the camera guy
Sep 04 2006, 09:56 PM
posted a few pics on yahoo for the world to see
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gary11476
Big Easy
Sep 05 2006, 12:08 AM
Gary, I clicked on the link and found my photos home page
Try again ????
D.P. :D
the camera guy
Sep 05 2006, 12:40 AM
try this, i'll get it right sooner or later...
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gary11476/album
mtreat
Sep 05 2006, 01:07 AM
Very nice work Gary!!!
racerb491
Sep 05 2006, 08:26 PM
:cool:
3902
Sep 06 2006, 06:25 PM
Misc # 59 looks like some dude that used to play guitar.(Freaky) :eek:
nicholson5150
Sep 07 2006, 02:37 PM
That is freaky :D
twoputtok
Sep 07 2006, 03:27 PM
No, this is FREAKY!
This guys is listed as David Nicholson Jr.
http://www.police.nashville.org/news/media/2006/03/David_Nicholson.jpg
Just what is in your past? :o
twoputtok
Sep 07 2006, 03:28 PM
Hey Dave? You been holding out on us?
http://www.antiquebottles.com/rl/tc/NicholsonBread.jpg
nicholson5150
Sep 07 2006, 05:21 PM
Where do you find this stuff?? Anyway, keep this on the down low. That guy is the product of a trip I had to New Orleans years ago. His mother was a voodoo woman named Wanda. :D
SHHHHHHHHHH
3902
Sep 07 2006, 06:15 PM
Dark Oak. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
DrDoom
Sep 07 2006, 08:43 PM
Gary: Another fine group of photos!!!!! Doc
travisgreenway
Sep 10 2006, 11:00 AM
Gary you are the MAN....nice looking photos...keep em comming :D
the camera guy
Sep 10 2006, 01:42 PM
thanks for the kind words, will post some stillwater pics soon
the camera guy
Sep 13 2006, 02:38 AM
stillwater pics are up...
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gary11476/album
mtreat
Sep 13 2006, 11:11 AM
Another great job Gary.
I love the special effect shot, makes me feel kinda funny...
the camera guy
Oct 04 2006, 10:16 AM
how about some twisted pics...here...
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gary11476/albums
Birdie
Oct 04 2006, 10:33 AM
Awesome pictures Gary.... My favorites....There are two of them...
The one with Commish all crazy colored, adn the shot of myself with the gorilla. :D
the camera guy
Oct 04 2006, 10:47 AM
thanks, but dont you ever go to class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gonna try something different here
http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/
password twisted
Birdie
Oct 04 2006, 10:49 AM
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/twisted06-37.jpg
Awesome.
Birdie
Oct 04 2006, 10:50 AM
"They were just two guys looking for a place to play..."
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/twisted06-56.jpg
m_conners
Oct 04 2006, 11:12 AM
I just want to say we are lucky to have a guy like Gary associated with our club. Great pics Mr. Nail, we appreciate you more than you know.
mc
sschumacher
Oct 04 2006, 11:29 AM
I second that. Cool photos Gary. :cool:
That gorrilla shot looks like Andrew's head is coming out the gorrila's butt. :o:D
nicholson5150
Oct 04 2006, 12:57 PM
I definately echo that thought. Gary is an awesome guy and photographer. Thank You Gary!!
the camera guy
Oct 04 2006, 01:27 PM
you guys are making me blush :o:o:D
Birdie
Oct 04 2006, 01:52 PM
you guys are making me blush :o:o:D
Oh no! Furdog, get away from Gary!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :o
jose
Oct 04 2006, 06:17 PM
Gary - thanks for the pictures and thanks for doing what you do.
the camera guy
Nov 01 2006, 10:37 AM
new batch up at...
http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/
password twisted
Birdie
Nov 01 2006, 10:53 AM
Once again, a masterful job Gary.
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 02:02 PM
Tera looks like she's about to throw down with somebody :cool:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-86.jpg
nicholson5150
Nov 01 2006, 02:30 PM
Yeah me :D
twoputtok
Nov 01 2006, 03:19 PM
Marie must have seen FurDog humping on someone's leg again. :o
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 03:54 PM
Yeah she looks hacked off!
sschumacher
Nov 01 2006, 04:01 PM
There better be some pictures with me in them. :mad:
I tried to stay in the shot when all the winners came up so maybe I can get my picture in the magazine or maybe the video. :cool:
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:06 PM
You might be in here somewhere? ;)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-03.jpg
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:09 PM
This is a good pic - hole #16 Red (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-14.jpg)
twoputtok
Nov 01 2006, 04:13 PM
Better pic, same hole. (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/twisted06-69.jpg) :D
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:14 PM
Looks kind of like 2putt's back leg when he putts.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-28.jpg
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:15 PM
Better pic, same hole. (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/twisted06-69.jpg) :D
Nice footwork, Dave.
twoputtok
Nov 01 2006, 04:17 PM
Ryan Allensworth is the King of the fairy putt. :D
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:19 PM
Foot Fault???
