We have ran about 800 Evolution Blurrs last week and will be sending it off for pdga approval, so we should have over 1500 ran by tomorrow ( I took the day off of production today)We will get some stamped and ready to ship ASAP!

The advancements weve recently made in new disc technology is being utilized throughout our lineup of current models, with the dimple technology soon to come on the Inferno-Dt as well as the sabre-Dt, Hybrid-Dt, Blaze-Dt and Demon-Dt.
We should also have a beadless Wizard under the tree for you by Christmas.

On too the Blurr;
The Blurr is an Illusion with a new top that will give it a continous dome like the Inferno.

We took out about 12 cubic CM out of the top side of the wing angling it straight down towards the nose from the shoulder, MAN DO THEY LOOK and FLY FAST.
The first 400 were a bit domey and about the same stability as an E Illusion. The 2nd batch were Flatter and more flexible with less distance between nose and bead, making them less overstable, much closer to what we had in mind with this new top for the Illusion.
Both runs were pink( there were a few test prototyype runs of yellow, grey and whiet, but nothing that was good enough for full retail sale).
The flexibility between the 2 runs of pink is noticably different, all of the runs from here on out will be geared towards the flatter pink ones.. The latest run will flip up flat pretty early in the flight with decent power and the speed glide ratio is WAY up there, so they stay flat for a long long time before hyzering out.
They will hold a long turnover if thrown nose down, its really controllable for such a fast disc.

Can I have Justin send me some out to test fly as well as a few for my tournament on Nov 4th??

Nope!

We will be sending a few to our sales reps and team members this week.
Mark,
Did you get your custom stamped glow Wizards yet?

Dave so I'm guess look for these closer to my Bday than the tournament this weekend or you think they might be here in time?

When we talked about them it really sounded like they are a good disc and can't wait to try them out.

No I did not get the glow wizards yet, if they have been sent hopefully I can expect them anyday now! :)

sweet blurrs cominig in the mail for me, nice. Maybe they will come with a bunch of s/m wizards and S blazes (the latter which was mising from my last shipment)?

Wllie does Justinknow you had something missing?

i dont think so but I'll make him aware tommorow.

The blurrs are stamped and ready to ship,
Think of it as a ( hot young co-ed) that is slightly broken in and "available" I mean an E Illusion :D
BTW they are hot pink :cool:

Finally...a hot pink disc from Gateway. I love throwing pink discs. It's always so much fun to razz the guys in your group that your pink disc just waved as it flew by theirs. :D

Plus, I have a pink wizard in the bag too.

Oh I forgot we did run some orange ( maybe 100) for those too masuline or not that in touch with their feminine side ;)

Can't wait to have these disc. Is there anyway we can get 1 pink and 1 orange?

dang i just got a box. these came out right in time for me to miss em. any chance of me getting a couple of these soon?

Should be coming to the OKIEopen with some, if not george, nikko or Justin will have them.

David?
Is the Blurr approved yet? Is it a new mold or a modified Illusion?

Is it a roller disc like the inferno?

Is it a roller disc like the inferno?



Wow I wouldn't call it a roller disc unless you are throwing 400+. So either you have an amazing arm and throw 400+ as a 902 player or you have really bad form because the inferno isn't THAT flippy.

I have a white 172 gm one that makes my sidewinder look overstable. Maybe I got a bad batch cuz I dont have a big arm. I max my buzz out at 915 FT.

I have a white 172 gm one that makes my sidewinder look overstable. Maybe I got a bad batch cuz I dont have a big arm. I max my buzz out at 915 FT.



You get 915FT with a BuZZ? I can't keep a sidewinder from flipping over so much that they would almost land upsidedown. Then again I can get a Inferno to go straight and I have a bit of torque on my throw.

Only time I ever use the inferno for a roller is with like 10+ mph head winds. From what it sounds like the Blurr is going to rock like the Inferno.

Is it a roller disc like the inferno?


Ive seen guys rolling on every kind of disc known to man :cool:
On a serious note;
There are a few runs of inferno that are less stable than others, they would be the ones that are softer and more translucent. I think there were only about 200 of these ran and none since the first week!
Any solid colored white one, black one or Red one should be pretty Straight. The inferno is the epitome of "straight Stable" Its not under or overstable and thats whyit goes so far.

Anyone with off axis rotation would probably flip an inferno and may need the Blurr, but I can take a beat Stingray and throw 10:00 nose up hyzer at 60% power 40 feet high and get well over 300 feet.

The blurr is more tee rexish/ firebirdish when comparing the disc to anything from Innova.
The Blurrs are extremely fast and pretty much like our E Illusions. The top is a little steeper from the nose and forms more of a continous dome like the Inferno.
They will fade left at the end of the flight like an illusion and also have more resitance to turn.
The Straight Glide pattern is longer and the fade is nowhere near as much.
we basically took about 12 cubic centimeters out of the rim( making it less gyroscopic than the Illusion) But still more than every disc out there. We took the shape off from the top side of the wing by adding the slope.
Maybe we can get a picture of the profile in this thread and on our site.


