What are your top ten Texas courses? I have limited exposure to anything north of Austin, and am just curious what courses you put in your top ten. Mine, in ascending proximity to my hometown:

Live Oak Park, Ingleside
West Guth, Corpus Christi
Veteran's Memorial, Beeville
Riverside DGC, Victoria
City Park, Live Oak
Circ Hill DGC, Wimberley
Rolling Meadow DGC, Wimberley
Twin Parks, Dripping Springs
Williamson County, Leander
Cameron East, Waco

Like I said, I haven't made it out much (esp. Houston/DFW), but want to know where to go when I get the time.

Veterans Park, Arlington
Z Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bicentennial, Crowley
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Lake Lewisville
Jimmy Porter, Carrollton

all of those are good or great courses in DFW

This list would be easier to produce if someone started doing PDGA Course Evaluations in Texas, the state with the most courses. So far, only four have been done and two are now gone from the San Saba site.

www.pdga.com/course/eval/course_eval_search.php (http://www.pdga.com/course/eval/course_eval_search.php)

Veterans Park, Arlington
Z Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bicentennial, Crowley
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Lake Lewisville
Jimmy Porter, Carrollton

all of those are good or great courses in DFW



Audobon, Bear Creek, Greenbelt and Fritz park also

WILCO

Veterans Park, Arlington
Z Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bicentennial, Crowley
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Lake Lewisville
Jimmy Porter, Carrollton

all of those are good or great courses in DFW



Audobon, Bear Creek, Greenbelt and Fritz park also



I forgot Audobon. Fritz is a great 9-hole course, but it's still a 9-hole course. Bear Creek and Greenbelt, while fun, I wouldn't put in the great course category.

Z BoaZZ
Jim Mazolla (Bayou)
Waco Beast
Wimberly Meadow
Wimberly Hill
Red Rock
The Wilmont
SWT Univ.
The Powell
Cameron West

This list would be easier to produce if someone started doing PDGA Course Evaluations in Texas, the state with the most courses. So far, only four have been done and two are now gone from the San Saba site.

www.pdga.com/course/eval/course_eval_search.php (http://www.pdga.com/course/eval/course_eval_search.php)



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Gee, Chuck, how does one become an evaluator?
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:)


My top ten:
Cameron East (still better than WilCo IMO)
WilCo (need to play a couple more times before it passes the bEast)
Tom Bass Tourney (wish it was permanent)
Live Oak (only wish it was finished and had individually defined courses)
Circle R Hill (I appreciate this course more now after Teams - 2nd time I've played it)
Circle R Meadow (the most scenic on this list...when the waterfall is running)
Tom Bass Wilmont (still the best everyday course in Houston)
Lindsey Park Blue (underplayed gem)
Veteran's (especially in the 24-hole layout)
Victoria (on the list only because it's a relic from pre-DX days and still relevant)


If I ever get to play Cedar Hill or Zboaz, I'm sure this list will change...

Riverside------Victoria
Wilco
Pioneer Park--------Nacadoches
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE OAAAAAAAAK
Parkshire
Rolling Meadows
Ingleside
The Beast
Pease
Circle C

A third course is waiting to be uploaded (though, it would not make anyones top 10...).

I am working on north and west Texas courses....hope to have at least Lubbock, Sweetwater, Big Spring, and San Angelo done next year. I have wanted to do Live Oak sometime, but its hard to decide which holes to do, how to divide the course into 2, etc. I will be in Houston for Christmas...may try to do a few down there if time/family allows. Who would I talk to about Tom Bass and Galvaston?

Gee, Chuck, how does one become an evaluator?



State Coordinators are in charge of the program, either doing the evals themselves or recruiting evaluators.

Veterans Park, Arlington
Z Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bicentennial, Crowley
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Lake Lewisville
Jimmy Porter, Carrollton

all of those are good or great courses in DFW



Audobon, Bear Creek, Greenbelt and Fritz park also




I think that there are other courses in Texas outside the DFW area.

1. Cameron East (the beast)
2. Wimberley Circ Hill
3. Wimberley Rolling Meadow
4. Live Oak(skipping the front nine)
5. Wilco Park
6. Manor (if it had baskets it would be top three)
7. Riverside, Victoria
8. Red Rock
9. Bass Tourney Course
10. Z-Boaz

Veterans Park, Arlington
Z Boaz, Ft. Worth
Bicentennial, Crowley
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Lake Lewisville
Jimmy Porter, Carrollton

all of those are good or great courses in DFW



Audobon, Bear Creek, Greenbelt and Fritz park also




I think that there are other courses in Texas outside the DFW area.



The initial post said "Like I said, I haven't made it out much (esp. Houston/DFW), but want to know where to go when I get the time."

Try reading before you run your mouth.

