2007
North Carolina Disc Golf Champions Series

The www.ncdiscgolf.com (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com) site is updated and ready for your viewing pleasure. Web master Eric Junkin and Mike Norris are responsible and can be thanked for their work and effort to make this happen!

The 2007 NCDGC schedule can be viewed on the website. This site will serve as the official site for all NCDGC related information.

Big Changes this year:

� 20 NCDGC events have been awarded based on a 3 region concept. Regions/sites can be viewed at www.ncdiscgolf.com (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com)

� A modified points system is in place based on the regional events. Events will be awarding 50 or 100 points to each division winner per event. NCDGC events played in regardless of region will count toward points totals.

� Standard TD NCDGC participation fees will increase year end pay outs to more players.

� After the NCFD Championships in Raleigh, player�s position will be awarded a new set of playoff points per division based on standings.
Playoff points chart can be viewed at www.ncdiscgolf.com (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com)

� Playoff events are the last 3 events on the NCDGC schedule. Burlington, Yadkinville and Durham.

� 10 NCDGC events are designated as NC 50 or NC 100 events. These events will be also awarding a separate set of points based on the overall finish for the total field per selected event. These points will determine the NC selection to the USDGC. The highest points total leader after the NCFDC who has not yet qualified for Roc Hill will be awarded the NC representative position.

� Divisions will remain Open, Masters and Advanced & the new NC USDGC.

Committee members remain: Mike Norris, Dave Gilstrap, Larry Whitson and Chair, Alan Beaver. Please contact us anytime to share your comments, concerns or suggestions. Have a great disc golf year!

Just in case you missed this above....

� 10 NCDGC events are designated as NC 50 or NC 100 events. These events will be also awarding a separate set of points based on the overall finish for the total field per selected event. These points will determine the NC selection to the USDGC. The highest points total leader after the NCFDC who has not yet qualified for Roc Hill will be awarded the NC representative position.

looks like east is a preTTy big region

We tried to create balance between the regions by utilizing 50-100 points per event.

North Carolina Disc Golf Champions PLAYOFF POINTS

After the NCFDC in Raleigh on September 8-9 each player's points total determines their position
in their division for the NCDGC Playoffs
The Playoff will consist of the last 3 tournaments in the NCDGC Series:
Sneeky Pete Burlington
Yadkinville Open Yadkinville
Bull City Showdown Durham

Position after Raleigh's NCFDC will be converted to the following points (yes, we're doing it NASCAR style...)
1 1000
2 900
3 850
4 800
5 750
6 725
7 700
8 675
9 650
10 625
11 600
12 575
13 550
14 525
15 500
16 475
17 450
18 425
19 400
20 375
21 350
22 325
23 300
24 275
25 250
26+ 200

the DEP should be apart of this series :mad:those guys work to hard to not be included. I vote for an addition to the list!








" if we dont take action now then will settle for nothing later, if we settle for nothing now then will settle for nothing later" Zach De LaRocha

Really disappointed in the size of the east region. Looks like you west nc boys don't like to travel too far. There are too many fine course this side of raleigh to have them included in our region. I know most everyone in the east agrees with me. And where is the east nc representation in the nc points committee that might have helped this situation??

why is the Charlotte Open not included this year?

Really disappointed in the size of the east region. Looks like you west nc boys don't like to travel too far. There are too many fine course this side of raleigh to have them included in our region.


to be honst with you I like a lot of the courses on the Eastern end of the state. But i dont travel to these tournaments due to the fact that there is usually an event going on in SC that is closer, so i go there. The drives to the eastern end of the state is rather long, hence the amount of SC tournies i play

Exactly why the eastern part of the state should have more events - to encourage people to travel there. Now, they have even more of an excuse not to.

Were getting there... I think we are going to hold another one this summer when everything is in bloom at NE Creek (jacksonville)

still wont help getting a lot of players from this end of the state, it is just too far to drive when there are many more events that are less than 4 hours to get to

Well either way it seems its caters to the western half of the state. But the people in the eastern part of the state are still left with the long drives. So either way, it needs to be spread out a little better.

Well either way it seems its caters to the western half of the state. But the people in the eastern part of the state are still left with the long drives. So either way, it needs to be spread out a little better.



exactly

It caters to Raleigh and Greensboro, since they are sort of the hub where no tournament is more than 3 hours away.

