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Mars Hill & Asheville NC -- Warrior's Path & Fossil Hill (Kingsport area).
Flyer Here (http://lakefrontdiscgolf.com/Documents/Final%20Flyer.pdf) pdf

All Pre Entries get a Long Sleeve Tee Shirt with this event logo on back and Innova logo over pocket area.
No other advertising on the shirt!!

Thanks to a donation of $100 from
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and a match from Fossil Hill & Lakefront Disc Golf Club
plus a years fundrasing the shirts are fully sponsored!! No entry fees are used for these shirts!!!!!

Thank you for all the years of help Innova!!!
There are also 60 Full Color commemorative discs with same logo.

Field Limit 36 teams (so we can all play on the same course). First come first serve, Pro teams will not bump Am teams so enter early. Late entry at Mars Hill Saturday morning will be a $10 team late fee, if there are any spaces left.

Trophies are pairs of Engraved Mugs!! Pictures will be posted when the goodies arrive.

Logan & Jeff, a new Cross State pair from Richmond have already entered!!!

Our friends at Asheville say that we will be using the newly rebuilt Richmond Hills course, it may be the first event held there. Keep up the good work guys, EVERYBODY is looking forward to playing the new course.

John, I have some CTP's to donate. Hopefully I can get a hold of Chuck, he's supposed to be my Partner, anyone got his # ?

Looking forward to playing this year John, and getting back over the hill to Fossil. I was bummed you didn't have your one-day c-tier this summer. :(

Craig
Thought I'd put my effort into the Doubles, especially since I get virtually no help here @ Fossil Hill anymore.

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Look forward to seeing a full field of 36 teams.

John, I have some CTP's to donate. Hopefully I can get a hold of Chuck, he's supposed to be my Partner, anyone got his # ?



CTP's would be great, will do all that in Tennessee on Sunday @ Warriors & Fossil Hill.

Sorry to hear all that John. You have quite the gem there, and it would be a shame to lose the course. I wish you luck, and hope some of the locals step up to help out. I hopefully will see you at the event, once I get a partner.

Are you wanting an NC partner, or are you willing to play with a TN partner? I was considering moving up for this one.

Full Color discs came in. Shirts too!
30 Rocs, 30 Aviar. $12 each.
There are no other tournament hotstamp discs.
They look much better than this picture.


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Cam, let me get back to you. It would make sense to keep the NC/TN rivalry distinct, but if you are wanting to pay for our entry, expenses and such, I would have to lie about being a Volunteer! :D I'll get back to you soon.

yea but you need a good partner craig

So........are you my partner.................I mean, Mike, wanna be my partner?

we can discuss that

What if I drive and get us a place to stay in the "New Darkness"?

Bump

Carrier Park replaces Richmond Hills in Cross State Doubles!!!!

A temporary course at Carrier Park in Western Asheville will replace Richmond Hills in this years event. 18 Discatchers are being provided by Innova to set up this incredible course, with existing concrete and asphalt being used for most of the tees. Only a few will require temp mat tees.

From what I understand this is a premier park that the locals have wanted to play golf at for years.
Thanks to the Asheville City Officials for making this property available for our use in this special event. And of course James Nichols for all the work he has done.

Late registration and the first round will still be at Mars Hill College and Carrier will be played second.

The Sunday morning round will be at Warrior's Path using 4 new permanent holes on the 24 hole course that was redesigned for a new park Boundless Playground and wheelchair accessible tree house. Fossil Hill will remain unchanged, except the rough is rougher!

Remember 36 team max with long sleeve tee shirts for all preregistrants. Sign up soon!!

Engraved matching pair trophy mugs for the champions in the offered divisions.

Entries are beginning to come in. So far 5 of the 36 team spaces are filled, all intermediate ams.

Turner & Russell, Davenport & Adcock, McNew & Barber, Phelps & Lorencen, Canedy & Huber

I hope folks will come & enjoy this 20th anniversary event.
I am most likely going to be focusing on building a house next year so Fossil Hill may not be included. Probably transition to Winged Deer.
So if you want to play doubles at Fossil Hill this may be the last chance for a while.

Richmond Hills needs help.
From an email I got Thursday:

"we really need folks to come to Richmond Hill to show the City of Asheville the popularity of disc golf. Please encourage any and all to be at the claypit of Richmond Hill park on Sunday at 2pm. There will be no golf played, but we will be ensuring future golf at Richmond Hill.

