Attention: Disc Golfers of Live Oak, San Antonio and the surrounding area

There is a saying, �If you are going to dream, then dream BIG!� This has been the growing sentiment for Live Oak and Alamo disc golf for the past couple of years in regards to hosting a future Worlds event in our area.

It is upon this vision a few disc golfers got together and started pursuing a vision of their own to finally have a disc golf course San Antonio could call its own. After seven months of planning and working in cooperation with the San Antonio Parks and Recreation Department it now looks as if this dream may come true.

The crew of Shawn Low, Wayne Atkinson, Matt Farrar, and �Turbo� Guckian has curtailed their disc golf play in order to make this a reality with a new disc golf course in Bryan McClain City Park. We would like to apologize up front for our lack of involvement in local minis and area tournaments during this time. We hope to soon meet all the new disc golfers who have started play in the area and catch up with everyone else.

Now for the exciting course details� Bryan McClain Park is located on O�conner road inside loop 1604. The main entrance is behind Longs Creek Elementary school on Knoll Creek. Bryan McClain Park will be a newly updated park with jogging trails and an 18 hole disc golf course complete with concrete tee pads. We can say with 99.9% certainty this course will be going in. Once we have a 100% certainty, further details and a production schedule will be posted for workdays. Course design has already been approved by San Antonio Parks and Recreation and a lot of preliminary work has been started. Upon an order confirmation and a delivery due date of 20 brand new Discatcher Pro baskets, your support and efforts will be appreciated to complete the next steps for the course in the form of chainsaws and muscle.

The projected completion date for the course is November 18th , the anniversary of the Aggie bonfire tragedy in which Brian McClain lost his life. Details for a Grand Opening event are pending. In order to show our gratitude for the city�s support on this project we are encouraging you to e-mail District 10 City Councilman Christopher �Chip� Haass at [email protected] We would also like to thank Carlos Mendez, who is with the department, for his hard work and determination to improve the park. Carlos, his staff and the rest of the Parks and Recreation Department have provided great support in planning this course and making it possible.

Check back to this thread for future postings and updates as they happen. Thanks in advance for your support and hope to see everyone on the course soon. And let�s not forget LIIIIIIIVVVVVE OOOOOOAAAK!!!!

Shawn, Wayne, Matt, Rob

Well done Fellas! Looking forward to once again seeing you on the course. :cool:

well done amigos!!!!

I sent an email and I am definitely looking forward to playing a new course.

The temp site (which will constantly be under construction is
www.wolfriders.com (http://www.wolfriders.com)

We hope to move this content to an official park site. The course layout is pretty accurate. There might be some tweaks as we finish cutting in the course. There is a potential work day if anyone can come out. I will post more information and definite dates soon

Looking forward to this new park! Thank's guy's!. You should also have this thread in the LODGA section.
Awesome! Cool pics on the webpage.

The first official work day is upon us. Saturday Sept 16 at 8 am.
We plan on clearing a small amount of scrub brush from 3 holes and widening the fair way of a 4th. Loppers are needed. We also plan to take some portable baskets out and play what holes we can. If you have a portable basket and would like to bring it along, please contact me at [email protected] Baskets or not, we should be able to play the first 11 holes.

Thanks again,
Shawn

the entrance to Brian McClain park is behind Longs creek elementary on Knoll Creek. to get there from 1604 take O'connor and turn left at the first light. turn right into the parking lot behind the school.

cant wait for this to open :cool:

Is Brian McClain park going to have representitive at Texas Teams tis year?

Texas Teams Update 2006

Texas Teams will be held November 18th and 19th this year. Circle R Ranch near Wimberly will host the event once again.

From the website www.circularproductions.com (http://www.circularproductions.com) ...

The Concept

Every course in Texas is invited to send a team. Teams may also represent schools or other organizations. Some courses send more than one team.

The Format

Teams compete head-to-head, so when A-Town plays B-Ville, A-Town�s #1 plays B-Ville�s #1, A-Town�s #2 plays B-Ville�s #2�etc. The team that wins the most individual matches gets the victory.

Rounds are 9 holes, and it�s all match play, so it�s not your total score that counts � it�s how many holes you win.

Most teams will play 4 rounds on Saturday and 2-3 rounds on Sunday.

Entry Fee

$45 per player. Every player gets a tournament sweatshirt, a tournament disc, greens fee, and free lunch on Saturday. Camping is free for Texas Team Championships.

