Get ready for a big , I mean BIG surprize when you throw one of these babies.
This disc is the fastest flying most controllable driver with the longest glide Ive ever seen.

Can we order them directly from the shop?

These really sound like some cool disc can't wait to see them and test them out.

Straight from the shop for now, but we will be getting them out to distributors today.

Have your favorite distributor give us a call or call the shop your self if you cant wait!
314 487 5204 or email me david@gdstour.com if you can pay by pay pal.

You have 150-class?

is it approved yet? flight characteristics/comparison?

Wraith'ish...but with better glide and easier to control.

Wraith'ish...but with better glide and easier to control.


So more like a faster pro starfire?? sounds good to me. :)

rim width?

I would classify the rim width to be a bit wider than a pro starfire.

I would say that the Inferno has some similarities of the Pro Starfire and the Wraith...only better!!! :D

Picture ?

Or picture of disc profile ?

I would say a brand new pro starfire is a fair comparison, but this moves faster. A little bit wider rim, and domier also. For me, the Inferno was just a hair slower than my wraiths, but had a lot more late glide in the flight. It kinda just kept going forward instead of tailing off. Havent thrown it in anything but calm conditions or a tailwind yet.

Is it possible to get this to your sponsored players for this weekend in the shipments with the tourney discs?

This disc is really needed on the course that I will be playing......PLEASE.PLEASE

I agree, I would definitely like to have that disc in my bag for big D.

I would love to get a few of these my way as well, there is the 75% chance I will be down this weekend for the gateway open so hopefully I can get a few there

I'm guessing that a Wraith's rim is a tad wider than a Starfire's...anyone?

bingo. wraith/t-rex/venom/flick/spectre/illusion/spirit/sp demon are all about tied for the widest i believe...

Not even close. The widest rim (even at it's narrowest point) is the Epic. :cool:

The Epic is a freak, it doesn't count.

The Gateway crew came to one of our club tournys this past week-end (Nikko won) and demo'd the new INFERNO.....I bought 4...these babies seem to 'S' all by themselves....what distance!!!!

Just threw them today for the first time. They go really far with very litle effort. They will instantly go in my bag.

I heard they blow the Devil Hawk out of the water!!! :p

Wow, they do go far. I normally throw about 350 max and I threw a few shots that had to be well beyond 380 with controlled hyzer! The stability is nice. They will flip up and run but aren't "flippy". I got on it as hard as I could without yanking it and kept it on hyzer, it just kept penetrating forward. Nice driver Dave I hope it doesn't change. Two of them are in the bag.

If I can get a pic up I will...

I heard they blow the Devil Hawk out of the water!!! :p



Don't be silly now /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

just what i heard.... I dont believe it either /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

After intitial prototyping of the mold in michigan the devil hawk mold was sold to a company in Great Britain.
I hear they are coming out with it in several new plastics.The name will be changed to the devil wing :confused: :D

Shawn,
Did you just use the Infernos on the course or were you able to get a chance to throw any Distance shots with them?

Think mine should be in today or Monday can't wait to go test them out at the football field when they come in.

What plastic are they in - and what weight ranges?

hey JUSTIN....

Think mine should be in today or Monday can't wait to go test them out at the football field when they come in.



You'll need more room than a football field boy! What up? My Inferno's will arrive next week.

sounds like I will have them Monday. Doc your on the shortlist of first dibs. :D

I got stacks already, and have been throwing the Proto all week.

On a slightly downhill hole, I put it out around 500...into a slight headwind.

The only problem Ive had with this disc is Im trying to kill it and just need to put it out there. When thrown with a smooth release and a tad hyser, they go VERY far.

IMO, Gateways best driver to date and probably the disc that changes the way people look at the company. Very nice job David.

Getting high praise so far. As the inventor/designer of the Devil Hawk, David I'd appreciate it if you sent me one to test (free of course) to compare the two. :D

Just got the inferno today and it is great! This disc adds distance to my drives and is definitely going in the bag.

I've had a few issues as well trying to kill this thing. If you don't throw it like a monkey on crack this baby soars.

Dave...I cleared the ravine with it on that course I took you to last time you were up.

And I have to agree with Chase again that this will definitely be the disc that will turn heads towards the Gateway product line.

I've had a few issues as well trying to kill this thing. If you don't throw it like a monkey on crack this baby soars.

Dave...I cleared the ravine with it on that course I took you to last time you were up.

And I have to agree with Chase again that this will definitely be the disc that will turn heads towards the Gateway product line.



what course in des moines?

Southwoods...not too many people have played. Hole 6 is a sweet one.

how new is it, i lived up there for like 2 years and don't remember there being a southwoods.

sounds like I will have them Monday. Doc your on the shortlist of first dibs. :D


The lighter the better for me...thanks Q!

how new is it, i lived up there for like 2 years and don't remember there being a southwoods.



It's been in the ground since 2000.

how do these compare to the screams?

Do you guy's still have some available?

I would say they are a bit less overstable than the Screams.

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We want some too please, we ran out of this hot disc!

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OMG I finally got to throw the inferno last night. I was throwing them and pro wraith. the pro wraith was going on line at about 20 feet high for about 450... the inferno I could not get released high enough they were coming out at about 12-15 feet and flying as far and a few a little further than the pro wraith.

The one golf shot I got to throw it on I was 35 deep on a 425 hole this disc just screams long.......

I will be getting more for sure.

thanks Dave you filled the last gap in my gateway only bag for sure.

Wow is the only thing that I can say about these disc I couldn't believe it. We had about 2 inches of rain today and just as the rain stops the ups guy shows up with my package with these disc and I had to go try them. I went out to a field and just watched these things fly I only brought them out because I wanted to see them a lot. I was throwing a lot of different shots hyzers low shots and high shots and all were very successful. I was really amazed in the s that these things have they are just the right under and overstable to get some big shots out of. I really am happy with how they are and they are already in my bag they are for sure going to take over the roll of the illusions and probably even the beat in spirit because these things are just so long and hyzer when I need and anhyzer when I need so don't know yet though.

We gave up hyperbole a million years ago, and I personally have never been much for hype of any kind, but...

Holy Crap! This might be the best disc ever.

Took it out into the Christmas tree field yesterday with some buddies before Maple Hill league.