That's Sunday October 8th

Any Werd

I see James Miller posted on the Asheville site that he is looking for a partner, I don't know what division.
Link (http://weddingday-photo.com/plugins/BBS/wncdiscgolfclub_ubb/Forum2/HTML/000008.html)

1/3 full, entries coming in every day. 11 Intermediate Amateur and one Pro Masters team so far. Limit 36 teams Send entries now!!
Turner & Russell, Davenport & Adcock, McNew & Barber, Phelps & Lorencen, Canedy & Huber, Whitter & Williams, Lowe & Millard, Johnson & Osborne, Campbell & Guttinger, Black & Jones, Ward & Ainsworth, Frye & Thrift

Is there paypal, trying to reg a pro group. but printer at work won't print flyer.

No PayPal

Will reluctantly send

You playing pro?
Sorry about the paypal, we've ask before and no one responded that they would use it
.

Shawn Groton n BS

Great, been a while since I have seen Shawn.

do you know if the temp course will be in next week at all or just the day of?

Portable DisCatchers likely set up for Saturday afternoon only, that is one of the reasons we are limiting the field to 36 teams, can't take a chance having one stolen if no one is around to watch over them, James has the Carrier Park design approved by Asheville officials and may have it set up Friday, but things are still in flux because we expected to use Richmond Hills. I'll post a link to the design when I get it. I know James has worked his butt off trying to work around the RH issue.

Understandable just didn't want the Ashvillians getting a upper hand eventhough they'll need it if Tic Tac and J-Bird play again. You may not know but are Mars Hills and Kingsport baskets staying where they were at last weekend?

Tim will be setting up the course at Warrior's, James and Ryan the course at Mars Hill. At Fossil Hill we will play the same set-up as last year. Long #1, double mando on 8, string on short hole 13 and long # 17.

Sounds good, was wondering because I played WP and MH last week. Like new holes at WP except the one on the front side has two tree right in lane but Vic stated that park wouldn't let them take it out. 23 with the rock is NICEEE. It's not a birdie fest anymore.

Forecast for next weekend is dry, got the 12th Intermediate Am team sign up yesterday.

Hey folks, We will have shirts for everyone, even if you sign up at the Late Registration Saturday, but go on and send a check now and save the $10 team late sign up fee!!

Looks like the Intermediate Ams are not <font color="red">afraid of Mars Hill </font> , one Masters team isn't afraid, but you other Pros and all the Advanced teams must be girlie men or just like paying at the last minute.

Don't piddle in your panties, just get a box of Depends and come on!!!!

15 teams now

Additional entries todays mail ... Gaskill & Sprague, Berry & Killebrew and Ghosthorse & Hansen.
Send Checks tomorrow or come by Fossil Hill to pay by Friday night & save the late fee!

Will Sunday ever be in NC. It would be nice if it alternated years.

Why make it fair? :D

Hasn't Ticbird won the last two or three. Have you heard from J. Scrub yet

he called yesterday, I guess we're still gonna play.

Pro

lol, :Dwhy not just sponsor J and Tic and save myself the gas money? I'm thinking maybe I'll try to play open after New Years. ;)
How many strokes have they won by the past few years?

Will Sunday ever be in NC. It would be nice if it alternated years.


Brent
It depends on what NC wants next year, It ends in Tn this year so I don't have to haul all the trophies & prizes across the mountain to a place without shelter for the award presentation. It is the first time in 20 years that it has not alternated, either with Horizons or Cedarock. Plus since I started this event with Ken Weyandt @ Horizons in 1987 and am TDing my last one I didn't think it would be a particular problem to make it a bit easier for me, guess I didn't take some new folks into account. Have you sent your & Shawns entry yet? It's the first one for you isn't it?

Cam, and how is it unfair? One time in 20 years, and especially since you have never played how could one in 20 be unfair to you????

Tim will be @ Mars Hill for Friday singles if anyone wants to sign up then and save the late fee Saturday.

Filling up
14 team spaces left.

I'm only Brent's representative on the Bored because he hasn't learned to type due to his early movie career. However, the check as they say is in the mail and should be good for 90 days. And yes I played this event in the past with a character that looks like Ronald McDonald and has more back hair than MtL. So see ya Sat and stop complaining Cam.

Something was not adding up........