Should I have another contest for the art on the Blurr?

Should I have another contest for the art on the Blurr?



Not if there's a poll and the best artwork still isn't chosen.

come again?

Art like beauty is in th eye of the beholder.
How could a logo that gets over 50% of the vote in a field of 6 not be the clear cut winner, I thought it seemed pretty fair.

I got my 2 Blurr's in today and went to throw them. For the past 2-3 days the ground has been soaked so it was weird throwing in a soaking we football field. We also had 10mph gust when we threw.

A buddy of mine and myself both found the disc to be great. Weren't really able to keep it fliped over as long as I would have liked but surely thing its going to be a great disc on calmer days.

The lips on this disc are pretty interesting also.

Justin,
There are 2 runs, the pop tops are somewhat like an E Illusion.
You may need a small flexing but I wouldnt do it to much.

I received my two E-Blurr's yesterday as well. The Orange one is quite a bit stiffer than the pink one and was quite a bit more overstable compared to the pink one.

I took a brand new E-Illusion and these two out to the course for some testing and found that the blurr's flew very similar to the the E-Illusion. I would say the Illusion is a bit faster than the Blurr. But the Blurr didn't fade out as soon as the Illusion did. I need to give them a bit of flexing and then take them back out and try them again. I think after a little bit of breaking in, these things could be pure money. Luckily, I was able to test them in varying wind conditions yesterday (Headwind, Tailwind, Left to Right Crosswind and Right to Left Crosswind). I got the best flights out of the crosswinds. Tailwind made it fade out too quickly and the headwind made it turn over a bit too much. I would be more inclined to throw it into a headwind though rather than a tailwind.

Here's my initial flight characteristic breakdown of the disc:
Speed: 9
Turn: 0
Fade: 2
Glide: 4

What do you think Dave and Justing? Pretty close to that?

It s semmes like everytime we test them its either windy or rainy.
I'm pretty sure the flat pink ones are faster than most illusions, the fly similar to the real straight "s" Illusions.
I need ot get out and test them head to head.

I'm in a tournament this weekend and have been using the Blurr as my main driver. It is pretty windy so I like how it was doing during warm ups. Every time I have thrown it now it has been bringing me pars. I didn't even have to flex them any the first two throws out the car this morning hit a basketball goal. There is not a mark to be find on either one.

Mosly I'm using the orange one just have learned it more and trust it. I'm getting good distance with it and the disc is very consistant.

Currently I'm in 8th out of 19 only 4 strokes out of 2nd with 27 holes to go tomorrow.

Used the Blurr more today and it did bring me some birdies this time. My putting was a little better than yesterday but still not what it should have been. Missed way to many 25-30ft putts.

Still throwing the Orange one the most love it.

Went out again today with both of them as well. I gave both of them a bit of flexing. The Orange is just right. It does a nice s-curve now. The pink one is what I use for low canopy shots. These may replace my E-Illusions now.

Haven't thrown the Pink one enough to give good detail on what I think with it yet. I'm pretty sure that the Orange one is going to take the spot of my spirits just because I get extra distance with these and I know they will come back.

Still using the inferno for long s holes but mostly longer anyhyzer holes now.

I agree that the Inferno is flippy. Two of us ordered them in and neither one of us can keep the thing from flipping over and I don't flip much else unless I really try. Maybe the two new ones that I ordered will be a little straighter.

All that being said the thing fliiiiiieeeeeeesssss faaaaarrrrrr. It flies so much further than anything in my bag with so little effort. I just find that I really have to put some major hyzer angle on it to get it to fly straight.

How high are you throwing the infernos? I found out that both the Infernos and the Blurrs are 2 great disc when you give them air. My bag is getting lighter and lighter with all the new stuff. The Blurrs replaced my Spirits and Speed demons for the added fact I get about 40ft with just as much accuracy.

I agree that the Inferno is flippy. Two of us ordered them in and neither one of us can keep the thing from flipping over and I don't flip much else unless I really try. Maybe the two new ones that I ordered will be a little straighter.

All that being said the thing fliiiiiieeeeeeesssss faaaaarrrrrr. It flies so much further than anything in my bag with so little effort. I just find that I really have to put some major hyzer angle on it to get it to fly straight.



what stamps are on the infernos and are they solid white or a little translucent?

They were just plain white and just had the plain Gateway Inferno stamp on them. The seemed to be a pretty solid colour and not translucent at all.

I just ordered a couple of red ones from Marshall Street. What should I expect from this new batch of red?

As for throwing them with more height, I will have to try that and see if it gives them more time to come back around.

