Epicenter Disc Golf Services and the Augusta Disc Golf Association, in conjunction with the Disc Golf Hall of Fame and the PDGA, proudly presents the 2007 Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic. The 3-day event has been dual sanctioned by the PDGA as a Pro National Tour and Amateur SuperTour event. We cordially invite all disc golfers to join us for this truly historic occassion, as we dedicate the new PDGA International Disc Golf Center at Wildwood Park in Columbia County, GA.

We kindly ask for your support for this event by sponsoring a hole on one of the two courses. The cost is only $50 and will get your name listed on a hole at the IDGC during the 3-day event. We encourage clubs and businesses to honor your favorite Hall of Famer by sponsoring a hole in their name.

The IDGC ribbon cutting will take place prior to the start of round 2 on Saturday morning, April 21, at 9:00am. Staggered tee times throughout the event will give you plenty of time to check out the new PDGA headquarters building, IDGC Pro Shop and the Ed Headrick Memorial Museum, home of the Disc Golf Hall of Fame. Saturday evening activities include a putting contest, skillshot competition, live music, barbecue dinner and Hall of Fame recognition ceremony. There will also be the traditional silent auction to benefit the Hall of Fame, where you'll have the opportunity to bid on some great collectables.

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Stay tuned for additional information to follow.

Regards,
Brian Graham, #5861

What are player limits for each side of the event?

Matt,

The format will be one round per day with tee times. The Pro's will play the Innova/Houck (gold level) course twice and the Headrick Memorial (blue level) course once. Am divisions will play the Innova/Houck course once and the Headrick Memorial course twice.

Because we are only playing one round per day with a staggered start, we will be able to accomodate a pretty large field. The final numbers will be determined by the tee time increments, which have not been decided yet. I'll gladly announce the field capacity here once we make the final decision.

Due to the IDGC grand opening festivities, our goal is to accomodate as many members as possible, without negatively impacting the event schedule. I am confident that this event will fill, based upon the number of e-mails and phone calls I am receiving.

Regards,
Brian Graham

Special thanks to Keith Johnson for contacting me within minutes of my initial posting to sponsor two holes for the event. Only 34 holes left!

The Pro's will play the Innova/Houck (gold level) course twice and the Headrick Memorial (blue level) course once. Am divisions will play the Innova/Houck course once and the Headrick Memorial course once.




Are the Am divisions only playing two rounds? ...or did you mean to say that they would be playing Headrick Memorial twice?

Thanks for the correction. All divisions will play 3 rounds!

BG

Brian,

Is the online sign up listed in the flyer ready for prime time?

I went there but it isn't listing the 2007 event.

Kirk

Hopefully I will get to play this event this year.

Online registration for the HOF Classic at DiscGolfSignup.com (http://DiscGolfSignup.com) is currently being set up. Please check back soon! I'll be posting a web page with pertinent tournament information including hotel info by this weekend at the very latest.

How about some camping info for the park? I am not sure if it's more the RV type of setup, but what about us hobos that use tents? Showers? Facilities? Pricing?

Wildwood fees:
http://www.columbiacountyga.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=3183

Did a little quick research.

They have 61 campsites.

Camping
Regular (RV) $18/nightly $450/30 days

Sr. Citizen/Handicapped $16 $400/30 days

Primitive * $10 N/A
* Tent without electricity and water hookups

$10 dollars a night for camping, pretty sweet! $18 for an RV, Des and Jay!

Be sure to call the park to reserve a tent or RV campsite if you plan on camping. There is a very large pro Bass fishing tournament at Wildwood that same weekend, televised by ESPN. Last years fishing event drew over 20,000 people to the park over the 4-day tournament. A deposit equal to one nights fee is required to reserve your site.

Wildwood Park (http://www.columbiacountyga.gov/Index.aspx?page=2680)
Reservations - (706) 541-0586

hey...i bet we could get on espn if we starting throwing discs into the water to help "chum up" the waters for the fishing event :D

i can see it now..."well bob, tommy almost had that record bass into the boat when he got hit in the haed by some flying disc!"

"yes bill, that disc golf sport is really something ain't it? i hope he threw a dragon at that boat or that puppies headed to the bottom of the lake"

"yes bob...but when tommy gets out of the water and back into his boat, i bet he's gonna head for shore and kick some disc golfin' butt"

"no bill, i think he'll be impressed with the accurasy of the throw and probably give the guy a big thumbs up!"

"and now a word from our sponsor microtel which supports disc golf totally!"

i can see it now :D:D

keith

I'm wondering which disc manufacturer will come out with a disc named the Bass to potentially grab the marketing attention.

Online registration is now available at DiscGolfSignup.com (http://www.discgolfsignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=009&DEPT=1109125731&BACK=A0001A1)

Please consider supporting the event by sponsoring a hole on one of the courses. Hole sponsorships are $50 and can be purchased through the online registration process or by mail at the address posted above. This is a great way for a club to honor their hometown Hall of Fame member by sponsoring a hole in their name for the event.

I walked the Innova/Houck course layout this morning with Matt Gillis and was absolutely blown away. This course is going to be unbelievable! The clearing contractor has made tremendous progress and John Houck will be in town this week to finalize tee pad and basket locations. I'll try to post some photos soon.

Regards,
Brian Graham

John Houck will be in town this week to finalize tee pad and basket locations.
Regards,
Brian Graham



brian... can you please ask him to not use mud tees and keep the baskets out of the lake , unlike how it used to be at round rock for national dubs in the late 90's :D:D

None of Houck's course is by the lake. It would take a Texas size gully washer to flood any of his pins in the ravines.

Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic
Tournament Hotel:

Microtel Inn & Suites (http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=microtel+inn&near=Augusta,+GA&radius= 0.0&cid=33472778,-81964444,12763594705720741173&li=lmd&z=14&t=m)
2909 River West Drive
Augusta, GA 30907
(877) 733-1377
(706) 481-8010

Rates: $50 single, $55 double, $60 suite
* Be sure to mention PDGA disc golf to receive these special rates

Wildwood Park Camping (http://www.columbiacountyga.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=3183 )
Regular (RV) $18/nightly
Sr. Citizen/Handicapped $16/nightly
Primitive $10/nightly (Tent without electricity and water hookups)

Directions:
Wildwood Park Home Page - http://www.columbiacountyga.gov/Index.aspx?page=2680

those are nice rates.

SweeeeeeTT! I'll be making the trip from ATX.

The Steady Ed Course is Great!

Houck's is the only course of the 3 that has established fairways (somewhat).

Bring your A game for this tourney.

Let's all KICK SOME BASS!!

Hope that arm is beTTer by then Fishhead.

The Arm is like the Bionic Man now,....

Stand back you Thumber,.... I've got a T-Rex heading down towards that #5 basket on the Steady Ed Course!!