Team Makeup

There are two divisions � Emerging and Established. Smaller towns and newer courses compete in the Emerging division. Teams consist of 6 players: 3 Advanced and 3 Intermediate.

Bigger cities and older courses compete in the Established division. Established teams have 9 players: 2 Pro, 2 Advanced, 2 Intermediate, 1 Master, 1 Amateur Woman, and one �swing� player (Pro Woman, Grand Master, or Advanced Master).

Payout

No cash, no prizes. It�s all for team pride and fun. There will be trophies for the top teams, plus awards for Best Dressed Team and Most Spirited Team.

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There are only 9 spots on each established team...

Open Pro (2)
Pro Master (1)
Advanced (2)
Intermediate (2)
Am Woman (1)
Swing Player (Pro Woman, Grand Master or Advanced Master) (1)

I know there were many who felt left out or just didn't know about the tournament till we had already made up teams. so if you are interested in playing let's start talking about it now.

Is this course ready yet? :D

Almost... the city is trying to finalize a workday on Oct 28... they are planning on bringing a bunch of workers out and if we have a good showing of disc golfers, we should be able to knock out the majority of the remaining work... I will post back when the work day is finalized and include details.

How's thing's?
Needed to bump this thread up a notch! :cool:

I saw Wayne and Shawn out in LO earlier this week, and they told me there's a workday this Saturday. Apparently the city is sending crews to help with whatever needs done, but help for direction and supervision is needed.

"Too many indians, not enough chiefs."

Be a chief.

What time does the work day start?

Last work day was 8:00am, so I assume the same this weekend.

The work day was interesting to say the least... due to weather earlier in the week, the day was cancelled then back on then cancelled and was finally back on as of Friday... The city brought out a tree crew about 25 workers, a backhoe and several brush trucks. We were able to clear several fairways and made amazing progress. With one more workday from the city like this, the only thing the course will need are baskets and tee pads. Speaking of which, the baskets are in and waiting in the warehouse to be installed. We will work on coordinating the next work day starting Monday and hope everything works out to finish up the park before the end of November. We will keep you posted.

District 10 is having it's Fall Festival Nov 11 in the parking lot of Midnight Rodeo from 10 to 2... I've never been but it sounded interesting... Wayne and I are setting up a booth for discgolf. Come on out and enjoy the food and fun if you can.

Wayne and I are setting up a booth for discgolf.



Sounds like fun... are you guys gonna have a basket out there too? :cool:

It was fun... We had two baskets and a mini basket. We had loads of people come by the booth and ask about the new course. After explaining a little about the sport everyone seemed interested in trying it out. Besides being a little windy, the day was beautiful.

so is this open?

Does this park have its own parking lot or do we use the schools? im assuming it is the schools since you pull into the school to get to it.

Not open yet. the baskets and materials to install them are in. December 5 the city is supposed to start building a retaining wall to support the tee box for hole 1. We need one more work day from the city to clear holes 14 and 15 and remove all the brush piles. Tee signs will be ordered as soon as I complete sketches for each hole.

The school parking lot is the parking for the park... it does not have it's own. I will be updating the www.wolfriders.com (http://www.wolfriders.com) website soon with new pictures and the sketches. If all goes well, I think it will still open before the end of the year.

thank you

Anymore work days coming up?

Funny you should ask about a work day... I was planning on posting something today...

We are planning a work day this saturday.
8 till 12. loppers are needed. if you have a pair of gloves, bring them... I should have 5 extra pair. Stay tuned for specifics on which holes we will be finishing up. Either way we will basically be clearing small brush and dragging brush piles.

gah! wrong thread

whats the latest on brian mclain??

Went out to help for a couple of hours, and took the tour. This is going to be a course with a little of everything: tight technical holes and some long and more open holes. One thing's for sure--par will be a good score.

I'd say it's about 70-80% complete, with some work days left to finish 3-4 holes and then it will be ready for baskets and tee pads.