Thanks

The ones that I have that are a little more understable than the others are white that feel like S. I love these things though I put them high up in the air and just let them work the s curve on their own. There was a hole this weekend that was around 380 but the basket was between 2 oak trees. I was able to get the inferno over the tree and park the hole.

Mine is white with the stock stamp also.

Does it say S or E on the bottom?

E and it is chalky all the way around top of the rim


I'll have to get some black ones :cool:

E and it is chalky all the way around top of the rim


I'll have to get some black ones :cool:



The blacks aren't that much more overstable. BTW I have a decent amount of velocity and more torque then I would like but I can still make them fly fairly straight and keep them from flipping over too much with a power grip. If I need more stability I use my fork/accuracy grip.

I have more torque than I should too but the thing with these disc like I said just put them in the air. These disc just do it all on their own for me but if I don't get them high enough I will roll them. They are also a good roller.

Getting back to the blurr its what your looking for if you want it more overstable. This disc bombs and is more overstable than the inferno.

Got mine today, I was throwing them in about darkness so I cannot comment completely on the line, looks like the fly pretty straight and then fade somewhat less than an illusion, honestly the disc feels a lot like the discraft Pulse to me... I will have to see how it does in wind because the plastic and the flight is very similar to a straight spirit :) I really didnt notice a difference in the color of orange or pink, the orange might have flipped up flat a little better but thats about it.

I think the plastic on these things are sweet. The grip is perfect too. With yuo saying the orange flips up more that might be the reason I like it not sure. Didn't throw the pink that often. I did hit a basketball goal when I tried throwing over it. There was no damage to the disc though.

:D

I have all day tomorrow after I pick my car up (finally got the accident repairs done) so I will be throwing it a lot to give myself and the disc a workout...

Is this disc approved yet? Or is it in the approval process at least?

I dont like changing my bag up too much once I am set in what I throw but with the inferno covering ground I didnt have a disc for before its a good addition and I think with the Blurr I might stick with it if I do like it.

Love the discs

The one thing that I liked about the disc the most is I used it in a tournament so I could learn the disc and it worked. Had a lot of birdie shots with it but just couldn't pick them up. Fixed that though with the putting aiming higher now and its working. Back to the disc though I don't like changing my disc but when the inferno and blurr came out they both made my bag lighter so I had to.

where can you buy a blurr at?

You can call the shop or ask your local retailer to call the shop and oder some.
314 487 5204

Is there a reason Ive gotten no replies on my e-mails this week?

Cary,
Justin and I are driving to chicago today and back tomorrow, Ill call you on the way.

Blurrs available at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com/item.cfm?itemid=44743)

What a sweet disc!!!

My favorite driver is the Illusion, both E & S, but the Blurr may take its place and was easier to hold. It flew very well with line drive shots and helixes. For bigger arms, this disc is easier to control than an Inferno with most of the distance.

Gateway's persistance is paying off and giving them a line-up with the range and quality comparable to that other company :D

My favorite driver is the Illusion, both E & S, but the Blurr may take its place and was easier to hold.



Can you please expound on this?

I like the grip on the blurr too.

Is the wing 'narrower' than the Illusion?

Blurrs available at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com/item.cfm?itemid=44743)



If you look at their pics you can see the wing that makes it so different.

is the Blur and/or Inferno available in S?

The Inferno is currently available in "S". And I would imagine that the Blurr will eventually be as well.

doc we are doing the Kanoli winter tour at rosey tomorrow morning at 10 come on out and You can check the Blur for yourself.

We took about 12 cubic Cm out of the rim mostly on the top of the wing.
It could give the impression that it is a bit shallower and could possibly fit somesones hand better because of this.

I hold discs really tight, rarely is there a gap on the flight plate between my thumb and palm, so it doesnt feel that different to me.
It does look a lot different though and seems to flip up some right out of the hand but doesnt flip all the way over so easy.
They respond to flexing much quicker than an E Illusion, so it doesnt take much. If they seem to overstable you may want to just let them break in by playing with them!!

The Illusions, Spirits Speed demon dt-s and now the Blurr and (Rage,coming soon)) are the 5 most gyroscopic discs on the market, besides the epic and possibly the disc winger.
We have learned that if a person is unable to reach enough rotation for these discs that they cannot be utilzed to their full potential, Taking 12 Cubic Cm out of the illusion on the new top above the wing for the blurr could really help out certain players who couldnt quite get the Illusions to bomg like the big arms.


There is a techincal piece I am working on with a guy out of Dallas that does mechanical engeneering with helicopters that should be able to explain certain aerodynamic phenomenons that take place during the flight of a disc.

We could possibly come up with something really big for new players to custom fit long straight drivers based on their max speed, rotation and preferred angle of release!