MULLETS UNITE !!!! :D

The Steady Ed Course is Great! Houck's is the only course of the 3 that has established fairways (somewhat).




The Steady Ed course is the one that's farthest along which Monroe and I designed. Houck is there right now testing and tweaking what they've cleared so far on the South Champion course to also get it ready for the NT.

I really enjoyed helping Matt and Jeremy one the Ed course while I was there.

Truly an Awesome time.

I really like that #5 hole. Water, Water, Water!!

I hope the level of the lake is up as far as it can get.

I hope so, too. I want to find a way to permanently mark an OB line along the regular water mark so those six lake holes aren't pushovers and always play the same in terms of OB risk/reward as designed.

chuck, have you changed that DROP ZONE on the first hyzer over the water #5 i think?

It's too unfair...to force someone go throw a tunnel shot that far for a drop zone...There will be 2's for those who clear rhe water and 6's and 7's for those who have to goto the drop zone. and that aint good

The drop zone on #5 is still the Red tee. I understand what you are saying and I think we'll have to play and see what the score distribution looks like. If we place the OB line at the normal water level, I don't think you'll find as many players trying that route or trying it at full power to reach for the two. Remember that's a Blue level course and the carry on that to the pin with that accuracy is beyond most Blue level players on a consistent basis. It's likely though that the long Steady Ed pin on the peninsula will be played and that is likely a better tournament pin for all levels. In that position, going to the drop zone probably means a five and three is probably the best score for blue level.

Monroe and I will be there week of Feb 19 and we'll look at that issue.

I cant wait for this one,I am going to have to miss a lot of local tourneys around here but I think it will be worth the trip.

The lake is currently at 326' above sea level. Full pool is 330', so it is only four feet below full pool at this time. I'll be out there this weekend and I'll shoot some photos of hole 5 to post here next week.

I walked the South course on wednesday with John Houck and Harold Duvall. John is in town for a few days staking out the final tee and basket locations. Mike Olse was here throwing shots to test the lengths for John, so he could make the necessary final adjustments. This course is going to be fantastic! Harold will be making a return trip to redesign and install the Skillshot course in the meadow behind the building.

The headquarters building is looking really good. All of the rooms have been painted and they were working on the trim and other architectural finishes. Ceramic tile has been installed in the restrooms and the septic tank and drain field were installed while we were out there. There is now a really nice deck on the rear of the building along with a drinking fountain. The old pavilion has been demolished and construction of the new tournament pavilion begins next week.

There is staill a tremendous amount of work to be done but it is all coming together! :cool:

Keep up the Great Work! Tell those Texans, From the Discers in Austin "South Side says Hi!" :D

Microtel Inn & Suites online reservations for the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic:
https://www.trustinternational.com/mBooker/microtel/2B?LANGUAGE=en&i=GOLFDISC&property=TXL-MT-HGMAGSAR>%20&i=GOLFDISC&property=TXL-MT-HGMAGSAR
Room rates: $50 single, $55 double, $60 suite


Tournament Registration:
DiscGolfSignup.com - Hall of Fame Classic (http://www.discgolfsignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1109582693)


Wildwood Park Camping:
http://www.columbiacountyga.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=3183

Here is the proposed layout of the "Steady Ed" Headrick Memorial Disc Golf Course for the Hall of Fame Classic. This layout is a combination of short and long placements as chosen by the course designers, Chuck Kennedy and Tom Monroe.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Hole</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>OUT</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>16</td><td>17</td><td>18</td><td>In</td><td>Total
</td></tr><tr><td>Dist.</td><td>595</td><td>375</td><td>290</td><td>310</td><td>510</td><td>220</td><td>515</td><td>250</td><td>460</td><td>3525</td><td>305</td><td>480</td><td>390</td><td>590</td><td>215</td><td>685</td><td>250</td><td>300</td><td>430</td><td>3645</td><td>7170
</td></tr><tr><td>Par</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>32</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>33</td><td>65
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

I'll post the numbers on the Innova/Houck course as soon as the tournament layout has been finalized. I believe the par on this gold level course will be around 70.

Special thanks to Ken Rollins and members of the Mid Ohio Disc Golf club, who spent 4 days at the IDGC last week volunteering their time to work on the courses. The Upstate Disc Golf Club (Greenville, SC) is planning on a club trip to the IDGC in two weeks to lend a hand as well. The Augusta Disc Golf Association currently has work days scheduled at the IDGC every Saturday beginning at 9:00am, from now until the grand opening on April 20th. Any clubs or individuals wishing to assist are asked to contact Addie Isbell at the PDGA office (706) 261-6342.

The HOF Classic and IDGC Grand opening are only 7 weeks away. Make your plans now to attend this historical event.

Regards,
Brian Graham

Awesome Brian, I cant wait. I am planning on bring a clan up from Jax for the tourney. I am also going to try and make a trip to help on the course.
I spoke to Luke the other day and am trying to talk him into coming back into town for this event. Maybe I'll get him to play pro with me.

Keep up the great work.
Augusta showin everyone how its done!

Here is the latest course map for the "Steady Ed" Headrick Memorial Course at the IDGC. See my post above for the tournament layout that will be used for the HOF Classic. Each topographic contour line represents a five foot change in elevation, so you can see how hilly the course is. The closer the contour lines are to each other, the steeper the terrain.

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impressive use of the lakefront to create both lefty and righty favoring water holes. very nice! Can't wait.

Thanks. That was intentional. I wanted to show how designers should consider routing their hole sequence so they could get balance by splitting the available shoreline so half the holes have it on the left and half on the right.

This process also creates the "Howdy do" crossover point. In this case, the 6 to 7 walkway crosses the 14 to 15 walkway where players can say 'hi'. The MFA has sponsored a water jug station to be installed at this junction.

This process also creates the "Howdy do" crossover point. In this case, the 6 to 7 walkway crosses the 14 to 15 walkway where players can say 'hi'. The MFA has sponsored a water jug station to be installed at this junction.



"Howdy do" crossover points should be added to PDGA course design guidelines. I like these. :cool:

Porta Potties should be added to "Howdy Do" crossovers.

Therefore they'd become "Howdy Doo" crossovers.

That should especially be considered at this crossover since players will have potentially just gotten beaten up by three water holes in a row in either direction.

Signed up last night and staying at the host hotel. This is going to be an awesome event.
Can't wait

For whichever course it is that is already set and ready to play with only a few trees left to take down, I guess North? par around 64... I played that course this past weekend and WOW! I've played somewhere around 50+ courses give or take some, and over Hampton Park, Brooksville, and Earlewood, this course takes the Cake. Bar none, the BEST course I have EVER played. From hole 5 on, I was shocked. Coming up to every next hole, I didn't think you could do much more then you did. For All who have worked very dilligently on this course and to the designer, 10 hats off to you. The elevation changes are unbelievable and holes 5, 12, 13, and all others I can't think of right now, all I can say is WOW! What a FANTASTIC course! If I had the time and money to get in the Hall of Fame Classic I would. It's worth the 110 to play three days at this place! Will be down many more times to play these 3.

