It's supposed to be a less stable Surge. I do remember liking the feel of the DGA Pro plastic. Anyone throw one yet?

Yes and they go a LONG LONG WAY with no effort at all.........Oh and they are also GREAT rollers right out of the box!!!

They are sick for huge turnovers. I'd liken it to a beaten in wraith that doesn't have the annoying low speed super overstability. I haven't tried to roll it, yet, but it instantly gained a place in my bag by pushing out the wraith, which previously only contained innova discs. It made me want to try more DGA stuff, and the plastic feels awesome and seems to have durability close to that of star plastic.

We will have some soon with the Woodland Greens / Pro Worls 2007 hotstamp.

If you want to try more DGA stuff, check out the Tsunami. Great disc.

I have an unthrown first flight rogue. Swirly white, 172 or so. $13 shipped OBO.

Or if anyone wants to trade a heavy star wraith for the rogue, PM me.

If you want to try more DGA stuff, check out the Tsunami. Great disc.



I heard this Rogue was a faster Tsunami ?

It is faster than the Tsunami, but they are different in other ways also. The best comparison I can come up with would be that the Rogue is to the Tsunami what the Surge is to the Predator.

I've been getting huge distance (for me) with it.

The bottom wing of the Rogue is flat all the way across like a Wraith, SL, Beast Retool, Illusion, etc. It really felt like an SL because the wing is not as wide as a Wraith/Teerex.

wraith wing is not flat across the bottom. dx especially.

I just saw one of these today at the disc store, it feels and looks just like an SL. Sounds like it flies the same too, Must be good....
The lips on the dx wraiths are way more concave than the all the other types of plastic.

I finally picked one of these up yesterday. This purchase was based solely on the feel of the disc. The mold and plastic just felt incredible in my hand at the store. I bought a pink 174g first flight Rogue. I took it out for some distance reps today throwing it over a lake with a right shoulder slight tailwind. I had a Pro Starfire (broken in), First run Surge (broken in), and Star Orc to compare it with.

Results:This disc is HUGE! It was surprisingly stable with the tailwind and my first two shots with it never got nose down. Incredibly, even with the nose up release the Rogue glided about 400' to barely get across the lake. When I got into the groove I was getting the disc to flip up from slight hyzer and roll into a huge S turn with more turn than fade. Amazingly, as it moved left to right it really held its altitude and forward momentum. The be 1st run Surge is typically my longest disc. I was getting the same lines out of the Rogue and it was usually 10-15' further. The Rogue seemed to be faster and have more glide than either the Surge or the Orc, and it was definetely faster than the Pro Starfire, with comparable glide.

All in all, this disc booms out of the box like few others. I can't throw the Wraith or Teerex because I don't like the grip. This disc seems to be my speed 11 disc of choice so far. I will have to throw it some more and see what the break in period is like as well as trying it on some more lines--sounds like fun! I will throw it for a couple of weeks and report back.

All of a sudden half my bag is DGA. I like the Tsunami better than the Avenger or Predator, as it like a combination of the two. I even dropped the Z Storm for the Squall. The Squall is amazing.

There plastic is the best one on the market.

I do want to try a Rogue. I regret getting rid of my Surges.

Somebody should ask Keith about the DGA discs...

I've been crushing the Rogue consistently further than any disc I've ever thrown. It is at the top of the ladder right now in terms of speed and glide. The Pro Wraith is the only other disc in its class right now imo. People should really give this disc a try.

I've been crushing the Rogue consistently further than any disc I've ever thrown. It is at the top of the ladder right now in terms of speed and glide. The Pro Wraith is the only other disc in its class right now imo. People should really give this disc a try.



I am getting one...

I do not think the last Pro Wraith I bought was worth a poop.

The first run discs were super fast. They were 30' further than a Star or CFR. The new one I bought was no longer than my Teerex.

You are right, the wing is smaller than the Wraith/TeeRex, and is more like a Pro Starfire.... It is good to see the manufacturers working with smaller wings (SOLF, SOLS, Rogue) instead of going the other way.

So I picked up a Rogue.

Should be very easy to throw far for most people. Should be a winner for DGA.

Doesn't really out distance my Star Valks, though. I can make it fly on a similar line as my Valks. Out of the the box it was Sidewinder understable. A few tweaks and it was S curving nicely.

So I picked up a Rogue.

Should be very easy to throw far for most people. Should be a winner for DGA.

Doesn't really out distance my Star Valks, though. I can make it fly on a similar line as my Valks. Out of the the box it was Sidewinder understable. A few tweaks and it was S curving nicely.



What weight and color did you get? The Rogue is much faster than a Star Valk, but that speed is only a bonus if your throw is fast enough to make it work. The Sidewinder too is a slower disc, so it may be the same as the Rogue at some speeds, but as the Sidewinder goes faster it becomes more and more understable. The Rogue has some flip, but can handle a lot more power and stay stable (faster, wider rim). What color and weight are you throwing, and how far are you throwing?

