The Arlington Disc Golf Association proudly presents the 2006 Veteran�s Park Open. This year will be a combined Pro/Am and we will have a limit on the field size per division*. All players will be playing 3 rounds of 24 holes each and then we will cut to a final nine holes. We are still in the process of determining final field sizes and where the cut is going to be so please be patient. Either before or after the final nine we will have Ace Golf in the Oaks for anyone who is interested in some really fun golf.

The field sizes are (until further notice) as follows:
Pro fields
MPO 25 players
MPM 15 players
FPO 10 players
MPG 10 players

Amateur Fields
MA1 30 players
MM1 15 players
MA2 15 players

Any amateur women that wish to play the event will be accommodated and their entry fee will be the same as the male divisions. If any women wish to sign up in the FPM or FPG division we will need a minimum of three to make that division, please check with Terry Toolen or Jason Chamberlain to see if that is a viable option.

Entry fees:
MPO $105
FPO $105
MPM $70
MPG $70
MA1 $60
MM1 $60
MA2 $45

The ace pot and Ace Golf are optional and will cost you $5 each on top of your entry fee. This will be an A-Tier for all Open divisions and a B-Tier for all amateur divisions. Please register early by http://titledisc.com, snail mail is ADGA P.O. box # 120927 Arlington, TX 76012 or with Terry or myself at the Sunday mini or wherever you see us. I really hope to have a great field this year and can�t wait to see some of you guys.

Jason Chamberlain 817-703-3926
Terry Toolen 817-690-1077






*Everything posted is subject to change without notice, especially divisions offered and their sizes!

I've sent all of the info to Ben at titledisc, hopefully we'll be up in the next day or so. Once again I apoligize for all of the slow moving info.

Expensive B-tier for Advanced

Well move up to pro and then it might be worth your money! :D

When you start playing Pro is when I start playing Pro :cool:

We're just padding the pro purse ;).

On a serious note, those are the same entry fees as last year. I know that some of the events lowered their fees this year but we chose ot too, hopefully it will reflect in the payout.

I will still be there ~~~~ It sux that the Advanced won't be playing VPO as an A-tier

Well then you got 23 years before I move up and thats just untill I move into masters!! Now if something happens I become a great golfer in there some how I might move up before that.

Now if something happens I become a great golfer in there some how I might move up before that.

Same thing goes for me.

Yeah right, move up

MPO 25 players???

Division 2004 2005 2006 (allocated)
MPO 32 38 25 ???
FPO 4 5 10
MPG 3 7 10
MA1 18 13 30 ???
MM1 3 4 10


The division with the best attendance gets less spots. Why not MPO = 30 & MA1 = 25? Alot of Advanced players have stepped up now that worlds is over.


where's the poker game at? i just got back from Vegas and I'm ready to lose some more money?

Now if something happens I become a great golfer in there some how I might move up before that.

Same thing goes for me.



Baggers :o

Wow, guys, that's kind of sad, really. I don't mean that in an insulting way. I know it's hard enough to run one big tournament, let alone two within a couple weekends apart. It's just that VPO use to be THE big tournament in Texas with a lot of touring pros attending. It was the first time I ever saw a staggered start ('96). It was cool watching everyone tee off from the pavilion. I just went to watch and hang out with Mr. Wilchek, Mr. Hudson & Mr. Lamont. I think that was the only year there were two courses. There was a temp course set up in a park down the street. I played '97-'00 and enjoyed a well run tournament every year. Anyway, I'm sorry to see that it's going to a single pro/am weekend with spit A/B. Especially since we already lost Waco. Hats of to you though, guys, for doing what you can to keep it alive.

From what I heard the Advanced division is gonna be limited to 15-20 player's so the MPO division will have more spot's.

Which I think is a horrible decision.

From what I heard the Advanced division is gonna be limited to 15-20 player's so the MPO division will have more spot's.

Which I think is a horrible decision.



We don't have a complaint department. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

From what I heard the Advanced division is gonna be limited to 15-20 player's so the MPO division will have more spot's.

Which I think is a horrible decision.



We don't have a complaint department. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I am not complaining ^$^%&!

All I said was I thought it was a horrible decision to take away spot's from Advanced......not complaining :mad:

From what I heard the Advanced division is gonna be limited to 15-20 player's so the MPO division will have more spot's.

Which I think is a horrible decision.



Young un's :D, no reading comprehension, as of this moment it is still undecided. My post was just regarding how we were leaning.

The problem is that VPO was one of the premiere events for the touring pros and the local pros alike, and we would like to keep it that way. This year we were faced with a decision on whether to combine the events or not, financially it just doesn't make sense for the club to basically pay for a high quality event two times within a month. We rent a golf cart, provide water coolers and ice, provide breakfast, lunch 1 day, etc. If you tally those costs up X2 it gets to be a fairly large figure and the club would rather be able to add that to the Pro purse. After all, most of the MA1 field (not to mention most of us playing this game) are all aspiring to be able to compete in the Open field, so why not cater to them, especially when it comes to a large event. I'd like to see VPO get back to the level it was at before I started playing DG, which means working hard on raisng sponsorship money, not treating tha AMS like cash cows, and showcasing the best players the sport has to offer.

And to the PM I just recieved:


Yes I realize that this event is just a few weeks away and NO I can not explain why it is not up on titledisc yet. The info has been sent I'm just waiting for them to list it.

The "indecision" that you speak of is due to more than one person having a say in how this tournament is ran and I promise you will be the 2nd to know ,after I get all of the answers. I am merely the ADGA internet prescence at this point, there is no need in personal attacks.

All I am trying to say is, I would not want to drive 3 or 4 hour's away and pay for gas, food, hotel and $60 to play against 15 people.

then play open.

Why pay $105 if I am not gonna accept cash?

Then move up, it's a larger field :D.

I'm just picking on you because you're the most vocal at this point. The sad fact is most AM's have not supported this event (sometimes justified), so why should we as a club go out of our way to support the AM field. I'm fully aware of the fact that we could make a pretty large profit from a big AM field (which is why we had seperate weekends, an easier way to add $$ to the pro purse), but if I (*****this is a personal opinion and should not reflect on the ADGA in any way******BTW I hate Vinnie Miller ;)) have a choice and the tournament can only be held on one weekend, therefore limiting the field sizes, I say cater to the pros and showcase the best of the best.

There are a lot of DG'ers out there that also play "ball" golf. How many of them would pay another $50 to be ableto play with VJ, Tiger or even Justin Leanord? Look at how many people played in the USDGC just for the experience (and I am not, in any way, comparing VPO to the greatest tourney in Disc Golf).

Why pay $105 if I am not gonna accept cash?



I thought there was trophy only?

Eliminate the MA2 division and give those spot's to the Pro division.?.?

C'mon Bubba, what are you going to do with your payout plastic? Sell it on Ebay?

Why play pro and decline the cash if I plan on going to AM World's next year?

Why play pro and decline the cash if I plan on going to AM World's next year?



Umm, maybe to play with better players so that you improve. It isn't all about payout.

You could play open and get in at the "trophy only" discount. It would probably help your game too.

I love it!
What year will players finally see the big picture.
I go to a P.G.A. tourney and the only ams,advance, rec I see are behind the ropes WATCHING. I did go to an A.G.A event and all the pros were behind the ropes.
VPO was decided to be one weekend.....be glad there are a few spots for the ams at all. Don't get me wrong....I agree there should be a venue for the am divisions ( I disagree Recs should be a division, thems guys that play for fun)

Eliminate the MA2 division and give those spot's to the Pro division.?.?



This is a good idea. If we're trying to showcase the best players, I can understand catering to the open division, but that division hasn't had a good turnout over the last few years either. Having just the "open" pro and "open" amateur divisions for men and women (and masters, grandmasters, etc. if enough demand) is probably the best way to fill the 120 spots. That's the way many A-Tiers do it in other parts of the country, especially when they only have one course with a few extra baskets added.