Think he liked the course? This was written AFTER he had a day to calm down---you should have heard him when he had just finished his round!

When will the registration list be updated? I registered a week ago (I hope!!!) and I still don't show on the list.

Are the current basket placements on the Headrick Memorial the ones that will be used during the HOF?

Will the Advanced and Advanced Masters be playing the same tees?

Hi David,

Yes to the first question. I believe the second question is yes also...unless they add a few shorter tees for the Adv. ;) We currently only have one set of concrete tees.

See you in a few!

Week after the Hall of Fame Classic is the Discourse Open at a little course we like to call Renaissance. 3 rounds: First round Original, second round Gold, then one round of GOLD on Sunday. Come see Renny all spiffed up with new baskets and ready to eat your cookies. It's really not that bad. Really.

A veritable bargain at $42 for pros, (all pro divisions) and just $22 for ams. How does Tacodisc keep the prices so low? I don't know, but his prices are INSANE!!!! I call him Crazy Eddie behind his back.

Friday night there will be a clinic for one and all with various local pros, and if that weren't enough, Taco will labor over a DVD all night to put in the am players packs! This guy is nuts!

Brought to you by the Charlotte Disc Golf Club... who will be making a trip to the NDGC on April 14th to help get the course ready for the Hall of Fame Classic! Charlotte DGC rocks!

Brian,

What are the details for the tournament? When is registration? What time and day is the opening ceremony? The flyer said Friday 10 am, but your post earlier said Sat. at 9 am....basically, when do we need to be there? Trying to finalize our travel plans.

The Sauls Agency

The first tee times are scheduled to start Friday at 11am assuming the Opening Ceremonies at 10am are done. I would guess you won't know your starting course or tee time until close to the event so they can balance the courses as well as possible with the final turnout in each division.

I just received an e-mail, as a registered competitor, with details. It says round 1 tee times will be posted Thursday (and lots more).

Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic

April 20, 21, 22
PDGA International Disc Golf Center
Wildwood Park
Columbia County, Georgia

* Greens fees are included in your entry fees.

* A $2/vehicle park entrance fee will be charged to all vehicles entering the park. Due to limited parking, players are requested to carpool from the tournament hotel to the IDGC. Off-site overflow parking will be available with shuttles to the IDGC Clubhouse.

<u>Courses:</u>
Steady Ed Headrick Memorial DGC
presented by the Disc Golf Association
designed by Chuck Kennedy and Tom Monroe

W.R. Jackson Memorial DGC
presented by Innova Discs
designed by John Houck

<u>Mandatory Players Meeting:</u>
All players are required to attend the mandatory players meeting on Friday, April 20 at 10:00am at the IDGC. The official building dedication will be part of the players meeting and we are expecting many Columbia County officials and media to be in attendance. This is a grand opportunity to show the County how much we appreciate their support.


<u>Schedule:</u> (tentative)
Wed. April 18
All day - PDGA Summit
Practice Rounds

Thu. April 19
All day - PDGA Summit
Practice Rounds
Round 1 tee times posted

Fri. April 20
10:00am - Mandatory Players Meeting
11:00am - Round 1 tee times begin (Pro divisions - W.R. Jackson, Am divisions - Headrick Memorial)

Sat. April 21
9:00am - Round 2 tee times begin (Pro divisions - Headrick Memorial, Am divisions - W.R. Jackson)
6:00pm - Barbecue Dinner, live music, silent auction, HOF Recognition

Sun. April 22
9:00am - Round 3 tee times begin (Pro divisions - W.R. Jackson, Am divisions - Headrick Memorial)
Awards ceremony immediately following last putt

<u>Barbecue/Auction:</u>
The traditional barbecue dinner and silent auction will be held on Saturday evening at 6:00pm at the IDGC. We are asking all players to make a $5 donation at the barbecue to benefit the IDGC and all players are kindly asked to bring an item to donate to the auction. All auction proceeds will benefit the Disc Golf Hall of Fame. Thanks in advance for your support of these ancillary events.

We look forward to you arrival at the PDGA International Disc Golf Center.

"Est Omnes de Ludo" ~ "All about the Sport"!

Regards,
Brian Graham
TD - HOF Classic

i cant wait to get to augusta in a couple of weeks! hopefully i will be able to play...either way, if you need any volunteers (spotters, etc..) i am available and would love to assist.

Hey, I'll be heading out on the road for a few months after BG and was hoping to find myself either some floor space or tent/yard space for like Tuesday-Thursday. Any help is appreciated!

Coming down tomorrow to do some work and build up some good karma for the courses. I'm too excited for words. Just wondering, are we going to be installing the baskets on the Houck course? I heard a rumor to that effect(fingers crossed).

Is there a map/diagram of the W.R. Jackson Memorial Course available yet? I'd like to print it out and put it under my pillow at night, for osmosis' sake. :D

That is correct! We will be the first to play the Jackson course. There will be maps available at the work day ;) so come on down/over/up.

Thanks to everyone who has volunteered. We are so grateful for your time and dedication. This will be a place you will call "Home".

See you all soon!

That is correct! We will be the first to play the Jackson course. <font color="red"> with baskets :eek:...thanks to matt's map i was able to play it last saturday when i was there helping :D</font> There will be maps available at the work day ;) so come on down/over/up.

Thanks to everyone who has volunteered. We are so grateful for your time and dedication. This will be a place you will call "Home".

See you all soon!



i can't wait to play it "for real" next week...

something for brian to consider....release the tee-times at 10 am at the dedication to have all the golfers guaranteed to be there :eek:

otherwise i can see that alot of players that tee off after 11:30 won't be there for the dedication :( (one of the negatives to tee times vs. shotgun starts)

see everyone next week

keith

Tricky idea, Keith - the wheels in your head are always spinning, aren't they? BTW, I have 2 rocs for you!

Actually there is a mandatory player's meeting at 10:00...which begins with the dedication.

Baskets are in the ground! Matt, you Roc! :D

We had a great turnout today. Thanks Augusta and Charlotte. We worked "Steady" until 5:00PM. Thanks to Matt Flynn (Nacho Mamas) for providing lunch for everyone. Yummmmmm. Thanks to Chuck Kneibler (hope I spelled that right ) for donating his paintings for the Commons room. You will love his work.

The parking lot stayed full all day. This is going to be amazing!

See y'all in a few.

Hi Allen,

I bet Matt will post a map soon. Cool disc, btw. I am from Huntsville. :D

Glad you are back playing again.