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-35.jpg
twoputtok
Nov 01 2006, 04:22 PM
That's from the McCoy school of golf. :D
twoputtok
Nov 01 2006, 04:25 PM
Foot Fault?
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/twisted06-67.jpg
and not one Pro watching for it.
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:26 PM
What an animal!!!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-74.jpg
m_conners
Nov 01 2006, 04:27 PM
Almost looks like Jose is looking right at it?
Birdie
Nov 01 2006, 07:42 PM
He obviously has, and had, one supporting point on the tee-pad. Not touching any ground.
He's good. And he's Daryl. :D
RonSTL
Nov 01 2006, 07:49 PM
MC,
Not even close, your plant foot MUST be on the pad when you release the disc. (I wish they had a graemlin for interesting, huh!)
Peace and see ya in less than 2 weeks,
Just got home from loosing my arm :D
chrispfrisbee
Nov 01 2006, 10:08 PM
Thanks for the photos Gary! You are the BEST!!
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 08:52 AM
He obviously has, and had, one supporting point on the tee-pad. Not touching any ground.
He's good. And he's Daryl. :D
Wrong:
Play shall begin on each hole with the player throwing from within the teeing area. When the disc is released, at least one of the player�s supporting points must be in contact with the surface of the teeing area, <font color="red"> and all the player�s supporting points must be within the teeing area. </font>
Following through in front of the teeing area is permitted <font color="red"> provided there is no supporting point contact outside the teeing area when the disc is released </font>
ck34
Nov 02 2006, 09:18 AM
So, should we design tee pads with boards extending above ground at the front? Or maybe the rule should be changed to just require some contact of the supporting point with the tee pad upon release?
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 09:43 AM
I think we did what we could, Chuck. We made the pads 12ft long. You would think that a player could refrain from even getting that close to the end of the pad.
Its really funny, on the 8ft pads in town the same players take a run up from about 4ft back, now with the 12 ft pads they still take a 4ft run up and foot fault. :o
I guess the next step would be to install a foot fault light, as used in bowling, or make the pads 24ft long. :D
bapmaster
Nov 02 2006, 09:59 AM
He obviously has, and had, one supporting point on the tee-pad. Not touching any ground.
He's good. And he's Daryl. :D
Wrong:
Play shall begin on each hole with the player throwing from within the teeing area. When the disc is released, at least one of the player�s supporting points must be in contact with the surface of the teeing area, <font color="red"> and all the player�s supporting points must be within the teeing area. </font><font color="blue"> Is it really a supporting point if it's suspended in the air? I think all of his supporting points ARE within the teeing area. </font>
Following through in front of the teeing area is permitted <font color="red"> provided there is no supporting point contact outside the teeing area when the disc is released </font>
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 10:07 AM
He obviously has, and had, one supporting point on the tee-pad. Not touching any ground.
He's good. And he's Daryl. :D
Wrong:
Play shall begin on each hole with the player throwing from within the teeing area. When the disc is released, at least one of the player�s supporting points must be in contact with the surface of the teeing area, <font color="red"> and all the player�s supporting points must be within the teeing area. </font><font color="blue"> Is it really a supporting point if it's suspended in the air? I think all of his supporting points ARE within the teeing area. </font>
Following through in front of the teeing area is permitted <font color="red"> provided there is no supporting point contact outside the teeing area when the disc is released </font>
The complete rule
A. <font color="red"> Play shall begin on each hole with the player throwing from within the teeing area.</font> When the disc is released, at least one of the player�s supporting points must be in contact with the surface of the teeing area, <font color="red"> and all the player�s supporting points must be within the teeing area. If a tee pad is provided, all supporting points must be on the pad at the time of release, unless the director has specified a modified teeing area for safety reasons. </font> If no tee pad is provided, all supporting points at the time of release must be within an area encompassed by the front line of the teeing area and two lines perpendicular to and extending back three meters from each end of the front line. The front line of the teeing area includes the outside edges of the two tee markers. Running up from behind the teeing area before the disc is released is permitted. Following through in front of the teeing area is permitted provided there is no supporting point contact outside the teeing area when the disc is released
<font color="red"> B. Any supporting point contact outside the teeing area at the time of release constitutes a stance violation and shall be handled in accordance with sections 803.04 F, G and H.</font>
I think the key to this is "in the teeing area" and the tee areas are clearly defined.