Regardless last i checked that east of 95 makes up about 1/3 of our state. And we only have 3 point series events. 3 out of 20 just dosent add up right. But anyway see everyone at Jax this weekend.

well if mikey jo's additude is indicitive of the organizing bod of the N.C. points series (i don't believe it is) then the 3 tournaments that are east of 95 maybe should drop the N.C. points series and contribute the the coastal plains point series. if there is little to no reciprication on behalf of the western part of the state why should the east worry about it. let them do thier thing and we will do ours. love ya mickie jo but your attitude today sucks. support NORTH Carolina your home state not SOUTH carolina they but mustard on BBQ.

disclaimer: this post is in no way saying anything negative about my freinds in south carolina i love you guys and will continue to travel and play your events

Well me personally i pick the tournaments i play on the fun level i expect. If i have a choice between 2 tourneys. Say 1 is an hour away, but i dont really like the courses and the tournament isnt put together very well. But the other tourney is 3 hours away, i love the club putting it on and they are some of my favorite courses. Then i will choose the further away tourney even if it is further away.

Either way i applaud anyone who steps up to put on a tourney, cuase without you we wouldnt have them to go to.

i dont have a problem with there being more events on the Eastern side of the State i think there should be, most of the events are around the Raleigh Greensboro area. My point is that the state is rather long from east to west so the travel time makes up alot of peoples minds as to which event to go to. I try to get to some different events each year but is doesnt always work out for me to make it to all of the NC points events. I would rather see 12-16 events sread out evenly over the state and throughout the year so it makes it more likely for people to be willing to go to these events,(which from my understanding are quite well run)rather than having 20 events mostly clumped around the center of the state.
but on another note Dave i agree with you that i go to events for the fun factor, and personally for me i really enjoy a lot of the SC events because most of the guys there i have been playing with for years and i like to support these clubs and event because the supported me when i wasnt very well known or even a good golfer.
And i do support my State but i prefer to support a region known as the Southeast so i can go to a few more events in different states not just NC and SC

good post mike.

I'm glad that you travel to events and have fun at them - I know that I really enjoy every event I get to play with you.

It seems to me the best solution is simple (and this is based on number of tournaments in the area)

4 regions -
West Region - Hickory West
Peidmont Region - Charlotte, Greensboro, High Point, Burlington
Triangle Region - Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill, Sanford, Zebulon
East Region - east of 95

Then within your region you have one coordinator (let's say Brad Smith in the west, Alan Beaver in peidmont, Mike Norris in triangle, and Scotty Faison in the east).

Each region is given 500 points to do with what they want with the exception that no region can have an event with more points than another event within thier region and that at least 3 events are on the series

The that coordinator meets with the TD's of the events in his region and decides who is on the series and who is not. If he wants all of his points from his region to be in 3 events, then thats fine. If he wants 10 events in his region on the series, that is fine.

on a much much much more positive note, this is the first year of the new system and im sure it will get better and better every year.

I appluad the committee for selecting that USDGC rep from the points and look forward to competeing in as many as the NC points series events as I can.

that sounds reasonable.

However it is set up afterwards, i do beleive it should be 4 regions. Our state is long, and it seems extremely weird to me that the most tourney heavy area (Raleigh) should include the entire section east of 95.

One thing i do think is that each club that puts on an event. should have the right to be included in the point series. Im not sure the club count in the state that puts on tournaments but im pretty sure it isnt over 20 although it may be very close. Every club should be given the option if they want to host a NC Point Series event. If they choose not to, then that is there option.

on a much much much more positive note, this is the first year of the new system and im sure it will get better and better every year.

I appluad the committee for selecting that USDGC rep from the points and look forward to competeing in as many as the NC points series events as I can.