What color and weight are you throwing, and how far are you throwing?



Considering it was 52 degrees yesterday, I was pretty happy stacking Valks at 400' (I have my own marked and tape measured field). Ever since it got cold the distances have been getting shorter (the air density is much higher than in the summer).

So I was throwing the Rogue 400' also.

Normally I can throw my TeeRexs out to 440'-450'. I have summer throws closer to 500'.

I was throwing in about a 3 MPH right to left wind.

So far I like the fact that it is very easy to throw and has no fade out to speak of (like a Star Valk). 400' is not bad for three throws... The first throw went 350' forward and 200' right like a Super Sidewinder.

What color and weight are you throwing, and how far are you throwing?



Considering it was 52 degrees yesterday, I was pretty happy stacking Valks at 400' (I have my own marked and tape measured field). Ever since it got cold the distances have been getting shorter (the air density is much higher than in the summer).

So I was throwing the Rogue 400' also.

Normally I can throw my TeeRexs out to 440'-450'. I have summer throws closer to 500'.

I was throwing in about a 3 MPH right to left wind.

So far I like the fact that it is very easy to throw and has no fade out to speak of (like a Star Valk). 400' is not bad for three throws... The first throw went 350' forward and 200' right like a Super Sidewinder.



Color and weight? If you want a beefier one, try to get a white 174. I can't imagine a Teerex being longer than a Rogue, being so stable and without the glide. Maybe a Wraith, but Teerex is bizarre. Different discs fly differently for different people.

Color and weight? If you want a beefier one, try to get a white 174. I can't imagine a Teerex being longer than a Rogue, being so stable and without the glide. Maybe a Wraith, but Teerex is bizarre. Different discs fly differently for different people.



Mine is a white 172.

My TeeRexs fly like straighter Star Wraiths after they are broken in.

The Rogue can be thrown on a more real S curve line like a Valk than a TeeRex, that's for sure.

So far, I have yet to get a crazy, stupid long drive with this thing (except if you count right hand distance---which has been as much 200' offline with 350ish forward distance). It will just be a matter of converting that right hand glide to forward glide).

Right now I would have to say it flies like a Star Sidewinder.

Though I have not thrown the Star Sidewinder a whole lot, I have had Champion Sidewinders in my bag and have quite a bit of experience with them. The Star did not seem that different to me. Having said that, the Sidewinder was never a distance player for me. My friend Ron sometimes throws Sidewinders really hyzer for big D. The line that a Sidewinder takes to get 450' is pretty dramatic. It must be thrown with a lot of hyzer and it must be given some considerable height, because the Sidewinder is rather slow compared to wider rimmed drivers. It also takes a lot bigger S curve to get the Sidewinder that far. The bottom line is this: If the Rogue is flying like a Sidewinder for you, you are not getting the nose down and forward flight to take advantage of the considerable speed advantage that the Rogue offers over the Sidewinder. Try keeping it a little lower perhaps. The Rogue has a ton of glide and lift, so when you really crank on it with hyzer, you need to account for the lift it is going to get. I achieve this with an air bounce type throw where I am throw with hyzer, hard, almost at the ground and the natural lift of the disc brings it up and online. I have only had to give my Rogue the amount of hyzer for this type of throw when driving it into a headwind. Otherwise, I just crush it with a touch of hyzer and it flips up, over, and back. The disc is fast, but the lateral movement of the disc through its line is slow because it is gliding forward so much simultaneously.

OK.

I have never thrown a Sidewinder 450' that I know of. I have thrown a Sidewinder 400' a lot.

It does seem very similar to a Pro Starfire.

Like I said will keep playing with it. Love the feel!!!

Does color make any Difference ? Like White vs. Orange ?

Try keeping it a little lower perhaps. The Rogue has a ton of glide and lift, so when you really crank on it with hyzer, you need to account for the lift it is going to get. I achieve this with an air bounce type throw where I am throw with hyzer, hard, almost at the ground and the natural lift of the disc brings it up and online.



I am keen to try this... makes a lot of sense...

Threw one for the first time this weekend. Hard to give a good accounting due to 20+ mph winds. I did notice that it is quite flippy but did glide a long way and seems quite fast. Got to get it out in a field with lighter winds to decide if its a keeper or not.

I finally picked one of these up yesterday. This purchase was based solely on the feel of the disc. The mold and plastic just felt incredible in my hand at the store. I bought a pink 174g first flight Rogue.

This disc seems to be my speed 11 disc of choice so far. I will have to throw it some more and see what the break in period is like as well as trying it on some more lines--sounds like fun! I will throw it for a couple of weeks and report back.



That Rogue has been my max D driver of choice since I bought it. It has broken in slightly in flight making it glide a bit more. I have nailed some trees, but so far I've kept it off the concrete. The only visible marks on the disc are the whorls my thumb has left when ripping the disc out of my hand. It is the longest, most controllable max D driver I've ever thrown, period. Surge lovers need to give this one a shot.