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 10:07 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Ben. Insurance salesmen will always try and spin a policy that screws people. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 10:16 AM
Shouldn't you be out polishing your Avalanche?....Kenny? :D
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 10:20 AM
No, I'll let the body shop do that after my little mishap last night.
Fire Hydrant 1
Avalanch 0
:mad:
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 10:37 AM
That's funny. I usually just pee on fire hydrants. Not hit them. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Make sure you don't make a claim on your auto insurance. With all the cash donations I've made to you lately, you should have that covered. :p
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 10:43 AM
From the looks of your truck, it would appear you missed your target also. :o
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 10:49 AM
Yea but I got wood, not metal. :D
ck34
Nov 02 2006, 11:25 AM
I was just talking in general, not about your pads in particular which are fine. The foul light wouldn't work because players are allowed to follow thru and the light "wouldn't know" when you released the disc to indicate a foul or not.
jose
Nov 02 2006, 01:54 PM
I think this is one of the most abused rules in our sport today. How often do you see people who want to throw overhand shots - throw from the back of the box with one foot on the tee pad and one off - to help get over obstacles. Hole #4 at Boomer - everyone wants to get around the mando dogleg so most of the time righties will have one foot on the front right corner of the tee box and the other foot on the grass throwing the big hyzer.
gnduke
Nov 02 2006, 02:16 PM
I don't think the shots off the tee box shows any foot faults.
There are two basic types of throws used on drives. The player will plant and turn on his heel or the ball of his foot. In both cases, the plant foot is normally sideways to the target at the plant.
In the case of a heel plant, the foot must rotate quickly after release since there are no other joints involved to release torque on the knee. Therefore the toes will rotate beyond the mark immediately after release for a heel plant thrower.
In the case of a ball of the foot thrower, all of the weight of the plant is on the ball of the foot, so the ball of the foot does not move until well into the follow-thru. If a ball of the foot thrower had the ball of the foot off the front of the tee box in mid-air, they would fall off the front of the tee box.
So these pictures must be of heel plant throwers normally following thru after release.
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 02:52 PM
Foot Fault???
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-35.jpg
So, explain this one Gary. Supporting point is the one foot haning off the end of the tee, the other on is in the air.
I throw like this also, my back foot comes up at the time of release.
Your explanation would allow me to stand on my heel with my toes hanging over my mini, are you not going to call that as a foot fault?
The rules are very clear if there is no tee pad, why can't the same rules apply?
m_conners
Nov 02 2006, 02:54 PM
I think this is one of the most abused rules in our sport today. How often do you see people who want to throw overhand shots - throw from the back of the box with one foot on the tee pad and one off - to help get over obstacles. Hole #4 at Boomer - everyone wants to get around the mando dogleg so most of the time righties will have one foot on the front right corner of the tee box and the other foot on the grass throwing the big hyzer.
I know what you mean, Jose....I've seen the same thing happen with forehand shots and thumber's on hole #13 at Boomer and hole #15 at McClure.
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 03:15 PM
Foot Fault???
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-35.jpg
So, explain this one Gary. Supporting point is the one foot haning off the end of the tee, the other on is in the air.
I throw like this also, my back foot comes up at the time of release.
Your explanation would allow me to stand on my heel with my toes hanging over my mini, are you not going to call that as a foot fault?
The rules are very clear if there is no tee pad, why can't the same rules apply?
The supporting point here is the HEAL of the foot, not the toe. The heal is on the tee pad,.... case closed. If the tee pad was not raised then the heal and toe would be on the same surface, thus the heal and toe would be the supporting point and I would think be considered a foot fault. I don't why anyone would risk a sprained ankle teeing off like this. :confused:
Oh and Dave the reason your non-supporting foot lifts off the ground is because it's trying to kick you in the butt/head for the lousey shank you just threw. I'm sure if you woke up in the middle of the night you would find your wife's foot trying to do the same thing. :D:o
the camera guy
Nov 02 2006, 03:18 PM
did not think i would start a mohawkgate scandel with my pics /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif though it would be interesting for a side view!
m_conners
Nov 02 2006, 03:21 PM
did not think i would start a mohawkgate scandel with my pics /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif though it would be interesting for a side view!
Gary, your picture taking skills are second to none!!!! Actually, I figured one of your pictures would be in the new PDGA calendar...maybe next year :D
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 03:44 PM
The problem I have with it is the rules state one thing for a tee pad but entirely something different if no tee pads are in place.
Plus the fact that the end of the tee pad is just like your marker on the ground. Can you step past that before release? NO.
