superberry
Jan 02 2007, 03:35 PM
What do you guys think about this? How many of you carry the same favorite disc, just in different weights? How many of you carry all different types of discs, but all the same weight?

I've been thinking about my bag lately and what is the best combination of discs to have. With my speed and snap, I throw a 170g Crush very straight, with a little fade (RHBH). Just to be simple I'll refer only to my drivers - 170 Crush, 171 Surge, 169 Wraith, 171 Beast, and a heavy 175 Orc. The crush, surge, and wraith all fly similar, the beast is my turner, and Orc my fader. But I like the feel of the Surge best, so should I just go with a 175 for hyzers, 170 straight, and a 165 for anhyzers?

What is most common with other players? Which philosphy will yield more consistent performance? What do you prefer?

Same Disc / Different Weights
Different Discs / Similar Weights
or...
Different Discs / Different Weights for the most variance?

boredatwork
Jan 02 2007, 03:41 PM
I actually tend to stick to similar weights for whatever class of disc i will be throwing (mid, driver, putters). To vary stability I usually try to stick to the same mold, same weight, but different plastic. For example I have three Wraiths in the bag: DX for flippy distance, Beat Pro for straight or slight turn and a beat Star TeeRex for straight to hyzer shots, all are the same weight. I do the same with TeeBirds and Roc/Coyotes...

DreaminTree
Jan 02 2007, 03:44 PM
I carry two of each regular-use driver in my bag... I never really thought about it, but I have one around 165-170 and one at max weight for every mold. Firebird, Wraith, Teebird, Leopard. I find the max weight ones to be slightly more stable in most situations. There isnt a whole lot of difference though. Midranges and putters I throw all max weight.

EricJKopit
Jan 02 2007, 04:27 PM
From my experience, a 5g reduction in weight will not radically change the flight pattern of the disc. Yes, it will become somewhat less stable, but will not turn an overstable disc into an understable one. You'll have to drop the weight more to really see an effect. So your 175g-170g-165g set will probably not do what you want them to.

That being said, I think a combo of plastic-type and weight can really change the flight of a disc. For example, I throw Teebirds. A max weight Star TeeBird is way more overstable than a SE TeeBird at 165g.

Sometimes I will carry the same disc in different weights. But I think the differences are more from variations in molding more than anything else. For example, I was using two Star SLs for a while. The 167g was nicely stable, but the 164g was too understable. The 3g weight difference cannot explain this alone, I don't think...

Good subject though. I think we will find that most who carry several of the same disc have a new and a beat one.

-E

circle_2
Jan 02 2007, 04:33 PM
Good subject though. I think we will find that most who carry several of the same disc have a new and a beat one.


Sounds like a good subject for a poll...

bschweberger
Jan 02 2007, 06:38 PM
Same weights different discs, because when you pull thru for the rip lighter weights take less force on release, which in my opinion is harder variable to control when throwing.

oddgeir
Jan 02 2007, 07:25 PM
I have almost dropped the pro wraith 175, in favour of a star wraith 170, so to me, 5g is quite much. Even the S WR 172g is a lot different than the 175g. I use less weight to hurry on the beat-in-prosess.

Parkntwoputt
Jan 02 2007, 08:14 PM
Pretty much stick with same weights different discs.

However I have a 178g stable Z-buzzz for straight shots, and a beat up 173g Z-buzzz for turnover shots.

Drew32
Jan 02 2007, 10:40 PM
Most of my discs are max weight
sept my vikings
I have a 171 for hyzer flips and a 174 for long turnovers that I need a fade at the end.
also a 172 Beast that I use for short flick shots that require low power but that I need to blast throw bushes and other garbage.

superberry
Jan 03 2007, 10:28 AM
Manufacturers strive for consistent molding of their discs (Discraft just pulled the Torq because of this), but I do know there are a lot a variations. Either way, I have definitely found that dropping just 5 grams (sometimes even 2-3g) will make it much less stable, and I will totally turn a disc over more. On the other hand, a 175 RoadRunner may not be a whole lot more stable than a 170 RR.

I do agree that plastic type plays a large role, but I didn't figure that into my question because I only throw Z or Champion. DX is for my kids, and I don't care for higher priced/less durable Star/ESP.

My most used drive technique is a 2 finger. If I use 4 fingers, I definitely have to use max weight to keep from turning over, but that's a separate disc in my bag. I strive for straight drives and accuracy, which is why I have backed down to a 170g Crush, 171 Surge, and also a 168 Wraith that I lost, but occasionally I want the hard left or hard right - that's kinda where I'm going with my question on different discs, or different weights.

thatdirtykid
Jan 03 2007, 01:27 PM
Different molds for turnovers and hyzers would be a good idea, I dont see the purpose of carrying a Surge and a Wraith, they are very similar, and the Crush is not that far off. (i perfer the crush out of the three).
However if you cant throw with a 4 finger power grip, it sounds like you are likely rolling your wrist, or have a different tecnique flaw.

nanook
Jan 03 2007, 01:29 PM
My choice is same weights, different discs. I try to get all of my discs in a small weight range: drivers 166-168g, midranges 174-176g, and putters 172-174g. I have found that for me there is a BIG difference between a 165g ESP Surge and one at 170g.

nanook

superberry
Jan 03 2007, 03:05 PM
Maybe I am rolling my wrist, but what I am saying is that I have som much spin and snap that I turn discs over waaaay too much with a 4 finger grip. Isn't that the case with most power throwers? Isn't that why they make the Max, Firebird, Monster, etc?

abee1010
Jan 03 2007, 03:31 PM
Have you tried throwing your 4 finger grip on more of a hyzer line?

If you have problems with the disc flipping from too much power, then tilting the disc down to facilitate more of a hyzer release would be a sensible adjustment...

I have gradually had to move my entire throwing style to more of a hyzer release as I continue to develop more and more power through practicing...

nanook
Jan 03 2007, 06:04 PM
Have you tried throwing your 4 finger grip on more of a hyzer line?

If you have problems with the disc flipping from too much power, then tilting the disc down to facilitate more of a hyzer release would be a sensible adjustment...

I have gradually had to move my entire throwing style to more of a hyzer release as I continue to develop more and more power through practicing...

Good suggestion, I have experienced the same thing. I also have to exaggerate it even more when I travel out of Colorado and play at lower altitudes...

nanook

quickdisc
Jan 03 2007, 06:14 PM
Have you tried throwing your 4 finger grip on more of a hyzer line?

If you have problems with the disc flipping from too much power, then tilting the disc down to facilitate more of a hyzer release would be a sensible adjustment...

I have gradually had to move my entire throwing style to more of a hyzer release as I continue to develop more and more power through practicing...


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