I was intrugued already, after hearing Justin Bunnell extol its virtues. He used terms like "farthest-flying," and "most-controllable." This kind of talk is pretty normal for company reps, but not Justin. Justin's usual "endorsements" of new Gateway products sound more like "(big pause)...they're okay."

Still, how much farther can disc technology push past the Quarter K? I was thinking. I took a Champion Orc and a Z Surge along for comparison, and out the door we went.

First I tossed the Champion Orc to about where Timmy Walsh was standing, maybe 320 feet away. Then the Z Surge, which is a little more understable than the Orc, and it landed about 320 feet away as well. Good clean S-curve rips both.

Then I gave the Evolution Inferno a huck, and Timmy just watched it sail over his head, past the back line of the DDC court, into Fairway 12, about 80 feet farther than both the Orc and Surge. And Timmy looked at where it landed, then slowly turned his head toward me, looking like my hair was snakes on fire and he might turn to stone unless he started blinking real fast.

"Nice shot," he said, in a weird tone that sounded more like "How did you do THAT!"

Aaron and Marshall were there, and one of them said the only thing you can say when a noodle-arm like mine starts pushing the 400-foot barrier: "Holy Crap!"

Which I later repeated to Justin on the phone, as I ordered another batch of those beauties.

"Told you," Justin said. You sure did.

Anyway, we have them right here. If you order one today we'll ship it right away, and you'll have it in a couple days: http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=inferno%5Fe

Note: Use is currently restricted in some parts of the U.S. as a fire hazard (Rock Hill, Walled Lake, Rancho) :D

Weight range please.

The under edge of the wing or rim is rounded, or "radiused." Seems to lessen drag, which is probably true and, aerodynically speaking, certainly over my head -- sort of like my drive over Timmy's.

Good joke Chuck. Clever clever boy.

Have one 171, and a bunch of 173s and 174, but by Monday I'll have the full range all the way down to 166 grams. Wanna feel my muscle?

Wanna feel my muscle?



I thought we agreed to never use this line in public.

I thought you agreed never to reveal that you had conversations like that in private.

I have one at 176, so they go at least that high.

Tested mine yesterday...............definately flies far, as far as anything else I have (Wraith, Starfire, Orc). It was easy to turnover and it hyzered back at the end. My only worry is that it will get beat up and become useless rather quickly, but only time will tell. Good disc but I don't think it will be a permanent addition to my bag.

Dave was thinking about beefing up the plastic for greater durability. It is really big on hyzerflip lines considering it goes farther then my Illusions on a distance line. I still am having trouble getting it to flex out of a distance line but when I figure it out it will be huge.

Currently the farthest flying golf disc on the market.

What would it take for the Inferno to make it in your ine up?

I'm looking forward to checking one out this weekend when I see the Gateway South boys...I have an old E Blaze I'm sure somebody(Kevin Ulshafer) wants to trade me an Inferno for. :D

The inferno is definitely going in my bag but if you made it just a little more stable then it would definitely be money but I do love it. Going for three in a row with Gateway plastic. Hope the Inferno will propel me to that next win.

Tested mine yesterday...............definately flies far, as far as anything else I have (Wraith, Starfire, Orc). It was easy to turnover and it hyzered back at the end. My only worry is that it will get beat up and become useless rather quickly, but only time will tell. Good disc but I don't think it will be a permanent addition to my bag.



I don't see these things getting any worse as they beat in. Yes I have only had mine for 1 day but I went out to the football field again throwing with about a 2-3mph wind nothing big you know I was skipping them off the track hitting the fence and one time I even hit the upright when I was throwing them. I had a few shots go over 400 and these things are just best disc I ever threw.

What would it take for the Inferno to make it in your ine up?


Don't worry its already in mine line I took out my illusions this thing is no comparison to them at all so much farther

Justin,
I would take out all of your overstable stuff, one day you might have aheadwind blowing in your face and Youll need it!
Glad youre liking the Infernos,.

CHris good luck going for the 3 bagger, we ill have a slightly beefier version but not too much, Players are really digging the penetration and Glide wih the Zero fade!

I will get to try one this Sunday, but sight unseen don't tweak it more overstable there are 1,000,000 discs that are stable to overstable already. :eek:

Justin,
I would take out all of your overstable stuff, one day you might have aheadwind blowing in your face and Youll need it!
Glad youre liking the Infernos,.



I left in the spirits just for the reason with the wind. Just the infernos blow away the beat in illusions and beat spirit but the spirits are going to stay in because of the wind factor.

The infernos also have great grip which just makes these disc even better.

Thanks Dave, A slightly more overstable version would be great, not to overstable but with enough stability that you can stand on it and not have it flip hard.

hey justimmain...u work for OAKLley..or just love it.

hey justimmain...u work for OAKLley..or just love it.

Just imagine... GateWay discs coming out with Oakley designed auto-rangefinder sunglasses... so you ALWAYS know just how far that last putt you missed was. ;)

IMo the retooled E speed demon are a much better wind disc than the Spirit, spirits sometimes flip, speed demons are true to their line.

Threw one last night at about 45 foot high big hyzer flip to about 475 way way past anything else, and that was into a right to left headwind...

Once again

David McCormick you are my disc golf superhero... thanks for the INFERNO@!!!!!!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D

hey justimmain...u work for OAKLley..or just love it.



I'm sponsored by them also have a friend that knew the state rep and when I went to talk to them they said we would see how things would go I have been sponsored by them since like the first week in July its pretty cool.

I'll give one of mine a toss tomorrow, the one with the newspaper stain across the top.

Very nice into a 15 mph headwind. I really like the texture feel around the rim. Good job.

IMo the retooled E speed demon are a much better wind disc than the Spirit, spirits sometimes flip, speed demons are true to their line.


Willie, we sent Shane some infernos, has he let you throw any?

Someone posted on another forum that you need a lot of skill to throw this disc. Well you need a lot of skill to throw any disc CONSISTENT, but the inferno is actually prett forgiving for such a fast disc.
Here is my reply:

I wouldnt say you have to have mad skills to be able to bomb the Inferno.
I've seen players with little or no skill throw this disc farther than anything they have ever thrown.
Yes players with more power need to learn a light hyzer release, maybe thats what big daddy is talking about.

Our sales of the inferno the last 2 weeks have been simply incredible.
The news about this disc has been traveling fast, even die hard innova guys are giving it some test flys.

