I don't understand why a person can train, take the time and spend the money to compete at the World Championships and yet are not be eligible for a world record. I understand that the majority of players are not realistically looking for a world record but there are a choice few that have a chance.

Not every event at the World Track and Field Championships produce a world record but I can't imagine telling Carl Lewis nice job but your time is not eligible to be concidered for a world record.

Many of these athletes are young and running on a tight time schedule. I have been checking and have found a few smaller events that can take the time, fill out the paperwork and pay the small fee to the WFDF to be eligible.

I asked this question to a certian PDGA official. He suddenly started sounding like a politician. His lips moved but I could'nt here what he was saying. I guess to look at the bright side you are eligible to be a world champion at the World Championships.

I don't understand your question?

Wiggins Jr has several distance records and none of them were at worlds events (as far as I'm aware).

My question is. Why is a throw at the world championships not eligible for a world record?

I believe you have a specific instance in mind that some of us are not familiar with, could you be more specific?

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I am talking about the world championships. As I understand it any player that surpasses the existing record is not eligible for a world record. To be concidered a world record the event must be registered with the World Flying Disc Federation. How can young Mr Wiggins break a world record at the worlds when the event is not eligible?

If anybody has cleared 820'/250m...we didn't hear about it around here...? Heck, 650' hardly ever gets exceeded except at Big D in the Desert.

Dave Wiggins Jr. has the U10 and U12 record (i think)

Thats a great record. But there are several other divisions in disc golf. In Jr divisions records are kept in age brackets. Mister Wiggins has several. I have watched him throw. He is incredible. Like I said before these athletes are on a tight time table. the record for a 9 year old is much less than the record for a 10 year old. But age should'nt matter. If someone steps up at the Pro Worlds this year and blast a new world record in the long drive event as far as I understand it would not be concidered an official world record.

My bad...I wasn't taking into consideration the other possible records by division(s).
Carry on...

Dave Wiggins Jr. has the U10 and U12 record (i think)



Unless he has set another new one, this is correct. I am sure he has hit the big 4 by now, but last time I saw him (about 5 months ago), he had thrown 399'.

mr. roc

I know what you are trying to say, but it isn't coming across clear.

There are guidelines that have to be followed to make the record count.

IIRC some of them are "must be observed by an official," "the ground has to be "flat"," and others.

Dave Jr broke one record recently and it counted because the qualifications were met. He wasn't at an event.

I don't know how much clearer I can get. I feel the World Championships is the premeir disc golf event in the world.
In such a huge event why would a record throw in the the long drive event not be concidered a world record? I understand the guidelines. It's funny they don't even call it a distance event.

I don't know how much clearer I can get. I feel the World Championships is the premeir disc golf event in the world.
In such a huge event why would a record throw in the the long drive event not be concidered a world record? I understand the guidelines. It's funny they don't even call it a distance event.



For a "Distance Record" to be "Valid", certain criteria MUST be followed...the main one being "FLAT" ground.
Im not sure what the exact limitations are BUT there is a specific "deflection?" between Tee Area & Landing Zone.
On top of following "proceedure" etc.. ie. measuring, marking, timing.

Im sure that IF the PDGA tried they could easily find a proper venue for this to happen at World's.
BUT to do it properly would take ALOT of time, with the numbers that participate traditionally. :p

We had many World Record's set at the UFOS annual Indian Summer Overalls at Sonoma State in Cailf. back in the day
Our field if checked went slightly up-hill so that was never an issue.....now they have built student housing that blocks all the "Good wind"
:(

As long as there is a very flat area suitable for the distance competition and the organizers are willing to follow the WFDF rules (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/art6.htm#603.02) for distance competition and record reporting, there should be no problem.

But few places have a suitable flat area long enough for a competition.

But few places have a suitable flat area long enough for a competition.



You haven't been to Illinois I take it. :D

Come to think of it, I have an area in the park beside my house that would work. Now I need a course nearby.

I don't know how much clearer I can get. I feel the World Championships is the premeir disc golf event in the world.
In such a huge event why would a record throw in the the long drive event not be concidered a world record? I understand the guidelines. It's funny they don't even call it a distance event.



Big difference here.....

At Worlds, and all other disc golf events I have been to, there was only a "Long Drive Contest" not a distance contest as you are inferring.

In the long drive contests, participants are required to throw in one particular direction and have the disc land in a "zone" in order to be measured. If a disc is thrown outside of the zone regardless of distance, it is not measured.

Distance contests are measured regardless of direction and landing zones. Participants can choose their angle of incidence to the wind in order to achieve maximum distance out of their throw.

Give me a true distance contest, forget these lousy long drive contests.

WORD!!!

WORD!!!



Pretty much every year the distance contest at worlds is set up so that you can break any "official" records.

Give me a true distance contest, forget these lousy long drive contests.


Having problems keeping it inbounds? :p

Give me a true distance contest, forget these lousy long drive contests.


Having problems keeping it inbounds? :p



No I am tired of having to throw in less than ideal wind conditions. This year at Am Worlds the wind was awful in the direction we were facing, if we could have moved over about 500ft and changed directions it would have been better.