The rule states:
If no tee pad is provided, all supporting points at the time of release must be within an area encompassed by the front line of the teeing area and two lines perpendicular to and extending back three meters from each end of the front line. The front line of the teeing area includes the outside edges of the two tee markers.
So, just because the end of his foot is not touching anything it is okay? Even though it extends past the designated tee area?
This is as messed up at putt jumps. Yes, I said it correctly, a jump putt would be illegal.
I played on some new pads in ILL a few weeks ago, they had the last two inches on the front of the tee pads painted blue and played it as a foot fault, if the player was across the line when teeing off.
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 03:46 PM
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-35.jpg
Okay, see the small bladeof grass touching his foot?
You do?
Then its a FOOT FAULT!
m_conners
Nov 02 2006, 03:50 PM
I see it I see it!!!
Painting a line on the end of the tee pad is an interesting idea.
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 03:58 PM
[/QUOTE] Okay, see the small bladeof grass touching his foot?
You do?
Then its a FOOT FAULT!
[/QUOTE]
Congradulations. :cool:...You may not being cashing like a pro but you sure are starting to sound like one. ;)
gnduke
Nov 02 2006, 03:59 PM
My point was that on most drives where this type of photo is taken, the foot is perpendicular to LOP and completely within the teeing area at the time of release and then quickly pivots forward on the heel.
In the case of part of a foot hanging over the mini, it's more likely to happen on a back-to-the-basket straddle to the right where the ball of the right foot is placed behind the mini and the heel of the right foot is elevated and directly above the mini.
Not a support point, not a foot fault.
gnduke
Nov 02 2006, 04:02 PM
I see it I see it!!!
Painting a line on the end of the tee pad is an interesting idea.
Having the last 4"-6" of the tee pad painted and treated as beyond the line is a great idea.
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 04:12 PM
I think I like the blue line idea. Easy to understand and even easier to call, cross the line and its a fault, plain and simple.
I know we can go back and forth as to supporting point on or across or touching. The rule reads supporting points within the teeing area and FurDog was right, if it was a pad flush with the ground, it would be automatic, FAULT.
But since the end of foot is technically not touching, then it would appear to be legal.
But supposedly putt jumps are legal also.
and I would gripe about those if Coda hadn't alread paid me for one of his. :D
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 04:27 PM
Hey buddy. Anytime you need some professional advice about;
How to satisfy your woman.
How to be the boss when your woman is not around.
How to avoid work and still do what you want to do.
How to earn your kids respect.
How to avoid backing into fire hydrants.
How to buy a truck without having your name changed to Avalanche Kenny.
How to avoid tournament head.
Or life according to Furdog.
.....Let me know. :cool:
m_conners
Nov 02 2006, 04:30 PM
How to avoid backing into fire hydrants.
HAH!! Did it happen at Mohawk?
twoputtok
Nov 02 2006, 04:38 PM
Nope, right in my driveway.
Just got an estimate $2,100++++
Now let me give you some advice, never allow your children on your insurance policy, trust me on this one. They will have already filed a claim by the time you need to use it and you will be screwed. They got theirs fixed buy your's is screwed.
Do we need any stumps knocked over at the Hawk?
Have crushed bumper, ready to work. :D
m_conners
Nov 02 2006, 04:45 PM
Nope, right in my driveway.
Just got an estimate $2,100++++
That is some funny stuff...
Did it look like this?
http://www.queensu.ca/security/graphics/2003/int-0305-01c.jpg
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 04:54 PM
Better trade that in and get one of these.
http://www.bigkidtoys.com/IMG/3haul.jpg
RonSTL
Nov 02 2006, 04:57 PM
I don't think the shots off the tee box shows any foot faults.
There are two basic types of throws used on drives. The player will plant and turn on his heel or the ball of his foot. In both cases, the plant foot is normally sideways to the target at the plant.
In the case of a heel plant, the foot must rotate quickly after release since there are no other joints involved to release torque on the knee. Therefore the toes will rotate beyond the mark immediately after release for a heel plant thrower.
In the case of a ball of the foot thrower, all of the weight of the plant is on the ball of the foot, so the ball of the foot does not move until well into the follow-thru. If a ball of the foot thrower had the ball of the foot off the front of the tee box in mid-air, they would fall off the front of the tee box.
So these pictures must be of heel plant throwers normally following thru after release.