You said that you didn't like Z-Boaz. :confused:

Little bit tourchy there. Maybee you should try playing some real courses in Texas. :p

A third course is waiting to be uploaded (though, it would not make anyones top 10...).

I am working on north and west Texas courses....hope to have at least Lubbock, Sweetwater, Big Spring, and San Angelo done next year. I have wanted to do Live Oak sometime, but its hard to decide which holes to do, how to divide the course into 2, etc. I will be in Houston for Christmas...may try to do a few down there if time/family allows. Who would I talk to about Tom Bass and Galvaston?



Jerry, try getting ahold of Nez or ChingLizard (Larry Kruse) on the HFDS website (http://www.hfds.org) about reviewing the Bass courses. As for Hitchcock (ie, Galveston), Jake Walsdorf is the primary contact there -- use the HFDS board to get ahold of him too, although I think changes are coming for it with the new South course getting approval from the county.

I agree about doing Live Oak....they need to hurry and get in all the holes and divide them up into everyday courses.

I am looking for evaluators from all regions of Texas.
I would prefer to have 2-3 from each geographical region so they can compare notes before submitting evaluations. The biggest interest so far has been from west Texas. A couple from Houston, Austin, or Galveston would be nice.

Rolling Meadow, Wimberly
Circle Hill, Wimberly
Lake Park, Lewisville
Old Settlers, Round Rock
Cameron East, Waco
Cameron West,Waco
Bicentennial, Crowley (I heard someone screwed it up)
Lorch Park, Cedar Hill
Pease Park, Austin
Audobon, Garland

I am looking for evaluators from all regions of Texas.
I would prefer to have 2-3 from each geographical region so they can compare notes before submitting evaluations. The biggest interest so far has been from west Texas. A couple from Houston, Austin, or Galveston would be nice.



Duke - you know our crew could get the entire metro plex quickly if we got on it. I think the majority of us all shoot each course in the area at least 1 time a year and we must be close to 30 courses just in DFW

It does sound like a good project for the OMB/YGB crew.

Top 10!!

1. Live Oak
2. Circle R
3. Tom Bass
4. Oak Meadows
5. Dripping Springs
6. Spring Valley(ball golf course)
7. San Marcos campus
8. Steeplechase Kyle
9. Snow Farm
10. Jim Mozola Memorial DGC (Bayou Course)best nine hole ever!!!

Like the worst, these are courses I love to play and will go out of my way to play them again.

Garland
Cedar Hill
Circle R Meadows
Moody's
Live Oak
Waco Cameron Park (I have not played the Beast yet)

Snow Farm and yet no Moody's? Burnt grass versus rolling green, night and day.

In no particular order:

Cirlce R meadows (Wimberely (Austin))
Z-Boaz (DFW)
Veteran's (DFW)
The Wilmont (Houston, The armpit of america) :D
McKenzie Park (Lubbock)
Audobon (DFW)
Old Settlers (original design) (Austin)
The Beaver Course (DFW)
Fritz (original 18 hole layout) (DFW)
Strawbale Fields Forever (San Saba)
Waco (east and west)
Moody's (RedRock (Austin))

That's the 12 or 13 best in my book

BTW,

ke'Ohana tops all of these, but it's not public or pay to play.

"ke'Ohana tops all of these, but it's not public or pay to play."
then what is it? It reads like there are several of you guys working on this course that is supposed to be great and beautiful. It is a completely private course, or is it a resort of some sort?

ke'Ohana is extremely private. It will be one of the top 3-5 courses in the history of DG when finished. Let's hope we all get to *experience* ke'Ohana one day.

Extremely private????? Like it only exists in your head or something.

Is this an astral projection course? :p

...funny how the "Top 10 Worst" thread has more than twice the posts as this one...hrmm...

In the interest of increasing the number of posts about stuff we like, here you go in no particular order:

1. Beast - Waco
2. Meadow/Hill - Wimberley
3. Live Oak (minus the first 9, of course it's probably underwater)
4. Moody's - Red Rock
5. Beaver - Cedar Hill
6. Wilco - Austin (sorry, what suburb is that? :o)
7. Tom Bass (tourney setup) - Houston
8. Pease Park - Austin
9. Z-Boaz - Ft. Worth
10. Parkshire - Dripping Springs

My picks are based on a combination of challenge, beauty, and, for the most part, a lack of pitch-and-putt style of play.

It's worth noting that I still have yet to play a handful of Texas' courses and besides, most people won't even see this because they will be on that other thread whining...

Is that Nelsons course???

ke'Ohana is extremely private. It will be one of the top 3-5 courses in the history of DG when finished. Let's hope we all get to *experience* ke'Ohana one day.



