DiscWing's Quarter K2:
March was the original release date.
Then May. Then June. Then August. Then is was supposed to be tomorrow. Now the website says it will be another 30 days.

Is anyone actually still waiting for this "revolutionary" new design?

Nope

They burned alot of bridges with the overhyped original Quarter-K. They are really going to have to do alot to win over any disc golfers after little-to-no damage control last year.

Nope

maybe you just can't rush a good thing :confused:??

For the life of me, I can't understand why Jonny Potts is wasting time & energy on re-tooling the original Quarter K. I can't imagine who needs the original Quarter K, even in durable plastic. Even he would admit that it's an inferior product to the hand-poured prototype.

Three years ago he came out with a hand-poured prototpye that some golfers were throwing over 600 feet. ALL his time and energies should be devoted to making a production run of that disc. For the last three years there's been nothing but missed deadlines and excuses.

His top priority should be the Quarter K II.

Ive asked Johnny Potts if he would like some help in mold building several times. He has only responded once, about a year ago, stating he had everything he needed.
If someone knows him and can get a hold of him, tell him the offer still stands.
We ( Gateway-Quest) can build him all the molds he wants QK2-QK9, right here in the states. We could have one done by the end of next week and start shipping them once they are stamped.
He has some great philosophies on flight and design,, but its only good if there is an actual product players can throw.

Couldn't agree more, Dave. The guy is a genius in aerodynamics, but knows next to nothing about disc manufacturing and has even less business sense. With his background and your knowledge in disc manufacturing, he could have revolutionized the disc golf world years ago and be making a fortune from it. Instead, all we've had to date is empty promises and delay after delay after delay. :(

:DLMAO :D

The Brits can keep it.

How kind of you all to drop in on the Discwing discussion, I understand you�ve heard that our Cruiseline polymer is ready to go. Well apart from those of you airing your views here, we have recently been receiving positive comments about the Quarter K and hearing excited anticipation regarding the Quarter K II. We are looking forward to getting the Cruiseline in your hands to start with and the KII will no doubt follow shortly. I would not even dream of commenting on the extra durability of the new Cruiseline plastic and it would not even cross my mind to mention that the Quarter K driver is still leading the way forward for max-distance over a year on from its release. As we fill out our range of discs it will become increasingly obvious that there is no other company that offers you the very best in smart design and the more you support our early products the quicker we can all get to benefit from the aerodynamic performance of Discwing Golf.

Sounds similar to the happy crap you were posting when the QK first came out. Too bad just about everyone who threw one of those around here (DeLaveaga) thought it sucked royally. Hell, I don't know one single NorCal player that throws a QK. What does that tell you???

Quit with your exaggerated claims until you actually produce something that players use! You overhyped the QK, don't make that mistake again!

-E

Is there even one single player on Tour (either USA or Europe) that even uses a QK???

Fool us once, shame on you.
Fool us twice, shame on us!

Sounds similar to the happy crap you were posting when the QK first came out. Too bad just about everyone who threw one of those around here (DeLaveaga) thought it sucked royally. Hell, I don't know one single NorCal player that throws a QK. What does that tell you???

Quit with your exaggerated claims until you actually produce something that players use! You overhyped the QK, don't make that mistake again!

-E


What would get you more distance? A QK or an Aero?

... Because this was his first try. He's excited. Let him be excited and don't tear him down for being happy about what he's doing with his plastic! He's having fun, he's trying to contribute to the sport he loves! If you don't like his superlatives, go away. There's no reason for the negativity without constructive support around here.


-Chris.

What would get you more distance? A QK or an Aero?

... Because this was his first try. He's excited. Let him be excited and don't tear him down for being happy about what he's doing with his plastic! He's having fun, he's trying to contribute to the sport he loves! If you don't like his superlatives, go away. There's no reason for the negativity without constructive support around here.


-Chris.



Well put. I love the way the QK feels in the hand, and even better, I got some of my longest throws out of it. Unfortunately, every time it touched the ground, it changed in flight. I managed to get the layers of the disc to seperate. It's still a really enjoyable disc when you're playing casual rounds because of how far it can go. I do hope that they have made a durable and slightly more stable version of it. If so, my surge may be in trouble. Maybe not as the more stable surge role is well filled by the Pulse.

Sounds similar to the happy crap you were posting when the QK first came out. Too bad just about everyone who threw one of those around here (DeLaveaga) thought it sucked royally. Hell, I don't know one single NorCal player that throws a QK. What does that tell you???