Have anybody go out and try and plant the foot 1/2 on and 1/2 off from the back of the pad and throw 325 and up. I guarentee you would be lucky to NOT fall on your face. I still disagree FOOT FAULT! I certainly would never call it because his plant foot is on concrete. I have foot fouled off the tee pad, but I totally was a perfect example as in above. BTW, good luck this weekend. Tear'em up! :)
RonSTL
Nov 02 2006, 05:00 PM
TP,
Great idea, we have been down that road also but, definitely verify correct color, I honestly do not remember if blue, red, or yellow is the "correct" color. If you do the line it is definitely a foot foul. We decided at my course not to do it because the pads look good, they are 12 feet and if you fall off the pad it is a footfoul.
TP had to fix what I was thinking. ;)
7 days and counting. See ya soon
sschumacher
Nov 02 2006, 05:15 PM
Connors.....Has Thong bought a vehicle yet? :confused:
Maybe he might be interested in one of these. :)
http://www.bigkidtoys.com/3trans.jpg
circle_2
Nov 02 2006, 09:20 PM
Plant a parallel piece of wood at the end of the pad...as a painted surface is slick...
twoputtok
Nov 03 2006, 10:45 AM
I found the solution for foot faults.
http://ripoffreport.com/features/earnhardt.jpg
bapmaster
Nov 03 2006, 11:47 AM
Hey, I know how all you Tulsa guys like to support new entrepreneurial ventures. I'm sure you'll like this one...
Go get a hair cut! (http://www.eyecandycuts.com)
twoputtok
Nov 03 2006, 11:50 AM
I'll take an appointment with Kalea or Lilly. :o
****!
twoputtok
Nov 03 2006, 11:52 AM
Go to the links and look at their stylist uniforms. :o:o:o:o:o:o
I think I'm feeling a little shaggy.
m_conners
Nov 03 2006, 01:16 PM
Yeah no kidding, might be time for a haircut :o
Martin_Norris
Nov 03 2006, 01:25 PM
Go to the links and look at their stylist uniforms. :o:o:o:o:o:o
I think I'm feeling a little shaggy.
I wonder if they do coloring, mine needs gray removal.
m_conners
Nov 03 2006, 02:13 PM
Some women like older men, Martin...it gives them a sense of sophistication.
bapmaster
Nov 03 2006, 05:48 PM
I think I'm feeling a little shaggy.
I'm not sure, but I think that has a double meaining. :o
Martin_Norris
Nov 06 2006, 05:40 PM
new batch up at...
http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/
and also:
From Robert Davis-Leaf to all Disc Golfers:
http://www.leafgraphics.com/oklaopen.htm is a link to some pictures from the Oklahoma Open
password twisted
deathbypar
Nov 07 2006, 02:33 AM
Man this guy can CRUSH!!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-37.jpg
FLYBYE
Nov 07 2006, 07:39 AM
CRUSH many beer cans right? :D
Birdie
Nov 07 2006, 12:08 PM
CRUSH many beer cans right? :D
That is funny...
sschumacher
Nov 07 2006, 12:14 PM
CRUSH many beer cans right? :D
That is funny...
Cans????......Hell I've seen the guy CRUSH kegs. :D
CAMBAGGER
Nov 07 2006, 12:19 PM
I saw him crush his can of hair gel at USDGC last year, he musta really been #$*&$!. :eek:
m_conners
Nov 07 2006, 01:35 PM
Man this guy can CRUSH!!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/oklahoma%20open%2006/ooselect-37.jpg
That's me making an ace run at hole #16 Red...I may not be able to crush distance wise but I crushed the majority of you suckers at the OO.
Cam, your just jealous cuz you can't grow any hair :p
CAMBAGGER
Nov 07 2006, 01:42 PM
That's not what you said when you were trying to get them off the roof of your mouth last night :o I think what Dave really meant to say on this pick is that he HAS a man crush on the person throwing.
m_conners
Nov 07 2006, 01:44 PM
Dude Jake posted that pic not Dave...get it together, bro. :D
CAMBAGGER
Nov 07 2006, 01:48 PM
We already knew that Jake had a man crush on you. :DHis wife told me he's got a Mike Conners bowling poster on the wall in the bathroom.
m_conners
Nov 07 2006, 01:52 PM
LMAO!!!!!!!!
deathbypar
Nov 07 2006, 04:17 PM
No, the bowling poster is in the garage dude. I have got a poster of Furdog dropping dookie in the lawn hanging in the bathroom. Its very relaxing.
the camera guy
Nov 07 2006, 05:16 PM
No, the bowling poster is in the garage dude. I have got a poster of Furdog dropping dookie in the lawn hanging in the bathroom. Its very relaxing.
or did you mean inspirational :D
Billy_Ho
Nov 09 2006, 08:28 PM
Conners beat me by 10 strokes at BlackHawk today :(