If we could ever get Titledisc up and see where the demand is, I bet it'd make the ADGA's decision a little easier!!!

do what V is saying get rid of the WRECK division :D

Why play pro and decline the cash if I plan on going to AM World's next year?


Is one am worlds title not enough for you????????
Do you wish to remain " amature "?
Why not take your game to the next level?

If we're trying to showcase the best players, I can understand catering to the open division, but that division hasn't had a good turnout over the last few years either



Pro turnout has been higher than Am turnout the last 2 years.

2005 - 67 vs 33
2004 - 56 vs 48

This year's VPO really is a great chance for the Ams to test the waters, learn and improve by taking advantage of the Trophy Only option. If they mix up the field the first round you'll also have the chance to play with some great players. I am pretty sure the US Champion, Barry Shultz, will be there as well as many World Ranked Pro Players. The VPO will be seeing the Top Three ranked Pro Women in World at this event. What an opportunity!

If non VPO playing Amateurs were dedicated to be there from start to finish each day, I would even consider taking a caddy as a walk and talk session on the game :)

It would be great to finally see non VPO playing AMs come out and follow the top cards and players. You would really be suprised how much you could learn from observation over not just playing for once. Remember when you throw a "practice round" you really are pretty limited to throwing 25 or so drives and 25 or so putts. All pros will tell you that really isn't considered "practice".

I like it....BEHIND THE ROPES

Why play pro and decline the cash if I plan on going to AM World's next year?



because it's good to test the water.

hey danny how many OKIES you bringing down with you?

don't know right now.

This year's VPO really is a great chance for the Ams to test the waters, learn and improve by taking advantage of the Trophy Only option. If they mix up the field the first round you'll also have the chance to play with some great players. I am pretty sure the US Champion, Barry Shultz, will be there as well as many World Ranked Pro Players. The VPO will be seeing the Top Three ranked Pro Women in World at this event. What an opportunity!

If non VPO playing Amateurs were dedicated to be there from start to finish each day, I would even consider taking a caddy as a walk and talk session on the game :)

It would be great to finally see non VPO playing AMs come out and follow the top cards and players. You would really be suprised how much you could learn from observation over not just playing for once. Remember when you throw a "practice round" you really are pretty limited to throwing 25 or so drives and 25 or so putts. All pros will tell you that really isn't considered "practice".



I will be pushing this @ Z-Boaz mini's. The gallery last year was pathetic! That needs to change. I will try my best to make this happen.

For Outlaws...I was able to give a basket to (Raffle) anyone in the gallery.
Gallery checked in with the T.D. to obtain a raffle ticket and did the give away at the awards.
Just another idea! :D

For Outlaws...I was able to give a basket to (Raffle) anyone in the gallery.
Gallery checked in with the T.D. to obtain a raffle ticket and did the give away at the awards.
Just another idea! :D


Vinnie, you must be sitting behind your crystal ball. I just sent Jason a P.M. telling him that I had a brand new basket that I was willing to put up for a gallery raffle.
Weird man! Great minds do think alike!

I am glad you are stepping up.....Players need to be more involved.....But great minds?.....I'll let Ginetta DISCribe my mind :D

Lee you are the man!



For Outlaws...I was able to give a basket to (Raffle) anyone in the gallery.
Gallery checked in with the T.D. to obtain a raffle ticket and did the give away at the awards.
Just another idea! :D


Vinnie, you must be sitting behind your crystal ball. I just sent Jason a P.M. telling him that I had a brand new basket that I was willing to put up for a gallery raffle.
Weird man! Great minds do think alike!

I am glad you are stepping up.....Players need to be more involved.....But great minds?.....I'll let Ginetta DISCribe my mind :D


ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE WILLING TO SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THE WRATH O' GINETTA????

Love ya' Ginetta!

Lee you are the man!




Somebody please tell my wife that :D

OK - Here is the beginning of the "wrath of Ginetta"... To all of you crying about VPO this year - BITE ME!!!! I don't recognize the main name on this thread who is crying. Little Okie boy, you need to be careful! I do not remember seeing your name on our volunteer / sponsor list EVER. Until you help sponosr this event, or even better, volunteer to staff, quit telling my club officers how they should run the event. Terry, Jason, and myself have made our decision. If you don't like your choices, stay away. It's that simple. We do everything we can to put on a enjoyable tournament every year, and I am getting quite tired of people acting like tired, crying, spoiled little kids!

Ginetta

Speaking of kids, why am i having more of them? I think i figured out what causes pregnancy. :eek:

I love you G!

Speaking of kids, why am i having more of them? I think i figured out what causes pregnancy. :eek:

I love you G!


The cause is Lamorhammy going over to your house when you're golfing. :D

OK - Here is the beginning of the "wrath of Ginetta"... To all of you crying about VPO this year - BITE ME!!!! I don't recognize the main name on this thread who is crying. Little Okie boy, you need to be careful! I do not remember seeing your name on our volunteer / sponsor list EVER. Until you help sponosr this event, or even better, volunteer to staff, quit telling my club officers how they should run the event. I am not telling anybody how to ran there dam tournament!!..all I said was from the beginning I thought limiting the Advanced division to 15-20 would be a horrible decision.... Terry, Jason, and myself have made our decision... If you don't like your choices, stay away. It's that simple. We do everything we can to put on a enjoyable tournament every year, and I am getting quite tired of people acting like tired, crying, spoiled little kids!......And the only reason I posted that was because Jason told me that is what he wanted to do...i thought that was a good idea ....so I posted it ~~eliminate MA2 @VPO Jason_Chamberlain 10/16/06 10:50 PM

Ginetta

I'll talk for G....... Thanks for your input.

Ginneta you got a smile out of me there.....I just love sparking that plug.
I know VPO is in good hands if Ginetta is already calling folks out.
All you A.D.G.A. members need to step up and give a hand.

Speaking of kids, why am i having more of them? I think i figured out what causes pregnancy. :eek:

I love you G!


The cause is Lamorhammy going over to your house when you're golfing. :D


LOL!
Does he bring over the hamster? Even better does the hamster come over in a cage , or " in " his persons :D:D

MYHERO again?
You will need to find a better way to release pressure...trying golfing more often

Vinnie, check the Gallery link and fire off an e-mail please. I like your positive attitude!

done...

Gosh, I hadn't even typed in the thread and I feel spanked.... ;)


OK - Here is the beginning of the "wrath of Ginetta"... To all of you crying about VPO this year - BITE ME!!!! I don't recognize the main name on this thread who is crying. Little Okie boy, you need to be careful! I do not remember seeing your name on our volunteer / sponsor list EVER. Until you help sponosr this event, or even better, volunteer to staff, quit telling my club officers how they should run the event. Terry, Jason, and myself have made our decision. If you don't like your choices, stay away. It's that simple. We do everything we can to put on a enjoyable tournament every year, and I am getting quite tired of people acting like tired, crying, spoiled little kids!

Ginetta

when I hear the phrase "move up and test the waters" it usually comes from a player at the top of his division (it happens in the am divisions also), who is really thinking "move up sucker and pad my payout"....

I believe that many players each year move up to the pro ranks to early, get their buts kicked, drop out of the tournament scene and resort to playing casual disc golf and minis....

I have NO problem with someone running their tourny the way they want.... if I dont like the way it is done I dont have to participate, or I can even run my own if I choose to....

I DO have a problem with the attitude that this tournament is for the pros.... you ams are afterthoughts, and will be treated as such....

dissagree with me.... I have been wrong before.... I got no problem with that....

attack me personaly.... kiss my *****.... I got no problem with that either....

done...


u rock! spread the word!

when I hear the phrase "move up and test the waters" it usually comes from a player at the top of his division (it happens in the am divisions also), who is really thinking "move up sucker and pad my payout"....

I believe that many players each year move up to the pro ranks to early, get their buts kicked, drop out of the tournament scene and resort to playing casual disc golf and minis....

I have NO problem with someone running their tourny the way they want.... if I dont like the way it is done I dont have to participate, or I can even run my own if I choose to....