The blend we put together is important to the flight as a fast disc like this one can be very sensitive to shape.
We hope to be able to put together a batch that is a little more firm on the wing without losing the perfect dome.
We will also be running some S at the end of the week, which has been requested several times already.

I think George Smith used it quite often this past weekend in Des Moines for his B-tier win at Walnut Ridge. He said there was a lot of people asking him about the disc.

Bottom line is the inferno is HOT HOT HOT!!!!

no he ahsnt recieved them as of yet.

Will just call the shop, its never too late to return from the darkside. :cool:

I was checking out the http://questat.com/ homepage looking at the pic promoting the inferno, i dont wanna be an #$*&$!, but doesnt that seem a bit bias being all gateway players, would they say anything bad about it? If you got a random advanced or am nonsponsored player i think it'd be better, just my opinion from a nonbias standpoint

and i havent tried the inferno yet, hard to get em here in Alabama.(people here have to travel great distances to get gateway stuff)

I was checking out the http://questat.com/ homepage looking at the pic promoting the inferno, i dont wanna be an #$*&$!, but doesnt that seem a bit bias being all gateway players, would they say anything bad about it? If you got a random advanced or am nonsponsored player i think it'd be better, just my opinion from a nonbias standpoint



It's an advertisement, not a random player sampling. Why wouldn't they use their sponsored players? Do you think Discraft would ask Feldberg what he thinks of a Predator?
Plenty of non-sponsored players have sung the praises of the Inferno on the board.

This ad is the beginning of a campaign to promote our sponsored players. By coincidence we have a new Disc that ALL of our players think is awesome, so we decided to use our Top Pros words and run with it.
I would love to put together an ad using recreational players who are saying the disc is helping their game.
We are having great success with sales of the disc and pretty much all of the feedback has been positive.

The best thing about the Inferno is you dont have to be a top player to make it work well for you.
It is the epitome of STABLE,( straight flying and landing) that fine line between under and overstable that is making the disc perform so well for players.
I played a course yesterday that required long straight shots of 350-500' and the discs flight was almost unbelievable and Ive had the disc for 3 weeks now.
Its stability is the same over a VERY WIDE RANGE of speeds and trajectory, which is hard to accomplish in a high speed driver.

I'm an Innova thrower, since 1984. I have tried a few Gateway discs. The Inferno is one that I do like and it fits my throw. Also, it was nice to finally out drive one of the guys from my group this weekend with the Inferno over his Wraith.

Keep up the good work Dave.

Dave,
The Big Dual in the Desert is next month out here at the NV / CA border. Maybe you can get Carey Trotter to throw the Inferno for Gateway??

Were working with cary, he has helped us get some discs in players hands out west.
He is a great guy and someone we would love to have on our touring team next year.
I know he has Some infernos and talked with him some today about them and some of the new discs we are going to make.

He is a big tee bird guy and that is something we will be working on soon.

Who is running the event, maybe we can offer a sponsorship special to them for the players pack.

http://discgolfvalues.com/BigDVII.htm

Just got my order in for a few Infernos. Really looking forward to them getting here in a couple days. For those of you who have thrown them, what type of throw are you finding works best with this disc? Straight flat, annie S, or hyzer flip? Any changes in grip needed?

For those of you who have thrown them, what type of throw are you finding works best with this disc? Straight flat, annie S, or hyzer flip? Any changes in grip needed?


I've been throwing it flat and letting it flip and glide. It comes real nicely without a harsh tail-off.
I like the feel of the wing, comes of the fingers smooth. NO change in my grip (modified power grip/birdie grip).

Dave - One thing, only thrown it for about 3 rounds, and it has about a 1/4" slice in the rim after one hard hit off a tree. All the other Evo plastic I've thrown would have withstood a semi-truck running over it. Is this something with the mold or is the plastic different?

It is a touch more overstable than a sidewinder with similar distance. (Long)

I've been throwing it now for about three weeks I think. Hyzer flip is the way to go if you have enough juice. Big hyzer flip disc. If not...throwing it flat works nicely too. I have tried throwing it reverse-s but it doesn't want to come out of the annie.

Try throwing it anny about 60 feet high and see what happens :eek: :cool:

For those of you who have thrown them, what type of throw are you finding works best with this disc? Straight flat, annie S, or hyzer flip? Any changes in grip needed?


I've been throwing it flat and letting it flip and glide. It comes real nicely without a harsh tail-off.
I like the feel of the wing, comes of the fingers smooth. NO change in my grip (modified power grip/birdie grip).

Dave - One thing, only thrown it for about 3 rounds, and it has about a 1/4" slice in the rim after one hard hit off a tree. All the other Evo plastic I've thrown would have withstood a semi-truck running over it. Is this something with the mold or is the plastic different?


The plastic mix is pretty much the same, but the nose on this disc is a lot sharper than anything we have produced so far. The sharp chiseled nose is one of the reasons it is going so far. We will eventually run some that are a little stiffer, but for now they are flying so far that We dont really want to mess with the mix.
I have had one in my bag for a while and it is flying pretty much the same as it was from the styart, but I go to an E or S illusion if I think there could be a big tree in the path.
The Illusion has a really beefy nose for how fast it is.

I usually dont need an extra 40 feet too often unless it is a par 4 but can always use some control. Thats what is so GREAT about this disc, I can back off to 60-70% power and the stability doesnt change that much for me. I have a very smooth clean release and rarely any off axis rotation, which helps.

I went back out to the football field with these things just to test them out some more before my tournament this weekend and I still can not get enough of these things. They go so far with little effort. I had a very light wind again and no matter the head or tail wind these things are mad deep. The one thing I like about these disc is you have to give them height to get the full throw out of them you can throw them on a laser beam but more height is more d. I have hit roads,trees, nad fences with this thing and there is nothing wrong with it yet.

Dave,

After testing, here's what three sponsored players noted

Jared Pennington & Justin Bougher - loved them for huge annys - both were able to boom over 30 ft over trees and over drive a 450 ft. hole while giving them birdies on holes where mosts players bogied

myself - I lit these things up and bombed. I like the design and feel. With some practice, I could probably gets these over 550.

Jqason,
Glad to hear the inferno is working for you and that you got some to Justin Bougher, thi is a disc he really needed to round out his game.
Where was Devan the Dude?
I'd like to know if this disc can handle the power of the dude :confused: :cool:

The Dude was working, as a cart pusher at Wal-Mart.