STAY TUNED!!!

can anyone compare flight notes btw the s and e versions of the inferno for me? s plastic is my absolute favourite all time plastic in a driver.

There were a very small number of S Infernos ran so far, less than 100.
I have only thrown 2 shots with one, it was faster and slightly overstable at the end of the flight.
They were red and pretty flat on top.
I would think a nice run of "S" with a dome similar to the E would really work well, but I'm not sure when we can get to running them.
Today they were running white E Scream-DT's and Pink control drivers in the Chicago plant and we were up there for some meetings.

Snap,
Do you have any plans for us to mold up some discs for you or is your mold builder and molder taken care of that for you up north?

I
ll be around all day tomorrow if you want to call 314 303 1488,,,,David

I threw the pink blurr a lot more yesterday to get used to it. For me the pink is more understable than the orange but I like them both the same. More I use these disc the more they surprise me.

Dave the guy I told you about thats going to travel with me more is bombing the blurrs and screams now.

Were going to play 2-3 rounds today so I will have more on the blurr I'm sure.

I threw the pink blurr a lot more yesterday to get used to it. For me the pink is more understable than the orange but I like them both the same. More I use these disc the more they surprise me.

Dave the guy I told you about thats going to travel with me more is bombing the blurrs and screams now.

Were going to play 2-3 rounds today so I will have more on the blurr I'm sure.

I threw the pink blurr a lot more yesterday to get used to it. For me the pink is more understable than the orange but I like them both the same. More I use these disc the more they surprise me.

Dave the guy I told you about thats going to travel with me more is bombing the blurrs and screams now.

Were going to play 2-3 rounds today so I will have more on the blurr I'm sure.

Dave,
We are building molds up here for the time being. We are still interested in building a relationship with Gateway though. I will have to put George in touch with you, as he is our main production guy and is the one you spoke with before. I'll tell him you'd like to hear from him. You can also reach him toll free at 1-888-785-3312. Looking forward to trying the inferno and blur in S. Any plans to run them in H? The H illusion bombs!

I got an orange E Blurr with an order of Wizards. I like it. Most of my drivers are Innova so that's all I can compare it to. Kind of like a firebird with a teebird dome. You can crank it pretty good on a low hard drive and it will fly flat , with a predictable fade at the end. I can't get quite the distance I do with a wraith or orc but that's probably apples to oranges since it's a more stable disc. Definitely has a good feel in your hand. On a side note it's also a good thumber disc. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

One thing I noticed today between the pink and orange the pink flips out of a hyzer more for me. Love them both got pleanty of birdies with them in the 60 holes I played in past 2 days.

I should be calling on monday to get more so I can sell some, got some interst from people already.

I should be sending a payment in soon for the tournament I just ran.

Payments are good! :D

How did your glow event go?
I know some of those glow wizards were off the glow chart!!! :cool::cool::cool::cool:

it went alright, a couple factors out of our control so the turnout was about 10-15 less than expected. The stamp turned out great! I have a lot of left over minis that I am planning on sending back, hopefully thats alright

Mark,
We wound up finding 3 boxes of Glow Wizards, mostly medium to firm.
How are the blurrs doing for you?

I like the Blurrs a lot! They seem to penetrate into a wind better than an illusion. It will replace my beat in spirits, I will still have a new spirit for those really really windy days but the blurr seems to have a lot of use! I really am not attached to a certain color since the flight characteristics are not different enough.

I am really looking forward to the beadless wizard, the teedbird-like disc, and the more overstable inferno if that is still in the works. I think those will round out/complete the bag going into next year.

Keep the great discs coming, I will be hopefully carrying more plastic to sell next year

Are the blur and rage approved? I don't see them on the approved list?

We sent the Blurr's in for testing and it appears they were a bit too firm.
We will be running another batch in the morning that are a lot more flexible.
I had asked Jeff H for a photo of his testing equipment or maybe a video of his procedure but he has yet to send me anything!

Shanw have you thrown them yet?

Are the blur and rage approved? I don't see them on the approved list?



Rage :confused: :p

We sent the Blurr's in for testing and it appears they were a bit too firm.
We will be running another batch in the morning that are a lot more flexible.
I had asked Jeff H for a photo of his testing equipment or maybe a video of his procedure but he has yet to send me anything!

Shanw have you thrown them yet?



Jeff taps the discs against different objects in his home and bases his decision on the sounds produced. ;)

Are the blur and rage approved? I don't see them on the approved list?



Rage :confused: :p



Rage??? Info wanted :p?

We sent the Blurr's in for testing and it appears they were a bit too firm.

That is hard to believe both the Blurrs I got are super soft A lot less rigid than any of the z discraft plastic and softer than most of the Innova champ stuff.

I had asked Jeff H for a photo of his testing equipment or maybe a video of his procedure but he has yet to send me anything!