I DO have a problem with the attitude that this tournament is for the pros.... you ams are afterthoughts, and will be treated as such....

dissagree with me.... I have been wrong before.... I got no problem with that....

attack me personaly.... kiss my *****.... I got no problem with that either....



Steve I like you.

This should be about promoting disc golf! Lets all be positive, and do just that.

Take the professional out of the PDGA and what do we have???

If you don't limit the fields, there is a chance the lower divisions will fill up the tournament and knock out those pro's who do not sign up early.

If you don't limit the fields, there is a chance the lower divisions will fill up the tournament and knock out those pro's who do not sign up early.



Bryan James, dead on as always.....

If you don't limit the fields, there is a chance the lower divisions will fill up the tournament and knock out those pro's who do not sign up early.




well who's fault would that be? I plan on signing up Sunday.....if it's 75 degrees and not a cloud in the sky. :D

Jason and Ginetta,

You have a PM... ;)

when I hear the phrase "move up and test the waters" it usually comes from a player at the top of his division (it happens in the am divisions also), who is really thinking "move up sucker and pad my payout"....




I wouldn't recommend it if I hadn't done it myself. Playing Open is about knowing yourself and your game. The only way to see if your ready to play open is to play open. I know that Joseph has the game to play open, that's why I give him a hard time.

I don't care about getting a couple of extra pro players just to pad the payout. I always recommend to players that aren't ready for Open to stay in advanced (example: Jason Akbaran a.k.a. PeeWee).

when I hear the phrase "move up and test the waters" it usually comes from a player at the top of his division (it happens in the am divisions also), who is really thinking "move up sucker and pad my payout"....




I wouldn't recommend it if I hadn't done it myself. Playing Open is about knowing yourself and your game. The only way to see if your ready to play open is to play open. I know that Joseph has the game to play open, that's why I give him a hard time.

I don't care about getting a couple of extra pro players just to pad the payout. I always recommend to players that aren't ready for Open to stay in advanced (example: Jason Akbaran a.k.a. PeeWee).



Then why does he keep signing up in MPO and getting his butt handed to him ;).

I talked to the head Loompa today and it looks like I'll be limiting or doing away with the MA2 field, adding the trophy only MPO division and freeing up some space for the ladies.

BTW, there is a young lady that really wants to play FPO but is leaning more towards advanced due to the field. My opinion (and I already sent the message) is to get a sponsor to make up the difference between the 2 entry fees with a sponsorship, I'm going to try and do it myself if noone else can but let's see what we can do for her. Any takers?

This is definitely not going to win me a popularity contest, but here are the new guidelines. I'll send a copy of this to Ben at titledisc and hopefully he will have us up before the weekend. If not I'm contemplating just using my paypal account for entries.

MPO $105 30 spots reserved

MPO /trophy only $60 **** 10 spots reserved

MPM $70 15 spots reserved

FPO $105 10 spots reserved

FPO /trophy only $60 **** 5 spots reserved

MPG $70 10 spots reserved

MA1 $60 25 spots reserved

MM1 $60 15 spots reserved

As of this moment we will not be offering any divisions below advanced for pre-registration.


That makes for a total of 80 reserved for the Open divisions, hopefully they�ll all fill. **** If any of the divisions with a trophy only option fill up before the trophy only spots are taken then the spots left in the trophy division are going to be available for that division, if they are not taken they will be open to any division (cut-off dates on entries will follow)****. Please sign up as soon as possible, it makes it easier on us and the players. I realize that we are behind on getting this out there for the players to sign up and I apologize for that, it�s been a really weird year for most of the key people in the club. We will do our best to make up for it with a great event.


Title disc entries will be cut off at midnight Wednesday November 1st. Any spots left in the tournament will be open to any division, including MA2, (we will not be offering a MA3 division this year) at 4 pm on Friday November 3rd during doubles. We will not be taking any registrations after 7:30 AM Saturday. If, for some reason you can�t sign up on-line or at one of the local minis, please contact me or Toolen to reserve your spot in the VPO. I will not do this for everyone, but if I know you are the type of person that stands true to your word I will make sure you have a spot reserved.

Nice job, Jason.

Just trying to find a balance. I know there is no way keep everyone happy, so I might as well do a slightly modified version of what I wanted :Dthat keeps the bellyaching to a minimum ;).

nice...real nice!
I will work up the folks in my area.

Man, ask for sponsorship and you kill a thread :o.

I got something in the works..........You just worry about getting everything together.......Let the sponsor MASTER worry about $$$$$$$$

I am a A.D.G.A. member just trying to help out

Now if we can only get Ben to update titledisc......


This is definitely not going to win me a popularity contest, but here are the new guidelines. I'll send a copy of this to Ben at titledisc and hopefully he will have us up before the weekend. If not I'm contemplating just using my paypal account for entries.

MPO $105 30 spots reserved

MPO /trophy only $60 **** 10 spots reserved

MPM $70 15 spots reserved

FPO $105 10 spots reserved

FPO /trophy only $60 **** 5 spots reserved

MPG $70 10 spots reserved

MA1 $60 25 spots reserved

MM1 $60 15 spots reserved

As of this moment we will not be offering any divisions below advanced for pre-registration.


That makes for a total of 80 reserved for the Open divisions, hopefully they�ll all fill. **** If any of the divisions with a trophy only option fill up before the trophy only spots are taken then the spots left in the trophy division are going to be available for that division, if they are not taken they will be open to any division (cut-off dates on entries will follow)****. Please sign up as soon as possible, it makes it easier on us and the players. I realize that we are behind on getting this out there for the players to sign up and I apologize for that, it�s been a really weird year for most of the key people in the club. We will do our best to make up for it with a great event.


Title disc entries will be cut off at midnight Wednesday November 1st. Any spots left in the tournament will be open to any division, including MA2, (we will not be offering a MA3 division this year) at 4 pm on Friday November 3rd during doubles. We will not be taking any registrations after 7:30 AM Saturday. If, for some reason you can�t sign up on-line or at one of the local minis, please contact me or Toolen to reserve your spot in the VPO. I will not do this for everyone, but if I know you are the type of person that stands true to your word I will make sure you have a spot reserved.

Steve is right on this. I have seen tons of players move up to early, place poorly and simple quit playing. However, the trophy only division gives the player an oppurtunity to test the waters and is not nearly as costly. No serious commitment is made and the player either excels and decides it is the way to go, or can drop back.


when I hear the phrase "move up and test the waters" it usually comes from a player at the top of his division (it happens in the am divisions also), who is really thinking "move up sucker and pad my payout"....

I believe that many players each year move up to the pro ranks to early, get their buts kicked, drop out of the tournament scene and resort to playing casual disc golf and minis....

I have NO problem with someone running their tourny the way they want.... if I dont like the way it is done I dont have to participate, or I can even run my own if I choose to....

I DO have a problem with the attitude that this tournament is for the pros.... you ams are afterthoughts, and will be treated as such....

dissagree with me.... I have been wrong before.... I got no problem with that....

attack me personaly.... kiss my *****.... I got no problem with that either....

Steve is right on this. I have seen tons of players move up to early, place poorly and simple quit playing.



That is what is wrong with people these days..... I am not good @ something so I will quit. This modern mentality is what is truly going to bring this world to its demsie!
What ever happened to perserverence? If generations before us had this mentality, we would be picking flea's off of each other and swinging from the vines! People really make me mad!

How does that old saying go.........
" If at first your dont succede, quit, go home watch Jerry Springer and sit on your ever growing fat arse! "

I was moved up to early and I turned out fine. :confused:

I only played 4 Advanced tournaments, unlike some of you guys playing 4 decades of Advanced tournaments. I think we need to start moving these guys up when their player rating goes above 959. If all of you guys moved up it would not be as hard to cash in the open divison, but when there are only 10 open players per tournament it is a little bit harder.