Devan will probably have a hard time getting them out of the anny (which I have too). If the were slightly more stable (and I mean slightly more) they would come out and helix better for us big arms.

I was using for monster anny's with no return helix.

I was checking out the http://questat.com/ homepage looking at the pic promoting the inferno, i dont wanna be an #$*&$!, but doesnt that seem a bit bias being all gateway players, would they say anything bad about it? If you got a random advanced or am nonsponsored player i think it'd be better, just my opinion from a nonbias standpoint

and i havent tried the inferno yet, hard to get em here in Alabama.(people here have to travel great distances to get gateway stuff)



<font color="red">So we took this Inferno out into the Christmas tree field on Hole 14. I threw my Orc about 320 feet, right about where Timmy Walsh was standing. Then I threw my Z Surge, which went about the same distance but a little more to the right. Then I threw the Inferno. Timmy just watched it sail over his head and past him about 80 feet. Then the rest of us proceeded to throw this disc a country mile multiple times. Let's put it into perspective: this disc flies farther than any other disc, with the possible exception of the Quarter K and maybe the Mirus. And it is the most durable of the three by far. Put another way, if the Wraith is an 11, the Inferno is a 13. Like I said, Oh...My...God!

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I only got to throw an original Quarter K a couple times, but does the inferno have the same inside grip feel? Nice disc. Will it make a huge impact?

I think it has already made a huge impact! :D:cool:

I cant wait to throw mine on friday!!

well, i'm gonna order one from GatewaySouth once the money gets in my paypal account, soon i should be throwing all gateway, (i wonder if i can get a black one, i got a black wizard, e element that i have been using as a "duo" lol.

Its funy you should say that, we just ran Black infernos today, I hear they even fly farther.

Jen at Gateway south probably doesnt have any black, but we can make sure to get her some.

Thanks, I'll have to try and make a special request :)
btw, what stamp does that run have on it?

What all colors are the Infernos in now? The infernos I have just have the word inferno on them but the stamp doesn't make the disc to me its how far these things fly. I got another football game I have to work tonight and before the game I'm bringing this babies out there to get some more bombs out of them before this weekend. These disc are truely amazing.

Thanks, I'll have to try and make a special request :)
btw, what stamp does that run have on it?



Mine just say "Gateway/Quest Prototype."

These things amaze me even more and more today I had about a 5-8 mph wind while I was throwing at the football field. The higher and got these things and got them nose down they would just sail. I had a man watching me when I would throw them with the tail wind I told him to stand where ever my fatherst one lands and we measured it to be about 440. These things are just insane. The thing I have to add in is I had some people try and throw them and it was their first time throwing disc ever. Besides the fences track uprights and road they hit the bleaches with them and all this and there is still nothing wrong with the disc.

Justin, you sound really excited, check you Pm inbox.

Dave I checked it and like I said I'm sorry about that I'm going to be checking more.

I went to a tournament today and threw the Inferno so much I don't even know what to say. During the distance contest (they did it in some weird field with a pond to the left so you really never trust your shots.) but I was able to get them 402 with the rain coming down. This course was a really low covered course so I was not able to air them out. I still got a lot of good birdies with it and they have a sweet s even without a lot of power. I hit 2 trees about 40ft off the tee box when I didn't turn them over enough and they looked like they tacoed when they hit. You know what there is nothing wrong with them even after they hit the trees I think they flew farther. It was also raining at this tournament like it sounds was a lot over. I also haven�t been able to do a lot of putting like I wanted to and it was weird half the round I made about 100% of the putts and the other half I was luck to make 20% it really sucked. All and all it was a good tournament and a lot of people loved the Inferno.

When do mine come? lol

Good things come to those that wait.
I saw that Justin sent them out on wednesday, so I'm guessing Monday or Tuesday.

i just got an inferno this weekend at a tournement. first throw went over350 easy. tried some low level lines still well over 300'. i can't wait to get to a field and really let it rip. my opinion.....best driver gateway has made,

Thanks for the kind words on the Inferno.
Have you thrown ALL of our discs?
We have a lot of really underrated discs, hopefully our "latest" technological advancements will turn more players on to those of ours in the "past".

The Inferno/ Scream surely round out the line-up, especially for those that need extra Distance, but the Sabre/Blaze & Illusion/Spirit combo of drivers have given our team members quite a few wins over the last few years.

I could see the sabre/blaze combo being a really good combo of disc. Sitting here thinking I don't know of a course that I played at before warming up that if I would only throw the sabre blaze and wizard I couldn�t learn every shot out there.


I really see what you were talking about Dave I couldn't figure out exactly what I was saying when I read it in Word.

Thanks to the blaze, almost all the holes here in town that are around 300ft have become automatic birdie's. Gateway discs are just so predictable once you learn them.

For windy conditions the blaze is an AWESOME mid-range hyzer or S disc, especially INTO the wind!!!

Alright got mine today and the consensus from the people who also threw it was WOW. Ever see 70' of distance get added to a drive cause i did today. 14yr old kid through a 420 hole under the basket with one, his previous longest deuce was a 350ft hole with a wraith. This disc is weird though, ill mishit or get a bad angle and it still does the shot I intended believe it or not. This thing bombs!!! im guessing close to 40 or so feet added. I threw 410-20 on average before this thing, of my distance throws ( I only throw golf shots i cant throw that 360 distance or huge flex shots stuff, my shortest was 400 on an overflipped anyhzer. The longest 475, ive never ripped one soo far in my life. Wow. No reports on durability yet though. And as others said would have liked a tad more stability.

I take it Shane also got his, I saw he called, but was busy on the other line.

Glad to hear it gave you some added Distance!

Just got one from Marshall Street. I only got a chance to throw it a few times on flat ground, but I threw it as far as I have ever thrown any disc. .. jury still out. .. will report back after a more complete workout.

A more stable sidewinder in my book, same D (which is impressive).

I ilke to use the disc where I used to use sabers for long Hyzer all the way, but others here are using it for flat flying shots. It really pounds forward while its flat, especially over the 350 mark.

A more stable sidewinder in my book, same D (which is impressive).



Horrible comparison IMO -

The Inferno is a long range driver not a gimmick disc that requires a lot of float.

