Well we ran the bead less Wizard today.
It feels so sweeet in your hand as the bottom non bead is so smoooth, the disc comes out of your hand very clean.
The stability of the discs is not exactly what we were looking for as it is not "UNderstable" but more DEAD STRAIGHT STABLE.
It is a little faster than the Wizard and it fades more like a broken in Wizard right out of the box. It also fades at a differnt point when thrown very hard off the tee.
For the most part there is not much difference than the Wizard for shots less than 50 feet except it doesnt have the bead.
the warlock will become a turnover disc a lot easier than a Wizard because it does not have the bead.
We are going to call this disc the Warlock not the Magic and will work on the Magic pretty soon and it will be understable for sure.
There are a few things we can do to make the Magic understable and kepp all 3 feeling the same in your hand. This disc ( The Warlock) feels so sweet and flies so true I would hate to not release it just because it isnt understable.

I would think that the 3 together, Wizard, Warlock and Magic will compliment each other nicely!

We are waiting until after the 1st of the year to get our new discs PDGA approved!!

I'm diggin the Wizard I recently picked up. I'd love to try a beadless one - do you only send protos to your retailers and team members? I could pimp them to the club up here.

Make sure you get some of the new ones in Ron Robertson's hands, he will bring those little jewels down to Tulsa for a test run.

I would love to try the beadless. The original wizzard has won me a lot of $$ in matches the past year. ;)

the Warlock....super cool name.

How many of them were ran?

Dave, since you've got a chance to try it out, what's it like to throw with a slight annie from 60+? That's normally how I chose to run at putts of that length, and I used a pretty beat up SS for those shots. I chose this disc over my normal putter mainly because I don't have to throw the SS very hard to get it to hold the line to the basket. Can the warlock get the distance and line of a beat up wizard without throwing it super hard?

Are you planning a non-gyrosopic "10-meter" version of the Wizard, as well?

Chirs, that throw is probaly what its best for, it has sligtly more glide and is easy to turn over out of the hand,, It just doesnt flip so easy from a hyzer realease, ( at leats not when new)
I need to get one broken it fast to see how it works then..
Veagan, The Wizard and the Warlock are bot pretty dang good from 10m already :D:D:D

Dave get them elves busy making those warlocks. Don't want to run short for Christmas. Soft wizards with Ice Bowl stamps for the Prairieland Putting Put-Down,

What is the plastic like in the first run?

"I'm going to attack the gazebo!" ... ... hehe.

I'll have to try this out. I never liked the stability of the Wizard.

i would love to have some in that black rubbery plastic. (hint hint) :D

Gongrats on the new disc. The Wizard is a great disc to build from. I like the proto-type plastic and those super soft with the dippy top. Sweet! Looking forward to trying the Warlock.

The Grateful Dead were/are my favorite band. They first called themselves "The Warlocks".

The first runs were all SUPER Glow and a medium/firm.
Not sure when we will be running the production runs.
Most likely early next week.

They should be available in all flexibilities including prototype style runs ( chalky) as well.

I just wanted to make sure the o mold was roking welll and it was.
We played with them a bit today in Centralia, they are pretty close to a wizard for putting but like I said without the bead.

I would but the flight and feel close to a Challenger, but I havent felt any challnegrs this firm.

We could try for a softer domier run that could make them flip a bit once we get them up and running in production.

I saw a really cool warlock image last night at this bar but my camera phone wouldnt work in the lihting.
I am going back to take a photo for agood starting point, but will still have an art contest for the Warlock and the Rage!

Thanks Dave! :cool:

I'm going to keep trying to beat up my SuperSoft Wizard to the point that it will turnover, but having the less-stable Warlock, and the understable Magic (or is it Mage?) to use as well sounds awesome. Now there definitely isn't a shot that a Gateway putter can't handle...the triple-threat!

Will you be running the Warlock and/or Magic in all your plastics, or just S ?


sleepy

The warlock will be ran in the same materials as the Wizard including E.

We wont be building the mold for the Magic until about february.
We have 25 discs now total from the Gateway-Quest line and some still need to get prototyped and in production.

After a few days with T the Warlocks and getting some beat up ( intentionally), they CAN become understable a lot sooner than a Wizard will.
Some runs of Wizard never want to flip regardles of how mcuh they get beat up.

The warlock will be ran in the same materials as the Wizard including E.


sweeeeeeeet


Some runs of Wizard never want to flip regardles of how mcuh they get beat up.


I'm becoming more and more aware of this. I seem to have some very stubborn wizards! :p


sleepy

I thought I would get this post in the right thread.