Should be open in the Spring. Stay tuned for more opportunities to help!

thanks to everyone for coming out and helping. The city is trying to get baskets in before the end of the year. I have talked to them several times since the work day and they are working hard to get things organized for us to complete the course.Wayne and I are going to try to install a basket or two just to gauge the install time and the complete install should happen on Dec 30th if all goes as planned. this would mark the unofficial opening of the course since the tee boxes and tee signs won't go into until after the first of the year. This is also when the retaining wall on hole 1 would be done. I will keep everyone posted for any additional work days and the basket install. thanks again, and I can't wait for us all to get out and play this course.

thanks to everyone for coming out and helping. The city is trying to get baskets in before the end of the year. I have talked to them several times since the work day and they are working hard to get things organized for us to complete the course.Wayne and I are going to try to install a basket or two just to gauge the install time and the complete install should happen on Dec 30th if all goes as planned. this would mark the unofficial opening of the course since the tee boxes and tee signs won't go into until after the first of the year. This is also when the retaining wall on hole 1 would be done. I will keep everyone posted for any additional work days and the basket install. thanks again, and I can't wait for us all to get out and play this course.



Sweet! Thx for the Update! Pops!

Wayne and I are going to try to install a basket or two just to gauge the install time and the complete install should happen on Dec 30th if all goes as planned.



Shaun,

It took Doug and I about 6-7 hours to install the baskets at Lackland. The AF poured the holes and set the sleeve the week before we did this so all we had to do was assemble the baskets and then drop and lock them into place. The tedious part of this was putting the baskets together. They come in three sections which you have probably already seen. Doug started about two hours before I got off of work that day and had about 6 baskets completed. When I arrived we started a small assembly line and was able to knock the remaining 13 baskets out in about 3 hours. The long part after that was that only 6 baskets would fit in that back of my truck. We had to make 3 trips back to the warehouse to get another load of baskets. There was also a little down time playing a couple of holes after the baskets were dropped and locked.

One thing that you will need for the assembly and it is not mentioned in the instructions is a step stool or something of that nature. You want to be able to stand the basket up to put the top piece on that has the chains. You can get the chains screwed up and not totally around the pole if you do not drop this piece on correctly...examples were the two baskets at Nani Falcone.

Good luck and let me know when you are doing the main assembly, If I am in town, i'll be glad to help.

I cant wait for this to finish! its the closest to where I live.

how close is this from being finished?

Worked on hole 14 today... it is practically finished... hole 15 still needs a lot of work but it's the last one. I am going to try calling Larry about his tree trimming crew in the next day or two. We may go for 15 being a shorter hole (with a longer walk from 14) just to get started and then extent the fairway back to the intended Tee position. I will be calling the city about Dec 30 being the day to install the baskets and if all goes well they will be in on Sunday.

cool cool...i will defiantly check this out once you are done with it

I was out there today and I dont know how this is close to being finished. I walked to the back by the power lines...saw a barbed wire fence...I need to grab your map on your website to see exactly where the baskets are going. I can see where it was cleared out but it looks like a ton of work left... When are the tee slabs going in?

Even with the massive amount of rain on Friday night we painstakingly installed all 18 basket sleeves this weekend plus a practice basket. There were several holes that we had to scoop water out of but it was all worth it. I have all the baskets and as we assemble them we will get them out and locked in. We will be scheduling small work days to fine tune the holes and after a little work we can play the course. All the holes are cut in except hole 15. Plus hole 15 has large brush piles blocking the end of the fairway. We hope to get those moved very soon. Larry, if you read this, I will be calling you soon about your tree crew. I already gave your number to the city so they can contact you about contracting. Don�t know if they will follow through or not, but your expertise will be appreciated if you are available to help us.

Don�t forget to check www.wolfriders.com (http://www.wolfriders.com) for pictures and the course layout. I am slowly updating the course map with sketches of the holes. If anyone hits any aces as we get baskets in, please let me know� I would to keep track of as much as possible for posterity sake including record rounds and stats. If all continues to go well, we will get the tee signs and concrete tee boxes January or February. Oh and the city should finish their retaining wall around hole 1�s tee box in January.

basket sleeves? sorry im a noob when it comes to DG terminology

Ill check it out and your website.
I think i speak for all that we really appreciate your hard work!

Ill give a review once I can get out there and play the course

The sleeve is the below ground portion, encased in concrete.

Thanks for the update and for all the hard work.

thanks! I went out there today and took these 2 pics with my phone of the practice basket and probably hole #1

practice basket
http://i17.tinypic.com/2niweti.jpg

hole #1
http://i12.tinypic.com/3ygvfb5.jpg

if you can post here when you are going out there maybe I can be of some help with the finishing touches?