How many big arms own a Sidewinder - Zero
How many regular arms own a Sidewinder - Less and less each day when they discover the Inferno.

A more stable sidewinder in my book, same D (which is impressive).



Horrible comparison IMO -

The Inferno is a long range driver not a gimmick disc that requires a lot of float.

How many big arms own a Sidewinder - Zero
How many regular arms own a Sidewinder - Less and less each day when they discover the Inferno.

I can think of a couple big arm's that own a sidewinder here in OKC~~~ Coda, Me, Ronald Tyler ( 539 feet at Okie state's),I think even Jared threw Sidewinder's before he went Gateway.

Sidewinder's are excellent when you have a tight tunnel shot, big anhyzer or when you have to get a roller down really quickly.

Jojo - When I talk about big arms I am not talking about one's inability to be buff. :D

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We just got the "S" Infernos (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3131-SINF) in along with the sleek, Midnight Black "E" Infernos (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3133-EINFB).

The "S" are noticeably flatter, curious as what that will do for flight characteristics and the black ones feel pretty nice in the hand.

I've been throwing my white "E" Inferno for a couple of weeks now and it's definitely part of the bag at this point; easy to grip, easy to throw, easy to control. Hats off to Dave and Steve on this one.

sounds like a super long range mix of a valk in the fore flight and wraith at the end of the flight

Flights on those dave?

The more I throw these things, the more I fall in love. At first, I thought it was the typical hype that every new discs gets, but as I experiment more, I see what everyone's been talking about. Extremely forgiving, plenty of distance and incredibly penetrating during the last 25% of the flight. Maybe I'm just in the "courting" period with this disc, but I don't have anything bad to say about it yet. To me, it's more of a Wraith during the early part of flight, then an SL during the low speed portion (if you want to make a comparison to Innova discs, which most people know best). Thanks for the great disc. :)

No doubt that this disc is Gateway's best innovation yet. I have been experimenting with it for a few days now and I am reaching pins I never though possible. The disc is just amazing how it gets level off of the hyzer-flip and just stays there, not to mention the glide and speed. I had a couple yesterday that went at least 430-440' only 10 feet off of the ground. Trust me, if you try one, it will go right in your bag. My Illusions are now officialy strictly roller discs!

You know...it's kind of funny you say that...cause that is what my E-Illusions have become too. I have a really beat up E-Inferno that I started having issues with trying to keep in the air because it was just turning right over...but I found out I had a small glitch in my motion...and now it is a sweet hyzer flip for tunnel shots. Loving this beat up one now.

I may have to order an S-Inferno from Sun King to give it a try as well. A flatter top seems like it might make this thing an even better control driver...granted it will have a bit less glide...but...this disc has some glide to spare. You know what I mean??? :D

The glide scale should now go to 11 :D

We just got some black ones in and will test flying them this afternoon. Can't wait!

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I only threw Todd's inferno once yesterday and it was amazing. Can't wait for him to get his shippment in! This disc very well may be the best driver on the market today.

Dave,

How do the "S" Infernos differ from the "E" versions? I'm digging the "E" but I just ordered some "S" from Sun King (I prefer base plastic), and I'm hoping these will be even sweeter. Thanks.

I am really liking the inferno, the plastic is great, I also perfer baseline plastic for D drivers, but this E feels similar to discraft X or innova Pro, and is already proving its E in durability. Is the rim alittle textured on all of them, there seems to be a fine fibery texture I like it its grippy. does it have an effect on flight? I second the how do they fly in baseling plastic?
First disc to come close to threatening my Avengers, and I already like gatewy ;-)
thanks for the great disc dave

I'm not Dave...but yes...all the Inferno's so far has what I would call "mini" dimple technology on the wing.

Dave,

How do the "S" Infernos differ from the "E" versions? I'm digging the "E" but I just ordered some "S" from Sun King (I prefer base plastic), and I'm hoping these will be even sweeter. Thanks.



I'm not sure about this but I got in some E's yesterday and heres what I think. The E's are flatter top than the S is the only thing noticeable besides the plastic of course.

justin is that right? you mean the S Infernos are more domey than the E infernos??? Can that even be right?

In the listing on Sun King, Mike says that the "S" are flatter than the "E." Both E's I got have ridiculous domes on them, and I would love something a bit flatter.

mine definately has a bit of dome to it (and so did all the ones I looked at). I am thinking he may have mixed up, unless he got S first, because his post insinuates it

WOW thanks for all the great reviews.

I didnt know we ran enough S to ship.
I threw some of the S Infernos and YES they are flatter, but the wing actually has a little concave on them, giving it more resistance to turn.
I wasnt in a field or anything, but my guess is they are also a bit faster with less glide.
Hopefully people are realizing that "DOME" is what makes a disc go far especially really far.


I wouldnt consider the dome ridiculous at all, they feel really comfortable in my hand, but then again so does the sabre. :confused:

Take the inferno and lay it upside down on a table next to a proline wraith, I think you will see they are prety close to the same dome hieght.

We should have the retooled Scream ready to go by next week.
We will be using the same beautiful top of the inferno with a more Spirit-like wing
It will be the slightly more overstable version of the Inferno. It will/should, have more resistance to turn for wind conditions ,but hopefully the same style of glide.

BTW,
The Micro dimples on the top and bottom of the wing are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. They reduce drag at the leading edge allowing the disc to SLIP through the air better.

You can go to the home page of our site to see other techinical information on the Inferno. www.gdstour.com (http://www.gdstour.com)

Thanks Dave. The "S" sound awesome. A little more high speed stable and faster is just what I need for those long low ceiling shots.

I don't know what the first 2 are that I got then only reason I only figured they were S since they were not labeled, also don't feel like the E plastic they feel more �S.� The 3 that I got in yesterday are for sure E though since they are labeled, but to me they are pretty flat. I�m going to test them out in a little bit and see how they fly compared to the others.

I wouldnt consider the dome ridiculous at all, they feel really comfortable in my hand, but then again so does the sabre. :confused:




Idk dave the inferno is the only "wide rimmed" driver that has felt comfortable to me at all. For a while all Ive thrown for max D is avengers because the grip is comfy and theyre predictable.