Take care,
Addie

Ah, yes - the Shuttle Puppy is returning to the South, searching for hospitable chains. I don't leave home without it!

If you are in the area, you really must play this one. I helped yesterday and we played "The Ed". Wow. Great golf. It'll be worth the trip just to play the courses. One round a day is ENOUGH! Lots of elevation on the Ed. But a lot of great shots and all the water holes rock!

But don't wait, because the summit is going to absorb all the registration team's time.

AUCTION ACTION!

AS ALWAYS, THE SATURDAY NIGHT AUCTION WILL BE FILLED WITH TREASURES PROVIDED BY THE TRAVELING PROS AND THE HALL OF FAME MEMBERS. PARTICIPATE THROUGH A FRIEND AT THE AUCTION IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND. YOU ARE ONLY A PHONE CALL FROM CONTRIBUTING TO THE MUSEUM AND GETTING A RARE PIECE OF PLASTIC!

HERE ARE SOME TREASURES FROM THE PAST FEW YEARS. DISC COLLECTORS, LICK YOUR CHOPS.

BLUE GREEN AERO $30
METAL HEAD VIPER $85
UNSTAMPED ROC $11
LAVONE WOLFE AVIAR BLACK $20
JAMES BROWN ULTIMATE LID $12
#7 MIDNIGHT FLYER W MINI $27
BRETT FAVRE AUTOGRAPHED PHOTO $18
98 HALL OF FAME DISC $28
PROTO VIPER $130

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I REMEMBER BASKETS, PROTO VIPERS, SWEETRED CE TL�S, A SHUTTLE PUPPY, 1995 DGHOF DISC, SAN MARINO ROCS, BACK ISSUES OF EARLY DG MAGAZINES, AND AUGUSTA NATIONAL MEMORABILIA (FROM THE LOCAL CLUB MEMBERS). MANY DONATIONS MADE BY STAN MCDANIEL HAROLD DUVALL, LAVONE WOLFE, ALAN BEAVER, SNAPPER PIERSON, DISCRAFT, DGWN, THE VOAKES, DAVE DUNIPACE, AND THE PDGA.

THE FIRST EDITION OF HALL OF FAME SIGNATURE MINIS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE EVENT. NEED DISCS SIGNED BY HALL OF FAMERS? THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR COLLECTION MORE PERSONAL.


Barbecue/Auction:
The traditional barbecue dinner and silent auction will be held on Saturday evening at 6:00pm at the IDGC. We are asking all players to make a $5 donation at the barbecue to benefit the IDGC and all players are kindly asked to bring an item to donate to the auction. All auction proceeds will benefit the Disc Golf Hall of Fame. Thanks in advance for your support of these ancillary events.

We look forward to you arrival at the PDGA International Disc Golf Center.

I CAN'T WAIT!

Oh wow, wow ... the IDGC is just unbelievable. Two great courses (though I've got an issue or two with holes 11 and 12 on the Headrick course ...). The building is (gosh, I have to use that word again!), just unbelievable. The museum rocks too. In fact, the entire weekend was pretty much ... unbelievable!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

Ooops, I mean I've got issues with holes 12 and 13 on the Headrick course. (Sssh, don't tell anyone I'll be playing against next weekend that I can't get either of those tee shots to go in bounds no matter WHAT I try.) I suppose I can always throw 20 feet down to the edge of the lake, and go from there ...

Now hole 5 on the Headrick course ... that's a hole!

And hole 8 on the Jackson course ... with the incredible receding basket. Ask anyone who was there yesterday evening! OK, the hole IS (allegedly) over 900 feet long. But the more we threw along that fairway, the farther away the basket moved!!

Vanessa, I got a 5 on that hole! (8 on Jackson) I was so proud. I'll let you in on the route. Can't post it here though. ;)

You are right! That is too funny. I remember seeing the basket from the tee and then when I threw my second shot I walked to my disc and thought, "huh, I thought the basket was closer". I think it's an optical illusion.

...oh and I agree about Number 12 on the Ed. When the water is up like it is now it is tough to cross. :(

Ooops, I mean I've got issues with holes 12 and 13 on the Headrick course. (Sssh, don't tell anyone I'll be playing against next weekend that I can't get either of those tee shots to go in bounds no matter WHAT I try.) I suppose I can always throw 20 feet down to the edge of the lake, and go from there ...



You can take a 2-shot penalty on the water holes and start from the Red tee which is the drop zone, so you don't have to lose your disc. In heavy wind, I might even take that option. On 12, the "safe" shot is to throw a turnover toward the A pin which is maybe 250-265 to get safe. We cleared trees so if you land near the A pin, you have several approach alleys to the basket to get your 3.

On 13, we knew it would be tough if you didn't have a forehand as a righty. I don't have one myself so it's tough for me. Of course, my co-designer Monroe has one of the best forehands around. I've either used an Express or Coyote to turn over the shot enough to land safe most of the time. I suspect a Kite, Roadrunner, Panther, or Stratus might also work well depending on your taste. The big boys won't have too much trouble with an Aviar, Roc or Buzz.

I'm working on the grounds rules for the tournament right now. Select divisions will not be playing from the concrete tee pads on the water holes on the Headrick Course, so no need to worry. Those divisions will play from the drop zone (future short tee pads) without a penalty. I'll try to post a copy of the grounds rules and course maps as soon as Dave Gentry and I have finalized them.

There are currently 170 players registered. Registration will be closed out on Wednesday evening so don't delay in registering. Round 1 tee times will be posted Thursday at the IDGC clubhouse and at PDGA.com.

Lots of people from the early days of the sport will be on hand along with many Hall of Famers. Please don't forget to bring an item to donate to the silent auction, which will benefit the Disc Golf Hall of Fame. The auction will take place on Saturday evening in conjunction with the traditional barbecue dinner, live music and Hall of Fame recognition program.

Tee signs will be installed tomorrow on the Headrick Course and temporary tee times will be installed on the Jackson Course for the tournament. Unfortunately, benches have not been installed yet so be sure to bring a stool if you have one.

Please be advised that there is limited parking at the IDGC clubhouse and a $5 per vehicle gate fee to enter Wildwood Park on the days of the tournament so competitors are being asked to carpool from the tournament hotel.

Mandatory players meeting for all competitors on Friday, April 20 at 10:00am. Please plan on arriving at the park at least an hour in advance of your tee times each day as there is a very large ESPN televised fishing tournament the same weekend and entry into the park may be very slow due to the expected high traffic.

PDGA members are invited to visit the PDGA Board summit meetings at the IDGC clubhouse on Wednesday and Thursday. This is a great way to see the Board and staff in action.

We look forward to seeing everyone later this week. Please have a safe journey!