We are trying to decide what stamp to put on the Glow proto Warlocks. we are going to start an Art contest soon, but for now,,,,,
You guys have any suggestions on which of our current stampps to use?
Glow stamp?
Small arch?
Large arch?
Small Gateway prototype stamp?
G stamp?
Steal your face with dancing bears?
Jerry Garcia?
Frisbee Boy Incorporated?
A christamas stamp?
Just send them blank?

G Stamp

Small Arch! Or a Christmas Stamp (what does it even look like, anyways?)

Glow stamp please

xmas or small arch, or large arch. In fact what about a tree under an arch.

I vote for either the Jerry Garcia or the Steal Your Face/Dancing Bears stamps because the Grateful Dead were originally called The Warlocks...rather fitting if you ask me. :cool:


sleepy

I have had several people tell me that today

I NEED a stack of SYF Glow Warlocks!!!

NEED 'em!

God YEAH!

happy holidaze to all the Gateway crew.

:cool:

we decided on Steal you face with dancing bears

we decided on Steal you face with dancing bears


Hell yeah! :D

So...can I get one? :p ;)


sleepy

Yeah send me one down here in Tulsa...I ran the Sillwater Classic last September, and I got some Wizards from you...reve reviews. I have personally been putting with the Wizard for over half of my career. Love em'.

And what you described is like a wet dream for the serious Wizard thrower. All kinds of shots can be used with the Wizard. I drive, approach, putt, roll, sidearm, tomahawk.....find me a throw and I'll use a wizard!

In fact I will take two. :D

Will you send me a PM?

Already called justin 2 days ago, should have about 15 coming my way ;)

Dave - get my pm?

Where can I get some of these?

To get some of the new Warlock you can get them direct from Gateway

Call Justin Bunnel at the shop :

314-487-5204

or keep an eye out for other online vendors that carry a wide range of gateway/quest discs such as sunkingdiscs

we should be running the Warlock again tomorrow and will try and get some softer ones ran. The glow are a medium firm.
We were going to wait until after the 1st to start shipping them out, but it looks like some players dont want to wait.

Dave, I'll be driving through STL on my way to Arkansas for the holidays on Saturday. Will you be at the shop, because I'd love to pick up a few warlocks to mess around with over the break.

Chris you should have my number I am not sure if I will be down there but you could come by my house, are you d going down 44?
314 303 1488 call me

To get some of the new Warlock you can get them direct from Gateway

Call Justin Bunnel at the shop :

314-487-5204

or keep an eye out for other online vendors that carry a wide range of gateway/quest discs such as sunkingdiscs



Dont forget about <font color="red">OZZY </font>

Does he even answer the phone ever? :)

Right now we are really busy, you guys can always call me!

Does he even answer the phone ever? :)



After watching the magik that guy works with the hotstamps and anything artistic around there, I think he has a pass on the phone thing :p

We just ram some supper soft Warlocks.
For the omega freaks these should feel really close,and especially for those who are used to non beaded putters!!

What is the stamp going to be on the supersofts?

Can I get the Jerry stamp on these and on some Inferno's?
Thx

Dave, answer your phone!

Holy crap I got my warlocks in the mail 40 minutes ago, threw on the raincoat, turned on the back light and went out to putt. These are destructive!! They feel soo clean in the hand, this run is awesome for people who like classic aviars, cannot wait to get my hands on some of those supersofts for spin putts. Warlock = my new putter.

me = envious
i can't wait to get a couple of these...
how firm is the glow plastic? the mediumish glow wizards are my favorite putter and i'm sure i won't be disappointed. give us a couple more breadcrumbs about the feel and flexibility of the plastic, thanks!

its slighty firmer than the medium glow wizards.

I got out today and threw the soft and E Warlocks. After cooling all night what I thought were SS are more Soft than super, but still really tacky and the "S" are pretty flat.
Both the Soft and the E are noticeably less overstable then the 1st run of medium Glow.
They seem to fly a "TAD" bit faster then a wizard and worked really well for my slight nose up putts and 60-80 foot runs at the basket.
After about 30 or so drives, lay ups and putts I couldnt even tell in the release that I wasnt throwing a Wizard.

Because of the "no Bead" I think players will feel as though the Warlock has a shallower rim, but the rim depth is actually the exact same.
My gueess is the convex wing and bead of the Wizard makes your fingers travel farther to the flight plate, so in essence the Warlock is a tiny bit shallower or at least they feel that way in your hand.
If my orignal goal was to make a beadless wizard that flies pretty much the same as the beaded Wizard, I would say it was a great job.
But I was actually trying to make the Magic which was supposed to be more understable, but I'm POSITIVE the Warlock ( at least in the "S") will break in as the botton gets some wear and tear on them, to become understable for a nice turnover putter.

We might not not need the magic as much as I thought now that I have thrown the E and the Softer ones.

OK time for the ART CONTEST FOR THE WARLOCK THREAD!!!