So the technical testing is kept away from the disc manufacturers?
I would think the testing process would normally be developed and monitored by a group that should include manufacturers.

:confused:

Shanw have you thrown them yet?

He said there ws an article in the 1994 disc golf journal I could refer to :confused:

Here is a copy of my email;
Jeff,

I would like to address the issue of the flexibility testing in relationship to the NEW polymers used for discs since this test was written( 1985??) that�s over 20 years ago and the polymers have changed quite a bit.

The original rule was written for TPO�s ( polyolefenic based materials) and not polyurethane and other thermo plastic elastomers that may be more flexible on impact but have a harder time flexing to a full 4�.

While a tpo will get easier to bend after the initial breaking point, a TPU will become harder to push as you go.

The example is that a tpo disc may take 22 lbs of pressure to get it too start bending, the 1st ,1� it only gets easier after that.

A Tpu may only take 10 lbs of pressure to get it to bend the 1st 1 � but apparently can go to 35lbs by the time you try to bend it 4�

(depending on the equipment) Do you have a photo or video of your testing equipment?



Is bending a disc 4� a realistic version of a safety test?

Wouldn�t the 1st 1-2� be a closer comparison to what happens if a disc were to hit someone?

What about rim config to flexibility.

BTW,
we ran some fairly flexible ones today and they are a rally flat and super FAST, the stability was similar to a domey S Illusion.
I sent 3 overnight ( morning delivery) to Jeff from the 600 we ran today, Actually I'm heading back down to run some Rages. They will end up around 167 or so, I may be able to get a small batch up to 175( they require near max weight), So I can send them off for testing tomorrow!
The rage is a Spirit with the same new top as the BLURR!!!
They fly pretty dang fast and are similar to a broken in Spirit!

mmm new discs.

Sounds like some good stuff, is there any way we can get a hold to some of those 10m bricks to test or some S Inferno's?

How is Quest coming along with the teebird like disc and the roc type disc? The more overstable inferno disc?

I might have to call justin if he didnt ship out the blurrs, wait for some rages :)

I didnt get back last night to run the Rages, but will put it in first thing this morning!

Just got a few blurrrs and rages yesterday. Gonna go test fly em 2day. Results to come.

Hey Todd!!
Is it warm enough in Wisconsin to test fly still?

If so How did it go?

Here in the South it is plenty warm enough to try to test fly the new Blurrs, After flexing the Blurr up it began to flip flat and fly straight. If I had to compare it to something I would say that it is similar to a beat in E spirit without the hard fade off. The one I was throwing was heavy, and I believe in the high 160's they could be money for me.

The plastic is some of the best E plastic made yet for durability and feel. I think the plastic is a little stiff though, but if you like that then this disc is for you.

The stiff ones were from the first run which were also al lot more overstable than what we are running now.
I have the Rgae mold in the nachine but there is a relay out, once we get it up and running again, we will have some rages and by the end of the week we should have the beadless wizard.

Man, we test fly discs in blizzards up here!!! Forgot the rage @ home, but the Blurr is awesome!!! Held a real nice line into a steady headwind for me. Hella fast too. It instantly found a place in my bag. I would say it's just slightly less stable than a brand new s-illusion. Prolly right along T-rex in terms of an innova comparison. I'll get out this week to huk those rages. Tonight I'm gonna try those glo Wizards @ our new tursday night glo league. They feel and look great! Keep the great discs coming man! I need to come down sometime here and hang out. TTYL Dave. :cool:

Im definitely going to have to get some of the new runs of the blurr because if they are a little less stable then they could be money.

Brian, David, and others,



Gateway recently resubmitted the Blurr for PDGA testing. The new disc samples passed all PDGA tests, so it has been added to the list of PDGA-approved discs. Test measurements are listed below.



Blurr

Outside diameter: 21.3 cm

Height: 1.7 cm

Rim depth: 1.1 cm

Rim thickness: 2.0 cm

Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm

Flexibility rating: 12.02 kg

Rim configuration rating: 28.00

Maximum weight allowed: 176.8 g





DISContinuously,

Jeff Homburg (#1025)

PDGA Technical Standards Chair


:cool::cool::D:cool::D

We have a Blurr stamp but may have a contest for some ne art. I will place a photo of the stamp up here for some fedabck

itd be hot if it was a blurred old school arch stamp... mmm old school arch stamp. Or if the word Blurr got more and more blurred as it went to the rr's so it looked like it was blurring itself.

Dave, I don't know if it's only a proto stamp, but I got some of the retooled Hybrids with an arch stamp that wasn't more than an inch and a half tall. I think that's one of my favorite stamps you've ever done, and I'd love to see it incorporated into more stamp designs. It's like Gateway's "mini star" stamp :).

I too like the arch stamps but some poeple are not found of St Louis so much. WE try not to use the arch stamps that often but enough so there are some around for players who want them.

