For me I would have to say the TeeRex...
:D

driver mid or putter

driver mid or putter


Any type of disc, just the one that helped your game improve the most...

stingray vs.coyote vs.wizzard

KC Cheetah's. (although i don't carry them any longer) maybe a Star Cheetah will be released /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My orange 170 1st run Buzzz! That disc showed me there were many more lines possible than just the 'ol' hyzer to the pin route'. I still carry it to this day.

Driver: Wraith (XL a close 2nd)

Mid: Z Storm

Putter: JK Aviar X

Lots of practice improved my game. :o:)

Lots of practice improved my game. :o:)



I was going to say 10-12 years ago the Cyclone improved just about everyone's game. Nowadays i would say improvement comes from persistent practice with ANY mold.

Lots of practice improved my game. :o:)



I was going to say 10-12 years ago the Cyclone improved just about everyone's game. Nowadays i would say improvement comes from persistent practice with ANY mold.



No way! By what I read on here, it is all about the arrow and has nothing to do with the indian.

Because if we could all just clone Barry's, Feldbergs, Avery's, Kenny's bags we could all be top Pro's.

epic

Drive- 167 champion orc. My first year playing 2004

midrange- 10x roc and Rob sandrick for showing me the ropes with it. 2005

Putter-10x kc avair. 2006

Lots of practice improved my game. :o:)



I was going to say 10-12 years ago the Cyclone improved just about everyone's game. Nowadays i would say improvement comes from persistent practice with ANY mold.



No way! By what I read on here, it is all about the arrow and has nothing to do with the indian.

Because if we could all just clone Barry's, Feldbergs, Avery's, Kenny's bags we could all be top Pro's.



Somewhat true. It's mostly the Indian, but the Indian's quiver certainly has to be updated from time to time if he wants to compete for Indian Chief. Kris, you have to admit that if your Barry's, Feldbergs, Avery's, & Kenny's were all using their 200g Midnight Flyer 50 molds and you were using your current quiver; you'd have a shot.

The Cyclone was in everyone's bag that wasnt sponsored by a conflicting company or if someone was simply a loyalist to a certain brand. Why was it everywhere? It improved everyone's distance with it's incredible glide.....much like the wide rimmed gliders of today (Wraith Surge Beast Flash Orc Crush etc.) Gotta love technology. :p

i agree with my_hero's first statement... practice with ANY mold. Referencing a recent topic, so many discs are so much like every other with the release of a bazillion molds every year. Tiny differences that most really wouldnt notice. Pick you a handful of variety and learn just those*. The first time I broke into the double digits under par I was carrying two discs with me that day. How many different arrows does the average indian shoot? Robin Hood is the exception with his trick arrows, but he isnt an indian so he doesnt count.

oh and the TL did it for me.

(* Disclaimer - of course once you become a great player as those stated above, carry as many different molds as you see fit because by that skill level if you want to throw 10 different versions of the roc.... you probably know what you are doing.)

I never had a cyclone in the bag, and I had some Discraft in the bag back in the day.

MulleTTs don't count. :D

The Firebird has improved my game the most . When you gots a Firebird there is no such thing as wind.

Same thing with a monster I can throw it as far and straight into the wind as I can throw most of my other drivers with no wind. The disc that has helped my game the most is the Omega SS and it may have more to do with confidence than actual disc. But I know I am putting a lot less lately.

Over used PDGA forum cliche of the year: "It's not the arrow, it's the indian." Don't post on the equipment board if you think discs have nothing to do with succeeding in disc golf. They're the tools of the trade and they have a huge impact on player success.

Sometimes somebody picks up a disc that fits their game just perfectly and that disc does improve their game. Not everybody can pick up a Wraith and succeed, and they may never succeed with it, no matter how much persistent practice they have with it. The disc just isn't right for their form, arm speed, arm strength, amount of snap/spin they can produce, etc....

