennsylvania</td><td>68.6
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>Borderland State Park</td><td>2006 Borderland Spring Fling</td><td>Easton</td><td>Massachusetts</td><td>68.1
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>Nockamixon State Park</td><td>2005 Pro Worlds</td><td>Quakertown</td><td>Pennsylvania</td><td>67.8
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>The Woodshed</td><td>2006 West Virginia Open</td><td>Paw Paw</td><td>West Virginia</td><td>66.7
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>Whippin\' Post</td><td>2006 West Virginia Open</td><td>Paw Paw</td><td>West Virginia</td><td>66.7
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>Patapsco Valley State Park</td><td>2005 Patapsco Picnic</td><td>Ellicott City</td><td>Maryland</td><td>64.8
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>Warwick Town Park</td><td>2005 Skylands Classic</td><td>Warwick</td><td>New York</td><td>64.8</tr></td></table>

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.

I'm surprised about the Paw Paw courses. Seems to me they had been running about 63 or so the past several years. When I checked it out, looks like there might have been bad weather the first day in 2006 if you look over the several SSAs for the same layout. They still stay on the list if you give them 64ish values.

Here are the top SSA temporary course layouts that I believe can only be played when set up for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

<table border="1"><tr><td>Rank</td><td>Temporary Course Layouts</td><td>Event</td><td>City</td><td>State</td><td>SSA
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>Winthrop Univ. Rec. Area</td><td>2004 United States Disc Golf Championship</td><td>Rock Hill</td><td>South Carolina</td><td>75.2
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>Akitas Run</td><td>2001 Ozark Open</td><td>Vichy</td><td>Missouri</td><td>71.3
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>El Rio Golf Course</td><td>2004 Tumbleweed Open</td><td>Tucson</td><td>Arizona</td><td>71.3
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>Campgaw Reservation</td><td>2005 Campgaw Opening Day</td><td>Mahwah</td><td>New Jersey</td><td>68.2
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>Vista Del Camino Park</td><td>2006 Memorial</td><td>Scottsdale</td><td>Arizona</td><td>67.8
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>Silver Creek Ski Area</td><td>2000 CO Champ</td><td>Fraser</td><td>Colorado</td><td>67.3
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>The Crucible</td><td>2006 Flying Eye Open</td><td>Athens</td><td>Georgia</td><td>66.4
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>Willowbrook Golf Course</td><td>2004 California State Championships of Michigan</td><td>Byron</td><td>Michigan</td><td>65.0
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>La Mirada Regional Park</td><td>2005 United States Masters</td><td>La Mirada</td><td>California</td><td>64.2
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>Timber Ridge</td><td>2006 Sasquatch Open</td><td>Gobles</td><td>Michigan</td><td>62.7</tr></td></table>

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.

I'm surprised about the Paw Paw courses. Seems to me they had been running about 63 or so the past several years. When I checked it out, looks like there might have been bad weather the first day in 2006 if you look over the several SSAs for the same layout. They still stay on the list if you give them 64ish values.



We received approximately 5" of rain from the remnants of tropical storm Ernesto. The first round on Saturday morning lasted five hours. :(

That should be in the "temporary setup" list. Some people order up yellow ropes, or temporary baskets or tee pads to boost SSA. Others order up hurricanes! :eek: :o :D

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6101&amp;year=2006&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open

Still Waters Farm Gold Course (the open played it all three rounds). 18 holes.

Here's the SSA breakdown page

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_tournament.php?TournID=6101

Robert, Still Waters Farm Disc Golf Course Gold is a permanent course, right?

well I wouldn't know how to answer that really.

The baskets have always been portable and just about every time I go the layout is different.

Last time I heard it was just 9 holes now.

Either way, it is def. just 18 holes.

I would definitely put it in the temporary listing since you can't just pop in and play the tournament layout.

Sounds like a temporary course layout to me.

Here are the top SSA temporary course layouts that I believe can only be played when set up for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

<table border="1"><tr><td>Rank</td><td>Temporary Course Layouts</td><td>Event</td><td>City</td><td>State</td><td>SSA
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>Winthrop Univ. Rec. Area</td><td>2004 United States Disc Golf Championship</td><td>Rock Hill</td><td>South Carolina</td><td>75.2
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>Still Waters Farm Disc Golf Course Gold</td><td>2006 Tournament Players Championship</td><td>Govan</td><td>South Carolina</td><td>73.0
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>Akitas Run</td><td>2001 Ozark Open</td><td>Vichy</td><td>Missouri</td><td>71.3
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>El Rio Golf Course</td><td>2004 Tumbleweed Open</td><td>Tucson</td><td>Arizona</td><td>71.3
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>Campgaw Reservation</td><td>2005 Campgaw Opening Day</td><td>Mahwah</td><td>New Jersey</td><td>68.2
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>Vista Del Camino Park</td><td>2006 Memorial</td><td>Scottsdale</td><td>Arizona</td><td>67.8
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>Silver Creek Ski Area</td><td>2000 CO Champ</td><td>Fraser</td><td>Colorado</td><td>67.3
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>The Crucible</td><td>2006 Flying Eye Open</td><td>Athens</td><td>Georgia</td><td>66.4
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>Willowbrook Golf Course</td><td>2004 California State Championships of Michigan</td><td>Byron</td><td>Michigan</td><td>65.0
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>La Mirada Regional Park</td><td>2005 United States Masters</td><td>La Mirada</td><td>California</td><td>64.2</tr></td></table>

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.