The S Infernos sound like they will break in beautfully, I really like sable discs broken in (much more than understable from the box). Its not official but it looks like I may be changing drivers.

picked up 2 white 173g in the evolution proline plastic today. two words: STRAIGHT and LONG. i am by no means a big arm (flat ground no wind i can consistently reach 350-375 and occasionally i can get close to 400') but i was able to the first throw go about 380 very slight down hill. the flight on this disc is amazing. its slightly high speed understable (-.5, -1) and has virtually no fade at the end and flexes for a long time (kind of teebird/valkyire-ish). definitly no hard hook back. the "micro-dimple tech" feels great on the hand, grip wise, i have no idea if it does anything.

TWO THUMBS UP

We just ran another batch of Infernos last week.
We now have some blue and Black( a little more beefy) and a more traditional feeling Evolution run of white.
The flight characteristics betwen the runs are realatively the same.'The only run that is noticably different is a less solid color of white, (kinda translucent) that are a bit flatter on top and puffy on the wing. they are faster and flip up a bit and also fade a bit more than the others.
There were only about 400 of these ran( 200 or so left) compared to over 6000 of the other solid color runs.

The Inferno has been our best selling disc with this late summer surge of sales ,they are flying off the shelf and adding distance to almost every single person that has thrown them.

In some new devlopments;
We retooled the Scream this weekend using the top of the inferno with a Spirit-ish wing.
This NEW version of the Scream should be a nice compliment to the inferno ( like the wraith/Tee-rex) as it will hopefully have more resistance to turn, similar glide and a bit of fade at the end.

We should be running them in the morning at the chicago plant, while we go back to production on Glow Supersoft wizards down here in St Louis.

There are SUPER GLOW Odyssey True-Line putters availble now and they glow really bright!

Got Mine saturday, GatewaySouth has very fast shipping, it's a 171, i threw it on hole 18 here for the 1st ever throw with it, The hole has woods to the Left and slightly open on the right, I threw it flat it s'd some (after it hit some leaves) and went around 325.
The hole was in the Long position, but the "short" one is 350, I was as close as i was with any other shot i've done on that hole, I think thats great for the 1st throw with a new disc, if i can get more expirence with it i think it'll be a great driver, Need to try it in an open field and see how far i can go with it,

Now i got a Black Wizard, Element, and Inferno. Nice job Gateway!


btw, how many of the black ones were run? lol

The Black E-Inferno's are the #$*&$!. After the first throw with it, I knew it was going in the bag. This is the disc that finally got me to the 400 mark consistently. Before I was consistently throwing 350-370.

Burn up the course with the Gateway Inferno... :D

Joe,'did you notice more stability and how much more did they fade at the end if any?

We were throwing them on Saturday at Sioux Passage, but for golf shots and some of the big down hill holes.
Roger Reyes who normally peaks out about 375 was getting shots well over 425, i actually watched his chest puff out after some of his big drives with the Inferno.

Do you think there is that much difference in flight and stability of the black ones?

The only realy way for me to anylize a disc is on a flat open field without much wind and I havent had a chance to test any runs head to head since they first came out.

To be honest with you...I thought the black one's had a touch more stability to them. Every throw I had went very straight with very little turn. Where as the protos I was throwing seemed rather easy to turn over. But overall...I would say that they are very similar other than the black one's have a bit more stiffness to them than the protos. The black one's plastic almost seemed more "E" like than the protos.

Definitely two big thumbs up...and in my opinion...the "Disc of the Year" so far.

Dave...you gonna be around tonight? I need to give to you hollar.

Thanks,
JT

I love the Inferno. Fast, long, control, & glide. What more could you ask for?

what he said. :D

I am hoping these retooled screams have enough stability to be thrown with some power into moderate winds...

The prototypes have been shipped overnight and I will throw them in the morning.
I hear they are still pretty straight but have more resistance to turning and a predictable fade at the end.

They sound like a nice compliment to the inferno, ill report more tomorrow.

David, If you have a minute,can you have kid stick a few of the new screams and some black infernos in a box and send them my way.

Thanks :D

Upon further review. The inferno kicks some serious #$*&$!! I think Dave hit the nail on the head with the big hyzer lines. I was parking holes I usually never reach today with huge hyzer flip lines. It just goes and goes. Bravo.

Upon further review. The inferno kicks some serious #$*&$!! I think Dave hit the nail on the head with the big hyzer lines. I was parking holes I usually never reach today with huge hyzer flip lines. It just goes and goes. Bravo.



As we would say in Texas! That's a cool disc Ya'll :cool:

how are these working as rollers? i would guess that it would turn over to it's top really fast once rolling due to it's big dome.

also-Dave--is there a big run of these coming soon? i would like to get some orange around 170. will you be running colors or just white? i have seen mostly 171 and up, will there be any in the 160's? thanks--awesomely long disc

I have a 170g one that has been beat up quite a bit and I have been able to roll it fairly decent. I was kind of expecting to kind of spin out fairly quickly as well, but to my surprise, it didn't. With that said, it still won't replace my Illusions for rollers. In my opinion, the Illusion is the best disc on the market for rollers.

I've tried rolling one of the E white guys max weight and they're great for big sky rollers but for ones you lay down quickly I like an illusion better. It seems with these they dont hold the rolling line as long, maybe because some of the weight is off the rolling line off the disc(because of the dome) im just speculating though. IIlusions bomb rolling. Especially E ones.

Willie give Shayne an iferno until his order comes /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave, I played Endi with Karl yesterday. On hole 2 I put an Inferno up the hill from 3's basket past all the trees leaving me an easy straight up lay up. And I was wearing sandals. I hit the parking lot on 13 at Sioux also on Monday. I put 6 at Sioux in the trees so folks can try to park it. That disc is sick, I need a stack of em.

any word on how the s are flying?

and are they as domey as the e?

Yo way ahead gave that kid one day after I got my box, Shane knows I've got his back.

and are they as domey as the e?



The "S" are super flat, I'm loving it. Not just flatter than the "E" but really, really flat. Haven't had a chance to throw it yet though, but I can say it feels better in my hand.

I am questioning the plastic 'E' in the new infernos... Questioning the durability, I already have some wear in a few of mine that seems to be a little too much too fast for premium plastic? Is this just because of the proto runs or is this new plastic going to be used for every line of disc?

Maybe its just the couple discs I have since one of my infernos doesnt seem to have any issue with it. They are getting flippier for me though it seems still like it though :)

Some of mine are also flippy, but the reason I found out mine were flipping was I was over torquing them bad. Also throwing them with no hyzer and even some times on a anhyzer line.