We can alwaya stamp 25 diascs with whatever stamp we have on whatever discs we have unstamped.

I see people with photos on here ????
how can I get a picture of the new blurrs art on this thread.


a little help please :confused:

I have a pink blurr thats really soft. I turn it over a lot its my go to for anhyzers. Are the softer blurrs less stable?

I see people with photos on here ????
how can I get a picture of the new blurrs art on this thread.


a little help please :confused:



Have the artwork posted to a website, then either post the link or copy the url and use the image feature. below.

The 1st run of firm poppy topped Blurrs were really close to the Illusions but the softer ones are less overstable and more like a firebird (at least that what im told)
does your have a blurr stamp or Gateway prototype?

I ve only thrown a few Gateway disc and they are better than Discraft, but all I throw is Innova but that Speed Demon is Stupid!! This a slang term for crazy fast overstable disc, which is awsome, I think i need to get a few of these, good job guys.

Speed demon = A+

If I remember right, Gateway dosen't make the Speed Demon anymore or they changed the name on them.?.?.?.....I remember Jared saying something like that.

http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/blurr_disc.jpg
http://www.mbstuart.com/downloads/blurr_stamp.jpg

Thanks for posting the new Blurr stamp Mike.
The infernos and other discs from the contest you won went out out today.

I had a flurry of art come in for the Warlock this week.
we should have a good contest again.

:cool:

The one e-blurr that I have is an orange color and it is super stiff. Is this the type that was rejected because of being too stiff? But with a bit of flexing, it does do a nice hyzer flip. I threw it beside my e-illusions last night and it was about the same distance.

The 1st run of firm poppy topped Blurrs were really close to the Illusions but the softer ones are less overstable and more like a firebird (at least that what im told)
does your have a blurr stamp or Gateway prototype?



Mine says
evolution proline
"BLURR" by gateway

I wouldnt put them any where near a firebird i would saymore like a beast i turn mine over a lot I use mine for long turnover drives.

Wraithish to me... I love it

I would compare the HYBRID to the firebird for sure though

The original harder protos were more Teerexish for me

But in reality all of these discs may be like something else out there they in no way feel the same :) I would say the blurr is definately faster.

I really got out and test flew the Rage yesterday.
They are so controllable for an overstable disc.
Its like a spirit that a wider range of skill levels can throw.
It doesnt take as much rotation and velocity to get the rage to fly flat and the fade, while being quite a bit less overstable at the end, is still predictable.
I did have several drives that I powered long and flat that barely faded at all, but they were into the wind and low!
The Rage is also easier to turn over and have "S" out.
The S pattern is tighter than the Spirit which is what makes them more controllable at lower velocities.
I think Side arm throwers are really going to like the flight of the RAGE!!!

WARLOCK REPORT:
Production runs of the Warlock are starting within a week or so. The warlock ( beadles Wizard) should be ready for shipping within a few weeks. PLEASE check out our art contest for the chance to win $500 in merch!
(send warlock art to david@gdstour.com)

Most of our team players have had the Warlock prototypes for a few days now and the early reports are very positive.
I saw Chris Boro throw the Evolution Warlock all day and it was just so straight. The glide on the Warlocks seems a bit longer than the Wizard.

Dave I spent about an hour using 3 wizards and 3 warlocks just comparing them against each other. For me the warlocks have less glide than the wizards. Throwing them both from 150ft 200ft 70ft I fell the wizard is a disc I have more confidence in unless I need more fade and thats where I used the warlock. From 20ft 30ft and 40ft I was making more putts with the warlock they are both still hand in hand to which ones I'm going to throw.

I got 1 of the bright orange that look like hunting orange and I love the feel of it. Its super grippy and supersoft.

OK, I have to tell you I'm getting really confused with all the Gateway "new disc" reports. Seems that there are many very different opinions of how these discs fly. For instance, the Warlock was first reported to be less stable, with less fade than a Wizard. Now I read Justin saying they have more fade than a Wizard? The Inferno reports are all over the place. It's very confusing.
It would be very helpful to make a new flight chart showing how all the Gateway discs are supposed to be flying. There will, of course, be cases where they don't fly the way they are listed on a chart ... but to get some bearing on how they are designed to fly will be helpful.
I'm not saying anyone is wrong ... just want to know how ALL these new discs fit together in the Gateway lineup. Thanks.

i am excited to try the blurr. hopefully i can get my hands on one soon. everything i have read about them sounds like it will instantly fit in my bag. i got to test a warlock out for a few hours as a friend of mine had one and it is great!! i don't know if it will replace my wizards for putting but it will defiantly be my 200' and in disc. so straight and controllable it is perfect. keep it up.