Regards,
Brian Graham

Actually there is a mandatory player's meeting at 10:00...which begins with the dedication.





you haven't been to many "mandatory" players meetings have you addie? :D:D

the only 1 i have ever seen have 100% attendance was usdgc where harold takes roll call :eek:

anyways.... i'll be there even if i have to swim across the lake between bass boats to get there :D:D

keith

I'm hoping we players will all carry ourselves in a manner fitting with the significance of the event - on time and in attendance for the player's meeting and dedication.

Who knows - maybe some of the ESPN camera guys will get bored watchin' fishin' and will stumble upon us!!

BTW, the tournament registration link for Ams is displaying the Pro entrants...

Yes I do go.

That's weird! Thanks Allen. I'll fix it shortly.

That's weird! Thanks Allen. I'll fix it shortly.



Fixed - Thanks!!

If I had to choose between a two-shot penalty and taking a 20-footer to the edge of the water, I know I'd drop something down near the water and go from there. I may be old and feeble and have a seriously short arm, but I'm also very confident that I could hit the landing zones I'm looking for from down by the water.

Chuck - I guess I shouldn't have exaggerated quite so much ... the short turnover is feasible on both holes, at least when the wind isn't raging like it was yesterday. Getting 12 in three is very feasible too, even if you throw a short turnover to the "short" landing zone. Getting anything under 6 on 13 is a different kettle of fish, though, if you make it in bounds on the tee shot but come up short in the big bush, you're going to be working on a 5 for sure... (of course, there is that cool route straight through the trees that Connor found Saturday ... !! turkey got a 4 by taking the shortcut!)

And Addie ... I found that route to a 5 on 8 on Jackson. I'm not tellling anyone either!

I measured today and it's 210 to barely cross the water to the center of the landing opening on 13. It's about 240 to turn over a shot from the long tee on #12 to a decent landing area. It sounds like several of the divisions will be playing from the short tees on the six water holes but Brian is still working out the plans with Dave.

That's a shock to me. I believe you, don't get me wrong, but I'm surprised it was only 240 to cross. Maybe it just plays with my head because it's over water. NO SHORT TEES!! :)

Maybe If I came to this event SOMEONE from the alleged "Disc Golf" Hall of Fame would contact me about how to nominate someone, but the brush offs have just made be decide to say the hell with it. And please, don't reply with an email address! I've been there and done that and apparently nobody wants to talk to me. rWc3523

I think I have one of these for the auction on Saturday: Prototype Innova Eagle (http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc_eng.aspx?DiscId=1919) Orbitor's Odyssey Stamp, very clean...

What're YOU bringing?

That's a shock to me. I believe you, don't get me wrong, but I'm surprised it was only 240 to cross.



On 13, it's 270 to barely cross on the straight line to the basket with the current lake level. It's only 240 to throw a turnover to the landing area toward the short pin.

I thought only Hall of Fame members could nominate someone for the Hall of Fame.

I agree with Addie ... I believe you Chuck - after all you know that course a lot better than I do!! But while 12 definitely feels like 240 to a decent landing zone, I can't remember a decent landing zone on 13 that is only 210. The place where I want to be on 13 is the "obvious" landing zone at the foot of the relatively straight fairway uphill into the woods ... surely that is more than 210 by the time you get up past the OB flags??!? If it is only 210, then kudos to you Chuck - that tee has completely worked a GREAT mind game on me. I can't wait until Thursday when I get to look at it again!!

I believe that there is one at-large candidate selected by popular vote who will be added to the list of potential candidates each year. Speedy will announce when that nomination and selection process will start and post it online here. Other candidates are nominated from the HOF members, plus there's already a list of qualified candidates from previous years who are still in the mix. Plus, each year a few more candidates may be added who have finally met the time criteria of being in the sport/PDGA for over 15 years.

The flags on 13 were removed and there are none on 12 so water is the only OB there. If you look back at my earlier post, you reversed the distances. It's a 250-270 turnover on 12 to the ideal landing area near the short pin and 270 straight ahead toward the pin to land safely. But you can turn it over even earlier and get on the beach but perhaps less ideal position. On 13, it is only 210 to just clear the water at the midpoint of the opening. Of course, throwing another 30-40 ft puts you in better approach position. The red flag OB lines will only be used on 5, 6 &amp; 14.

Yes I do go.



ok... no more comedic attempts on my part...

i've just been to WAY too many tournaments and run them as well including nt's, majors,worlds where the mandatory players meeting was not attended by even 2/3 of the players...as i said the only one i've ever been to with 100% attendance was the usdgc....but like rizbee i would hope that people would respect the td,commissioners,pdga,press,and other contestants by being there... early even to get good seating and parking :D

see everyone thurday afternoon

keith

;)

Thanks Chuck, but where does one find this list? Is it public? And should I gather from your last sentence that this is not simply a disc golf hall of fame, but a PDGA hall of fame? I'm just asking this because I know of a deserving individual and have been VERY frustrated in attempts to get someone, anyone, to at least tell me how it works. If it's a closed, good ol' boy thing, fine. I'd just like to know. rWc3523 :cool:

WoooooooWeeeeeeeee!
We have ourselves a home in Georgia. The IDGCenter is way cool with a deck overlooking what will be lush green grass all around the Skillshot Course surrounded by towering pines. The courses, well y'all better get here and help beat 'em down a little bit. The designs on the first two are great and Gillis and the boys have done an amazing amount of work. There is only so much time in a year though, ya know. Years from now we will playing some true gems. Houck's course is every bit of that Par 69 especially when you add in the loose ground, rocks, sticks and the like. Kennedy and Monroe have the advantage of having had it finished first. Already has fairly smooth fairways and some cool shots. Bring your chair as the rounds will be all day affairs, but hey, where else you wanna be?
It will be a great weekend to be sure! :D

Russ, as a newbie I really don't know the whole process yet. The candidates are not secret and I believe players who were involved before the PDGA was formed have been inducted. Just search for Hall of Fame on this website and you should be able to find the thread from this time last year and see who is on the list.

Jay, thanks for the kind words.

Yep, the Jackson course is a little rough around the edges, but we've got two more days to polish up this beauty (and another 2-3 yrs to make 'er shine).

We're really looking forward to everyone coming down and testing their skills on these world-class courses. The terrain is incredible and the designers exceeded themselves.

Here are the course maps for your enjoyment/frustration:

Steady Ed Course - 2007 Hall of Fame Classic (PDF) (http://www.pdga.com/documents/IDGC/Ed_Course_07HallofFameClassic.pdf)

Jackson Course - 2007 Hall of Fame Classic (PDF) (http://www.pdga.com/documents/IDGC/Jackson_Course_2007HallofFame.pdf)

wow, I better practice the Innova course. That's one nasty start to your day.... 6 par 4s in a row! Youch!!! Gonna be an experience for sure.