The PDGA Tour page is not really set for doubles input but I have listed the teams there as best I can, I'm sure there are more teams signed up tonight at doubles that I have not got yet, I'm sure there are less than 14 spots left.

Is that the same UmBagger that stated at fOSSIL hill he was going Pro, if not disregard

yessir
that bagger be

He and Cam would make interesting partners.....

Will Sunday ever be in NC. It would be nice if it alternated years.



Cam, and how is it unfair? One time in 20 years, and especially since you have never played how could one in 20 be unfair to you????




Sorry you 2 didn't catch the sarcasm, you really should know better. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Tonight at Dubs I know that Tim took at least 3 more entries for the tournie. I am supposed to play with Grubster Chubster, but then again, he was supposed to be at dubs tonight???? :confused: If he doesn't call by Friday, I guess I won't be playing.

If he doesn't call by Friday, I guess I won't be playing.



I've got a XXL with your name on it ... so to speak, hope it works out.

Don't understand why this was switched to Asheville when they don't even attend the event. Thanks for show n Ghosthorse.

Don't understand why this was switched to Asheville when they don't even attend the event. Thanks for show n Ghosthorse.



Because the round trip between courses went from 490 miles down to less than 180. People had complained for years that even though the 2 courses @ Cedarock were a great balance that the ride was a bit much and there were very few Burlington teams anyway, Tennessee players have always been the majority of the field and the option of staying at home and saving the extra gas and motel expense was very appealing. Out of towners can stay in Johnson City and be less than an hour from everything. Once Asheville gets back on its' feet there should be the best attendance ever. Kinda hard to put your best foot forward when your course is closed.

Your check did not come today either.

Should be there morrow. it's coming from Morganton. However, I don't remember a strong showing from A-ville last year. These comments aren't geared to you but the chumps from A-ville. I didn't even see James on the list. And yes I called them out on their only site.

Trying to give them benefit of doubt, I too expected more Asheville teams, James has a partner.
Including them, an entry today [Losh & Bedingfield] and two teams I know will pay me here tomorrow that leaves just 9 spaces left.

Hey Michael Jo ... you coming?

Is everyone still afraid of team Tic-Bird? 2 pro open & 2 Pro masters teams so far ... Vicars & Dosher (team VD?) will defend Pro Masters and Light/Smith is the other pro team paying tomorrow.

Um.........how bout putting Umbagger's group in the Open division. I recall him telling us all he would never play in an advanced division again, so I know he was entered in the advanced division in error. Sorry to call you out on a typo John, but we know Umbagger is a man of his word and would never play in a division lower than his ability to try and win. :cool:;) :D

BTW: I ended up having to take the on-call this weekend, so no dubs for me.

Is everyone still afraid of team Tic-Bird?



Yup, I know I am. Sorry but those are the facts. I love your course Fossil, but not getting spanked on it by those 2 :D
Good luck to all that try to take down Tic-Bird. I learned my lesson a couple of yrs ago.

Sissy

Everyone's scared from NC so I had to get a Ten. partner. BOOO

NC doesn't have an answer for Tic and Bird, then again, either does TN

Is everyone still afraid of team Tic-Bird?



Yup, I know I am. Sorry but those are the facts. I love your course Fossil, but not getting spanked on it by those 2 :D
Good luck to all that try to take down Tic-Bird. I learned my lesson a couple of yrs ago.



And neither of them play my course at all, J-Bird has not been here once since last years doubles, maybe Ice Bowl I'm not sure, Same for Tic.
After this year with only 3 or 4 Open Teams I bet they won't bother at all next year ... if there is a next year @ Fossil Hill.
Since Winged Deer as of last weekend has 18 holes it may be there instead of FH.

Have Umbagger and Losh play them. :D

Not trying to knock this area or region, but this isn't exactly a "hotbed" for disc golf. There are some things (IMO) that may need to be looked at or changed to further the promotion and participation of the sport in this area. Once some of those issues are dealt with, we may see greater participation and more support from the disc golfers in the area, then maybe we can develop better golfers and create a bigger field for all divisions.

true

I know winged deer would love to be a part of cross state and if ask we would not complain-but the hill is the best corse in this area "in my opinion" and I hope will be apart of cross state for a long time coming.I would have liked to been able to play the hill more this year,but would have liked to play anywhere more this year.Several injuries has kept me spending alot with the old lady.I've only been able to play a few fligts and hand full of dubs.So i'm not playing pro :mad:I had good advance year last year and was excited about turning pro this season.S*** happens-so no practice and being way out of shape is going to make for sad game to watch-for sure not baggin.go tennessee

Everyone's scared from NC so I had to get a Ten. partner. BOOO



No check today ... when did you mail it????