Once a player has found the discs that improve their game, then persistent practice with those magical discs will result in optimal improvement. If they are persistently practicing with discs that aren't right for them...the discs are detrimental to improvement.

No one disc has improved my game. I chose to place the discs I have in my bag because I know each one has a very important use for me, and I know with the discs I have I can take on any course in any conditions.

The Discraft Cruiser! We're talking about sometime in the 80's now. Before that Jon and I were throwing Whamo Frisbees.

I disagree w/ the practice any mold and it will improve your game. It will improve how you throw that disc. but alot of discs mask or even encourage bad form. discs that predictably fade no matter how bad you roll your wrist are likely only hurting your form (teerex comes to mind because i know people who used to bomb wraiths, but picked up the teerex for a month and cannot keep a wraith from flipping now).

Me personally I think the Sabre has helped my drives more than any disc (cyclone close second). The sabre can be crushed when thrown high and nose down, and flies straight enough you really learn how to aim w/ your body, and hit the line. Learning to throw high and nose down is very important if you want to be able to throw 400'.
The Wizard made me learn how to drive a putter, which helps me smooth out my form.
And the Solf added a level of control to distance drives.
All that said the predator probably shaves more strokes off my score now than any disc.

probably my 1st run buzzzen, but my game has improved through trial and error with all different throwing styles and forms. Now I have a throw down that I find to be very easy and consistent and I can throw less discs to achieve the same score.
I do enjoy throwing the buzzz though. It has been my main midrange since they came out, but i would like to see if there are other discs that might also fit my style (might try rocs again).

-Scott Lewis

element X has improved my game beacuse i can throw it most holes under 360, Thierfor i throw less drivers and have better control .

I can tell you how a single disc can improve your game. When a Monster was my main driver I'd have to dig through a pile of them to find the flattest most stable ones. Sometimes I went months without the driver I needed. But when the Flick came out they all flew like the best Monsters only faster. Just knowing that I have a disc that I can depend on is good for the physical game and the mental game.

The FIRST RUN Z BUZZZ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Over used PDGA forum cliche of the year: "It's not the arrow, it's the indian." Don't post on the equipment board if you think discs have nothing to do with succeeding in disc golf. They're the tools of the trade and they have a huge impact on player success.

Sometimes somebody picks up a disc that fits their game just perfectly and that disc does improve their game. Not everybody can pick up a Wraith and succeed, and they may never succeed with it, no matter how much persistent practice they have with it. The disc just isn't right for their form, arm speed, arm strength, amount of snap/spin they can produce, etc....

Once a player has found the discs that improve their game, then persistent practice with those magical discs will result in optimal improvement. If they are persistently practicing with discs that aren't right for them...the discs are detrimental to improvement.



I am not a great disc golfer. I am probably not even a good disc golfer but I am working to be. The entire point of the "indian arrow" angle has everything to do with what you are suggesting in my opinion. It is really more of a misunderstanding of what one means when they use it. I am guilty of it myself.

It is an excuse problem. Many DGers will look at a hole which they struggle with and think, "I need a better disc to birdie this hole. Surely, it is the discs fault that I can not park it everytime."

People have a hard time accepting that maybe it is how they are throwing that is to blame. So they go out and buy 20 different discs. They play up-teen number of rounds throwing a different disc for every different shot there is. It then comes down to a probability and statistics analysis. You have one disc for every type of shot you can imagine. For that shot to work you have to throw it perfect every time. But you only throw that one disc for that one shot every so often. So you have no practice in nailing that perfect shot.

Then you start to think... well maybe this different disc would work better. So you try it every so often when the shot will probably come up a few rare times.

Once the disc leaves your hand you have no control over its actions. It is your form leading up to the point of release that matters. Yes. Different discs will do different things that will improve a players game. But you assume everyone is throwing the discs right in the first place.

How many players can consider themselves world class Pros? The major majority cannot. They wont spend enough time learning how to make one disc do 10 different things. They want 10 discs that will do 1 thing.