Quit with your exaggerated claims until you actually produce something that players use! You overhyped the QK, don't make that mistake again!

-E



This is a DiscWing thread. If you don't have any constructive comments, whats the point? If you were disappointed by a product, ask a specific question regarding the aspect of concern. Why discourage a manufacturer from even wanting to post here?

What would get you more distance? A QK or an Aero?

... Because this was his first try. He's excited. Let him be excited and don't tear him down for being happy about what he's doing with his plastic! He's having fun, he's trying to contribute to the sport he loves! If you don't like his superlatives, go away. There's no reason for the negativity without constructive support around here.


-Chris.



Well put. I love the way the QK feels in the hand, and even better, I got some of my longest throws out of it. Unfortunately, every time it touched the ground, it changed in flight. I managed to get the layers of the disc to seperate. It's still a really enjoyable disc when you're playing casual rounds because of how far it can go. I do hope that they have made a durable and slightly more stable version of it. If so, my surge may be in trouble. Maybe not as the more stable surge role is well filled by the Pulse.


I agree. A more durable QK would be in my bag in the same role as the Gateway/Odyssey Superlong Driver... something fun to rip (hand me any driver I'll find a way to throw it about 400 for fun!), something that could fill a niche role (that gateway thing is perfect for ONE particular hole at Rolling Hills... hehe) just through some experimentation later...

I'd love to get one.

Sounds similar to the happy crap you were posting when the QK first came out. Too bad just about everyone who threw one of those around here (DeLaveaga) thought it sucked royally. Hell, I don't know one single NorCal player that throws a QK. What does that tell you???

Quit with your exaggerated claims until you actually produce something that players use! You overhyped the QK, don't make that mistake again!

-E



This is a DiscWing thread. If you don't have any constructive comments, whats the point? If you were disappointed by a product, ask a specific question regarding the aspect of concern. Why discourage a manufacturer from even wanting to post here?



Because the superlatives & hyperbole have reached nauseating proportions. Until this guy puts a production disc in our hands with flight characteristics that match that of the hand-poured prototypes, the overhyped hoopla will not be tolerated.

Mr. Potts seems to think that because the first production run of Quarter K driver is at the top the Marshall Street and other disc flight guides for speed, it "is still leading the way forward for max-distance over a year on from its release." This logic is more foolish than swimming with stringrays. I defer to previous comments made here and agree that I've seen NO ONE who uses this disc with any regularity - it was a bust from a flight standpoint as well as durability issues.

Bottom line is that the disc golf world is looking for a disc that flies like the hand-poured prototpyes. If Mr. Potts had teamed up with an established disc manufacturer, his designs might be the primary drivers for disc golfers around the world and we'd have been throwing them years ago. Instead, as Mr. Potts self educates and goes through the 'Disc Manufacturing 101' learning curve, he will continue to experience the same setbacks, delays & failed production runs, while we all continue to endure the never-ending ballyhoo.

It is all very well being a disc manufacturing expert but it is the disc design expertise that is going to play a much bigger part in the future development of the golf disc. To my delight it was the realisation that disc design has not really moved on a whole lot in the past 20 years or so that got me started designing the Quarter K in the first place!!

I guess my point is that we all have stuff to learn and we at Discwing are catching up fast on the manufacturing side. But let me ask you this, what kind of product design are we to expect from the beloved market leaders, another 20 years of the same repetition, still using the ideas set out in 'disc aerodynamics 101'??

Well no one is going to take over the computer industry by introducing the Commodore 64. I don't care what hype they generate.

Another analogy would be that Mr. Potts has come up with a brilliant idea for the design of automobile that would revolutionize the car as the world knows it. But instead of selling his idea to Ford or Chevy or any of a number of automakers, he intends to manufacture his own automobiles. And in doing so, go through the same learning curve that automakers have more than 100 years of experience in.

Continuing the analogy, the first car he released was an Edsel, and the next generation was the Pinto. And though these cars are busts, all the while we are bombarded with advertisements in magazines and on the internet touting how great these cars are. :D

If and when a production run of disc is ever released that flies as far as the hand-poured prototypes, I will be the first in line to buy them. I will sing its praises far and wide; that, I promise. Until then, this is just nothing but sensationalist and self-aggrandizing tall talk.

Well no one is going to take over the computer industry by introducing the Commodore 64. I don't care what hype they generate.