I am questioning the plastic 'E' in the new infernos... Questioning the durability, I already have some wear in a few of mine that seems to be a little too much too fast for premium plastic? Is this just because of the proto runs or is this new plastic going to be used for every line of disc?
Maybe its just the couple discs I have since one of my infernos doesnt seem to have any issue with it. They are getting flippier for me though it seems still like it though :)



It may be the sharp eadge is thinker and less durable due to mold not just plastic.

I am questioning the plastic 'E' in the new infernos... Questioning the durability, I already have some wear in a few of mine that seems to be a little too much too fast for premium plastic? Is this just because of the proto runs or is this new plastic going to be used for every line of disc?
Maybe its just the couple discs I have since one of my infernos doesnt seem to have any issue with it. They are getting flippier for me though it seems still like it though :)



It may be the sharp eadge is thinker and less durable due to mold not just plastic.



I think it is just the plastic. My inferno has a 3.5" long and 1/16" deep gash from the first tree/rock that it came into contact with. I've never seen any type of disc plastic scrape out like that. Unfortunately I think the plastic is crucial to the glide/flight. Hopefully Dave will find a way to make them more durable while keeping the flight and glide. For now it is an open hole disc.

The 1st runs of inferno (about 6000 discs)were batches put together based on the flight of the discs and man they fly AWESOME!
We will be working on a little tougher blend of material but the continous dome is crucial to the extra distance players are getting. It can and will become more durable, But they are flying so well we didnt want to mess with it right now. Like someone above mentioned, a sharp edged disc with such a thin flight plate can only handle so many 50 MPH shots dead into trees without changing flight characteristics, regardless of the plastic.

Building a mold is a relatively expensive investment, devloping the polymers to make it look, feel, flex and fly well is time consuming and can be a REALLY expensive part of the project.
a true blend of art and science :cool:

Thanks for the answer it was what I was expecting to hear, they do fly awesome no doubt about it

FYI, the black ones are certainly more stable.

On the black one's, did you remove more flashing off of them? The leading edge doesn't seem so sharp on the nose.

Dave, you know I don't like asking for disc a lot but if the black ones are a little more stable is there anyway I can get a few of these?

i hated the white protos they seemed way to flippy but these black ones BOOM baby

How stable are they? Hey Dave you have any of those new discs from Steve?

Where can i order inferno's black or blue i dont see them on the site?

Give them a call :)

Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com) has some black and a few blue ones.

Anybody thrown these? I have the white E's and they are a tad flippy. Just wondering how the S compares.

Black ones are much more stable, go that route.

You can call the shop at 314 487 5204 after 10:00am this week and after 9:00 am next week.

I saw that Double G got into the Finals for the Distance Contest. Is he throwing the Infernos or what is he throwing?

They have to throw Innova stuff. BTW Robbie bratten didn't make it because he said that teerexes are FLIPPY. He then proceeded to throw farther then eveyone with his predator. :D

Well thats pretty stupid to make them throw Innova and not what they like..... I thought the TeeRex was flippy when I threw it also.

I think Speed Demons are even flippier than Tee-Rex's....I realease my SD at about a 7 o clock hyzer angle and it turns into a perfect roller about 200 feet down the fairway.

That must be one whack Speed demon. :D

How beat is that speed demon?

How beat is that speed demon?


Its right out of the box, like my Tee-Rex's /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif.

Thats a first for the Speed Demon that I have heard of.

Aaron's just yanking your chain. How you doing Aaron? You coming to DM for the Ivy Open?

How beat is that speed demon?


Its right out of the box, like my Tee-Rex's /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif.



He forgot to mention that it's a 138 Speed demon :D

Aaron's just yanking your chain. How you doing Aaron? You coming to DM for the Ivy Open?


Depends which pros show up :), but I probably will, havent played there in a while...if your going as well, you gotta bring an Inferno or two for me to try out.

Yeah those are even a little overstable. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I am loving the Inferno...the one I have says prototype quest on it?

Aaron's just yanking your chain. How you doing Aaron? You coming to DM for the Ivy Open?


Depends which pros show up :), but I probably will, havent played there in a while...if your going as well, you gotta bring an Inferno or two for me to try out.


Not a problem...I have 2 or 3 in the bag at any given time. I have a proto and two black one's in usually.

I think Speed Demons are even flippier than Tee-Rex's....I realease my SD at about a 7 o clock hyzer angle and it turns into a perfect roller about 200 feet down the fairway.


Maybe a cut back roller :confused:

I am loving the Inferno...the one I have says prototype quest on it?


Do you mean Gateway-Quest proto type?

dave,

any chance of getting some of those black infernos??? those things bomb. even in a face wind.

I officially can't throw an Inferno with a power grip anymore. I was bombing these things when I got them but now I have to release them on a huge hyzer with my accuracy grip at about 80% power to get them to fly. The still bombe but are a little too flippy.

Hey Dave I even bought a black one but it was flippy too. :confused:

I officially can't throw an Inferno with a power grip anymore. I was bombing these things when I got them but now I have to release them on a huge hyzer with my accuracy grip at about 80% power to get them to fly. The still bombe but are a little too flippy.

Hey Dave I even bought a black one but it was flippy too. :confused:



I am finding the same thing happening to me Matt, I have to either throw them with an extreme hyzer angle or take it back to like 50-60% power

I think Speed Demons are even flippier than Tee-Rex's....I realease my SD at about a 7 o clock hyzer angle and it turns into a perfect roller about 200 feet down the fairway.


Maybe a cut back roller :confused:



Or more likely, form issues :o

Yer just too strong scoot. A regular man-child.

I think Speed Demons are even flippier than Tee-Rex's....I realease my SD at about a 7 o clock hyzer angle and it turns into a perfect roller about 200 feet down the fairway.


Maybe a cut back roller :confused:



Or more likely, form issues :o



Hey guys he is just messin with ya.

Yer just too strong scoot. A regular man-child.



They are flippier then my old sabre. :confused:

I had this problem for a little while and then I found out I was turing them over on my own. Now that probably isn't what yall are doing but I found out when I would try and throw them to hard I would start them off with anhyzer.

Mark and Matt,
The inferno is stable for a very wide range of players, in fact it is proabably the most "straight stable" disc I have ever thrown, especially if it gets on a straight glide 10-20 feet high it will stay there forever.

