circle_2
Oct 27 2006, 01:26 PM
Am curious as to why we are not required to sign/initial our scorecards...? 'Some' accountability would be established by notating the tabulations...making responsible parties more involved...and, well, more accountable!

anita
Oct 27 2006, 01:33 PM
You are required to sign the card. If you don't there isn't any penalty. However, if you don't sign, you accept the score as written and have to take any penalty if something is wrong. If you sign it and there is a mistake.. you still get the penalty. So I really don't see how anyone IS NOT accountable for what's on the score card.



804.03E

"E. At the end of the round, each player shall sign his or her scorecard indicating that he or she attests to the accuracy of the score on each hole and the total score. If all the players of the group agree that a hole score was recorded in error, the score may be changed prior to the scorecard being turned in. Players whose scorecards are turned in unsigned accept responsibility for the scores reported."

gnduke
Oct 27 2006, 01:44 PM
I'd have to agree. You could not be more accountable for your score. The only thing initialling would do is let the TD know that you have seen your score without having to ask.

circle_2
Oct 27 2006, 01:47 PM
Am curious as to why we are not required to sign/initial our scorecards...? 'Some' <font color="red">more </font> accountability would be established by notating the tabulations...making responsible parties more involved...and, well, more accountable!



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gnduke
Oct 27 2006, 02:01 PM
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. :cool:

Merriam-Webster says:
ac�count�able
Pronunciation: &-'kaun-t&-b&l
Function: adjective
1 : LIABLE <accountable for the burglary>
2 : obliged to accept responsibility <the bank accountable for payment of the check> �ac�count�abil�i�ty /&-"kaun-t&-'bi-l&-tE/ noun

Players have the same level of accountability (liability) whether they sign a card or not.
Do you mean verified a involvement or more active interest ?

circle_2
Oct 27 2006, 02:42 PM
Schumantickschs...

Why NOT sign a scorecard? If the rules were changed from signing to NOT signing...why? The spirit of the rules and the underlying thinking behind rules' changes is pretty interesting (sometimes)... Am just curious, that's all. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

ck34
Oct 27 2006, 03:18 PM
In the past, not signing cards would hold up the processing of scorecards during lunch when they had to track down the player who hadn't signed or penalize them if they hadn't signed it after the allowed time. By not signing, the scores on the card are valid with no penalty to the player if they don't sign it unless they didn't pay attention and the person in their group adding up the scores messed up their score. If I turn in the card, I always get the approval from each player that their score is good even if they don't sign.

gnduke
Oct 27 2006, 04:37 PM
Schumantickschs...

Why NOT sign a scorecard? If the rules were changed from signing to NOT signing...why? The spirit of the rules and the underlying thinking behind rules' changes is pretty interesting (sometimes)... Am just curious, that's all. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Because I'm not going to chase down the player that had a bad round and walks off after the last hole without waiting for the scores to be added. I will always verify my score and that the total is written down properly. I will also do my best to verify the other scores on the card. What does having a signature on the card mean ?

bigchiz
Oct 30 2006, 06:07 PM
Players have the same level of accountability (obligation to accept responsibility) whether they sign a card or not.