Also talked to James a few minutes ago, he hopes to have 36 in at Richmond Hills by next year, That should make things great!!! They will be running the 21st Cross States. Hopefully that will get more Asheville participation.

Com'on Mike you're rated 1014 what's it going to take to get more pro teams???

Will update list tonight, I am waiting for the Cole/Duffield entry due here in an hour or two. That leaves only 8 spaces.

I sent it out Monday. That buggies and horse must be slow in your parts.

I wish this event was during the DEP Cup. I have heard so many things about this event. One year, me and JJ will come and take down the legend that is Tic Tac and J Bird

I sent it out Monday. That buggies and horse must be slow in your parts.



No kidding, I sent a letter to someone 24 miles from here and it took almost a week!!!!

Registration is updated ... 28 teams

I wish this event was during the DEP Cup. I have heard so many things about this event. One year, me and JJ will come and take down the legend that is Tic Tac and J Bird




Yeah ... Yeah ... yeah.........

Posting is free ... where are you this weekend??? your precious Hurricanes are away with Sabres (good start for Buffalo) and Islanders (us lowly Predators took 'em already this week)!!

So your excuse is.......?

[ya better invite me to a game with your new season tickets]

{where is that begging mode???}

Play a B Tier 1 hour away or a doubles C Tier 4+ hrs away. Is there any question? Sorry, conflicting tourneys will keep several Eastern NC'ers from playing this yr.

[ya better invite me to a game with your new season tickets]

{where is that begging mode???}



everyone wants me for my tickets!

Play a B Tier 1 hour away or a doubles C Tier 4+ hrs away.




Basically what he said

however, having too many tournaments to play is a good thing!

Basically what he said

however, having too many tournaments to play is a good thing!

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Not at all convinced by that.
For instance in the 2005 calendar year there were 63 A tier, National Tour and Majors alone. I'm waiting for someone to seriously support the contention that that many "Showcase" events are warranted. Then you add the rank and file B C &amp; D tier events .....
When we began doing this and the Lakefront Open most of our players came from NC, now you guys have to drive by events to come here. No matter how hard we try to make the events in E. Tennessee appealing the explosion of courses [thanks to Innova] thus events in the Carolinas trump everything we do. I was never convinced that making this a PDGA event was in anyone's real interest but I did not seriously oppose. I know the PDGA likes it because 70% of the participants pay the $5 fee!
I've been told to raise $3000 - $5000 dollars to draw more players [i.e. pros who come by for the weekend and take everything we have done a year to collect then leave without as much as a 'thank you sirs'].
That's why all this years� sponsorship efforts went into shirts for everyone instead of a bonus for the Pros. I'm a share the bounty sort of guy. I would rather this be a non sanctioned event as an end of the year get together than a seriously competitive event.

I'm just an old timer with a two decade perspective. That plus 50 cents will make a local call in most places.

Old and in the way,,, right Cam??? And congratulations on the dozen people you got to come to your Ace Race. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt as a new comer without the local perspective Tim, Paul, Vern ....and I have after giving the best part of our lives to promote events here. Shoot, you rarely come to support our local events so watch out for that hoof in mouth disease.

What's Jerry, David, peter, Vassar, John have to do with Disc Golf. Let me know when the check comes in. MtL gets on the thread and Hate follows. Thanks

I completely agree with everything you said!

Very good post.

I have never played in Tennessee, casual or anything. I have heard nothing but good things about Fossil Hill and the tournaments you guys do there. I will go west one of these days!

My wishes for a successful event!

Then why post here. Stay on your own Threads.

This is a message board that requires PDGA membership to post on any thread. As a current PDGA member, I have the right to post where I feel I would like, as do you.

I completely agree with everything you said!





Oh NO!!! That means I'm gonna lose the last 3 friends I have left in this sport. (but a Hurricane ticket might help balance it out).
....
Wish I hadn't just renewed for 5 years.....

