anyone have experience with both in the different plastics? i am not relly interested in the dx leopard though. thx

Let's see.

The Pro Leopard gets flippy fast. The champ leopard has more resistance to turn, and also has more pronounced fade at the end of it's flight. I haven't thrown the star.

The sabre in S plastic breaks into a very straight flyer. Very little turn, almost no fade. It starts off with a bit of fade at the end. The E Sabre can be thrown harder, has more resistance to turn, but more pronounced fade.

I find that the sabre is a bit faster, and can go farther if given the height.

Leopard wins, and covers the spread.

The old pre-Champion plastic Pro candy Leopards are the ones. Nice turn, teeny-tiny fade, and stay that way for a long time, unlike the "new" Pro Leopards.

The old pre-Champion plastic Pro candy Leopards are the ones. Nice turn, teeny-tiny fade, and stay that way for a long time, unlike the "new" Pro Leopards.



......and the CE Leopards that still turn up on E-bay don't seem to ever change. Still throwing the same two I started throwing four years ago. :)

I used to throw CE Leopards, and found those to be very consistent. I just didn't list them since they aren't made anymore.
I have started playing a couse with very tight and long tunnel shots, and found the sabre has snuck it's way back into my bag.

The old pre-Champion plastic Pro candy Leopards are the ones. Nice turn, teeny-tiny fade, and stay that way for a long time, unlike the "new" Pro Leopards.



If you like the REAL "Pro Line" Leo's you will like the Stars.

Tried a few dozen throws w/ STAR. Too domey & flippy for my discerning palate.

how would pro plastic TL compare to a star leopard?

What colors were you throwing?

Tried a few dozen throws w/ STAR. Too domey & flippy for my discerning palate.



I think the Leo has a liTTle more glad.

I can settle this right now .....
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Throws the Leopard, enough said!

"its a LONG ROC"
Sarry Bhultz

Let's see.

The Pro Leopard gets flippy fast. The champ leopard has more resistance to turn, and also has more pronounced fade at the end of it's flight. I haven't thrown the star.

The sabre in S plastic breaks into a very straight flyer. Very little turn, almost no fade. It starts off with a bit of fade at the end. The E Sabre can be thrown harder, has more resistance to turn, but more pronounced fade.

I find that the sabre is a bit faster, and can go farther if given the height.



I agree with what he said and even though I never really threw the Leopard that much I can safely say that the Sabre is the one disc I could not find a replacement for if I were to have to throw Innova/Discraft. The new flat E ones I have are perfectly stright and i can get them up to 400'.

scooter, perhaps you can answer this sabre question for me...

I loved and still love the totally clear very bendy E Sabres that came out in the summer 05. Unfortunatly, the wooded course that I've started playing has tunnels just covered with leaves, and that pretty much eliminates those discs from being thrown. Do the new E sabres behave the way these do? I've got some old school E sabres, but they don't seem to fly the same when thrown at a lower trajectory.

"its a LONG ROC"
Sarry Bhultz



And the Sabre is a long element. :p

"its a LONG ROC"
Sarry Bhultz



And the Sabre is a long element. :p



More like a longer Wizard.

scooter, perhaps you can answer this sabre question for me...

I loved and still love the totally clear very bendy E Sabres that came out in the summer 05. Unfortunatly, the wooded course that I've started playing has tunnels just covered with leaves, and that pretty much eliminates those discs from being thrown. Do the new E sabres behave the way these do? I've got some old school E sabres, but they don't seem to fly the same when thrown at a lower trajectory.



What do you mean bendy? I have one that may be like you described as it is green, pretty grippy(a little chalky), and seems to have some S in it. Well these don't hole the best shape but I have had mine for almost a year and it is money on anhyzers down tunnels and when I want to throw low and straight up to about 320'. It is a little too flippy for me to throw hard and it is pretty much a midrange that can be throw a little lower.