The importance of the "indian arrow" is that YOU can change your game... not your discs.

i'd say the wizard. it was the first putter i could throw for distance. it taught me how to throw.

close second is the spirit.

Wizard. My putt and approach is the best part of my game hands down.

Playing with just ONE disc improved my game the most. It happened to be an XS at the time, but it made me learn control, accuracy, and various throwing techniques to make teh disc do what I wanted it to and not rely on the disc. After that, I'd say the Crush. The wide rim drivers really took my game up a level.

When i started forcing myself to drive with a champ teebird. before that i was just a tall hyzer thrower, but i forced myself to learn to flatten a teebird. that's when i got hooked. after that, i plateaued for a while until i forced myself to learn how to drive an aviar. the star aviar has made the most recent difference.

the discs didn't really change my game by flying any differently, but I think learning to throw a good disc well can really make a difference. it's a combo of the cowboy and the gun... buy the big guns and learn how to shoot them.

Definitely a Wizard. The Wizard taught me how versatile a putter can be, and driving with it helped me improve my overall distance.

Whether a hole was 600' or 140' it used to be that if I was on the teepad "driving," than I would throw a driver because that made sense to me. Now, I'm throwing a putter on anything 300' and in, my consistency is much improved, and I've learned how to shape lines.

I've also got to go with the wizard. Learned how to putt, learned how to drive. I don't know what more you could ask for in 1 disc :).

Agreed, hands down the Wizzard has it.

I am going to say a small bead aviar. Once you can throw that disc 250ft. on a hyzer line, you can throw any disc. That is once disc that forces you to be smooth to throw it and that helped the rest of my game.

The Aero improved my game the most. It was the first beveled edge disc I got back in '85. Before that I was using a 50 mold. The Inferno has added distance to my game.

Ultra-Star!!! Learning to control one of these will lead to enhanced control with anything. Just remember to throw drivers regularly to keep out of the air-bounce habit.

driver: leopard or the pro starfire

mid: definitely the wasp

putter: wizard

I really can't give the credit to one manufacturers putter ... but I can say that learning to throw putters, both for putting, approaching and driving has improved my game the most.
Second would have to be the Roc(s) I throw, and all the "bag-of-Roc" rounds I play.
For driving, the Proline Orc really impressed me the most. The Orc is really a great disc.
But back to the subject, "The Putter" has improved my game the most.

I really can't give the credit to one manufacturers putter ... but I can say that learning to throw putters, both for putting, approaching and driving has improved my game the most.



Agreed. Whether it's the Aviar, Magnet, Wizard, or whatever putt you chose, learning to drive and approach with one makes you a much better golfer.

The Aviar P&A (DX) has done the most to improve my all around disc sports game. I hadn't thrown much in the off season for Ultimate, but I lost my last flat-top Roc and started throwing my Aviar for everything and now it has smoothed out and added a ton of distance to my UltraStar throws as well without any practice.

My midrange game is more reliable than ever AND my reliability on the Ulty field is far improved (I've gone from being a cutter used mostly as a decoy to swing-cut). Oh yeah, plus it is the best putter I've ever touched. ;)


-Chris.

I'd have to say the Banger for my putter. I've been draining them from a much longer distance than I have before!

Probably the XL or Comet.

When a cannon arm learns to control a Comet, there is trouble for everyone else! :)

Probably the XL or Comet.

When a cannon arm learns to control a Comet, there is trouble for everyone else! :)



If you like the Comet, try the Squall and Storm.

My wife throws her Squall further than anything. She uses a Comet for downwind throws.

There should be some kind of qaulifying system at the DG stores. If you are just starting, you allowed to choose only the following discs:

1. Storm, Squall, Glide, Gremlin, Coyote, Shark, Aurora, Stratus, etc.
2. Any kind of putter mold.
3. Only cheap plastic.