I just hope we dont have another BCS in the making

right on mike. i play as many events as i can and i always find the time to squeeze in a few event in south cacka as well as the western part of the state. so living at the beach i just except that i will have to travel farther than alot of people to make all the great tournaments in south east

It takes something I feel passionate about to get me out of my motherhood mode to take time out to post something on the message board.


still wont help getting a lot of players from this end of the state, it is just too far to drive when there are many more events that are less than 4 hours to get to



May I remind ALL of you...for many years I traveled all across our beatiful state to play in a tournament. I traveled by myself for a majority of tournaments when I first started playing. I supported all of you when you held tournaments. This meant that sometimes I had to leave after work late at night & travel(by myself) to other parts of the state. Come home late on Sun night & wash uniforms so that I could be ready for the next work week. I had to make hotel or friendly guest arrangements for these tournaments. In the beginning all of them were hotel arrangements, because I didn't have too many contacts in the western part of the state, I have since made friends & could probably have somewhere to stay in nearly any DG town. Maybe I am wrong, but I feel that I represented the eastern part of the state along with a handful of others like Scotty Faison. I feel that the eastern part of the state has been pushed aside, for the wrong reasons. How about a little representation from the west. It would be nice to see those people in such towns like Charlotte come to our region. I am saddened by hearing, it's too far. Charlotte drives by myself were not the most pleasant of experiences, but when I would get there, & see my friends & played the courses, I remembered why I drove 4 hours to get there. Guys, don't let the travel be the reason you don't include us more. Because those of us in the east have traveled many many times to the west to play.

Sorry about the book.

great post Moe.

I appluad the committee for selecting that USDGC rep from the points and look forward to competeing in as many as the NC points series events as I can.


That would be great if an east nc player had a chance without traveling over 3 hours on average to most any tournament on the series.

I def. understand and flat out agree with your post donnie.

However, this is the right step towards what needs to be done. I don't agree with the current setup, but it is a step in the right direction.

Hopefully next year things will be a little more evenly balanced.

I got more of the site updated tonight.

There should not be any more page not found issues.

The masters points page is how advanced and pro will look but since masters has the fewest people I was testing my code with this group first.

I will work on filling in more information on the about page and getting the results page correct for pro and advanced divisions.

you are the man Mike. This site is unbelievable. it looks really really good.

To see a map of every public and private course in NC click here (http://discgolfer.googlegroups.com/web/Map%20of%20NC%20Courses.gif?gda=TTPdikYAAACICuOeyp eSGmzoeg90jutnA75W-tM6_BqsqiLmiRwG-mG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDQXLY3LMZVO-en1vPlB1zaqtfQI17PywQxEU17map2_Tw) .

This is an experiment. Please let me know if you can see this map by clicking on the hyperlink.

The course names aren't listed because it's too crowded with that view.

Which 10 events are the USDGC events?

I can see it, but do the flag colors mean anything?

do the flag colors mean anything?



No, the flag colors have no meaning. They're randomly chosen, but I try to vary the colors. No real reason for that, though.

do the flag colors mean anything?



No, the flag colors have no meaning.



Thanks for the reply. That gave me an idea, so I redid the map. Now all blue flags are for public courses, and all red triangles are for private courses (even if they're listed in the PDGA directory. There are a spectrum of private courses in regard to being open to the public. It might be said that those listed in the directory are semi private.)

This makes it much clearer as well as being able to distinguish public from private.

To see a map of every public and private course in NC click here (http://discgolfer.googlegroups.com/web/Map%20of%20NC%20Courses.gif?gda=TTPdikYAAACICuOeyp eSGmzoeg90jutnA75W-tM6_BqsqiLmiRwG-mG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDQXLY3LMZVO-en1vPlB1zaqtfQI17PywQxEU17map2_Tw) .




I deleted the old files since I redid the map. But that will still take you to the Google group "Discgolfer", and if you click on "Files" you should get to the new maps. Please let me know if you can see them.

Would you please do one more experiment? Please go to http://groups.google.com/group/discgolfer/ and see if you can see the maps under the "Files" section. Please let me know.

I'm actually doing this because I'd like to make a point about the NC Points series, but I need these maps as a visual aid. If they're viewable I'll explain my idea.

[QUOTE]
to be honst with you I like a lot of the courses on the Eastern end of the state. But i dont travel to these tournaments due to the fact that there is usually an event going on in SC that is closer, so i go there. The drives to the eastern end of the state is rather long, hence the amount of SC tournies i play



So, which SC tournament was closer than the CPWO this weekend?

[QUOTE]
to be honst with you I like a lot of the courses on the Eastern end of the state. But i dont travel to these tournaments due to the fact that there is usually an event going on in SC that is closer, so i go there. The drives to the eastern end of the state is rather long, hence the amount of SC tournies i play



So, which SC tournament was closer than the CPWO this weekend?