And until we get to, it should never be brought up for discussion. IMO, it's not a valid course for this exercise if no one gets to play it.

ke'Ohana is extremely private. It will be one of the top 3-5 courses in the history of DG when finished. Let's hope we all get to *experience* ke'Ohana one day.



And until we get to, it should never be brought up for discussion. IMO, it's not a valid course for this exercise if no one gets to play it.



....but there's 18 holes where you'd do a Bender face plant upon finishing.

It's a course in TX, that makes it valid.

Extremely private????? Like it only exists in your head or something.

Is this an astral projection course? :p



Meaning guard houses with gun carrying guards. :eek:

The kind of guards that keep you out, or the kind that keep you in?

ke'Ohana is a fairy tale . It only exists in the minds and hearts of those fortunate enough to be on SOMEBODY'S good graces. :D:p :eek: :D

Honestly , my belief is that the anonimity of this facility is simply priming the proverbial pump for a huge turn out when this place becomes available to play . Makes the investment look worth while the day the doors open.

Everybody wants what they cant have . Pat is one smart cookie.

thats what I am starting to think, maybe Austin should keep Moodys to ourself and not let the Keohana crew play;of course that would be Dave's call. :D

Regarding ke'Ohana:
Greg (DocB), i hear you completely. even as a designer i go onto the property when invited. coming from the DG world, i can share your sense of irony in thesituation. but as Parcells says "it is what it is". perhaps at some point more of us will get to see it in person. that would be cool for us.



Hopefully one day......

Moody's is awesome, no doubt. I haven't seen it in years though. Last time i was there it was only a year old and very rough around the edges. I bet it's really nice now.

ke'Ohana is about beauty, natural and man-made beauty. Think of shots being thrown over and around waterfalls, and along a sea wall, and real island greens (like #17 at Sawgrass on the PGA tour)

It does sound like a fairytale. :eek:

http://www.earthoffice.net/discgolf/keohana/1024/FC09P_8.jpg

Thanks for rubbing it in, John.

:p

Here's some more salt. :D

http://www.earthoffice.net/discgolf/keohana/

Here's some more salt. :D

http://www.earthoffice.net/discgolf/keohana/



Don't think I haven't gotten a little chubbed up at that site before today.

Is it kosher ?

the picture of the island hole was the nail in the coffin,maybe 1 day we can all get a chance at playing this course.just kidding about Moodys- Dave always welcomes golfers from out of state and local to play his events.

i wouldnt be surprised if that hole is also the most critcized, with the island pin being 1150 from the tee. it is theoretically possible to get a birdie 4, but you'll to have a flawless teeshot followed by a boomer in the field followed by an accurate up. anything less than three in a row will yield at best a par 5.

also, why put an island green at hte end of a par 5? those are traditionally used for par 3's. there was a design consideration involved here, as the pond was pretty much where it was. One of the overall goals was to show off the entire property, another was to use the exisitng contours and shapes of the land as God offered them to us. These consideration, and others, ultimately made breaking this one into two seperate holes very near impossible. this aspect was discussed from many angles.

the course might be too hard, dont really know yet. not cheap or lucky or cheesy. just too hard. especially for us who think it's only a great if ya shoot like 8 down or something. extensive efforts were made to follow published course design guidelines and standards, so i guess in some ways we are pushing the design limits to see if we can add to the growing list of true "championship" courses.

btw, ke'Ohana is not complete, so including it in a list is perhaps premature. then again, if you played it theres no reason you cant include it i guess. there's prolly merit to both ways of looking at it.

here's my Top Ten, in no particular order:

Tom Bass complex (pick any of the 2 regular or 3 states layouts, they all rock. i'd have a hard time to pick between the Tourney and the Wilmont)
Z Boas
Audubon
Moody's
Circle R (both courses make the list, but only one entry. if i could only play one, i would play the Meadow)
Pease Park
Waco (again, both courses could make it. i'd choose the Beast if i had to)
The Beaver at Cedar Hill
Live Oak (havent played it a long time, but i hear its even better)

i'll save my last spot for later cuz i have a really nasty cold and am sure i am forgetting somewhere incredible.

Where is this ke'Ohana?

That looks like a FRIGGIN SWEET Track!

When you say it is extremely private? What does it take to get on this track?

Where is this ke'Ohana?

That looks like a FRIGGIN SWEET Track!

When you say it is extremely private? What does it take to get on this track?



National Security clearance
Stool sample
secret hand shake
a C-Note for the guards
and of course a charming smile !

there is even a T1 speed dedicated line between the property and the caretakers house on adjoining land. motion sensitive security cams are viewable from several places on the prop as well as in the caretaker's house. no joke.

http://www.earthoffice.net/discgolf/keohana/1024/FC09P_8.jpg



Nice Screensaver! :cool:

The only way to impower a person who has a secret and won't tell, is through your own curiousity. If you don't care and don't pay any mind to this place, than you can just be happy with playing all the other new courses that are going in pretty soon. When people stop asking about this place and finally forget its even being built, they'll end up letting the cat out of the bag on their own. This is the third time I've heard about this place and I've forgotten about it both times before. You can only show the preview to a movie so many times before you have to pick a release date.