I was moved up to early and I turned out fine. :confused:

I only played 4 Advanced tournaments, unlike some of you guys playing 4 decades of Advanced tournaments. I think we need to start moving these guys up when their player rating goes above 959. If all of you guys moved up it would not be as hard to cash in the open divison, but when there are only 10 open players per tournament it is a little bit harder.



Finally, a voice of reason! I second the motion!
That is somebody with the right mentality!!!!
Did Chris's player rating go through the roof when he move up, no. Did he start cashing right away, no. But after time he has become quite a force to reckon with on the golf course, and his player rating is creeping up there to the elite status. That is how a PROFESSIONAL should approach his game! How many advanced players out there can say that bout themselves. Chris, that mentality is admirable! People could learn a lot from watching the up and coming pro's. I have!

Hey it is a sign of our generation. It is also a case of continued frustration. There are many youth and adults that try and try at something and never play it again if they suffer frustration. Look at the number of kids that simply drop out of organized sports. Disc golf, like any sport, can be tremendously fullfilling one week and the game you hate the next.

If you cannot understand quiting, think of the game becoming more like work than fun. One thing organized sports has taught us is that to play at a higher level you must practice. If you cannot practice due to other concerns such as family, work, other sports, etc. then you cannot compete at the Open level. Certainly there are players that have a natural ability and don't need as much practice, but the top pros will tell you that you must practice to excel. Once you fall behind in your practice and the fun drains from the game players quit playing at the organized level. Whereas if you stay at the amatuer level, that natural ability is often times enough to allow you to play well and have fun.




That is what is wrong with people these days..... I am not good @ something so I will quit. This modern mentality is what is truly going to bring this world to its demsie!
What ever happened to perserverence? If generations before us had this mentality, we would be picking flea's off of each other and swinging from the vines! People really make me mad!

That is just stupid.

Nolan does not practice.

This sport is not going to take off if we are 99% Ams and 1% open players. How many people go to watch the US amature championship and how many people go to watch the PGA tour.

Hey it is a sign of our generation. It is also a case of continued frustration. There are many youth and adults that try and try at something and never play it again if they suffer frustration. Look at the number of kids that simply drop out of organized sports. Disc golf, like any sport, can be tremendously fullfilling one week and the game you hate the next.

If you cannot understand quiting, think of the game becoming more like work than fun. One thing organized sports has taught us is that to play at a higher level you must practice. If you cannot practice due to other concerns such as family, work, other sports, etc. then you cannot compete at the Open level. Certainly there are players that have a natural ability and don't need as much practice, but the top pros will tell you that you must practice to excel. Once you fall behind in your practice and the fun drains from the game players quit playing at the organized level. Whereas if you stay at the amatuer level, that natural ability is often times enough to allow you to play well and have fun.




That is what is wrong with people these days..... I am not good @ something so I will quit. This modern mentality is what is truly going to bring this world to its demsie!
What ever happened to perserverence? If generations before us had this mentality, we would be picking flea's off of each other and swinging from the vines! People really make me mad!





Having said that, why would you compete if you cant not afford the time to practice. DO NOT move up if you can not practice. That would be like me taking my 94 Jaguar to the Top Fuel drag races and being upset that I ran a 16 second quarter mile. Just stupid.
If you like to play for fun, play for fun! Dont slow the pace for the real competitors. The casual mentality I applaud, in lieu of entering into a tournament to be " In with the in crowd " why not spectate. Even better, why not contribute to the smooth running of the event?

dont get me started on these TEXAS ADV players that will never move up. . :confused:

and Nolans game shows it (nothing personal, he just plays better when he plays more often)

God knows there are plenty of them. Here is where I feel conflicted. I think that right now, my game progreses weekly. I practice all elements of the game, as much as time allows. I compete in several mini's a week in the open division. I cash weekly. My pre-tournament regiment has given me the capacity to remain competative in MA1 with a very few exceptions. The biggest obstacle I have had to overcome to become successful is totally mental. I have the tendancy to let amature players ( whom act like amatures ) affect my rounds. If I take that element away from my tournament play, the liklihood of me playing above my player rating is very probable. My one issue is that I have not won as an MA1 competitor. In your opinion, should a win in a lesser division be used as an indicator to MOVE UP? Or should the value be placed on consistant performance, in a lesser division?

and Nolans game shows it (nothing personal, he just plays better when he plays more often)



Really?

1 210 Big Show at Cedar Hill 28-Jan to 29-Jan-2006 197 $420
2 320 Z Boaz Open 04-Feb to 05-Feb-2006 172 $540
1 55 A to Z Doubles 13-May to 14-May-2006 264 $215
1 135 Waco Charity Open 10-Jun to 11-Jun-2006 201 $540
4 37 Big Arms on the Brazos 17-Jun to 18-Jun-2006 220 $171


3 first place finishes one 2nd place to Barry and a 4th place finish this year. Ya man that guy really sux. :confused:

Chris,

As stupid as it may sound, if you want to truely excel you must practice. Ask Ken, Barry, Des, Juliana, etc. what their practice schedule looks like. There are a lot of players that can do very well without practice, but they will never consistently win, much less be world champions. I have been playing on and off for almost 27 years and I have seen many players move to Open, play for a year or so, never progress beyond the middle third and simply drop off the end of the map. Certainly you have seen the same thing. If a players moves up before they are ready, don't have the time to practice, and preform poorly they just quit or play mini's only.

I also think that you believe everyone starts with the same ability levels and that is simply not true. There are a lot of players that will never progress beyond intermediate.

As for 99% am and 1% open, you might check the PGA ratios. I think disc golf is beating them on Open to Am ratios.


That is just stupid.

Nolan does not practice.

This sport is not going to take off if we are 99% Ams and 1% open players. How many people go to watch the US amature championship and how many people go to watch the PGA tour.

Wait....wasn't this thread about the VPO???

Why are we talking about what it takes to move up? I know it is somewhat relative, but can we get back to how good the VPO is going to be and the details thereof?

(Not trying to be critical, just attempting to stop the thread drift and keep this thread on top) :D:D

So Tom, I guess I will get the chance to play with you? Kyle said he doubted he would be making it.


Wait....wasn't this thread about the VPO???

Why are we talking about what it takes to move up? I know it is somewhat relative, but can we get back to how good the VPO is going to be and the details thereof?

(Not trying to be critical, just attempting to stop the thread drift and keep this thread on top) :D:D

how much $$$$ did the dallas club kick in?

So Tom, I guess I will get the chance to play with you? Kyle said he doubted he would be making it.



I'll be there and I am really looking forward to playing an event I am not running. :D

Too bad Kyle won't make it. I'd like to hear the story about Saturday night during the Twin Oaks tournament again. If you haven't heard it, ask him...it is great!! :D

Anyway, I'll look forward to seeing you there.

**** you Thomas.... I am going to pretend I slipped this post in before your post above..... then I will shut up....

Chris posted that when a players rating hits 959 he should be forced to move up....

these are not the players that I was talking about earlier.... I was talking about players like myself with ratings in the 920's or low 930's....

myself.... I have allways felt that a cap should be put on Advanced, just like the lower ams divisions.... 960 to 970 being a good cutoff rating for Advanced.... allowing players to accept payout in plastic if they dont want to accept cash for college elegibility or whatever....

as for moving up after one win in a division.... HELL NO !!!

if everone vacated a division after one win, we would have players in the pro ranks with ratings still in the 800's....

because I started some of this crap, perhaps I will move up from MM1 to MA1 for this tournament only.... :D


- all misspelled words misspelled on purpose.....

as for moving up after one win in a division.... HELL NO !!!

if everone vacated a division after one win, we would have players in the pro ranks with ratings still in the 800's....




Little extreme dont u think!
I believe I have reason to make the jump, all of which I outlined in a previous message. I want to get better, I think playing pro will help with that.

I don't know what division to play. If Parksalot plays MM1, I'll play there too. I don't really want to take a spot from a true open player. I seem to have the most fun playing mm1 no matter how I play. Who else is playing mm1? Duke,Frank,LLoyd? I need to make a decision by Sunday.