Russ,

The Disc Golf Hall of Fame is an independent entity with no official affiliation with the PDGA. I would recommend contacting the director, Al "Speedy" Guerrero, with any questions you may have in regards to the nomination process. Posing a question on this message board and receiving no answer does not mean that you are being ignored. It may mean that the person or persons with the answers do not read this message board.

Regards,
Brian Graham

wow, I better practice the Innova course. That's one nasty start to your day.... 6 par 4s in a row! Youch!!! Gonna be an experience for sure.

I wonder if I can pre-book a massage and a bottle of tequila for Saturday after my round on that course...

Looks like fun though!

Can't wait to play holes 11,12,&amp;13. They offer me the best chance at a 3.

What are the course records as of now?

I can't find it on the park website, are there showering facilities at Wildwood? If anybody who's been there could let me know I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Plus, each year a few more candidates may be added who have finally met the time criteria of being in the sport/PDGA for over 15 years.



:D Hey I meet that criteria......

Nominate ME!!...

:D

Sorry for the thread drift. Was just hoping for so some information. I hate to miss this event, sounds great. rWc3523

Does anyone know whether Friday's tee-times will be posted on the web and, if so, when and where?

I understood they would be posted today but can't find them....but the only website I can find is the one to register, so perhaps I'm not looking in the right place.

They are posted now.

Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic
PDGA International Disc Golf Center
Wildwood Park
Columbia County, GA

Here are the tee times for round 1:

Pro Divisions (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6266)

Amateur Divisions (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6629)

Male Pro Open (MPO), Female Pro Open (FPO) and Male Pro Masters (MPM) will play on the W.R. Jackson Memorial Course, Par 69.

All other pro divisions and amateur divisions will play round 1 on the Headrick Memorial Course, Par 64.

There is a mandatory players meeting at 10:00am Friday morning in front of the IDGC Clubhouse. Tee times for round 1 will begin at 11:00am on Friday and 9:00am on Saturday and Sunday.

I would like to shoot another 61 on the Innova course tomorrow and Sunday. Yeah. Please.

Heard the course was a disappointment to some players.

Shoot em up Cuban and Mark. No booze, no partying, and in bed by 8 o'clock.

Good Luck Tater Sack!!!

Watch the ribbon cutting from this morning here:
www.discgolftv.com (http://www.discgolftv.com)

Complete coverage, interviews and more to come.

Heard the course was a disappointment to some players.



How so? Fairways too narrow? Too rough on the edges? Too many pro par four holes?

Why isn't Barry S. at this tourny?
TK

Hey Chuck,
Can you check the round ratings for Adv. Masters vs. Pro Senior Grands? We played the same setup on the Ed course yet our ratings are different.

For those of you who aren't here - the IDGC is a fantastic facility. The Headrick Museum alone is almost worth the trip. The "Ed" course is tough but fair - you have to make precise shots to score well, and it requires a variety. The Jackson course is long and tough and has potential, but it needs to be beat in a bit. Unfortunately they just haven't had time to clean up the fairways and fine-tune stray branches, etc. I'm sure others will have their gripes and compliments (of course).

Bottom line is that the two Brians and the rest of the PDGA leadership have created a great setting to showcase our sport, and they have cultivated a very enthusiastic and supportive political network. This center will continue to grow and develop and will be a premier destination for disc golfers.

Why aren't you here? ;) Hope all is well in Birmingham, TK. Miss you.

As Des put it perfectly...we are the "Beat Down Crew". Playing golf is secondary to what is going on here. It's truly amazing and we appreciate everyone being so supportive.

Why isn't Barry S. at this tourny?
TK

He wanted to take a week off

Hey Chuck,
Can you check the round ratings for Adv. Masters vs. Pro Senior Grands? We played the same setup on the Ed course yet our ratings are different.



Ams and pros playing the same course layout on the same day will have different unofficial ratings since Ams and Pros are in different event pools online. Dave will try to merge those scores so the ratings should end up the same when the official ones are done. However, the time those two pools went off was far enough apart that those may stay separated since it was stagger start not shotgun.

992 round for Guru: nice shootin'! :)

Pick up the pace, Keith. :D

Had to work addie, i do wish i was there after last weeks terrable weather in BG. if you are going to be in huntsville, i will see you there.

TK

Does anyone know where I can find a map of the course they are playing today. I love this live scoring, but it'd be better to see the course simultaneously.

Climo has a birdie on every hole so far through six.

Bennett is rounding into form nicely. Nice shootin', Geofff.

Scotty, a few pages back....


Jay, thanks for the kind words.

Yep, the Jackson course is a little rough around the edges, but we've got two more days to polish up this beauty (and another 2-3 yrs to make 'er shine).

We're really looking forward to everyone coming down and testing their skills on these world-class courses. The terrain is incredible and the designers exceeded themselves.

Here are the course maps for your enjoyment/frustration:

Steady Ed Course - 2007 Hall of Fame Classic (PDF) (http://www.pdga.com/documents/IDGC/Ed_Course_07HallofFameClassic.pdf)

Jackson Course - 2007 Hall of Fame Classic (PDF) (http://www.pdga.com/documents/IDGC/Jackson_Course_2007HallofFame.pdf)

which course did open play first? thanks

Jackson course.

Anyone know what happened to Tom Monroe? It looks like he had a good first round but there isn't a second round score.

Tom's Augusta curse returned - it sounds like he came down with food poisoning again. It hit him late Friday night and kept him in bed all day yesterday. He still looked a little green around the gills last night and missed the barbeque at the IDGC.

Ken Climo takes a bogey five to Avery Jenkins' birdie three, on the first hole, and a par four to another Jenkins birdie three on hole 2, and just like that, Climo's two stroke advantage has been erased and he now trails Jenkins by 1 stroke!

Click here to follow the live scoring on the WR Jackson Memorial course:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=6266&amp;Div=

Click here for a map of the WR Jackson Memorial course, with hole distances and pars:
http://www.pdga.com/documents/IDGC/Jackson_Course_2007HallofFame.pdf

Climo with another bogey 5 on the par four fourth hole. Jenkins with another birdie three, which has been matched stroke-for-stroke by Dave Feldberg. Climo is now in third place one stroke behind Feldberg. :eek:

The Live scoring isn't working for me, it just displays a page with Hole Numbers

The Live scoring isn't working for me, it just displays a page with Hole Numbers



Will, try the following link: http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6266#Open

Then, click on the link that says 'Click Here for Live Scoring!'

where is the cool dot technology?? :D

USDGC was the only tourney to have that I think. It was pretty cool though to get a visual overview. In time it would also be nice to have more than the top card with live scoring with at least the top 3 cards to see how everything is shuffling.

With nine holes to go, Jenkins has a 3-stroke lead on Feldberg and 4 strokes on Climo. Only a colossal meltdown would prevent Avery from capturing the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic NT title.