Give me a true distance contest, forget these lousy long drive contests.


Having problems keeping it inbounds? :p



No I am tired of having to throw in less than ideal wind conditions. This year at Am Worlds the wind was awful in the direction we were facing, if we could have moved over about 500ft and changed directions it would have been better.



Oh yea? Well people still threw over 500'. Heck i even got 498'. :D

..yeah if we had better wind i might have been able to break 600'..just maybe... :p

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Not every event at the World Track and Field Championships produce a world record but I can't imagine telling Carl Lewis nice job but your time is not eligible to be concidered for a world record.



Since you use Track & Field for comparison, I'll do the same; you don't have to look very hard to find instances of times run faster than current World Records. But for World Record in T & F the track has to be certified for distance, there have to be certified officials present but the reason you would most likely have to tell Carl Lewis his time was not WR eligible, is that a tailwind during the race has to be measured and under a certain speed (2 meters/second, I think.)

A WR beating time can also be declared ineligible for consideration based on positive drugs test results (see sprinter Tim Montgomery.) In fact, Lewis tested positive for drugs during the US Olympic trials one year.

There are probably other reasons, too, but I can't think of them right now.

Putting, Minigolf, EDGE and Long drive have all been considered ancillary events for a long time at a World singles championship, not events where a World Champion or record are awarded. Although someone may refer to themselves as the World Putting Champion, they are really the Putting Champ at Worlds. None of the ancillary events have the appropriate format for a World Championship.

Minigolf is one round that's shot at diferent times where you don't even have to play with people in your division to get a score. Putting is closer than the other events to a true World Championship but I think most would want more shots and variety if it were a legit World Championship. EDGE has only one round of scoring done at different times.

Long Drive/Distance competition has been considered a pain in the butt for hosts because it requires a venue that most of the time isn't available anywhere near the rest of the activities, especially when a field that's a quarter mile long and wide is needed to properly host a distance competition. In theory, you need a level field that provides enough distance in every direction from the middle where you place the throwing stations so throwers can always have the wind angle to their liking. Most Worlds TDs I've talked with are relieved they are only required to do the Long Drive competition because it can usually be handled at one of the course venues with no worry about the wind direction.

The cool thing about World Distance records is that they can be done anywhere without having some other organized competition going on at the same time. Throwers from Sweden and other countries have no need to throw against players from the U.S. As long as the thrower has the proper field and witnesses, they can earn a record anywhere at any time.

BTW, WFDF has to sanction a distance competition for it to be called that. Stork, as a WFDF rep, has not sanctioned distance competitions at any Worlds for quite a while and Worlds TDs have not sought sanctioning. However, we have situation at Highbridge this summer where we potentially have a field at their small airport that could handle an official distance competition. We'll know in the next month or so if that can happen. Stork has already given an exception approval for this year should we secure the field. Don't expect it at Am Worlds this year or future worlds. We might consider allowing younger age divisions at Highbridge if we get enough interest since the Juniors will otherwise be at Milwaukee.

Give me a true distance contest, forget these lousy long drive contests.


Having problems keeping it inbounds? :p



No I am tired of having to throw in less than ideal wind conditions. This year at Am Worlds the wind was awful in the direction we were facing, if we could have moved over about 500ft and changed directions it would have been better.



Oh yea? Well people still threw over 500'. Heck i even got 498'. :D



They should note the day at which those longer distances were thrown. The contest was over a two day period. We basically had to decide which was better....throwing with the wind or throwing in the hard rain (as forecasted for the next day). We choose the wind, however when we made the decision the wind was favorable, once we got to the field it started sporadically changing directions.

Billy threw on the second day deciding to gamble with the rain. He won and the rain held off. I am not saying that I could have beaten Billy, but I sure has heck could have thrown farther then 453 or 459 I forget which one it was. But watching my discs bounce up and down was ridiculous and painful considering at Haikey Creek on hole 16 which was 478' I almost aced it as it flew 20-25ft past the basket. I almost nailed the spotter on the green who was standing by the basket. I was very disappointed with my distance in the long drive contest.

I hope I can make it to Highbridge this year for worlds, it will be a good opportunity to "choose" my wind.

On a side note does anyone know where I may find the records and their history? Who has the record for having thrown a golf disc the farthest? I would like to know the person, the distance, and the disc for as many years as it goes back. I have had a hard time finding this information. I would be happy to find it.

the World Flying Disc Federation has the distance records posted here (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm#distance) .

And if you want the history and discs used, at least for the men's open division: http://hem.bredband.net/area46/engelska/frisbee/WorldDistanceRecordsHistory.pdf

Listings in meters, if you have a better grasp on ft, you can use google. Example: for the current world record just type <font color="green">250m in ft </font>in the google search input field, to see that Christian Sandstr�m's world record throw measured 820ft.

i'll break that speed record

Just got word we can use the Ashland JFK airport to do a WFDF sanctioned distance competition at Pro Worlds. I haven't seen the setup yet to absolutely say we're going to do it but it's looking good. Players would throw from an asphalt surface where the runways intersect probably toward the east with nothing but flat land ahead since the runways run NW-SE and SW-NE.