I'm planning on being there. Especially if Parksalot is playing MM1.

I will be there, but not playing MM1 :(


I don't know what division to play. If Parksalot plays MM1, I'll play there too. I don't really want to take a spot from a true open player. I seem to have the most fun playing mm1 no matter how I play. Who else is playing mm1? Duke,Frank,LLoyd? I need to make a decision by Sunday.

Gary, very cool. Any word from Frank or the other Gary about this tournament?
Jerry, I could always play Open Masters if that's where a spot is for me. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Pretty sure Gary W. said he wasn't going to be able to make this one

I will be there, but not playing MM1 :(


I don't know what division to play. If Parksalot plays MM1, I'll play there too. I don't really want to take a spot from a true open player. I seem to have the most fun playing mm1 no matter how I play. Who else is playing mm1? Duke,Frank,LLoyd? I need to make a decision by Sunday.





Is my weekend houseguest ( am world msters champion ) playing MPO?

I guess I was thinking more of last year
<table border="1"><tr><td> 3 85 3rd Poison Ivy Open 08-Jan-2005 112 $75
</td></tr><tr><td>3 135 Big Show at Cedar Hill 12-Feb to 13-Feb-2005 207 $150
</td></tr><tr><td>4 25 Big Show Mid Week #2 16-Feb-2005 106
</td></tr><tr><td>4 310 Z Boaz Open 19-Feb to 20-Feb-2005 190 $520
</td></tr><tr><td>1 232 Texas State Doubles Championships 05-Mar to 06-Mar-2005 193 $525
</td></tr><tr><td>6 PDGA Professional World Doubles Championships 12-Mar to 13-Mar-2005 223 $200
</td></tr><tr><td>3 35 JDGF at Z Boaz 16-Apr-2005 105 $39
</td></tr><tr><td>1 105 Paul Giles Memorial 23-Apr to 24-Apr-2005 197 $345
</td></tr><tr><td>8 480 Waco Charity Open 07-May to 08-May-2005 212 $250
</td></tr><tr><td>3 45 A to Z Doubles 21-May to 22-May-2005 219 $90
</td></tr><tr><td>2 20 Fahrenheit Fling 16-Jul to 17-Jul-2005 201 $80
</td></tr><tr><td>1 187 Outlaw Singles Shootout 03-Sep to 04-Sep-2005 204 $700
</td></tr><tr><td>7 165 Mr. Jim\'s Carrollton Open 17-Sep to 18-Sep-2005 222 $117
</td></tr><tr><td>9 300 14th Veterans Park Open 05-Nov to 06-Nov-2005 207 $172
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

When either Nolan or Clayton needs $$$$ (which NG does being a new Papa), DO NOT bet against them. Every time Nolan has played this year he has told me before that he could not afford to not cash and he would rather just win it (like any true competitor should). Every time he said that it was followed by "I've got a little girl to take care of now".

Here's the final 9 holes I proposed to Terry. I don't know if this will be for all divisions but if you're playing MPO you can count on this layout.

Champion 1 Not teeing of from the spot where we have been doing it at A to Z, closer to where the sidewalk ends by Champion 8's pad

Champion 2 Anyone who has been at a VPO knows this hole. You can pick up a stoke on most of the field with a 3 or throw 1 bad shot off the tee and loose a few.

Hole 3 Here's your opportunity to gain a stroke with a 2.

Champion 5 Just like we've played it at A to Z. Another birdie oppurtunity also.

Champion 8 to 10's basket That's right. The old school ADGA folks and people who played some of the early VPOs will remember this as the original hole. Without a doubt a true Par 4 and one of the "coolest" holes on the course.

Hole 11's pad to 12's short bucket This should be a fun hole. Once you clear the tunnel of trees offf of 11's pad it's nothing but air and the ever present wind.

Hole 13's pad to 14's short bucket Should be another fun hole. A chance to throw down a couple of booming rollers or show off that big arm, with a tight finish at the end.


Champion 17 Classic hole at about 700'. I got to see Leyva putting from about 50' out for a 2 and tee shot was all air.

Champion 18 Teeing from behind the sidewalk. Another long hole that requires a good accurate shot.

That's it. I really look forward to seeing what some of teh best players in the world can do on that layout.

Ben, Ben! BEN!!!! Is there anybody out there?

Champion 8 to 10's basket................
Awesome, cant wait to see some big BOOM'S on that one!
That will bring out some huge anhyzers on that hole, sweet !

Champion 8 to LONG 10's basket That's right. The old school ADGA folks and people who played some of the early VPOs will remember this as the original hole. Without a doubt a true Par 4 and one of the "coolest" holes on the course.



I'm thinking you meant par 5. I only know of 3 people to ever get a 3 on the hole....Leyva, Stokely, and Aaron Little!!!! If it were a par 4 as you stated...only 3 birdies in the 16 year exsistance of the hole? No way it's a par 4. Call it a par 5 and it having 3 known eagles.....now we're talking.

Champion 8 to 10's basket That's right. The old school ADGA folks and people who played some of the early VPOs will remember this as the original hole. Without a doubt a true Par 4 and one of the "coolest" holes on the course.



I took a 4 on it last year and felt like I had a monster hole...since the others in my group were taking 5's and 6's. We all thought it was a Par 5. ;) :o

Yes I agree it's a par 5. I really shouldn't post while drinking :o. Of course that doesn't leave me much time to post ;).

This is to hole #10 not #8.

Last year we played from the top of the hill to hole #8.

I really shouldn't post while drinking :o. Of course that doesn't leave me much time to post ;).



LMFAO!!!! That is the funniest thing I have heard on this board in a LONG TIME! :D

This is to hole #10 not #8.

Last year we played from the top of the hill to hole #8.



You're right...it was to #8 basket... :o

Jason,

Any word from titledisc on when registration might be up?

None whatsoever :(.

Champ 8 tee to #16 short would be interesting too.

I asked Kyle, that was pretty funny.

I asked Kyle, that was pretty funny.



I thought you would enjoy that...All of us on his card Sunday morning had many laughs..

Yes I agree it's a par 5. I really shouldn't post while drinking :o.



Posting in between gulps is the only way to go! Speaking of drinking, when do you find time to breathe? :D

that is what I was wondering .. freaking DRUNK :D

It is such a nice day outside, I sure could go for a
TOSSED SALAD!

:eek: ^^^^ Did he just say what i think he said? ^^^^ :eek:

DELICIOUS!

Final 9's are good.....almost as good as ____________.

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Thats my girl!
She likes tossed salad too!

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My goodness mu guinea.... :D

Final 9's are good.....almost as good as ____________.



found money

Just got an e-mail from Ben, we should be up on titleDISC (http://titledisc.com) this evening. Please use this convenient service and sign up early if you can.

Please use this convenient service and sign up early if you can.



WHAT....PLEASE?
Sign up ASAP (no please to it)
A.D.G.A. has plenty of things to do and DO NOT need to deal with late sign up.
Its important to the staff to fill the divisions to determine the FLEXABILITY of ALLOWING Ams and trophy only spots :D
My phone needs to ring ......ah.....A.D.G.A. :confused:

And just a suggestion....Ace in the Oaks should be for players, staff, and anybody sponsoring $100 cash to VPO.

That sounds like a great final nine. The type that really draws a gallery. Good choice, Jason, Terry, and Ginetta.

Hey, ya'll be nice to Blossom. Did you read her bio? From the snake pit to tossed salad with Lee and being dressed like a cowgirl? That girl's had a rough life! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just got an e-mail from Ben, we should be up on titleDISC (http://titledisc.com) this evening.



Maybe not :confused:.

He meant this, this evening not that this evening /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Just got an e-mail from Ben, we should be up on titleDISC (http://titledisc.com) this evening.