With nine holes to go, Jenkins has a 3-stroke lead on Feldberg and 4 strokes on Climo. Only a colossal meltdown would prevent Avery from capturing the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic NT title.



Colossal meltdown? C'mon man if he doesn't keep playing good he may not win I don't think a colossal meltdown is needed.

With nine holes to go, Jenkins has a 3-stroke lead on Feldberg and 4 strokes on Climo. Only a colossal meltdown would prevent Avery from capturing the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic NT title.



Colossal meltdown? C'mon man if he doesn't keep playing good he may not win I don't think a colossal meltdown is needed.



I told you so Jeff! Now it is only 1 stroke with 8 to go.

Yes, but a bogey four on the par 3 eleventh hole, with Feldberg and Climo taking deuces, coupled with failing to match the deuces posted by the latter two golfers on the 12th and 13th holes, didn't help. With five holes to go, Feldberg now leads by one over Climo and Jenkins. The tournament title is on the line!

kenny and dave tied, avery 3 back

dave back up 1....if he finishes birdie birdie, that will give him a 57, considering the best round friday was 61, that shows you how hot that round will be.

Ugh. A double-bogey six on the par four fifteenth hole, and a triple bogey 7 on the par four seventeenth hole, and the Jenkins collapse is complete. :( The tournament will now come down to Feldberg or Climo.

avery just took a 7.....

kenny and dave birdie 17, dave still up 1.

Where's the shot by shot coverage ?

avery just took a 7.....

kenny and dave birdie 17, dave still up 1.



Feldberg by 1.... :D


Is there a Final 9??

:cool:

Is there a Final 9?? :cool:



Nope, that's all she wrote. Dave Feldberg is the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic NT Tournament champion.

Is there a Final 9?? :cool:



Nope, that's all she wrote. Dave Feldberg is the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic NT Tournament champion.



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Sweet....

Team Oregon on the rampage....dang it, Avery..... :D

Obviously I was not at the tournament and I'm sure everything was smoothly ran, as I have played a Brian Graham event and I know the HOF classic is a classy event.

However, is it just me, or is that payout really low for a NT?

Bennett is rounding into form nicely. Nice shootin', Geofff.



Nice final round, Geoff.

Go MI.

Joe

Obviously I was not at the tournament and I'm sure everything was smoothly ran, as I have played a Brian Graham event and I know the HOF classic is a classy event.

However, is it just me, or is that payout really low for a NT?



If you are comparing the Open division payout with that of the Memorial and Bowling Green Open NT events, realize that both of those tournaments had over 100 Open competitors. There were only 53 Open division entrants in the Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic, and the payout is actually pretty high when you take that into account.

The last HOF had 38 and a bigger payout

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4636

Very interesting how a Nt would pay less than their A tier with 15 more players.
I'm guessing the entry fee was also a bit higher for the NT as well.
There seems to be a big trend towards flatter payouts and paying more places in the open, plus the whole masters thing deflates the potential for a big payout. Usually the winner gets 22% or so, it should probably be at least 25% if not 30% and the depth should only be about 20%-25% instead of 33-40 ( in the open) that would make most event pay outs look pretty sweet.

I wouldn't mind seeing entries into masters like the 1/2 the price of the open to keep to keep the pay outs down and encourage the top masters to play with more players of the same skill level.
It looks like every score in master cashed for more money than in open and they had to beat a lot more players to do so. Just think if this event had just one division!

If I'm not mistaken womens fields for the bigger events are down from 8-10 years ago!
I know the high dollar womens entries keeps a lot of women away.

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You may have all the information necessary to make such a strong statement, but I can not find it online. Without knowing what the players' pack was (and other amenities), my opinion is that it would be wise to withhold judgment.

Plus, it looks like the AM prize numbers are not correct anyhow (looks like a cut and paste error to me - 1st place missing and not 50% payout).

The Duke taking down an A tier, that is pretty good golfing AMFD! Way to go!

dave back up 1....if he finishes birdie birdie, that will give him a 57, considering the best round friday was 61, that shows you how hot that round will be.



A 58 is sick on that course. He missed a 35 footer for a 57 on the last hole. It should be rated 1080 at the very LEAST. Congrats Dave!

I agree. Par 64+ at NTs is really screwing with good round ratings. That is a phenomenal round, but he did 5 hole 10...

Anything with an SSA that high will never have a good round rating.

Yet someone can shoto a 40 on a birdie fest and it be rated 1090.

I just do not understand.

Gonna take a 54 on a course like that to get to 1080.

Big thanks to everyone, from Brian Graham on down, for a great weekend. I can't imagine how much was going on to prepare for an NT....and an A-tier Am.....and get a course like Jackson installed with a week to go....and the new IDGC center....and all the rest. Most impressive was the scheduling of the weather!

From my vantage point at Advanced Masters the event was nearly perfect. Thanks again, to everyone in Augusta and everyone with the PDGA for making it happen.

I think a calculation change is in order then. 2 shot holes are inherently harder to birdie. especially on a course like that. You have tough fairways and indeterminate landing zones as opposed to a target that you are simply aiming for. There's 14 more drives on this course than on a par 54. that's 75% more 200-300 ft shots that require execution AFTER executing good teeshots. in all honesty, it seems like more of a bell curve would work as the courses get longer. Where each stroke at the top is worth more, and each stroke near par is worth less rating points.

Dave &amp; MTL,

We opted to go with a lower entry fee for this tournament than our previous NT's because we wanted as many players as possible to be able to join us for the IDGC grand opening. Also take into account that we now pay deeper into the field than in the past. We added over $4,000 to the purse, which is the most I have ever added to a purse with the exception of Pro Worlds in 2006. My goal for this event was not to be the richest NT. It was to make this event as affordable to as many members to attend as possible so that they could be here for this historical occassion. We had 200 competitors, so my goal was accomplished!

The winners of the am divisions took home a pair of Bite shoes, courtesy of that sponsor. All amateurs received a $25 credit to choose whatever they wanted from the IDGC pro shop. The event also featured free bottled water, energy drinks, and snacks throughout the weekend. All players were also treated to a free barbecue dinner on Saturday evening. The results you see on the web site rarely tell the whole story.

This article, along with two color photos, appeared on the front page of the Augusta Chronicle on Saturday:

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/042107/met_125570.shtml

username: pdga
password: pdga

The highlight of the weekend for me personally, was seeing Farina Headrick throw a disc with Ed's ashes onto the roof of the building, where it will be permanently affixed.

Thanks to everyone who made this historical weekend so special!

Regards,
Brian Graham
TD - HOF Classic

Dave &amp; MTL,

We opted to go with a lower entry fee for this tournament than our previous NT's because we wanted as many players as possible to be able to join us for the IDGC grand opening.



Cool, totally understand now. Thanks for clearing up.

