Has anybody thrown and tested both at the same time? I figure that the Tsunami is less stable and probably longer. I have yet to throw the ESP preds but they feel sweet. Gonna test them this weekend.

Tsunami was retooled so it would fly farther and not be as stable, I got 2 first runs ESP Predators I m bout to put one in my bag should be sweet I heard there real stable.

The ESP Preds are SICK Overstable...........Id say more overstable then the Z Preds!!! Now that is OVERSTABLE!!!

Sweet that means I will like it:)

The ESP pred is an unbelievable disc. definitely more overstable than the Z

I don't know If I would say that my ESP Predator (before I lost it) was more overstable than my Z, but it was definetely faster. This disc is incredible, I can't wait to get another. When thrown flat it definetely went 30-50 feet longer than the Z. Speed, glide, and grip...I can only imagine what this disc would be like once broken in. Big arms will definetely be throwing these for "D". Oh, and last weekend I saw the youngest member of Gateway South almost ace a 500' downhill hole with C.R. Willey's ESP Predator between rounds.

My ESP Avenger is more overstable than both!

My ESP Avenger is more overstable than both!



And thats no joke because mine is too :eek: :eek: :eek:

Honest assesment with no hype:

I just got an ESP predator. I can only speak for the one that I have, I have not tested any other ESP preds yet.

The ESP predator was definitely not more overstable than my Z-preds (I have thrown preds almost exclusively for my primary driver for a couple years now, so I know it pretty well).

In my opinion the ESP seems to have a bit less high speed stability to a Z-pred. In this I would say it is very similar to a tsnami, but still a bit more overstable.

The low speed stability of the ESP pred seems the same as a Z-pred.

I threw them one after the other pretty extensively over the weekend with lots of different wind speeds, and on varying angles. Those are the results I got.

Summary:
ESP-pred less overstable at high speed than Z-pred but slight more overstable than Tsunami.
ESP-pred equally stable to Z-pred at low speed (last 1/4 of flight).

I liked the disc it seemed a bit faster than my Z-preds, but that might have just been me being excited. It does hold an anhyzer for a bit longer but will definitely fight out of it like predators are known for doing. Great disc, great feel on the plastic, I'm happy.