Maybe not :confused:.

water retainer it.................BEN? :mad:

Hey, ya'll be nice to Blossom. Did you read her bio? From the snake pit to tossed salad with Lee and being dressed like a cowgirl? That girl's had a rough life! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Hey Laura, I have given her a great home. She might find her way out to the VPO. We do need a spectator presence this year, guinea pigs have feelings too!

Her real name is Gertie!
She did not like Blossom, her nose is not that big :D

Just gave Ben the approval on everything. It appears he has a real job too, so we'll take it easy on him this time :D.

Maybe a stupid quesiton, but what is Ace Golf in the Oaks?

36 holes of 150' golf. Everyone gets one shot at the hole, if you don't get an Ace just move on. All aces get a share af the Ace Golf pot, ussally breaks down to about $35 to $45 if you Ace. It's really just a good time ace running at every hole you play :D.

It's a stupid question I dont know the answer to, but would like to.

Sorry to drift the thread, but I have to throw this out. Props to a guy named Barry out at the Vet. I made my first trip ever over there, brought my double stroller and both of my daughters. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS GETTING MYSELF INTO. Anyway, Barry didn't know me, but helped me carry/push/pull/shove the stroller over about 5 holes.

Disc golfers is da' best peoples.

Titledisc is up and ready for registeration. Am I the first?

Can't believe you hadn't made it to the Vet yet, what kind of DG mentors do you have??? Nevermind, it's those boys that play Greenbelt and Porter every Thursday isn't it :D.

Glad to here you had a chance to check it out and there was a "friendly" to help you on your tour. Hope to see you at the VPO.

Just signed up ;). My mentors will be proud of me...branching out.

Lost an orange Star Valk. on 18 today. Sure would love to have it back. It has a Kansas City stamp and JJ 26022 on the bottom...Anybody, Anybody...Bueller?

Man, Jerry made me blush, I'll remember my first forever :o.

Thanks for signing up. If you can't tell, I'm in a sarcastic mood this evening, so pretty much ignore half of what I post :D.

It looks like there will be quite a few World Champions at the VPO and one of them was even nice enough to register early. (And this is not sarcasm)I wish more of them would learn from the example Jerry has set ;).

Had to make the title a little more specific. I'll let you know if anyone turns that Valk in.

Chamberlain for President

Players list? Is it full yet

In two weeks you will either be saying, "Wow that was a blast!" or "Crap, I wish I had signed up before VPO filled...."

Which will you be?

So what is the consensus on the Final 9? Are the holes that Jason proposed likely to be the ones used? Which divisions are going to be playing them? And for the divisions playing them, how many places are playing -- just top 4? All of them? I'm trying to recruit players, and this is a good selling point. Plus we're hoping to take a look at them on Saturday morning.

Thx

I really hope to see Champion 8 played to 10's basket. That would be sweeeeeet! I bet you would see a couple 3's on that hole. Hard 3's but it is possible.

You probably won't see any 3's. If so, we'd have to add those names to the list of the 3 golfers that have 3'd it.

Especially because this time of year, the wind is usually horrible on that hole.

You probably won't see any 3's. If so, we'd have to add those names to the list of the 3 golfers that have 3'd it.


Is Nolan one of the magical 3 ?
You would need his arm to make that happen!

You'd have to park 8's basket to have a shot at a 3. Given the typical headwind on top of the mountain, that ain't gonna happen.

How far do you need to get on the drive to have a chance? I have never played that hole but I have had a couple easy upshots for 3 to 8's basket. Probably have to get way up the fairway to have a chance to get over the trees on the upshot.

You either need to be in front of or way right of the large group of trees in 8's fairway. You are still going to have to throw a 350 ft uphill hyzer with a viscious headwind to get to 10's basket. I would imagine ,for those whom clear the trees off of champ 8, you can lay up close to 8's long pin and go over the top for a reasonable 4.. Which translates to a birdie if I am not mistaken?

The holes I listed are most likely going to be played for the final 9. But I will always give myself an out and say that things are due to change at any moment :D. I'll try to get in touch with the HLIC and get the entries he has this evening. I have 17 entries from titleDISC (http://titledisc.com) already and should have those entered shortly. Just from the calls I've recieved and the early flood of online entries I'm predicting we will fill, so sign up early.

fyi : the new pin's on 7 and 18 are pretty sweet!

where is 18?

You would probalbly have to be in front of the trees on your drive for a chance at a big hyzer over the trees... easy three :D

ce

18- Close your eyes and imagine the short pin ( up the hill ) and the long pin ( by the sidewalk ) Draw a straight line between the two. Meet in the middle ( yes in the woods ) and its about there. I will say this. The spike hyzer is the line ( backhand or flick ) . There will be a little tree lotto involved , but there is a hole.
If you lay up in the fairway, it will be a total crap shoot to get your 3. Tiny little trail back to the pin from the fairway. It will get some mixed responses, but I think it will be fun.

How long is this new pin?!? I personally really like it on the long there. Great risk/reward hole...especially for me who throws a roller on it!

You probably won't see any 3's. If so, we'd have to add those names to the list of the 3 golfers that have 3'd it.


Is Nolan one of the magical 3 ?
You would need his arm to make that happen!



No. The only 3 people that have 3'd the hole(champ 8 to 10 long basket) is: Scott Stokely, Craig Leyva, and Aaron Little. :eek:

I would call it 40-50 short of the long, approx another 40-50 right into the woods. Put your roller down for this one, it is not going to happen! Big spike hyzer is the line! Much like making love to a fine woman, you have just got to find the right hole!

Tee, hee-hee! :D

You probably won't see any 3's. If so, we'd have to add those names to the list of the 3 golfers that have 3'd it.


Is Nolan one of the magical 3 ?
You would need his arm to make that happen!



No. The only 3 people that have 3'd the hole(champ 8 to 10 long basket) is: Scott Stokely, Craig Leyva, and Aaron Little. :eek:



Nolan could do it!

Sure he can......but i've been golfing with him for 13 years and he hasn't yet.

I had my best chance to do it in 1997. Got a drive off of the mountain and past the 3 huge trees in the middle of the fairway. Threw the next shot as hard as i could only to be gobbled up by the last few Mesquite trees. Easy 4. :confused:

...Please contact me or Toolen to reserve your spot in the VPO. I will not do this for everyone, but if I know you are the type of person that stands true to your word I will make sure you have a spot reserved.




RSVP please. Thank you.

Sure he can......but i've been golfing with him for 13 years and he hasn't yet.

I had my best chance to do it in 1997. Got a drive off of the mountain and past the 3 huge trees in the middle of the fairway. Threw the next shot as hard as i could only to be gobbled up by the last few Mesquite trees. Easy 4. :confused:



**** those mesquite trees!

...and the hill...and the north wind....and the old school plastic.

I bet an Innova driver would have made it up that hill, thru the wind and past the trees! :D

...Please contact me or Toolen to reserve your spot in the VPO. I will not do this for everyone, but if I know you are the type of person that stands true to your word I will make sure you have a spot reserved.




RSVP please. Thank you.


I did, pull your ham.....I mean head out of there :eek:.

It was 1997, it prolly was an innova driver. :p No really, it was probably Cyclones or Cyclone 2's.

I did, pull your ham.....I mean head out of there



ooops. **** Jug! :D

It was 1997, it prolly was an innova driver. :p


silly me , you should have thrown some lightning plastic.....

Drift, John have you thrown one of those mini-drivers yet?
They are sweet.....

Actually the Cyclone was the long range driver of choice for everyone except innova sponsored players during 1995-1998ish.

I haven't seen the driver mini yet. Heard about McCoy's score on 888 with one though.... :D

The things frigging boom, I swear I threw one about 150 feet @ about 50 percent last night! uber stable compared to their counterparts! I got an extra one I will give you!
The next time we meet that is!

These are the entries I have so far. For some reason I lost my Excel off of the computer at the house so I am not using the fancy TD entry sheet at the moment.

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Steven Koye
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MM1 Gary Duke
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis


That�s it for now, but I�m sure some more will roll in this evening. Looks good so far!