When they are certified to shoot a +9 round they would be allowed to choose one of the following:

D Cyclone, DX Roc, D Wasp, D Buzz, Element, etc

When they shoot under par they are allowed to have a driver of 7 speed (Teebird, Firebird, Polaris, Valk, Viking, etc)

When they win two minis they can have a 7+ speed driver.

A year and a half ago I bought a Pro Line Rhyno, a Champion T-bird and a Champion Monster. I bought them after my friend practically begged me to go out and play a round of this "Disc Golf" with him. I hestitantly went along. After the fifth round at the nine hole course in town I went directly to the local disc dealer and bought those three discs.

18 months and at least 125 discs later.....

The Rhyno improved my game the most. I have since moved on to the DX, but still have my OG Pro Line Rhyno in my bag. I love the way a DX Rhyno gets beat in. It is so predictable it is not even funny. For me, it is very easy to throw as a driver and to put with as well. I carry four Rhynos in my bag, all having been worn in to different degrees. My game saw the biggest improvement when I started to learn how to drive with my Rhyno. I can throw them 300' and under with accuracy on a regular basis, and I have tried, at times switching to other putters, but I always end up coming back to the Rhyno.

Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno Rhyno

Also, The Flick (love it for side arm, thumbers, and trouble shots)

Drone too, bought one about a month ago, still learning it, but I like it a lot.

Last night I had a dream that me, Feldberg, and two other guys who I didn't know, were playing a round on a new course built inside the Mall of America in Minneapolis. They shut down the mall for a day and put up a huge course in and around the mall. I don't know why Feldberg was there, I've never met him, nor the other two guys, but at least I know who Feldberg is. Anyway, I have disc golf dreams almost every single night.

Sorry for getting so off track.

Still the Rhyno though.

Citysmasher,

I love your qualifying system!!! And, I'm actually going to use something similar to it at the camp I work at over the summer. I am a CIT director and disc golf instructor at a summer camp in WI, and we currently have a 12 hole course in camp (very short holes...but a lot of fun!).

Each activity that the campers sign up for has a Beg, Int. & Adv. offering. I am actually going to restrict the discs that each level can use this summer. Over the years I have seen too many kids throwing max weight discs that are WAY to advanced for their arms.

I think this is how I am going to break down the discs that will be available for each level (FYI each activity period is about an hour long and they get to do the activity 3 times):

Beginning Disc Golf - discs available:
Day 1: Ultimate disc
Day 2. Ultimate disc & Aviar
Day 3: Ultimate disc & Aviar

Intermediate Disc Golf - discs available
Day 1: Ultimate disc, Aviar & Mid (shark, roc, comet, etc..)
Day 2: Aviar & Mid
Day 3: Aviar, Mid. & introduce a Driver (Tbird, Valk, Xpress, etc...)

Advanced Disc Golf - discs available
Day 1: Aviar, Mid & Driver
Day 2: Aviar, Mid & Driver
Day 3: Aviar, Mid & Driver

Also, to pass onto each level the campers must demonstrate a variety of skills (objectives) that include: driving accuracy, driving distance, driving consistency, approach accuracy, putting consistency, new throw development (sidearm, thumber, anhyzer, etc...), They also have to shoot within a certain score range on the course to pass on to the next level (i.e. to pass beginning they need to shoot +4 or lower). Many campers are motivated by these objectives and some just don't care and just want to have play and have fun...and that's totally cool.

The reason that I want to implement a disc restriction is because the campers skills have actually been degrading over the years because we haven't had appropriate discs for their ability. Many campers give up on throwing a backhand because the forehand is more natural for them and a result is they never gain the backhand skills. I think if they are throwing mroe understable & lighter discs they will have more success with their backhand.

Also, all the discs that the kids are going to be using the summer will be 150 - 160g.

The Birdie is good for kids. Maybe better than an Ultimate disc. Also comes in 150 gram.