(kidding on both counts)

Whatever
Has John T. or Nate Keller signed up. Spoke to Nate Last night and he stated that him and John were getting the baskets for temp course. If you have any info let me know so I can let them know. Nate being Nate stated "no in, No baskets". Shawn is on his way from Virginia Beach so I hope you get that check.

I completely agree with everything you said!





Oh NO!!! That means I'm gonna lose the last 3 friends I have left in this sport. (but a Hurricane ticket might help balance it out).
....
Wish I hadn't just renewed for 5 years.....

(kidding on both counts)



Make that four unless I was already included in the three. ;) And don't worry about Robert's agreement with you. He's been agreeing with everyone by fits and starts the last couple of days. Except for Bradley that is. :D And I'm just about sure that suits old BS just fine. :cool:

All registrants are listed here:
PDGA Tour (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5595)

I'll let you know as soon as the mail arrives. Probably about 1:30 or so.

I wish some of you guys had come this year Jamie.

Who is Bradley or BS. Riverdawg. See ya in a couple with a couple

Make that four unless I was already included in the three.



That's better, I had 4 left but lost em all.

It was great seeing you this summer. I will almost OD on ibuprophen so my hands will let me play one day with you at Ramcat.

Saw part of the 'Squirrell episode on Seinfeld last night &amp; thought of you ....Pulllllll!

Yup, wish we could make it too. Us Y'villians kind of fall into that "too many tournies" thang though. Workday Saturday in Y'ville to rock dust our teepads prior to the Yadkin Open in three weeks.

And as far as the ibuprofen and Ramcat goes I'll tell you like I tell the younguns around here, "If you think I play slow now, just wait until you're having to throw around my walker." Stop and see us next time through John. Be sure to pre-load the Advil.:cool::cool:

Got your check.
6 places left and one team is headed my way now to pay so make that 5 spaces left.

Werd

Old and in the way,,, right Cam??? And congratulations on the dozen people you got to come to your Ace Race. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt as a new comer without the local perspective Tim, Paul, Vern ....and I have after giving the best part of our lives to promote events here. Shoot, you rarely come to support our local events so watch out for that hoof in mouth disease.



I think last years Ace Race disc was the main deterent for this years tourney.(poor participation) I had 25 last year. I had more then that at the Cancer Benefit tourney I ran last year. People just aren't into "club" golf around here.(functions/tournies, etc...) We show up on Tuesday Eve to play the club mini, the lot is full, yet there are only 12 folks playing the mini :confused: What can we do as a club to get those newbies to join us for the round? Possibly change the format?

You're right Cam, we've tried format changes and I have mentioned that one round of 24 should be enough. The main complaint I hear is that folks don't want to spend all afternoon (12:30 til 6 or 7) to play two rounds of 20 or a 20 & a 24.
Thanks for the suggestions.

2 teams left!!!!!

There are some other options for the weekly mini's though. I think new players are intimidated playing with and against the experienced players. If you think about it, it doesn't matter who J-Bird, Tic Tac or Tim draw in doubles, there are only a handful of holes that they don't always reach or birdie. So, regardless of their partner, they will usually shoot very well at Warriors. I know when I first started, I was intimidated playing with some of the "top Pros" in the area, thinking that I was dragging them down. A possibility is to have Pros play Pros and Adv play Adv, etc.. I would step up and play Pro in the weeklies if I knew I'd be paired w/another Pro player, plus I wouldn't want to play for plastic. Right now, what is my incentive to play open in the weeklies? Tim, J-bird, Tic Tac and Vic are considerably better then me playing singles. I can play Adv at the weeklies and still usually do good enough to at least win my cash back, it shouldn't be like that. I guarantee you if you teamed Pro with Pro and paid Ams plastic, there would be at least 4-5 people step up and play Pro, including myself. I know the novice/beginner players would feel more comfortable playing each other. Pay the Ams plastic, don't let them take home cash. I have several friends here that don't play the mini's for these reasons.

I've never seen such a "home friendly" course as Warriors. I'd put (any 2 of these 3 players) Tim Barr, J Bird and Tic Tac against Barry Shultz and Climo at Warriors anyday, and still prolly give 2 strokes :D

I can't speak for doubles but Tim said that he & TT & JB may play the flights as a cash round for them only making the open division open up and that should trickle down.

Yeah, he told me that next year they (Tim, Tic Tac and J) were just going to play each other for $20 a head. That would def help the flights.