Seth! :D

yes Seth he also played Octoberfest the other weekend seems to be doing good not playing much due to family but we all have that happen once or twice throughout our careers

:D

These are the entries I have so far. For some reason I lost my Excel off of the computer at the house so I am not using the fancy TD entry sheet at the moment.

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Steven Koye
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MM1 Gary Duke
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis


That�s it for now, but I�m sure some more will roll in this evening. Looks good so far!



Updated!

Already have half the Open field we had last year. Lets keep them coming.

The Monster layout will be played by, at the very least, MPO and MA1. Cash spots only, if you don't get to play in the final 9 you can blame yourself for the previous 72 holes . Depending on the #'s I would like everyone to play this layout, if the #'s are off we'll have another 9 holes layed out for some of the other divisions.


Now hurry up and sign up!!!

and MPM??????


The Monster layout will be played by, at the very least, MPO and MA1. Cash spots only, if you don't get to play in the final 9 you can blame yourself for the previous 72 holes . Depending on the #'s I would like everyone to play this layout, if the #'s are off we'll have another 9 holes layed out for some of the other divisions.


Now hurry up and sign up!!!

You can use a table in MS Word to enter names for uploading into the PDGA online software to post pre-reg for VPO if you lost your Excel.

We are headed back to the land of the LoneStar for the VPO :D Always have enjoyed this tournament. DiscBoomer has been working with myself and the VPO gang and some COOL things are in the works. He is donating a basket to be solely used to give away to spectators of the Final Day of the VPO. We are also holding a raffle open to everyone to support EDGE in the DFW area schools. Des and I are seeding this raffle with a SkillShot basket, USDGC package and a Candy CE Roc! We would greatly appreciate any other donations for this worthy cause.

ps:This is being announced on i heard its a go from that one guy information. If this is stepping on toes, I am stupid. We are launching today, see you first in Oklahoma.

we all ought to sign up for MPO or MPM. even if you cash, you can still get Am status, due to the General Amnesty Plan. take the cash, send in an immediate request for Am status, and go back to Am. sweet!

;)



we all ought to sign up for MPO or MPM. even if you cash, you can still get Am status, due to the General Amnesty Plan. take the cash, send in an immediate request for Am status, and go back to Am. sweet!

How about just sign up for MPO then. :D

that would work also.. just less chance of cashing

Actually....the more players in the div would mean the greater chance you'd have to cache...i mean cash. :D

I want to play MPO, unless Mitch-Mac is showing up. I guess i will just have to wait 14 more years! :D

i cached the geo-cache, so now i need cash.

anyway, i can't play the VPO... gotta do Ke'Ohana stuff - i got some pics of the island green last weekend you'll love - and my thumb/hand is not better enough to play four rounds. dang it!

C'mon......don't give me that "my hand hurts" crap! I played last years VPO and Players Cup with a thorn the size of toothpick in the pad of my middle finger on my throwing hand. Might explain why i didn't cache.....i mean cash.....at either. :D

Ke'Ohana will be there when Monday comes.

I want to play MPO, unless Mitch-Mac is showing up. I guess i will just have to wait 14 more years! :D



Mitch plays MPM with the rest of us "old guys"....but you can come play with us :D We would love for him to play MPO :p

Here�s an updated/corrected players list

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Stevan Koye
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO De�Atra Hunter
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
FPO trophy Susan Macaluso
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MM1 Gary Duke
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis

I really appreciate all of the early registration. Especially since we were so late on making it available.
MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO Chris Flesner
MPO Donald Ellsworth
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Stevan Koye
MPO trophy PJ Fry
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO De�Atra Hunter
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
FPO trophy Susan Macaluso
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller
MM1 Gary Duke
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Anthony Pugh
MA1 Mark Ludwig

I'll post a list of how many spots are left per division probably Thursday evening. It's my "busy" time at work so try to be patient until Monday if I'm a little slow on getting info to you guys. Once again, THANK YOU to all of you that are signing up early, it makes life so much simplier for the TD's.

I can't decide if I want to play :(

I need to work

I havent decided either pizZa.... but Im not going to post that here.....

I can't decide if I want to play :(

I need to work


Well I do have to work the weekend of, so you be the irresponsible one and play hookie ;).

I havent decided either pizZa.... but Im not going to post that here.....



Your wrinkled old butt better be there.

This begs the question, how would you know his butt is wrinkled? No never mind, I don't want to know.




Your wrinkled old butt better be there.

This begs the question, how would you know his butt in wrinkled? No never mind, I don't want to know.




Your wrinkled old butt better be there.




I think i just threw up a little ......

I think i just threw up a little ......



I was LMFAO as I threw up.

Hey Derek, move up man! :D

Not for $100+!

I'm going to finish out the year in Advanced and try Pro in the spring. I REALLY haven't played much since the TX10 final, and don't expect to play much again until April since work is starting to take over again, and the nights are getting shorter. Night golf is an option, but we'll see. If I could putt consistently I'd say forget all of that, but I just don't have much time to practice it.

Also very sorry I can't make it to Tulsa this weekend! :(

I can't decide if I want to play :(

I need to work



There is plenty of time for work.. :D..so sign up now and play before there are 15 MPM and then you can't play.

????? Piney Woods!!!????


Not for $100+!

I'm going to finish out the year in Advanced and try Pro in the spring. I REALLY haven't played much since the TX10 final, and don't expect to play much again until April since work is starting to take over again, and the nights are getting shorter. Night golf is an option, but we'll see. If I could putt consistently I'd say forget all of that, but I just don't have much time to practice it.

Also very sorry I can't make it to Tulsa this weekend! :(

I'll be at the Piney Woods Open...not sure yet if Pro or Advanced. I'll sign up after the VPO...gotta space out the "disposable income" expenses!

Piney woods is a must play for the discboomer!
I still enjoy thinking about all the fun I had last year, it was only my second sanctioned event. Cant wait untill this year's PWO!

I wonder how bad those black top tee pads are falling apart a year later.

Suprizingly they are not. Most of the loose material has been kicked off and they are in excellent shape. But then again, I am just an old man with half the snap of you young guns ;)


I wonder how bad those black top tee pads are falling apart a year later.

tee pads or not, I am soo there!
This year my plans are to come home with only 5 pounds of stickers in my socks, as opposed to the 10 I came home with last year!

A few more MPO entries

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO Chris Flesner
MPO Donald Ellsworth
MPO JD Ramirez
MPO Daniel Stacey
MPO Nolan Grider
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Stevan Koye
MPO trophy PJ Fry
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO De�Atra Hunter
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
FPO trophy Susan Macaluso
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller
MM1 Gary Duke
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Anthony Pugh
MA1 Mark Ludwig

Piney woods has its own thread!
The questions is what kind of sponsorship is Pine woods kickin to VPO?

looks to be about half full.....better sign up

Vinnie,

Thanks for the correction to thread. I had not intended to start a Piney Woods thread here, it just sort of happened. As for sponsorship...... we are still a struggling tournament with very few club members, but I did promise some discs for the gallery raffle. Which is another thread as well :p


Piney woods has its own thread!
The questions is what kind of sponsorship is Pine woods kickin to VPO?

sounds great!
thanks for your support and see you soon

Just pushing this back to the top.

A few more entries :D

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO Chris Flesner
MPO Donald Ellsworth
MPO JD Ramirez
MPO Daniel Stacey
MPO Nolan Grider
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Stevan Koye
MPO trophy PJ Fry
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO De�Atra Hunter
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
FPO trophy Susan Macaluso
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller
MM1 Gary Duke
MM1 Steven Parker
MM1 Paul Roman
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Anthony Pugh
MA1 Mark Ludwig
MA1 Gilbert Casas

looking forward to it

I spoke with a couple of writers for the Ft Worth Star Telegram yesterday. They will be out there for the VPO. At least there will be some photos in the " Around Town " section of the paper, but possibly there will be a write up in the sports section.
Put on your sunday best boys and girls, you might just end up in the paper.