What surprises me about Paw Paw is both courses rate the same. Personally, I found the Whipping Post to be alot more difficult that the Woodshed.

Last time I heard it was just 9 holes now.




I recently called Still Water Farms. The course is under new management, and it's only 9 holes now. Anyone can play, though, but it's Pay-to-play at $5 a day.

new long layout at loriella played between 63 and 64 this past weekend. that was playing the short on the 2 new holes so it should come in 65+ once we're done with it.

That's great John. Hope to get out there some day and play the courses in your area.

Looks like the 2007 Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic layout on the WR Jackson Memorial course easily makes this list with a SSA of 67.9 for the first round of the tournament. :cool:

Jeff, I think Tyler might belong in the temporary course section. It is really only for a few weeks before and after the Yetter that the pins are all in C. Even though it is a permanent course, you can't just roll in and play the Championship layout anytime you want.

I think the point is more that the former list is permanent courses and those with permanent polehole positions that the baskets can be moved to at any time, if the course pro wanted to move them there. The latter list is for temporary courses played with portable baskets on land that doesn't normally have a course such as ball golf courses, or ski resorts.

These are really just informal lists and we had to draw up some rough guidelines somewhere. According to your definition, Renaissance, Borderland, Warwick, and Paw Paw may then be the only courses on the former list. They are the only places where you can 'roll in and play the Championship layout anytime you want.' Many of the other courses have shorter pin positions that are used for normal play, and these layouts will be subject to whatever pin positions the course pro chose for that week.

can i get a mythical course on the list? its looking about a 76-78

Gotta get a shout in here for Charlotte's Web layout of Hornet's Nest. This is a permanent course with permanent baskets for both the original layout and the Web layout.

We played it twice in club singles events last year. That yielded 30 rounds of data from players with ratings. SSA = 70.7 for that (calculated with the online calculator). Problem with that rating is that things were opened up a bunch after the first time we played. Using only the 2nd round of data (16 players), SSA = 69.91! Smaller sample, but probably more accurate/realistic.

Since then the course has been manicured some more. Expect an SSA of 69 for its first official PDGA action coming up at the Points Bonanza on June 15. Woops - just forgot that 2 of the permanent holes (6 &amp; 7) are not going to be played due to park construction.....will have to wait to get an official SSA. Bummer.

Here are the top SSA temporary course layouts that I believe can only be played when set up for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

&lt;table border="1"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Rank&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Temporary Course Layouts&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Event&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;City&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;State&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;SSA
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Winthrop Univ. Rec. Area&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 United States Disc Golf Championship&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Rock Hill&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;South Carolina&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;75.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Akitas Run&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001 Ozark Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Vichy&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Missouri&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;71.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;El Rio Golf Course&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 Tumbleweed Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Tucson&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Arizona&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;71.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Campgaw Reservation&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2005 Campgaw Opening Day&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Mahwah&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;New Jersey&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;68.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Vista Del Camino Park&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Memorial&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Scottsdale&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Arizona&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;67.8
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Silver Creek Ski Area&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2000 CO Champ&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Fraser&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Colorado&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;67.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;The Crucible&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Flying Eye Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Athens&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Georgia&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;66.4
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;8&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Willowbrook Golf Course&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 California State Championships of Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Byron&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;65.0
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;La Mirada Regional Park&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2005 United States Masters&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;La Mirada&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;California&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;64.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Timber Ridge&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Sasquatch Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Gobles&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;62.7&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/table&gt;

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.



Jeff, Campgaw Reservation alternates between the shorter par 3 Winter 'gaw and the par Mighty 'gaw layout depending on the season. It's currently in the Mighty 'gaw layout, which yields a par 68 I believe. Previous measurements had hole 18 a par five at about 1300 feet down the skihill!!!

http://www.nynjdiscgolf.com/images/Mighty_Gaw_2007.gif

http://www.nynjdiscgolf.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1513

Jeff, Campgaw Reservation alternates between the shorter par 3 Winter 'gaw and the par Mighty 'gaw layout depending on the season. It's currently in the Mighty 'gaw layout, which yields a par 68 I believe. Previous measurements had hole 18 a par five at about 1300 feet down the skihill!!!



I'm well aware of that. This informal list covers the highest SSA obtained on that course in a PDGA tournament, which was in 2005.

Jeff, Campgaw Reservation alternates between the shorter par 3 Winter 'gaw and the par Mighty 'gaw layout depending on the season. It's currently in the Mighty 'gaw layout, which yields a par 68 I believe. Previous measurements had hole 18 a par five at about 1300 feet down the skihill!!!