Matt I know you have a ton of rotation and velocity, Mark I saw a few videos clips but we havent played that much togther for me to comment on your technique.
I would think matt could throw the screams just as far, but most payers cannot throw 50 plus Mph and make the inferno flip so easy. There is a run of the white with Yellow on the rim that seem to be a bit beefier for me than the black.

Hopefully the newer slightly more overstable version The Scorcher, will glide as well but not flip so easy.
We ran some prototypes of the schorcher but they were pretty overstable, like a smaller rimmed spirit, I think the Ram lovers would GiZZZ but we already have enough overstable stuff.


On a different note:
I ran some prototypes of the Blurr and Rage, but havent been able to really test fly them enough yet.
It is a new top for the Illusion and spirit, initial testing has them flying faster and gliding longer without falling out.
I think they are more for the mainstream players than the spirit and Illusion, as they will flip up without flipping over.
Once I really test fly them, we can make a thread about them and start selling them.

Dave...any update on the beadless wizard?

Mark and Matt,
The inferno is stable for a very wide range of players, in fact it is proabably the most "straight stable" disc I have ever thrown, especially if it gets on a straight glide 10-20 feet high it will stay there forever.

Matt I know you have a ton of rotation and velocity, Mark I saw a few videos clips but we havent played that much togther for me to comment on your technique.
I would think matt could throw the screams just as far, but most payers cannot throw 50 plus Mph and make the inferno flip so easy. There is a run of the white with Yellow on the rim that seem to be a bit beefier for me than the black.

Hopefully the newer slightly more overstable version The Scorcher, will glide as well but not flip so easy.
We ran some prototypes of the schorcher but they were pretty overstable, like a smaller rimmed spirit, I think the Ram lovers would GiZZZ but we already have enough overstable stuff.


On a different note:
I ran some prototypes of the Blurr and Rage, but havent been able to really test fly them enough yet.
It is a new top for the Illusion and spirit, initial testing has them flying faster and gliding longer without falling out.
I think they are more for the mainstream players than the spirit and Illusion, as they will flip up without flipping over.
Once I really test fly them, we can make a thread about them and start selling them.



Dave, are the Rage and Blurr going to be like the Spirits and illusions that you "hand modified"? Those both felt really good.

Dave -

Got the blue infernos and the black x-outs... Threw the blue and the black and found them to be more to my liking than the whites, also got a few more from KVN when I was in round lake and one of them the plastic felt really really good and a lot more durable, kind of a blue/purple blend!

Cant wait to see what the scorcher flys like. The inferno is in my bag to stay for a variety of shots!

Dave, are the Rage and Blurr going to be like the Spirits and illusions that you "hand modified"? Those both felt really good.

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Matt,
They are really close to the the hand tooled prototypes.
They feel really sweet in the hand and just look fast.
I did throw a few shots today on hole 9 at JB and across a few holes as well. They seem to do exactly what I wanted them to do for golf shots. The Blurr is like a faster inferno with more resistance to turn and a little comeback at the end. I'm looking forward to getting the Blurr up in trajectory to see just how long it will actually stay over and penetrate for a distance shot. It seemed to have the same glide as a broken in domey H Illusion only longer.

The Rage is like a faster Spirit, pretty beefy when new and the Bomb diggitty after flexing it up a bit! :cool:
It went really far low to the ground and has that nice Spirit skip!

Yesterday while it was raining I decided to test out the Infernos at the football field in 10+ mph winds. Only brought the Infernos to see what they were made of in that type of wind. In a head wind I had to put major hyzer but was still about to get them close to 360. With the tail wind it was beating them down and picking them up at different times. Going out there I was looking to get some well over 400 but I did hit 400 a few times.

The Rage is like a faster Spirit, pretty beefy when new and the Bomb diggitty after flexing it up a bit! :cool:
It went really far low to the ground and has that nice Spirit skip!

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Is the Rage as overstable as the spirit brand new?

Remember when I was up there having problems turning over the spirt? Well now that is fixed working with the infernos and spirts got me to throw a lot flatter.

Form is still a little messed up but I'm working on that I know what I got to fix there. Throwing around the house I noticed the best disc to find out with my forum was the wizard. There is some property near my house that is about 200ft.Throwing the wizards in that lot shows me everything that is wrong.

I recently bought some blue 167g Infernos and it has become my go-to driver over the last month. I really like the wide rim and the feel of this disc in my hand. Thrown with a slight touch of hyzer, the Inferno will hyzer-flip and glide a long way. I'm getting some of my longest throws ever with this disc.

I have to be careful not to yank it because if it flips over, it's not coming back. And I wouldn't trust this disc at all into a headwind. But thrown flat with a tailwind, this disc will glide seemingly forever.

Sounds about right!

Is there any flight differences between the lighter vs. heavier versions.

For example , do the lighter ones flip more or less then the heavier version ? Sometimes weight makes a little change in flight characteristics.

I wanted to try a few.

With a really stable ( straight flying disc), the wieght should only affect the reistance to turn.

We are working on a paper and eventually a machine that should be able to tell velocity, rotation speed and possibly off axis rotation ( or turbulance)

There is something called gyrscopic pressetion(?)
If you cant get enough rotation on a really gyrscopic disc it is too overstable ( laymen terms)
We hope to be able to make similar shaped discs with different weight distributions making them more or les gyroscopic to match up the players throw giving the optimal peformance and maximum distance for their velocity and rotation.


More on this later.
I better get to bed.

Is there any flight differences between the lighter vs. heavier versions.

For example , do the lighter ones flip more or less then the heavier version ? Sometimes weight makes a little change in flight characteristics.

I wanted to try a few.



I'm hardly a power thrower, and the 167g Infernos flip out of the box for me. I've got to use a hyzer-flip to keep this disc flying straight. I'm curious as well if a heavier (174g - 175g) Inferno would allow for a flat release.

Who has the colored ones or the ones with the yellow around the edges....I just need a MORE stable Inferno or are the Schorchers about to be released....any new word on the Blurr :D.......Thanks in advance

Raging inferno and inferno DT are being ran right now and they are both more overstable than the regular infernos.

The blurr is now pdga approved and the latest runs are really supr fast and not as overstable as the first.

Can't wait to try out the Raging Inferno.

Happy to hear about the Blurr's too.