Where is this ke'Ohana?

That looks like a FRIGGIN SWEET Track!

When you say it is extremely private? What does it take to get on this track?



National Security clearance
Stool sample
secret hand shake
a C-Note for the guards
and of course a charming smile !



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Geoffrey- that is PRICELESS!
Still laughing! :D:D:D

i wouldnt be surprised if that hole is also the most critcized, with the island pin being 1150 from the tee. it is theoretically possible to get a birdie 4, but you'll to have a flawless teeshot followed by a boomer in the field followed by an accurate up. anything less than three in a row will yield at best a par 5.

also, why put an island green at hte end of a par 5? those are traditionally used for par 3's. there was a design consideration involved here, as the pond was pretty much where it was. One of the overall goals was to show off the entire property, another was to use the exisitng contours and shapes of the land as God offered them to us. These consideration, and others, ultimately made breaking this one into two seperate holes very near impossible. this aspect was discussed from many angles.

the course might be too hard, dont really know yet. not cheap or lucky or cheesy. just too hard. especially for us who think it's only a great if ya shoot like 8 down or something. extensive efforts were made to follow published course design guidelines and standards, so i guess in some ways we are pushing the design limits to see if we can add to the growing list of true "championship" courses.

btw, ke'Ohana is not complete, so including it in a list is perhaps premature. then again, if you played it theres no reason you cant include it i guess. there's prolly merit to both ways of looking at it.

here's my Top Ten, in no particular order:

Tom Bass complex (pick any of the 2 regular or 3 states layouts, they all rock. i'd have a hard time to pick between the Tourney and the Wilmont)
Z Boas
Audubon
Moody's
Circle R (both courses make the list, but only one entry. if i could only play one, i would play the Meadow)
Pease Park
Waco (again, both courses could make it. i'd choose the Beast if i had to)
The Beaver at Cedar Hill
Live Oak (havent played it a long time, but i hear its even better)

i'll save my last spot for later cuz i have a really nasty cold and am sure i am forgetting somewhere incredible.



From the little info I have gathered I have come to one conclusion.... Ke'Ohana is probably going to be the standard by which disc golf courses are measured in the future. As pat stated in his above quote, it is probably too hard. This will assist the evolution of disc golf for many years to come!Ke'Ohana- breeding better disc golfers since 200?.......

I am still not holding my breath! I will play this course , when people want me to play this course!

Sandalman Land - :D

Where is this ke'Ohana?

That looks like a FRIGGIN SWEET Track!

When you say it is extremely private? What does it take to get on this track?




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It's in the great state to the south of you! I'm not sure what it takes to get on this track. I was invited twice as a course design consultant, which was 2 more times than i expected to be invited.

ke'Ohana is a myth. You can photoshop anything these days.
:D
I will say this .... I did a little back tracking on the ke'Ohana thread last night , Pat has been working his arse off on this place . I will not say thanks for making a spectacular facility ( because i have never been there ) , but I will say thanks for ushering texas disc golf into the future. Just my opinion, but it appears this place will have not a rival for quite some time..

I am using reverse psychology from now on with ke'Ohana.

by the way, not even the DevilHawk (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Equipment&Number=460806&page=9&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=4) could break par at ke'Ohana!

by the way, not even the DevilHawk (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Equipment&Number=460806&page=9&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=4) could break par at ke'Ohana!



I don't know about that. The amount of spin produced with the DevilHawk created all 6 of the hurricanes that hit FL and the Gulf states in the 2004-5 season. That is one bad disc.

i hear ya, but i threw one on old hole 4 (new 17) at the Hana a couple months ago. it flew pretty good, and i got a 3 from the Golds. but the lake level went down another 2 feet while the disc was in the air!

i hear ya, but i threw one on old hole 4 (new 17) at the Hana a couple months ago. it flew pretty good, and i got a 3 from the Golds. but the lake level went down another 2 feet while the disc was in the air!



Something tells me this was the same day a gust of wind came up and air-bounced me right out of an ace run in North Carolina.

Something tells me this was the same day a gust of wind came up and air-bounced me right out of an ace run in North Carolina.



What are you doing over there with those mulleTTs? :D

What are you doing over there with those mulleTTs? :D



Trying to find out what all the hype was about. :D

i was negotiating with the Vietnamese to make a few thousand DevilHawks. i threw one to the west off of my roof so that they could get a good look at it and develop a quote.

man, now i need to apologize to the whole blessed country! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061205/ap_on_re_as/asia_storm)