EXACTLY!!

Not many people from west of the triangle at this event.

Just flat out sad. No excuses why a great tournament with lots of added cash that is on the points series ran by great people on great and FAIR courses should only have 67 people.

Just unreal that people miss these events!

Let's wait and see how many Jacksonville and Wilmington folks show up at Hickory and Boone.

Truth be told, Tobacco Road residents (Winston-Salem - Raleigh) have much easier logistics in having a shot at the points series. And, not everyone relishes the idea of driving 400+ miles and paying all the expenses involved ($120 min for travel, not including food - if you travel alone).

theres a tourney in boone?

woops - I was reefering to West Jufferson. Its all the same once you're in the the high country! :p :)

Let's wait and see how many Jacksonville and Wilmington folks show up at Hickory and Boone.

Truth be told, Tobacco Road residents (Winston-Salem - Raleigh) have much easier logistics in having a shot at the points series. And, not everyone relishes the idea of driving 400+ miles and paying all the expenses involved ($120 min for travel, not including food - if you travel alone).



We dont have to wait I can tell you right now who from Jacksonville came to Hickory last year.

Donnie Shumate
Daniel Hillyer
Chad Crom
Mitchell Blake
Chris Sanders
Danny Shumate

hmmmmmm.............

and I can tell you that we will be back this year as well because it is a great course and great tourny.

BTW Jacksonville represented 7% of that field.

Nice! Way to represent your end of the state!

Somebody got served. And it wasn't Tub!

Do share!

nevermind

http://www.ncdiscgolf.com

The points have been updated now with CPWO included.

wow mike you are on it this year man. this is really great seeing this thing updated so fast. here is one thing i noticed and i am sure you are aware but a little FYI anyway. the placement numbers are not factoring in ties. Jay and the other guy for example both have 90 points so they should be tied for 4th i think. Also i seems the point system is top heavy. but the site is GREAT and mad applause for your tireless work on it.

yeah for now I am not really entering the place by checking the points. I am just printing the row number from excel.

I might look into some more programming to do an actual place within excel. Would love to get this into a database eventually though so this stuff could be programmed easily.

I am likely going to write another excel document as well for Web Display. The current version has 20+ worksheets to calculate and sum the points so it might not be well suited for the web. Google Docs does not support that many sheets currently.. I tried...

The points system this year is the first time it has been changed in quite some time. At the end of the series this year perhaps we can evaluate how the changes worked this year and then see what we might be able to change for next year. I can then change the point scale in the one sheet of the excel document and then we can see how the 2007 points would have turned out with the "new" points scale for 2008 and determine if any changes need to be made.

Thanks for the suggestions I will try to get to it before I drive to NJ this weekend.

Once again you are the man Mike. thanks.

Y R U driving to NJ?

family stuff. no golf this time.

Family in NJ, I know that feeling.

exit 5 for me. That is how people identify things there right.. ;)

The USDGC Events are posted:

chapel hill, wilmington, discourse, sanford, alamance, horizons, west jefferson, OHO, hickory, and FDCs

something came up in our club meeting tonight that i have not heard discussed yet. are the dollar values per person/ tounrament staying the same? i.e. what the TD pays to the N.C. Points series per person to be an included event in the N.C.Points series staying the same?

The TD should have received the information. If not send me a PM and I will forward that info to the TD. The "fees" are different this year though.

Advanced NC points series results has been updated now so everyone can see where they stand before Mooky's Cup not mine.

NC Points Advanced points (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/results/advanced.htm)

And just for you Dave I updated the place to reflect for "ties" now.

Other divisions will be updated after mooky's cup as then there will be new points.

And just for you Dave I updated the place to reflect for "ties" now.



norris always makes you feel special. thanks mike.

Wow Dave for a little white guy, you sure can JUMP! Nice shooting buddy. Good luck this weekend.

thanks Joe. this will be a chance for some people to make up some ground.

Should be interesting with many of the top open players in the points heading up to VTI....

The top 5 is Schweb (VTI) C Lee (VTI) JJ (not playing either) Logan (Mooky's) and myself (Mookys)

I just wish this was a 100 point event....either way, me and Logan should move into 3 and 4 this weekend....hopefully at least.

word on the street is JJ is playing VTI as well. Jump ship to a new team along with CLEE...