Boneman I haven't gotten a lot of work with the Warlocks. That was the first consistent hour I worked with them. Before I just threw them around seeing what the bead being gone did for me. I putt with a fan grip so with the bead being gone it also feels like a better release. I also don�t have 1 beat in to have a good fell on it I would say I have done maybe 100-200 throws with them total to where the wizards I have done thousands of throws to know how they fly better also.

I would agree that the Warlock does not glide the same for me when putting, it drops faster. But for drives the Warlock is a Faster disc than the Wizard and tends to go longer. I can also hold an Anyhyzer or throw it dead flat easier than the wizard.

I see people complaining that the inferno is flippy and they claim that someone said they were supposed to be stable?? I never really saw that anywhere and still think the inferno flys as described... its got some high speed turn, and sure if your throwing it flat and super hard and maybe your form is not that great you will probably roll the thing easily.... throw it with hyzer is a different story, hyzers flate and straight for ever.

Its hard to make a flight chart for people because everyone can throw differently and one disc might not throw the same for each person. Not to mention those golfers that may not understand the lines you can put a disc on... or only have that one shot/line in their arsenal

the inferno took me a little time to figure out because i had the same problem. i had a whit one that beat in very quick and would flip easy. i have recently got a hold of a pink one and have tried powering down when throwing it. thrown wioth a little hyzer it will flip up and go straight. i have also learned how to use this disc for hyzer shots and finesse placement type shots. once i learned how to use it it surprises me every time i throw it.

I also think that the very early runs were not as durable as some of the later ones I have tried.

OK, I have to tell you I'm getting really confused with all the Gateway "new disc" reports. Seems that there are many very different opinions of how these discs fly. For instance, the Warlock was first reported to be less stable, with less fade than a Wizard. Now I read Justin saying they have more fade than a Wizard? The Inferno reports are all over the place. It's very confusing.
It would be very helpful to make a new flight chart showing how all the Gateway discs are supposed to be flying. There will, of course, be cases where they don't fly the way they are listed on a chart ... but to get some bearing on how they are designed to fly will be helpful.
I'm not saying anyone is wrong ... just want to know how ALL these new discs fit together in the Gateway lineup. Thanks.


Boneman.
there are always going to be runs of discs that fly different even by a player that knows how to test fly discs and can repeat shots that are similar in velocity rotation and trajectory.
The soft Pink Warlocks That Justin Main is talking about fly very different than the Glow that evry7one else got.
I dint even know we shipped anything out to our players but the Firm Glow.

We are going to develop a flight chart for 3 different power zones 200 ,300 and 350. the power zone is based on how far you can throw a putter without turbulence ( off axis rotation).

If you have a specific question about the flight of a specific disc I can give you the answer.
What would be your power factor? 200-300 or 350

If you look at the other 2 companies flight charts there are several discs that have almost the exact same rating but fly WAY different.

The Warlocks are just prototypes.
The infernos are made in Chicago and they are working on some quality control for the flight and durability of the disc. They are basically still prototypes as well.

I agree with what you are saying and we should be getting a new flight chart up and going as soon as our new website is launched. The best way for us to tell other about our discs is to compare them to other Gateway Discs like you said.

You can use the speed, glide resistance to turn and low speed fade numbers to kind of tell what a disc will do for you in theory, but the proof is only in the pudding! :D:confused: :D

Dave

When I got in the glow warlocks I was really liking the feel of them and the way they flew. They were a little to stiff though. I have always found the glow plastic to be to stiff for my liking. Right when you made the SS and E warlocks I asked Justin to send me 1 and I think they were made before the team disc went out. I asked him again for the softer ones after I found I liked the feel.

It's still going to be a complete toss up if I will drive with the Warlock or stick with the E wizard. I do feel that I'm going to use the Warlock a lot for approaches and hyzer shots. I don't think I can change out from the Wizard on putting though. After I posted I went and did about 30 minutes of putting from 40ft in and I'm still more confident with the Wizard and made a higher % with the Wizard.

I would agree that the Warlock does not glide the same for me when putting, it drops faster. But for drives the Warlock is a Faster disc than the Wizard and tends to go longer. I can also hold an Anyhyzer or throw it dead flat easier than the wizard.

I see people complaining that the inferno is flippy and they claim that someone said they were supposed to be stable?? I never really saw that anywhere and still think the inferno flys as described... its got some high speed turn, and sure if your throwing it flat and super hard and maybe your form is not that great you will probably roll the thing easily.... throw it with hyzer is a different story, hyzers flate and straight for ever.

Its hard to make a flight chart for people because everyone can throw differently and one disc might not throw the same for each person. Not to mention those golfers that may not understand the lines you can put a disc on... or only have that one shot/line in their arsenal



Hmm i push putt with hyzer straddle, and occassoinally spin putt and find that the firm glow warlock I have has much more glide, I think the warlock is noticebly less stable than a wizard for drives, and putts too. I love the firmness of the proto glows and they are super grippy, the ss werent as soft as other runs of ss but were still pretty soft. As far as the power rating, what do you do if you throw a consistent 325' wizard?