I think it's better to compare the Discwing effort with that of NeXT computers.

A better analogy might be Preston Tucker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker) of Tucker Automobiles. Brilliant ideas, great original design, not enough money to follow through. Started preselling the cars and accessories to help pay for their manufacture.

The release of the first run Cruiseline Quarter K is upon us, followed shortly by the Quarter K II. So to whet your appetite Ive included an image of the first run Cruiseline QK below. It is thus far only available on the Discwing website and on Ebay.

http://www.discwing.com/images/Cruiseline_1stRun_160906_small.jpg

The release of the first run Cruiseline Quarter K is upon us, followed shortly by the Quarter K II. So to whet your appetite Ive included an image of the first run Cruiseline QK below. It is thus far only available on the Discwing website and on Ebay.

http://www.discwing.com/images/Cruiseline_1stRun_160906_small.jpg



{insert comment disparraging limited availability here}

Do you guys make a Putter ?

We have been working on a putter called the Crosshair and a mid-range / approach disc known as the Transcend. The design work is done and we await the release of the Quarter K II before scheduling the release of our putt and approach discs. Official copy included below:


TRANSCEND

The forthcoming Transcend� golf disc is designed for mid-range distance & approach play.

Just like our extremely successful debut Quarter K� driver, the Transcend� mid-range & approach disc is designed for the true professional, yet perfectly versatile for players at all skill levels.

The design combines precision aerodynamic shaping to improve performance with an ergonomic rim to mould pure comfort into the players� hand.

The glide efficiency of the Transcend� disc enables the golfer to ease off the release power. This ensures the player can focus on a smooth throwing action to achieve straight flight and maximum accuracy.

The rim surface curvature relaxes the players hand to ensure a naturally timed release and weighting of the shot.

The new Discwing� mid-range surpasses the current state of the art disc technology and goes beyond that of common experience. Transcend� gives you a naturally synchronized style of approach play that conveys the disc effortlessly to the target.


CROSSHAIR

Discwing� presents the Crosshair� golf disc, designed for short-range putting & approach play.

The Crosshair� putt & approach disc completes our debut golf product range and completes your game. It is both the professional�s disc of choice and the beginners� dream putter.

Crosshair� disc technology is the pinnacle of golf targeting. The application of scientific principles to the putter has resulted in a disc with absolute precision and narrow channelled directionality. This provides the golfer with an accuracy focused endgame.

The ergonomically designed rim comprises carefully blended lifting surfaces that relax the players� hand to ensure a naturally timed release and a perfectly weighted shot.

The new putter from Discwing� marks the target through the golfer�s keen eyes and hits the sweet-spot consistently. Crosshair� disc technology encourages a clearly focused throwing response, empowering the player to hole out with pinpoint accuracy.

Hi Jonny)
What is the difference between your first polymer Streamline and the new stuff Shockline, Baseline and Cruiseline?

Got to hand it to your marketing department:

It is both the professional�s disc of choice and the beginners� dream putter.


That's hilarious considering you are talking about a disc that hasn't even been produced. So, what professionals use this disc?

Got to hand it to your marketing department:

It is both the professional�s disc of choice and the beginners� dream putter.


That's hilarious considering you are talking about a disc that hasn't even been produced. So, what professionals use this disc?



Five years ago I was using a Wizard and people laughed at it because no one had thrown it yet. No big name pros were using it, but did that mean that it sucked?

Discwing is hardly a company, let alone possessing of a marketing dept. I bet Mr. Potts is the guy behind everything Discwing. He is trying to start something new that is very difficult to make money at, so it is likely he will not see dividends for years, if ever. His motives here are obvious; he is trying to get some buzz going about his new discs so that he can continue to trying to push for something new and better in disc golf. So what are your motives here? To criticize something new and unknown and promote the status quo? Once again, I say give the guy a break and promote our sport. :cool:

So what are your motives here? To criticize something new and unknown and promote the status quo? Once again, I say give the guy a break and promote our sport. :cool:


My motives are simple. The phrase I quoted was a straight out lie. If a disc has yet to be produced, how is it the top choice of pros? People bought into his hype the 1st time, and many of them will not be fouled again. I never said his discs suck, ever! I just think that if you want to make a product that changes the status-quo, do it with your discs, and not words. Talk is cheap, let the discs do the talking. Until they make a product that matches their hyped-up "words", I think he should keep his mouth shut and get back in the manufacturing facility. I was just calling him out for blatantly lying.