Overall, learning to throw midranges has helped my game more than anything else. I generally use Rocs but I also throw Buzzes a lot. If I had to choose, I'd say Rocs because that's what I learned to throw Mids with (but I still carry and use a Buzz for longer shots because I think it's just a tad faster for longer holes). By being able to throw a midrange disc for more shots out on the course, I have more control which equals lower scores. Middies hold a line longer and will go almost as far as a driver so it's a great disc to use, especially to stay in bounds on tight holes.

The most recent disc that improved my game was a Star Teebird (TB). Started throwing those last January and they really improved my game. They don't flip and are predictable finishers so I know they will usually come back at the end if I throw them out over OB.

Funny how discs get faster and faster but I become a better golfer as I learn to use the slower but predictable discs. I still love bombing a long gliding Wriath or hyzerflipping a Beast as much as the next guy but I am getting better as I stay out of trouble more and make my upshots and putts.

So...This Indian has chosen to focus on the weakest parts of his game and by doing so, I gotten better. The arrows that have worked for me are the Roc/Buzz and Teebird. I'm sure similar discs of most disc companies would have been just as usefull but I do like the Innova line better for no particular reason. Choose the part of the game you want to get better at and then get a couple of new discs and do it. Talk to your local sponsored players for what discs will be best for what you are working on and they will point to good discs.

-MAD :pMAX

I really liked the TeeRex and it helped me and my game out alot, but recently I have been using aviars for short drives and feel if I keep working on throwing a slower disc much more accuratly my game will greatly improve.

the star aviar BB, i didnt like any other aviar plastics

the star aviar BB, i didnt like any other aviar plastics


Really? That is the one aviar that I do not like at all. I am fine with the regular star aviar for driving but not putting but I cant stand the Star Aviar BB for anything

Sidewinder, hands down. It is my main driver on holes 300+, and many shorter turnover shots. My arm speed is not fast enough for most of the long drivers - this disc allows me to be relatively competitive in my division.

Of course, I still love my Shuttle Puppy!

I'd probably have to say the Teebird/TL mold. It's the most accurate driver on the market and it doesn't sacrifice that much distance. There is a Teebird for just about every shot.

MC

Overall, learning to throw midranges has helped my game more than anything else. I generally use Rocs but I also throw Buzzes a lot. If I had to choose, I'd say Rocs because that's what I learned to throw Mids with (but I still carry and use a Buzz for longer shots because I think it's just a tad faster for longer holes). By being able to throw a midrange disc for more shots out on the course, I have more control which equals lower scores. Middies hold a line longer and will go almost as far as a driver so it's a great disc to use, especially to stay in bounds on tight holes.


I whole-heartedly agree, the effective use of midrange discs signalled a major turning point in my game. I use a Wasp/Buzz combo instead but Max is right on about mid-range play.

Although recently...

I'd have to say the Banger for my putter. I've been draining them from a much longer distance than I have before!


I said the exact same thing to my regular playing buddies after I started putting and approaching with Bangers. It may just be a psychological effect, but I feel like I have better control. If I keep having these great results, I don't really care if it's all in my head!!

nanook

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... I don't really care if it's all in my head!!



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Putting is ALL in your head. If it works stick with it!!! Puting well is about pure confidence. Do WHATEVER it is that gives you the most confidence!!! :cool:

I cannot believe this thread has gone on for six pages and not one person has mentioned........ the........... MRV /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I mean not one other disc has had more pages devoted to it on this board. Jeeez.

Pro D Magnet

I'm torn between the Roc and the Wizard. I say the Roc because it is used on a large number of my shots because I don't have a big arm, so I'm often faced with a long approach shot; or I'll choose to throw the Roc off the tee for more control if it's a tight fairway.

I say the Wizard because it's the first putter that I've actually liked the way it feels in terms of both plastic and mold, though I'm excited to try the Warlock as well.