On a similar topic, I still have yet to hear back from the radio stations! :(

Lee is the MAN (with a guinea pig) :eek:. Myself, the ADGA, and the DFW Disc Golf scene owe you. You've stepped up and really helped to advance the sport locally and we thank you for all the things you are doing.


I just got home from work ( I love 18 hour days ) and I have a few more entries to input.........TOMORROW :D. Time to sleep.

MA1 is filling up quick, hurry up and sign up.

MPO Michael Brownlow
MPO Seth Lawhead
MPO Chris Pepperling
MPO Glenn Neill
MPO Eric Vanderberg
MPO John Mauiro
MPO Jay Reading
MPO Chris Flesner
MPO Donald Ellsworth
MPO JD Ramirez
MPO Daniel Stacey
MPO Nolan Grider
MPO trophy Benjamin Railey
MPO trophy Stevan Koye
MPO trophy PJ Fry
FPO Liz Lopez
FPO Melinda Ring
FPO Sheila Kirkham
FPO Elaine King
FPO Des Reading
FPO De�Atra Hunter
FPO trophy Stacey Pereida
FPO trophy Susan Macaluso
MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller
MM1 Gary Duke
MM1 Steven Parker
MM1 Paul Roman
MM1 Jack Banks
MA1 Adam Bailey
MA1 Orlando Pereida
MA1 Raymond Pereida
MA1 Miles Seaborn
MA1 Justin Jones
MA1 Jayson Houston
MA1 Daniel Fowler
MA1 Richard Hajek
MA1 Jeremy Ellis
MA1 Derek Henry
MA1 Anthony Pugh
MA1 Mark Ludwig
MA1 Gilbert Casas
MA1 Chris Oravetz
MA1 Jeremy Doyle
MA1 JJ Touchet

Hey Jason have you guys decided who is playing the final 9
top 10 or top card?

I'm leaning towards everyone in a cashing spot.

Jason you have a PM

Friday:
partly cloudy hi 65 low 44

Saturday:
partly Cloudy hi 68 low 52 10% chance of rain

Sunday:
30% chance of rain with a hi of 70 and low of 54..

So...where can I find a schedule of events?

Played a practice round, and then some of the champion holes and final nine...those are nucking futs! #2 is always fun, as are #8, 17, and 18. #11 to 12's basket was nice, and so was #13 to 14's basket. All 6 of those holes are legitimate par 5's, depending on the wind. If it's a 15-20+ mph headwind, 5 is good, considering all of those are over 650'. The first time through, there was headwind on #2, #8 (OUCH!) and 11/12, then the next time through it was a headwind on 13/14, 17, and 18. Weird...

Can't wait to play them this weekend!

I'm leaning towards everyone in a cashing spot.



This is a good place to make the cut.
Looking forward to playing Veterans for the first time in 2 years. :D

Some people may or may not know the this coming weekend ( VPO) weekend, is also RACE WEEK in Ft Worth. If you are traveling southbound into the Metroplex on 35W, prepare for the most retarded traffic you have ever seen in your life.
If you are coming down saturday morning , I would suggest leaving about 2 hours early. IT IS REALLY THAT BAD!

prepare for the most retarded traffic you have ever seen in your life

not true this seems to be the best way to move 100,000 people in and out of the track...

I am currently looking at the signed up list of MPM and I am fearing that I may end up as the odd man out if we do not have more people sign up. Please Masters, don't let a newby Master player be all alone! Sign up today!!!

Come on old guys, Jerry wants to play....
I will supply the Gerritol as incentive! I will bring some FlexAll 454 too.

Thats why we wanted you in Oklahoma this last weekend.
23 MPM's.

Hey now, with anti-inflammatories I don't need any of that stuff! :p


Come on old guys, Jerry wants to play....
I will supply the Gerritol as incentive! I will bring some FlexAll 454 too.

Hey now, with anti-inflammatories I don't need any of that stuff! :p


Come on old guys, Jerry wants to play....
I will supply the Gerritol as incentive! I will bring some FlexAll 454 too.





So you have been DOPING??????? Know I know how you won @ Am Worlds :D

I am currently looking at the signed up list of MPM and I am fearing that I may end up as the odd man out if we do not have more people sign up. Please Masters, don't let a newby Master player be all alone! Sign up today!!!



So Jerry are you saying this is a list of nobodies? I think of few of us would take exception to that :p :p

MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller

I assure you there will be more, they just don't know how to sign up early. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

No you misunderstand. I look at the list and see myself as the odd man out. 5 players makes one group of 4 and 1 odd man. Actually I was saying quite the opposite. I expect to not be in the top group. If I am not in the top group then I am alone, sigh, playing with an odd group somewhere else..... :(



I am currently looking at the signed up list of MPM and I am fearing that I may end up as the odd man out if we do not have more people sign up. Please Masters, don't let a newby Master player be all alone! Sign up today!!!



So Jerry are you saying this is a list of nobodies? I think of few of us would take exception to that :p :p

MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller

I assure you there will be more, they just don't know how to sign up early. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thats why we wanted you in Oklahoma this last weekend.
23 MPM's.



Why are you busting someone's chops for not coming to Tulsa. In the last 6 years you have never been to any events in Tyler and have only been to Z Boaz twice. There are MANY Great events in Texas that you have missed. :confused:

No you misunderstand. I look at the list and see myself as the odd man out. 5 players makes one group of 4 and 1 odd man. Actually I was saying quite the opposite. I expect to not be in the top group. If I am not in the top group then I am alone, sigh, playing with an odd group somewhere else..... :(



We can play with 5 :D

I am currently looking at the signed up list of MPM and I am fearing that I may end up as the odd man out if we do not have more people sign up. Please Masters, don't let a newby Master player be all alone! Sign up today!!!



So Jerry are you saying this is a list of nobodies? I think of few of us would take exception to that :p :p

MPM Richard Gutzman
MPM Jerry Power
MPM Tom Lowry
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Vinnie Miller

I assure you there will be more, they just don't know how to sign up early. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



No he just noticed I am not playing this weekend. :D

Thats why we wanted you in Oklahoma this last weekend.
23 MPM's.



I know I wanted to come, but the wife had plans to spend the weekend with her mom and it is a bit of a drive for me.

So what Bryan...your not playing???

Oh, I know it is just because I'm coming down. :D

I did notice that, but it would only have been an embarrashment for you :eek:


No he just noticed I am not playing this weekend. :D

Lots-o-poo flinging in the Masters division.
That is the great thing about adult diapers, you dont have to look far to find the poo to fling! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Lots-o-poo flinging in the Masters division.
That is the great thing about adult diapers, you dont have to look far to find the poo to fling! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D



How'd you know about the diapers???

I have a keen sense of smell!

Hummmmm..... and you have a pet guinea pig? Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?? :p


I have a keen sense of smell!

Hummmmm..... and you have a pet guinea pig? Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?? :p


I have a keen sense of smell!





I am sure you and my Guinea Pig will get along well this weekend!

Thats why we wanted you in Oklahoma this last weekend.
23 MPM's.



Why are you busting someone's chops for not coming to Tulsa. In the last 6 years you have never been to any events in Tyler and have only been to Z Boaz twice. There are MANY Great events in Texas that you have missed. :confused:



I wasn't busting his chops, his own brother was trying to get him up here.
I know Texas has many, many great events and I plan on playing some of them over the next year. The last two years have been devoted to the 06 worlds in Tulsa.
The next fews years are devoted to me. ;)

See you in Tejas.

I did notice that, but it would only have been an embarrashment for you :eek:


No he just noticed I am not playing this weekend. :D





Naw, you are going to have to beat someone else to keep away from DFL.

MA1 is full for pre-registration. I've talked to Ben and told him to take that option off of titleDISC. If the tournament does not fill by Friday at 4 PM I'll release the spots that are left for most divisions. Give me a few minutes and I'll post the player's list.

1 mississippi...2 mississippi...3 mississippi. That took a few minutes to type. :DThanks JC!