Sweeet!!!!!!!! And Thank YOU! :cool:

First 12 baskets are in plus practice and hole 18. I will try to get the rest out in the morning, maybe by noon.

I went out this afternoon to take a look - looks good. The first few fairways were a little soggy, but easily playable. I played what was available and walked the rest...

It's so close now, but there is definitely some work to be done. I'll be out of town this weekend, but will be glad to help next week(end).

Any guess as to a Grand Opening?

its suppose to be nasty tomorrow but you never know..I want to play this so bad now

i dont think ill actually play out here till the slabs are installed. ill be out there sometime to walk it...Saturday was too muddy

All the baskets are in. It was hard work and a lot of wheel barrowing� but its done.

On Tuesday the city is having their pre-construction meeting on the retaining wall around hole 1�s tee box. Like I said before, we will start with short work days to fine tune each hole and then play a round. I will keep everyone posted. Don�t let hole 15 or 17 discourage you from playing out there, they will be cleaned up as soon as possible. OH yeah and while there is water in the creek at the end of five you can use the fallen log to the left to get across.

how do you know where to throw from?

We are working on getting yellow rope out to mark the front of the tee boxes... Circular productions will be make the tee signs for us and we will get those installed after we finalize the holw sketches and get them in.

ok cool!

hey i dont know if this is a mistake or not but should hole 18 be hole 10? and hole 17 being 18?

hole 13 looks long!

click on the option for entire course
http://www.wolfriders.com/course_layout.asp

hole 3
sorry its a phone cam so not the clearest of pictures
http://i10.tinypic.com/2iszdjr.jpg


hole 4

this is where it starts getting hard
http://i1.tinypic.com/43zd445.jpg

hole 6 is so pretty....this pic doesnt show it
the creek is about 6 or 7 feet down...i can see people losing disc here. the basket is the thing in red
http://i10.tinypic.com/4gpjkeo.jpg

Ruben myself and Lyle played today!!!! LOVED it, nice job on the, although not complete its looking good. Looking forward to playing many many rounds out here. I even hit an Ace on #4

Sweet! 51 Jayson! :cool:

51 on the 18?

he means 51 as in the guys you were playing with give you $5 for ace and $1 for metal as long as it is basket and up.

Yes 51 was in affect.

whats the distance of every hole?

shawn check your PM box

Played it with a crew from San Marcos today. Still very rough in some of the back holes and walking trails need to be cleared and marked. Overall you got the makings of a great course so far!! Good mixture of shots that make hitting the fairway a premium, and even water on about four of the holes strategically placed very well. I'm going to give it another month and let the locals stomp out some more fairway space. Nothing like a little foot traffic to do half the work for you! :) Good job so far, keep up the good work!!!Scores: 55,58,60,66

We will try to put numbers on the baskets this Friday and while doing so, we will try to get some accurate distances to post.

To answer Johns question about hole 10 and 18... we put a lot of thought into the numbering and different reasons why it should be one way or the other. after many days of discussing it, we decided on what you see. With the figure eight design you can play the front or the back if you only have a short amount of time. the walk from the last hole is shorter this way as well as the fact that you wont cross someones fairway on the way out. but hey, you can take a shot at 18 between holes 9 and 10 if you want.... after all it's a fun hole.

now that i have played it a few times i think 18 is a perfect last hole. a lot of the holes have character..18 is one of them

Ropes are out on all the holes... holes 10, 13 and 15 are not in the desired locatoin due to additional clearing that needs to take place...
but here you go:

# - Distance
1 - 251
2 - 402
3 - 287
4 - 257
5 - 405
6 - 140
7 - 191
8 - 303
9 - 297
10 - 483* (will be 503)
11 - 313
12 - 220
13 - 575* (will be 605)
14 - 277
15 - 202* (will be 36???)
16 - 166
17 - 265
18 - 291

didn't get numbers on the basket this time, but will get that done next.