I hope that I can, but I have never played there before. I guess we will see.

word on the street is JJ is playing VTI as well. Jump ship to a new team along with CLEE...



Well, JJ was going to go to VTI if he played anything, but new job means neither.....

well thats a shame! I was hoping to match up with him!

what team are you playing for?

Thats awesome you got into VTI, I got to play the last two years and am bummed I didnt get to this year.

playing on Baltimore. Never played Hawk Hollow, but I'm really excited about getting a chance to!!

I just wish this was a 100 point event....



You want a one day C tier to be worth 100 points???

As someone who wants to give a run at the points series and realizes that a lot of talented golfers who are also in the running for the points series will not be at this event, you durn right!

As someone with a bit of logic, no

:D

As someone with a bit of logic, no

:D



What about math??? :p

watch out for his 8's trust me..........

NCPOINTS series has been updated to reflect points from Mooky's Cup.

www.ncdiscgolf.com (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com)

Next event is the Pro Crosstown.

Let me know if there are any questions about the points.

NCDiscGolf.com has been updated with the UNC included for the series.

http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/ (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/index.htm)

I should get the USDGC series points updated this week hopefully.

The USDGC Events are:

chapel hill, wilmington, discourse, sanford, alamance, horizons, west jefferson, OHO, hickory, and FDCs

any reason why none of the 3 NC A-Tiers were selected to be USDGC events?

any reason why none of the 3 NC A-Tiers were selected to be USDGC events?



Just to make sure I understand the question. The 3 A tiers are:
Pro Xtown
Charlotte Open
Sneeky Pete

If these are the three events you are referring to then Sneeky pete happens after USDGC so not sure how we could include this event as part of the USDGC points.

Charlotte Open is the weekend before USDGC and the State rep needs to be turned in before this event has concluded.

The only other event would be pro xtown. My understanding (which may not be that of the nc points board) is that the USDGC spot is up for all players (pro, master, adv) so having pro xtown as a USDGC point event would put the advanced golfers at a severe disadvantage. All of the other events that are part of the USDGC point series have all of the divisions playing the same course on the same weekend.

The USDGC points will have all golfers "ranked" regardless of division for each event and then the points are determined for the event. This seems to be the "most fair" as a masters golfer might win in an 8 person field every event but finish out of the cash in open. In this way all players are "ranked" based on how well they played at the course.

If you are referring to other A-tier events let me know.

The NC points have been updated now and I have also posted the USDGC points for everyone.

Let me know if there are questions.

http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/

Why is the leader of the NORTH CAROLINA points series advanced division from ILLINOIS?? :D Come on fellas!! :D

Sorry, just having some fun.....my time in North Carolina has come to an end. I'm heading back to Illinois this weekend. I've really enjoyed myself down here. Made a lot of friends. Everybody has been really friendly and treated me like I was just part of the crew. I just wanted to thank you all and let you know I really appreciate the hospitality. I hope I am able to come back down to NC sometime and enjoy some of the nicest courses and people around.

Take care,
Dustin Fee

we'll miss you bro. You and AO come here and I become really good friends with ya'll and ya'll leave....boo!!

Allways good seeing you on the lead card after two rounds.
Way to s h i t the bed. May your W's come back to you in ILL.

For those of you that don't know... Fee and I carded almost every round together at mid-nats a few years ago. Hate to see you leave.



Kozak

Those NC Am's are glad to see ya go you won't be able to make them look so bad. Glad to see you participate so heartily in our neck of the woods. Best Wishes!

Fee, you always will have a place to stay in my home. You are really a great guy and I am glad we got to spend many rounds together. I wish you the best in disc golf and all you do, you're first class man. Remember what not to say after a bad shot, you were getting better at it. Thanks for the friendship! Stay in touch!

All points are now updated through Discourse.

thanks mike!

Allways good seeing you on the lead card after two rounds.
Way to s h i t the bed. May your W's come back to you in ILL.

For those of you that don't know... Fee and I carded almost every round together at mid-nats a few years ago. Hate to see you leave.



Kozak



Wow... look at this !

D Fee (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6436)

Yeah Dustin Fee Nom! Get it boy!

Thanks Mikey for the Update