The Calvert Open a "B" tier tournament will be held this Sunday September 17 in Maryland. It will be a tiered tournament with pros and ams plaing separately. (Pros play round 1 then ams play round 1, pros play round 2, then ams play round 2, then the awards ceremony.) There a number of folks about 4 to 8 that plan on playing "both sides" of the tournament. Rich Myers err Dr Evil (helping out with the tournament and also the Maryland State Coordinator) has stated on our local discussion board that he does not know if players will be able to have both tournaments count in the player stats and ratings or not and suggested players let the TD know which result really counts because both may not be able to be counted because of the nature of the TD report. Shenanigans has been called is there a way to include both? :confused:

this is calvert we're speaking of. please refer to the tin man contest correctly.

what time do the pro's start?

8:00 AM pro player registration closes.
8:15 AM pro players meeting.
8:30 AM pro round 1 begins.

web page (http://www.calvertdiscgolf.com/calopen.php)

thanks Shark

No problem, now where is Chuck when you need him? :D

the TD simply needs to call/e-mail dave gentry and i'm sure this can all be painlessly resolved.

it may require a second sanctioning fee because they need to be listed as seperate events.

just add this to the list of reasons why flights at calvert don't make sense.

here, let me properly explain to you what the deal is shark. there is an easy fix, you would use 2 reports and treat the pro and am sides as different events. you wouldn't have to pay sanctioning twice, but it would dilute the event value probably and the other problem is that you would need to keep 2 event reports and split cost between the two. while that wouldn't be a major PITA for me since i have done a bunch of TD reports, badger is new TD and SW won't be much help in the report area. badger already is doing a ton of stuff and it would be one more thing to load on the poor guy who is already doing a ton of work on the event. to me points and ratings in the advanced masters division don't really mena much to me, so i don't see it as a big deal. actually i think my only problem with the event is that it is kind of high priced for a one day event. but it's a little late to worry about that, obviously most people think it is fine as there are over 80 pre-registered people already!!!

should be a great event. i think the concern about this issue is over-rated though.

Not earth shattering but a resonable question, no?

Sparky,

I have directed your inquiry to the proper place. I will bill you for my services on Sunday. Can you people do anything right?

Thanks. :p

Glad to help.

Here's the reply from Mr. Kennedy by the way:


It's no different from many events that are on two days where the same player can play each day. See IOS series in IL and several Wisconsin tour events for examples. The TD only pays one sanctioning fee and submits a report for each day. Players entering both days get ratings for both divisions they enter. Have TD contact Gentry for procedure if any questions.




It only took 26 minutes to get a reply, but of course I'm an International Disc Golf Celebrity.

Thanks, BTW any idea why the bad doctor got so hissy when I asked ?

Maybe he's high. He's been spending a lot of time lately on the stoner thread.

hissy

LOL .... Dr. Hissy. :mad:

because what chuck doesn't mention is the additional work created and the dilution of the event value since it is treated as 2 different events. a better solution would be for the pdga to fix their system (i.e. the spreadsheet and the way they import them....doing two reports takes care of the symptoms of the incorrect procedure instead of fixing the root problem IMO

The PDGA could just say that players can't play in two divisions at the same event. And yet, now they can if the TD does a little extra work. The event value is better since only one sanctioning fee is charged. How much better should the PDGA fix a procedure that is already been "fixed" to be more member friendly?

in addition, no one really cares about the event value in a specific numeric sense. players either feel they got screwed or they don't regardless of numbers(in this case i'm sure they won't).

i mean the event value in terms of the pdga requirements for a b tier event. i.e added cash and total event value. of course if the pdga still combined the events for those purposes, it really wouldn't be that much extra work i guess, but still some, when i would think the spreadsheet and import function could easily be tweaked to allow dupe pdga numbers in such cases. comprende?

what i'm saying is that those numbers don't matter either. there is at least one a tier ongoing in our part of the country which hasn't met those requirements in years.

imo there is no compelling reason to run a b tier rather than a c tier in which case you are not encumbered with those requirements anyway. top notch events will draw regardless of tier status.

true true. seems like tier status is irrelevant here. regardless, flyers are going to split the event reports after all.

I notice they haven't separated the pre-reg into two lists yet though. Good to see they finally figured this out though.

Aren't the cross-divisional players being charged twice? Seems to me that you'd have *more* value if that were the case. You've got those 4-6 players paying for an additional event that they otherwise wouldn't.