As far as the power rating, what do you do if you throw a consistent 325' wizard?



Throw a consistent 325' Warlock :D:D:D

Will I'm guessing you would be able to see the differences in the new flight chart and the discs characteristics would also fall between 300 and the 350 chart.
Most likely you will be using the 350 chart.
I guess the 3 charts could be for under 200, 200-300 and over 300!

Will I'm guessing you would be able to see the differences in the new flight chart and the discs characteristics would also fall between 300 and the 350 chart.
Most likely you will be using the 350 chart.
I guess the 3 charts could be for under 200, 200-300 and over 300!



Personally, I think a vast majority of am players throw their putters in the 250 range. At least, thats about as far as me and most of my friends can get the wizard out without some torque.

I think you a lot of rec players have never even tried to throw their Wizards or any putter off the tee,,,,, Boy do they not know what they are missing :confused: :D

When I ask a new player how far he can throw is putter they usually look at me weird and say,,,"why would I throw my putter off the tee?".

One of these courses here in IC is a older course that's pretty wooded and technical. It was where I learned to throw my putter (and where I really learned to throw), and I do get the occasional odd stare from a rec player who watches me. I just think to myself "man, that's 250 downhill tunnel and you don't want to be left or right...why would you throw a driver?" Regardless of how far you throw your putter off the tee, I think learning to throw it teaches you more about mechanics than any other disc.

When I ask a new player how far he can throw is putter they usually look at me weird and say,,,"why would I throw my putter off the tee?".



The best part is watching there face light up when they see Dave crush a wizard off the tee.

Q have you had a chance to use the warlocks yet?

absolutley. have had one in the bag since I got them. I was impressed how easy it was to transition putting duties to the Warlock. winter lends itself to trying a lot of different things :D

I really like the way they fly and the feel is great. I think I will see about having justin send me some softer ones...

Q we are waiting to send out anymore of the warlocks until we start our auto ship program, email me and I will send you the document to check out!

Dave, can anyone get into the autoship program? I havnt really looked into it at all.

Yes as long as you are a business or club
shoot me an email.
Brunners Gateway Direct sounds like a companies name to me :D

haha Yeah I will shoot you an email... Take care

Dave I sent you an email about that.

Played a round today, and finally got a hang of throwing one for approaches/long putts. It's an amazing disc to start on a slight anhyzer with a bit of snap and let it flatten and slightly fade into the basket. From 50, I only have to aim a foot on the left side of the basket to have a good run. Also, the glide keeps them up in the air for a while; I don't have to throw the disc too hard or too high for a good run. Man, you've really hit a home run with this thing.

I have heard nothing but great things about the Warlock from our sponsored players.
We are just getting ready for the production run when the plastic arrives at the end of next week.
they should hit the stores in the auto ship program as soon as the art contest is over which will be the week of the 22nd.

Dave if I don't do the Auto ship program will I have to wait the 2 weeks after to get the Warlocks?

Justin,

to throw no, to sell yes!

I just looked at my post and noticed I wasn't clear. In the program you talk about if your part of the program then they are shipped to you on that release date if not you have to wait 2 weeks later. When will I be able to have them for sale? On the 22nd or 2 weeks after? Because once I get enough for another order I was going to get some warlocks and Infernos.

Justin -

If your not in the autoship program it will be 2 weeks after the disc ships so its my assumption that you would have to wait 2 weeks after that date.

But all team members will not have to wait to get their discs to "throw"

Thanks mark.
In our effort to make the Auto ship program more attractive we may wait 3-4 weeks, but we would need at least 1500 to do so.

We are getting close to that number now so it should be that big of a deal.

1500 what? mmmm warlock is such a sick disc, need that in the prototype plastic for supergrippiness and milky white sabres back.

I know this is the blurr topic, but warlock discussion has picked up, but I have to know something.

A proto blurr has found it's way in to my bag, and I liked to so much that I found another as a back up. Have you heard how the production runs compare to the proto?

If it's been mentioned, I might have already read it and forgot.

The pink proto's are similar to the productions runs in my opinion. What color is your proto?

The one that I've been throwing is a pink one, but the spare I picked up is the color that's in my avatar.

the ones that are poppy on the top are more overstable than the flatter softer ones.
I would think that the one in the pictures may be the poppy tops that

I would agree with that for sure. The pink protos I have are a good deal more overstable than the production run flatter softer ones I have gotten.

I like both for different reasons.

With the smaller volume of the Blurr we will be ablt to use a wider range of polymers in the mold once we get it back on line and start running production runs in a few weeks.

I was throwing one of my orange blurrs this weekend thats the softer one and I was getting a lot more distance with it than I get with the proto

Yup the orange ones are $$$