I'm well aware of that. This informal list covers the highest SSA obtained on that course in a PDGA tournament, which was in 2005.



I'm just letting you and the folks know it's in the ground now under this layout, not "can only be played when set up for an event" as you said previously.

It's a course that's well worth you time and efforts to drive out to and play.

I'm just letting you and the folks know it's in the ground now under this layout, not "can only be played when set up for an event" as you said previously.



But it's also in the ground for only one month - I saw somewhere that it will be taken out at the end of May. This informal list will not be updated monthly.

Doot....

As far as I can calculate, the Mighty Gaw is a Pro Par 71.

I'll see if i can convince Scott Howard to convince the county to maintain the ski hill so we can keep the Mighty Gaw layout in the ground for more than one month.

For any of you that has never played the Campgaw course in Mahwah, NJ in the Mighty Gaw layout, it is well worth a visit. It is the closest course to Manhattan (i think 18 miles as the crow flies) and located on a small ski hill. It is a fun, challenging layout. Heavy smokers and those otherwise aerobically-challenged will find an 18-hole round to be quite a workout, as you have to walk up the ski hill 3 times in an 18-hole round. But the design, fun factor, and incredible views make this the ultimate billy-goat round of disc golf. It is unlike any other layout or course i have played in my 33 years playing disc golf, and probably my favorite layout anywhere.

dan doyle
warwick, ny

Here are the top 10 SSA permanent course layouts that can be played without a special setup for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

1. Idlewild 2006 Disc n Dat Bluegrass Open Burlington, KY SSA = 70.4

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.



come play #1 on the list at the 2007
Disc n Dat A tier this weekend. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=661253&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post6 61253 )

Idlewild (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Board=Courses&amp;Number=488229&amp;pag e=6&amp;fpart=1) is beautiful and will test every aspect of your game.

Idlewild in Burlington, Kentucky.
Here are some recent photos I took during the final round of the 2007 Bluegrass Open on Sunday, May 6th.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/idlewilddiscgolf/sets/72157600188525538/

Nice photos of a great course. For those of you who've never played Idlewild, you don't know what you're missing....

Beautiful! Thanks for posting those photos!

Here are the top SSA temporary course layouts that I believe can only be played when set up for an event. Note that only 18-hole courses are included.

&lt;table border="1"&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Rank&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Temporary Course Layouts&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Event&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;City&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;State&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;SSA
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Winthrop Univ. Rec. Area&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 United States Disc Golf Championship&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Rock Hill&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;South Carolina&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;75.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Akitas Run&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001 Ozark Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Vichy&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Missouri&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;71.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;El Rio Golf Course&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 Tumbleweed Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Tucson&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Arizona&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;71.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Campgaw Reservation&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2005 Campgaw Opening Day&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Mahwah&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;New Jersey&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;68.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Vista Del Camino Park&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Memorial&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Scottsdale&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Arizona&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;67.8
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Silver Creek Ski Area&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2000 CO Champ&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Fraser&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Colorado&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;67.3
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;The Crucible&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Flying Eye Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Athens&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Georgia&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;66.4
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;8&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Willowbrook Golf Course&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2004 California State Championships of Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Byron&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;65.0
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;La Mirada Regional Park&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2005 United States Masters&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;La Mirada&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;California&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;64.2
&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Timber Ridge&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2006 Sasquatch Open&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Gobles&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Michigan&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;62.7&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/table&gt;

If you have any additions or corrections, please feel free to note them.

I'd slide it into the list but i'm too lazy to figure out tables on this board. The Byron Big D course hosted a sanctioned singles tournament in October solely because I wanted to know what our SSA would be. It was 70.2.

When I designed it I had intended that it be 72, but having played it a few times, I like it the way it is. Next year's only tweak will be to hole 8, probably.

Where did all the concrete cylinders come from? There must be over a thousand of them on that course. Do ya'll have a club member that is in the concrete business, or someone in the engineering &amp; testing business?

Where did all the concrete cylinders come from? There must be over a thousand of them on that course. Do ya'll have a club member that is in the concrete business, or someone in the engineering &amp; testing business?



Fred Salaz and the Idlewild gang acquire those cylinders from a concrete testing company in the area. My understanding is that these concrete samples (100's, if not 1,000's) are sent to these testing companies where they randomly test a small portion of these cylinders. Once the testing is done, the concrete samples are disposed of or donated to individuals/businesses who request these items. Fred has literally loaded (and unloaded) tons and tons of these cylinders, by hand, into his truck for transportation to Idlewild to create some of the nicest greens in game of disc golf. :D
http://img4.glowfoto.com/images/2007/08/06-0743395005T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=06-074339L&amp;y=2007&amp;m=08&amp;t=jpg&amp;rand=5005&amp;srv=img4)
2007 Disc Golf Hall of Fame inductee, Fred Salaz, and the newly created island green
on the par-4 hole 11 at Idlewild dgc in Burlington, KY.