So what are your motives here? To criticize something new and unknown and promote the status quo? Once again, I say give the guy a break and promote our sport. :cool:


My motives are simple. The phrase I quoted was a straight out lie. If a disc has yet to be produced, how is it the top choice of pros? People bought into his hype the 1st time, and many of them will not be fouled again. I never said his discs suck, ever! I just think that if you want to make a product that changes the status-quo, do it with your discs, and not words. Talk is cheap, let the discs do the talking. Until they make a product that matches their hyped-up "words", I think he should keep his mouth shut and get back in the manufacturing facility. I was just calling him out for blatantly lying.



Whoa there chill out bro. For starters the proto QK and the Qk that most of us saw were pretty different discs, with the prior being more stable than the latter and latter still being a very good disc. Also your definition of top pros and his are different things. Those discs may be used by top pros in england because they arent available over hear yet. How long has it taken for people to be openly using wizards when a large percentage of team champion has said to me if they werent sponsored theyd be throwing them instead of aviars. So chill out, let the guy get some free ad space, and follow your sig, dont overthink things.

The QK has already ushered in a mini revolution in disc design. The rounded under edge of the wing (rim) seems to lessen drag, which means your disc slows down more slowly, which means you can throw it farther.

The same rounded edge appears on the Odyssey and the Inferno, and both of those discs fly much farther than it seems they ought to.

People like Jonny Potts are doing our sport a great service by introducing new innovations, and delays are to be expected when you're introducing a new mold and trying to find the right blend of plastics and production techniques that'll make it fly right.

Put me down in the "give the guy a break" column.

OK Guys, my bad. I'd like to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but all I'm hearing about Discwing is talk, talk, and more talk. I'm glad you brought up the Inferno.....a product that is living up to its billing, not an overhyped dx orc (QK).
If top pros in England are throwing the Transcend, or whatever its called, who are they? I would like to know. If it hasn't been made, then he's just lying. I don't understand how you can trust him.
I'll give the guy a break.....I just won't buy his product. I just think he needs to lay under the radar until he can back up what he "claims".

Put me down in the "give the guy a break" column.


I am with you!

From cad drawing to mold building and then polymer devlopment a lot can change.
Have you ever seen a conversation at a construction job site between an architect and a builder. What looks good on paper is not always going to work in production.

Johnny,
I for one can sympathise with you on manufacturing and production delays, but I do find it odd that you claim to know how a disc will fly before it has been molded and tested. In fact, it is nearly impossible to do this.

Have you produced any other discs besides the QK in the red and white TPO that you or players have thrown?

Like I said before I can help you get higher end plastics in your molds( even the QK) and would be willing to help.
If you have the drawings and some $$$$money$$$$ we could build a mold for you this week and have it ready to ship to people the next week.

I would love to see your concepts for disc design put into play in this game, we need more companies with proprietary discs, especially those with the marketing and advertisement skills you have.
I hope one day most players in England are using Disc wing discs.
:cool:

We have been working on a putter called the Crosshair and a mid-range / approach disc known as the Transcend. The design work is done and we await the release of the Quarter K II before scheduling the release of our putt and approach discs. Official copy included below:


TRANSCEND

The forthcoming Transcend� golf disc is designed for mid-range distance & approach play.

Just like our extremely successful debut Quarter K� driver, the Transcend� mid-range & approach disc is designed for the true professional, yet perfectly versatile for players at all skill levels.

The design combines precision aerodynamic shaping to improve performance with an ergonomic rim to mould pure comfort into the players� hand.

The glide efficiency of the Transcend� disc enables the golfer to ease off the release power. This ensures the player can focus on a smooth throwing action to achieve straight flight and maximum accuracy.

The rim surface curvature relaxes the players hand to ensure a naturally timed release and weighting of the shot.

The new Discwing� mid-range surpasses the current state of the art disc technology and goes beyond that of common experience. Transcend� gives you a naturally synchronized style of approach play that conveys the disc effortlessly to the target.


CROSSHAIR

Discwing� presents the Crosshair� golf disc, designed for short-range putting & approach play.

The Crosshair� putt & approach disc completes our debut golf product range and completes your game. It is both the professional�s disc of choice and the beginners� dream putter.

Crosshair� disc technology is the pinnacle of golf targeting. The application of scientific principles to the putter has resulted in a disc with absolute precision and narrow channelled directionality. This provides the golfer with an accuracy focused endgame.