I really wanted to make it down, but the three day event made it tough.

Next time I guess.

I think a calculation change is in order then. 2 shot holes are inherently harder to birdie. especially on a course like that. You have tough fairways and indeterminate landing zones as opposed to a target that you are simply aiming for. There's 14 more drives on this course than on a par 54. that's 75% more 200-300 ft shots that require execution AFTER executing good teeshots. in all honesty, it seems like more of a bell curve would work as the courses get longer. Where each stroke at the top is worth more, and each stroke near par is worth less rating points.



Couldn't agree more, Matt. People have been bringing this point up for years. Intuitively it seems very wrong that a low score on a pitch-n-putt course generates a higher rating than a brilliant score on a high SSA course with pro par four and pro par five holes.

It was a great time. Good folks, great facility, challenging courses, and great groups. Really great groups. Everyone seemed in a good mood unless they were hitting trees multiple times on holes, even then I didn't see any outbursts beyond the usual "ARRGH!"

The drink sponsorship was great. I had 2 Rockstars and a Who's Your Daddy after the event and thought I would crash before my 10:00 arrival at home... well, I was up til after 1.

The lunches on site were great. really. and the BBQ was also awesome stuff. For a new center, it really felt finished inside, with beautiful art, a well stocked pro shop, and good parking once we utilized the length of the driveway.

Beautiful weather capped off a great weekend. It really could not have been better. Friendly park staff, shuttle carts from the remote lot, and friendly people really made it enjoyable.

A special thanks to Connor or Greg Thompson for finding my Oakleys and getting them back to me. That really made me feel like we were all one family. I appreciate it.

Shoulda played it blind. 61 in practice on the Jackson... argh!

While shooting 17 down on a par 54 course (short or not) is impressive, It just doesn't seem like "World Class Golf". I mean, how fun would it be to watch a par 3 championship in golf, and would that be considered world class golf, or world class approaching and putting?

Whereas par 4 golf requires a wider range of skills, so, if anything, each stroke is MORE of an achievement than it is on Par 3 in my book.

I think playing par golf on a par 4 or 5 should be the same as playing par on a par 3, but each stroke below should be worth more than each stroke below on a Par 3, as each birdie on a par 3 relies on putting, where each birdie on a par 4 relies on drive, approach AND putt. The total package!

I would like to thank everyone involved for making this tournament possible....and apologize to all the trees I hit. I'll definitely be back for the next one, however, my discs said they weren't coming.

I didn't mean to insinuate your payout was inappropriate as far the rules rules go, I'm sure it was by the book.
There is no individual or staff to blame with your event or any other particular event.
I heard from all who attended your event that it was spectacular and a great place to play.
This statement was intended to shed light on the payout difference from open to masters for those who shot the same scores on the same course.
If it came across as an attack on your event I guess I should have been a lot more descriptive.

The point I was making is that if you shot a score in masters you made more money than someone who shot the same score in open.
These numbers are there in the payout and unless the open players received a more expensive players pack than masters, something just didn't seem to add up.
Obviously this sets a precedence on players over 40 " who could compete in the open" to play in the masters, especially those who feel they will only place below 8th or so in open. These players will often be rewarded more financially by playing in the masters. Disc golf tourneys cost $200.00 plus to attend and if you have better chance to recoup your money playing in masters when over 40 than playing in open, it gives players 40 and over more of a reason to not play open.
I feel the flaw is in the amount the masters pay for entry fees. lower entry fees for masters would change the numbers around a whole lot.


I personally try not to discriminate because of things like sex, race and even age. The numbers from this event and many others over the last few years indicate those over 40 have an advantage financially over those under 40, which seems like reverse discrimination to me.

Maybe I'm mistaken but I always thought that
one of the goals of the pdga was to have a "pro tour"!
My points were that the earnings of the open players were being cut into by flatter payouts and players shooting the same scores in another division and earning more money.
This situation will most likely only continue to go in this direction as those nearing 40 or already there will see the advantage financially of playing in the masters and not in the open.
Without disc golf being on television with revenue coming in from advertisement, the payouts for pdga events wont be able to climb to the point that more than 20 players will be above the poverty level anytime soon. Its pretty hard for the 3980 professional pdga members to tell someone that you are actually a professional disc golfer or playing for money is what you do as a career when only 20 or so players out of 4000 pro card carrying members are even above 10K.

Gonna take a 54 on a course like that to get to 1080.


Chuck you and I have talked about which strokes should be worth more, those with an ssa in the 60s or those in the 40's.
Players who play harder ssa courses seem to have lower player ratings, which is becoming obvious to all who follow the ratings.

Is there something to do with the mean or distance away from the average score that could adjust the points per stroke from each particular event?

Maybe the ratings points per strokes should be re-evaluated and taken a look at from a different perspective.
An 11 point per stroke separation when the ssa is 44 and a 7 point value at 66 seems exactly the opposite that it should be.
The more strokes you play and the more you beat a guy by should mean the strokes are worth more, not less.

Im reposting in the ratings thread, this is probably not the thread to continue this discussion.

Had a wonderful time this weekend. Beautiful weather, great lunches and challenging courses. Thanks for all the hard work guy's! Keep it up!

did grandmasters play - r1 steady ed, r2 jackson and r3 steady ed?

All divisions but Open Men, Open Women and Master Pros played that sequence.

Hey all,

We had a great time, and are just now recovering from this great event. Take a second to look through some of these photos, hopefully it will entice you to make the trip on down!

Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic - Saturday (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157600133561943/)

Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic - Sunday (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157600133820884/)

chuck

why are the grandmasters ratings so much better than adv?

ie- a 61 during the 3rd round is a 991 for gm while a 60 for adv is 976

Because it is. The same group of players under the same conditions can produce a 2-shot variance in SSA and both numbers are correct. It may sound like a lot, but it's less than 4% variance. Regardless, Gentry is combining the rounds for all Am &amp; Pro players who played the same layout at the same time when official ratings are done. They're only separate right now with separate unofficial ratings calcs because the Am A-tier and Pro NT are separate events on the calendar.

The small size of the fields also produces variance and the fact that, on average, Advanced players are slightly underrated since more are improving and Pro GM ratings are stable or slightly overrated also contributes.

Thanks, Chuck- I'm still learning all this rating stuff.

Nice pic's, Matt.

The small size of the fields also produces variance and the fact that, on average, Advanced players are slightly underrated since more are improving and Pro GM ratings are stable or slightly overrated also contributes.

I would agree - I feel I'm slightly underrated... ;)

Tee off Hole 10 Jackson Course (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/475121527_cdf815dffd.jpg?v=0) Guru wearing red shirt in background on back porch of IDGC.

What follow through! Showing off my A.P.E. index... (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/475121533_0f87044940.jpg?v=0)