Dave how many of the soft super soft and e were ran? I have always liked the softer wizards and should be getting my warlocks in some time soon if they didn't come today. I would like to get some of the soft but don't want to ask for to much as I got these coming. Would you like for me to send these back if they are to hard and wait for the softer ones? I still might like them though ill let you know when I get them.

Thanks
Justin

Dave-

Not sure you you gave me a call back this evening, my phone died. I understand things are probably busy.

To Everyone:

Have a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a great New Year!

Sa-weeeeet!

Dave...thank you! And just in time for Christmas, too.

Now if only I can wait long enough to get my hands on some after the team members and distributors get first dibs... ;)

/me paces around the room and waits patiently...


sleepy

We sent the team members and distributors The warlocks today.

There should be about 300 of them left,
I wonder why there is not any action on the art contest yet, no one feeling creative this holiday season????

I messed around a bit with warlocks today, and was very pleased with the results. I got some of the 175 glow, and compared them against my normal beat in soft 175 as well as some new 175 glow wizards. When throwing putts with a bit of hyzer from 30-35, the warlock flew very similar to my beat in wizard. They faded much later than my new glow wizards (no real surprise there).

Where they really made their presence known was in the long putt/approach game. I nailed quite a few 50+ footers today by just throwing level with a little snap. If I missed, they just stopped 15 ft past with very minimal fade. They fly great slightly nose up in this range. The only way I'd take such an aggressive shot with the wizard is to throw some sort of S line at it, or use my beat supersoft.

I then took some 70-80 ft approach shots in my yard where I had the basket off to the right, and needed 30 or so feet of left to right action to get to the pin. It took no power at all to get them to fly on a great line to the basket. Just a touch of annie on the throw with 10 ft of elevation; hit the chains twice with some other very nice looking shots. If I were to throw a wizard on that same line, I'd worry about putting too much power on it in order for it to hold the turnover.

I agree they're a bit faster than the wizard; I was shooting some 125-150 ft shots from up the street into my front yard (granted, its a bit downhill), but was overshooting the basket by 30-40 ft. The warlock would hold a hyzer angle, but would just keep going straight before cutting.

I've got one of my warlocks beating up kinda quick (I was throwing some high knife hyzers over the house, and caught some shingle; that may be the quickest way to break in base plastic I've ever seen), so I'll report back when it starts to turnover.

Oh, and Dave, the plastic you ran the E Warlocks in is money. One of those knife hyzers I through was 40-45 ft in the air, and landed on it's nose in the road. Not even a rash. That stuff is indestructible.

Did I leave some discs in your car yesterday?

We sent the team members and distributors The warlocks today.

There should be about 300 of them left,
I wonder why there is not any action on the art contest yet, no one feeling creative this holiday season????



Does that include me? :DDave keep running the plastic in the Orange Blurrs and Red Rages PLEASE! Everyone around here loves them to death.

Dave you will have some art coming from my teacher soon

Merry Xmas to our Gateway family.

Dave,
Send us down some Warlocks please!

As I'm not what one would call artistically inclined, I just thought I'd throw something out there...

Have you ever considered working with local high schools, offering schools plastic and/or a basket or two in exchange for offering the local students a chance to get their artwork on a disc? It would represent a great way to get disc golf introduced into local schools and, as you work a lot with the users of your plastic, a great chance to get it in more peoples hands. We have a youth minister here that is doing great work in introducing disc golf to the local high schools through both working with the schools in adding disc golf courses to parks and cross country courses and teaching it during phys-ed for a few week period.

The business man in me sees 2 baskets at a school as something that would introduce maybe 30 people per year to disc golf that might not ever try it. Figure of those 30 people, 5 decide to purchase gateway discs, and each purchases 4 discs, that's 20 discs per year that you might not have sold. If the profit were $3 per disc(which I suspect is a high estimate), it'd only take 8 years to cover the cost of a basket. If schools saw students using them, they might be likely to purchase baskets, which could lead to interscholastic competition.

Pat the art contest for through the schools is a great Idea, Bot at the high school and College level.
I love to partner up and If the art dpeartment can help the phys ed that would be awesoem.
EVERY single school from middle to high school in the ST Louis area plays disc golf at least one day out of the year and most for several.
We have 2 disc golf courses on middle schools and one at a private high school already.
There are several clloeges in the area with disc golf clubs and a few are working on installing disc golf courses on Campus.
Right now there are 18 disc golf courses in the St louis Television market and there will be 25 by mid summer.
We are launching a marketing campaign towards the local schools for our products, tying in with the art departments is such a great idea!

Thanks Pat!

Lots of art coming in but only a few that I would consider for te top 6 for the final voting contest.
This contest will go on for a few more weeks.

I have a friend that is very interested in doing artwork, I am going to talk to hiim... he is pretty good :)