I went to add the course to the directory today and enter all the info and it was already done...??? anyone know who did it?

whos ph # is that? that might be a clue and there is more info needed like how many holes are >300 , 400-500 info like that. cant wait to play it and say THANK YOU for stepping up and making things happen in the SA area.

i did :cool:

No offense, but that was one of the things I was looking forward to.

since everyone is doing it already... We are going to try to list the Park as McClain Park... and drop the Brian. it's actually spelled Bryan... even though the city website has it spelled the other way... which is part of the reason I have been spelling it that way all this time. Regardless... McClain park is what we are shooting for.

sorry about that....little anxious :o

Shawn, you guys have done a great job!!!! Keep up the good and steady work!!! Can't wait for it to dry up after all this rain to play again!!

yeah... this rain is a real bummer. Next Saturday I am going to try to play the tournament in New Braunfels... my first one in a very very long time. I may try to do some work on Sunday as long as it's not wet. If anyone is interested, I'll be working on 15 or 17... right now those kind of drag the course down.

DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO #15. IT'S THE ONLY FAIRWAY I HIT ALL DAY! :D

can you give me any info. on the tourney in New Braunfels? I've been trying to find out about it but have had no luck. :confused: Thanks.

think they are starting at 10:00 but be there by 9:00-9:30 to sign up

found this in the live oak club thread

seewhere for president?

:D

isnt having one drunk as president enough :o:D

looks like the only damage is a fallen oak tree on hole 4. the tree was on the right side of the fairway and wasn't really in the way. Now however it is laying across the fairway. It will be removed the next time I go out. Also it looks like with all the rain the back nine can still be played... the front nine is a little soggy. Hope to schedule a workday in the next week or two and will keep everyone posted on the date.

the front nine is a little soggy.



well when you make holes in low lying areas and holes next to creeks your gonna get that...kinda like hole 6 at live oak except mcclain has several holes effected.

so does anyone know the current status of this course?

the front nine is a little soggy.



well when you make holes in low lying areas and holes next to creeks your gonna get that...kinda like hole 6 at live oak except mcclain has several holes effected.



I don't know if this is based on a lack of experience or simply poor observation but most courses are in floodplains and most courses experience this issue in one form or another. In saying the front nine was a little soggy, I was merely pointing out the fact that the front of the McClain course was affected so anyone going out to play could adjust accordingly. Some courses drain faster than others like Universal City. Since this course is brand new this type of information is unknown.

I have not met you and know nothing about you, but you seem to have comments about everything� I'm not sure what your intent is especially considering the way this one starts off, however you seem to presume a certain amount of ignorance on the part of course designers.

all the baskets are in. there are yellow ropes marking the front of the tee boxes. I plan on working this Sunday to clear some on 17 and possibly open up the path to 15. I will try to plan several workdays in the beginning of February once I get a chance to see what tournaments are taking place in the area. We will be framing tee boxes soon. Tee sign sketches are being developed and submitted to circular productions for draft...

let me know if there is something specific you want to know.

oh, I am trying to find cheap or free steel to use in the construction of the bridges if anyone knows of anything.

How cart friendly is the course?

there is only one real spot that is not cart friendly and that is the area around the basket on hole 5. this may be improved when we add some terraced steps leading up the side but that's a future project. with the planned bridges the rest of the course should not be a problem.

cleaned out around the basket a little, took the dead trees down in the middle of the fairway (was able to move some of it) opened up and cleared back to the area for the tee box. the hole measures 320 now. this one may be extended farthur back before the tee pads are poured.

the city said they would work on removing brush during the week and try to have the majority of it out by Feb 3... we'll see.

My anniversary is Feb 4 and my birthday is Feb 12 so the next work day is going to be tricky for me... but keep your eyes posted.

Why isn't the thread under the LODGA club thread? Or does that mean you don't consider the course part of the LODGA? :D

Why isn't the thread under the LODGA club thread? Or does that mean you don't consider the course part of the LODGA? :D



why would you automatically assume we are not part of LODGA? We didn't even know LODGA existed when we added this thread.

I nor wayne have been playing for the last year and have focused most of our time on this course. We created the thread under the forum that made sense "courses". There is no reason to start any rumors or try to stir up anything that isn't there. If this was supposed to be an invitation to be a part of the "alliance"... it's an odd way to go about it. Brian has already contacted me about moving the thread to the LODGA forum and I will do that soon. I look forward to working with everyone to make discgolf in the region grow and hope to be a part of the great ideas being discussed on Central Texas DG thread (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=OtherPDGATopics&Number=607328&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)

Thanks Shawn, you guys are doing a terriric job, can't wait to use McLain for LOSO!!

McClain Park (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=645013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&PHPSESSID=) is the new thread under the LODGA forum

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