There are 2 spots left as I sign off tonight.
Will be at Mars Hill tomorrow about 8:30 ish.

Players meeting at 9:30 sharp.

Everyone needs to sign in and those without shirts can get them then too.

Goodnight & drive safe.

Wow! What a gorgeous day for golf. Thanks John for running another awesome cross-state. I got to watch Cam-bagger put on a real show today. I believe he's carrying around way more sand than I am right now. It's going to be really tough to catch those guys tomorrow. I believe Carrier Park had a lot of fun shots, but overall, it was a bad idea. Way too many people, plus I had my 2004 CE Roc stolen :mad:by one of the patrons of the park. I understand the circumstances, but for the love of God, please let's get Richmond Hill back. Good luck everybody. Sorry about the whinning.

It was a nice day of golf for sure. We played great as partners yesterday. I do agree about Carrier Park, especially the shot we had to throw over the bochi ball court. Today is a new day, lets see if we can close the deal.

Attention Brandon &amp; Cam ...

The beach called, its' missing a few truckloads of small granular material!!!!

You both are prime suspects...........

We did have a full field.
Total entry fees $2080.00
Prizes, shirts, trophies etc. value over $3,700

Thanks to Innova and all our sponsors for making the 20th Cross State Doubles the best it could be, especially given the last minute change of venue.

Final scores are up .....

J-Bird announced that he & Tic Tac are splitting up after overpowering the field for years. They did this with the hope it will bring more Pro teams to the event, which they will continue to support.

You guys need to really rag your peers (the 1000 + rated players) about wussing out facing you on your home turf ( or possibly about anywhere)!!

Thanks to everyone who filled the field on our
20th Anniversary !!!

Sincerely
John Whinery
Tournament Co-Founder

You guys need to really rag your peers (the 1000 + rated players) about wussing out facing you on your home turf ( or possibly about anywhere)!!




Trash talking is not the way to get more folks to come out to your tourney. I'm glad I went and played in the best B Tier in NC of the year, DEPC! Unfortunately it fell on the same weekend as this tourney on these great courses.

Congrats to J-Bird and Tic Tac! See yall boys soon!

" rag your peers (the 1000 + rated players)"

I meant this in a good 'tongue in cheek' kinda thing not in some serious malicious way.

And in a poll of the full field (thanks again for attending everyone) it was unanimous that no one was coming because this is sanctioned. Also no one said that they would not be coming back if it returns to its' non sanctioned roots. If the top rated players want to come to a more laid back post USDGC event, this could be it. Camping on a private course (or two!) - cookout, 20 years and forward>>>>>

Thanks to all that volunteered or helped with the tourney. Thanks John for letting us use your course, it's definately the best in the area. Thanks Grubb for the great shots and putts. Had a great time all weekend and look forward to this tourney in the years to come, especially if it is non sanctioned and there is camping out on the property.

Why do the players want it to be non sanctioned?

About 50 of the 72 players were not members or choose to not keep their membership current, mostly the former. That's about $350 in PDGA fees paid by folks who do not choose to be annual members. Plus what do doubles 'points' mean anyway, if there are doubles points ... no player ratings are generated for those who are current ... other than a revenue stream for our organization why are any doubles sanctioned? Other than the general 'to support the organization' warm &amp; fuzzy feeling any particular player may gain what other benefit is there for these folks. And it may just be a sign of the times but we had more players in the years before we sanctioned, which is a relatively recent practice.

I generally post infrequently, other than promoting area events, especially Lakefront Disc Golf Club PDGA events, and am about to resume that practice now that we are done until the 22nd Lakefront Open @ Warrior's Path State Park, Kingsport Tn. in May.

Don't let this make you think I don't support the PDGA. I just renewed as a Pro for 5 years, even though the combination of arthritis &amp; injury in my hand has kept me from competing for a few years. I pay the same full fee as the top Pros in the game, even though I never expect to be able to compete again.

There are not alot of players here who play tournies through out the year, only a handful. That's why they don't join the PDGA and have to pay the extra $5. I am like John in a sense that I will pay my dues anyways. I like this board to chat and the magazine

If it's non sanctioned Maybe I'll attend again. But with 3 "Pro" teams it really wasn't worth the driven. Or have one Pro division. I really enjoyed all the course except "Carrier" but saw an awesome -14 with birdies on all the back nine. Congrats TicBird and I think you should continue playn together until someone beats ya. BS