The ergonomically designed rim comprises carefully blended lifting surfaces that relax the players� hand to ensure a naturally timed release and a perfectly weighted shot.

The new putter from Discwing� marks the target through the golfer�s keen eyes and hits the sweet-spot consistently. Crosshair� disc technology encourages a clearly focused throwing response, empowering the player to hole out with pinpoint accuracy.



Interesting.

I believe that was in DGWN like a year ago. :confused:

It was. I remember seeing it. One was green, and I think the other was blue.

I guess all I have to say about this is ... IF they ever show up, I will probably give them a try. Until then, I'll throw what I have. All the hype and advertising (which looks great BTW) doen't mean jack, if the product isn't available to test.
Will they be great? We'll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, there is a lot of great plastic coming out of Innova, Discraft and last but not least, Gateway. ;)

Put me down in the "I wish this guy would give US a break" column. Did any of you actually read this fluff? It is nausea-inducing.


Just like our extremely successful debut Quarter K� driver



By whose standards is the Quarter K "extremely successful?"


The rim surface curvature relaxes the players hand to ensure a naturally timed release and weighting of the shot.



"Relaxes the player's hand?" Did he really just actually say that? Come on!


Transcend� gives you a naturally synchronized style of approach play that conveys the disc effortlessly to the target.



Seriously, what is this guy smoking?


It is both the professional�s disc of choice and the beginners� dream putter.



As was pointed out, if the disc doesn't exist yet, how is it the professional�s disc of choice?


Crosshair� disc technology is the pinnacle of golf targeting. The application of scientific principles to the putter has resulted in a disc with absolute precision and narrow channelled directionality. This provides the golfer with an accuracy focused endgame.



"Narrow channelled directionality?" "Accuracy focused endgame?" This tripe is worse than the corporate buzzwords that the bigwigs at my Fortune 500 company endlessly spew.

These marketing releases are pure overembellishment - intended to sound fancy, but only serve to aggravate and annoy, and hide the lack of real substance behind them.

When this guy actually gets a viable disc into players' hands and it is well recieved, he can sound off all he wants. If the discs are that good, I will lead the parade of praise.

Until then, I hope people continue to call out this balderdash for what it is.

ive heard so much about the QK 1 some people hate it some people love it im a sucker for these type of discs so i just orederd one. and
Ps: never try the Epic it just sucks

I just wanted to fire this thread up again.....on the discwing site it shows the QK2 coming out this month in only 5 days....yet I have heard nothing about it. My guess is that they will set it back to Nov 15th....this is what they have been doing since the first time I checked in July. Do us a favor please. Put UNKNOWN as the release date. It is quickly getting to the point where I no longer care when it is coming out. Don't get me wrong I will support ANY company that comes out with a new DG disc because they are trying to support me. But this is getting rediculous.

Peace
Scott

looks like another delay Available December 1st 2006 is now the new date

I bought the original and it's now a key disc in my bag. It got beat up and looks like hell but it's a great righty turnover, long distance driver for me now. I just let it rip nice and flat and it has a consistant, predictable left to right flight pattern. I get 300 feet out of it and it fades right the whole time.

OK i just got the cruseline QK1 and it is awsome i love it i can throw is a mile its just stable enough and i love it it goes and goes has great glide my go to driver is an elite z crush at around 370-380 normal drive i throw the Qk1 any where from 360- 410 i have heard a lot of peoople trashing this disc but i love it. It has earnde a place in my bag for sure

Put me down in the "I wish this guy would give US a break" column. Did any of you actually read this fluff? It is nausea-inducing.
for what it is.



I felt that the role of the moderator was to make sure no trashing of individuals went on. I, for one, am sick of seeing ads for discs that seem to spend months in production. Perhaps this is brought on by me actually wanting a disc that will fly further than any other disc, and Mr. Potts keeps dangling this carrot in front of my face but I never get a bite. I see nothing wrong with trying to figure all this stuff out on his own, since he'll make bank if he finally does, but I am frustrated as hell that I can't find a disc that actually turns my crap throws into effortless throws at the target. Perhaps some constructive criticism for Mr. Potts could be: go ahead and blow us away with "channeled directionality" and "absolute precision," but please exercise caution when teasing us about these things. You're bringing out our deepest insecurities when you talk about discs that actually fly towards the basket, since few of us can actually make that happen. Just give us the discs and let us decide.