I have a Green E one that is like my pink Blaze in that it is a little gummy and super durable. My blaze has benn with me for a year and 10 months (since I started throwing Gateway) and doesn't have a ding, scuff, or scratch in it. Basically straight urethayne.

The newest ones fly like the 1st one I talked about but are a little firmer and seem very durable. I don't like these as much though because they feel weird in my hand. I use a fork grip for almost every shot so if you powergrip it shouldn't be a problem.

How did you get flat and soft ones, the ones I got are hard and domey, I prefered the flat soft guys, oh geez.

They had a big run of them this summer.

I have several of the "old" pro line leopards and they are great plastic and great flight. Slow break-in.

Before I went to all Gateway I never had a driver that was this straight and dependable. The leopard I threw it in the proline plastic. Some times it would go straight and others it would turn off to the right. I have a sabre that has been in my bag since November of last year. It is a good roller disc now but when I give it height and don't power it the disc still flys 300ft straight.

scooter, perhaps you can answer this sabre question for me...

I loved and still love the totally clear very bendy E Sabres that came out in the summer 05. Unfortunatly, the wooded course that I've started playing has tunnels just covered with leaves, and that pretty much eliminates those discs from being thrown. Do the new E sabres behave the way these do? I've got some old school E sabres, but they don't seem to fly the same when thrown at a lower trajectory.



What do you mean bendy? I have one that may be like you described as it is green, pretty grippy(a little chalky), and seems to have some S in it. Well these don't hole the best shape but I have had mine for almost a year and it is money on anhyzers down tunnels and when I want to throw low and straight up to about 320'. It is a little too flippy for me to throw hard and it is pretty much a midrange that can be throw a little lower.

I have a Green E one that is like my pink Blaze in that it is a little gummy and super durable. My blaze has benn with me for a year and 10 months (since I started throwing Gateway) and doesn't have a ding, scuff, or scratch in it. Basically straight urethayne.

The newest ones fly like the 1st one I talked about but are a little firmer and seem very durable. I don't like these as much though because they feel weird in my hand. I use a fork grip for almost every shot so if you powergrip it shouldn't be a problem.



Thanks scooter. Well, I do use a fork grip, so it looks like I'll check out at the store when I go through St. Louis for Christmas. The clear ones were produced at the same time as some of the green ones too (I've got 1 green one). the clear are pretty much straight urethayne, just like you're describing. When I bought these sabres from the St. Louis store, I saw some blazes in the same plastic, but passed on them because I didn't really dig the blaze at the time.
Low and straight for 300ish is exactly what I'm looking for right now.

Most of the Sabres we have now feel pretty much the same and are really awesome.
The FX's are pretty beefy the rest have more resistance to turn than in the past and the same mount of fade as always and are still pretty darn straight.
The sabre is less gyroscopic than the leopard and it also gets a bit thicker out by the rim in the flight plate,.090 in the flight plate and up to 125 at the shoulder rioght before the rim ( similar to the Wizard which is .068 in the flight plate and .095 at the shoulder) This engeneering is a big reason Wizards and Sabres do not change that much in flight even with severe smacks into trees.
They E starts a bit more overstable than the S but soon get straight and Stay straight forever.

Not having thrown a leopard I cant really compare them first hand, but they seem to very quite a bit in stability from plastic to plastic.
Without much concave on the wing I would think they could flip quick for players with any off axis rotation.

Give Barry a broken in E spirit, an H Illusion, an Inferno, the Sabre, The Blaze, a few elements and a few Wizards and I bet he would still be pretty hard to beat! :D:D:D

This engeneering is a big reason Wizards and Sabres do not change that much in flight even with severe smacks into trees.



This is the main reason I depend on these 2 disc so much. They are super dependable and you know what they are going to do. I have hit a lot of trees in the past year with the sabre but I know I can still trust it.

The Wizards in my bag used to change a lot but since I went to St. Louis I got the wizards that feel the best for me.

How did you get flat and soft ones, the ones I got are hard and domey, I prefered the flat soft guys, oh geez.



Too Easy, I will pass this time !