I guess I'd have to say Roc if it came down to just one. :D


sleepy

The Archangel improved my game far more than any other disc... mainly because it was the first golf disc (wham-o doesn't count) that I purchased.

As for discs that improved my game after my skill was already improved, I would say that the Star TL has been doing a fairly good job of that. It holds such a nice straight line that it is my fault if I put it off course.

Then again, I have a 166 Star Sidewinder that I use for backhands, rollers, near verticle releases and more. That disc has taught me a lot about angle of release.

For form I will say TL, for angles I will say Sidewinder.

Learning to throw mids and putters for distance helped me the most; which in turn made me discover the depedability and predictablity of the Roc AND helped me throw my drivers a little better.

The Roc!! I couldnt figure them out 2 years ago. Now, I swear by them...only mid mold in my bag.

Tough one....for Drives...My newest Championship Wraith.

For mid...either my ROC or my Coyote

My putts.....moved from a Magnet to a Banger-GT

I guess all that being said, my Banger-GT takes it...It feels GREAT in my hand.

Learning to throw mids and putters for distance helped me the most; which in turn made me discover the depedability and predictablity of the Roc AND helped me throw my drivers a little better.

The Roc!! I couldnt figure them out 2 years ago. Now, I swear by them...only mid mold in my bag.



Same thing happened to me. I thought, back then, the Buzzz was the way to go. But then I FOUND a broken in 8x KC Roc on hole #1, in a bush, on our local course. No name, no number ... after asking around for a couple of weeks, I claimed it. I could not believe how sweet this disc flew. Totally changed my game. I aquired a few more Rocs, and now I swear by them too.

However, learning to throw putters - near and far (Wiz, Aviars, Banger GT) is what has improved my game the most I think.

I would agree with you Boneman. Learning the many facets of putters improved my game the most.

The one I wrote "Go practice instead of spending time on here reading which jockstrap is the best for disc golf" on.

Rhyno & Demon G5i. Both work great for BH & FH.

Today it was the Brand new 172 gram Star Leopard.
This was my drive at Twin Park's Country Club (http://www.twinparkscountryclub.com/dgtemplate.htm) Parkhill #6 !!! :D
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/albertlirette/TwinParksHill6.jpg

Yummy ... Star Leopards are sweeet!

I threw a couple of new Discmania MD1's today, and I was very, very impressed. The "D" plastic is sweet, and the flight of the D is going to get better and better as it breaks in. Very impressed with this disc I was.
The MD1 SG is very nice too. Grrrripppppy. I threw a Star Shark in the same round, and thought the MD1 SG was very similar to the SShark.
These discmania discs are very nice. The MD1 D line is going in my bag fosho.

Years ago when I was struggling not to embarass myself in the ADV division, I took the advice of many of the players on here that seemed to know what they were talking about and learned to throw this somewhat clunky, quite stable disc called the Teebird. I could barely throw it farther than a mid and it was much slower than the other drivers I was throwing for distance. Despite my early struggles I kept with the disc. The disc was a Teebird TB, and it is the only thing I threw then that I still throw now except the Buzz, which had a long hiatus out of my bag. The Teebird is the best driver in the world, and it shines the most in poor weather or on new courses.

Yep. Even as an avid Discraft fan, I have yet to find a driver more versatile, more consistent, and more comfortable then a Teebird. I have been throwing the same Champion Teebird for over a year and a half, probably close to 2 years now. It is now starting to show signs of wear, where it will pull to the right more then I like it to in moderate head winds. I have tried, the talon and the reaper as suitable discraft replacements, but nothing is the same as a Teebird.

Learning to control and become accurate with this disc is one of the best things I did. It is also my side arm and overhand disc.

I too like the teebird alot (especially older blend DX) if you want discrafts disc most comparable to a teebird try an X Pred (i carry 2 or 3, the more beat they get the more like teebirds they fly).

However if you like the teebird, stick w/ the teebird.

probably the cyclone roc and aviar, the first discs that I had abilities with.