i am trying to decide upon my set up for my Rev. Mini bag, and am interested in evaluating what the conventional wisdom is for driver/midrange/putter ratio... My home course is over 8000 feet and quite challenging (SSA = 70)...

could you get by with 10 discs or would it be too painful? :D

Hmmm...

2 T'Birds
1 F'Bird
1 Starfire
2-3 Rocs/midrangers
2-3 Putters Aviar/Rhyno

I would blend the Rocs and putters for the given weather/wind conditions...

1 DX Wraith
1 DX TeeRex
1 Z Predator
2 DX Teebirds
1 Z Buzzz
1 D Buzzz
3 S Wizards

That's all I would need. Normally I carry 3 DX Teebirds and 2 DX TeeRexes for 12 discs total. Cut out one of those each, and I'm down to 10.

I could easily get by with 10 discs without backups.

My normal bag has backups for all of my main discs.

10 Disc bag + putter pouch
1 - Firebird
1 - Wraith
1 - Tee-Rex
1 - Orc
1 - Crush
1 - Orion Fade
1 - Orion
1 - CE JLS
1 - DX ROC
2 - Putters

I need 2 putters because I use my super softs for most of my upshots. I need the one that is a little more overstable for outside of 100'.

1 Champ Firebird
1 Champ Orc
1 Star T-Rex
1 CE Leopard
9X Eagle fliiiiippppyyy
Champ Shark
8X Roc
10X Roc
10X Aviar
Glo Big Bead

JK Aviar X
Star Aviar
3x Roc
TL
SSW
SB
SW
SF

2 Teebirds
2 Predators
Wraith
3 Rocs
KC Aviar
Aviar Putter

3x JK Aviar
10x KC Aviar
3 Gremlins (DX, Proline, STAR)
Ch. Teebird
Proline Leopard
Ch. Firebird
DX Wraith
STAR Sidewinder

4-175g Champion Teebirds (new, used, worn and beat)
4-180g DX Rocs (new, used, worn and beat)
2-180G DX Shark (used, beat)

4 drivers (1 for max d, 1 for control max d, 1 accuracy, 1 utility)
4 mids (different stages of beatness)
2 putters (1 upshot, 1 putter)

thats how i would do it. i think that would cover all your needs on any course.

If I were held to only 10 discs:

* 3 Drivers ( overstable, straight, flippy)
* 3 Mids (overstable, straight, flippy)
* 3 Putters (overstable, straight, flippy)

The last disc would either be a trick shot disc selected specifically for the round or a backup of the most vital driver for the particular round. I know a lot of good players who carry few discs (6-10 range) but it would make me very nervous not to have backups in the bag.

I remember the story of Crazy John Brooks carrying 4 discs and a towel (no bag at all) during Pro Worlds in Michigan in '91. One of the courses was Riverbends Park with numerous water holes. That's way too scary for me.

Players with great skill can force a disc to do what they want. Having little inherent skill I find it much easier to have the disc help a lot with the shot. Sugar Schack was one of my early teachers and I use his method of choosing discs: take a new disc and throw it with your natural shots (straight, hyzer and anhyzer with your normal power). Watch what the disc does and use the disc, if at all, for what the disc naturally does in your hands. I don't force a disc to do anything, I just throw it for what it easily does.

I carry as many discs as my bag/cart will comfortably hold, usually in the 16-18 range. In a tournament round where losing discs is a real danger, I overpack the bag as much as I can. Then when I am playing a risky shot during the tourney, I won't throw one of my primary discs, instead choosing one of the "risk discs".

The Basic 9 (driver, mid, putter each at the 3 levels of stability) is always the starting point of packing the bag, the rest are backups or the rare trick shot.

The approach I take is dependent on the ability to try lots of different discs. Before I became sponsored, I just spent the money, knowing that a new disc had little chance of knocking a primary disc of the starting lineup. Now that I am sponsored it is great fun to try all the new stuff coming out. In the last few weeks Discraft has been releasing much of its line in the new ESP plastic and since I live 20 minutes from the factory I get to try it all. Any mold with different plastic is going to fly a bit (or a lot) different. It may be a real pain for the retailers to keep up with all the new discs but it is great for the players. More choices is great.

For folks in the Michigan area I carry the Discraft Test Box in my trunk. So anyone running into to me on the course is free to try all the new stuff and the old standards.

Mark Ellis

thanks for sharing your perspective. you need to make more roadtrips to Idlewild :D

I would carry
2 Spirits (1 new 1 beat)
2 Sabres (1 new 1 beat)
2 Element x (1 new 1 beat)
2 Blaze (1 new 1 beat)
2 Wizards (1 putting 1 driving)

2-spirits
1-scream
1-Blaze
1-element-x
1-element
2-wizards

That's only 8 so I'd but in an illusion for rollers and a ultrastar just to mess with people. :D

2 putters(cryztal challenger and a soft jk aviar or soft wizard)
Champ Gator
01 Roc
Classic Roc
X-Wasp
CE Leopard
JK Valk
Sidewinder
Z-Avenger

2-spirits
1-scream
1-Blaze
1-element-x
1-element
2-wizards

That's only 8 so I'd but in an illusion for rollers and a ultrastar just to mess with people. :D



someone needs to design a bag with an Ultrastar pouch. it would probably still be my go-to disc for all shots 275 ft and in if it had fit in a golf bag when i started playing :D

2 Rocs - 178-180
2 Aviars .............1 KC , 1 JK-X 174-175
1 Champ. Viking 174
1 Star Wraith 170
1 Dx Wraith 173
1 Champ TeeBird 174
1 Star TeeRex 173
1 Star Valk 175

I could easily get by with 10 discs without backups.

I agree. I only carry 8 different models, but I do carry at least one backup of each disc.

Full bag:
3 Z-Flicks (1 for thumbers)
2 Z-Crushes
2 ESP-Surges
2 Z-Flashes
2 Z-Trackers
2 Z-Wasps
2 Z-Buzzes
3 Challengers (2 Cryztal-Z, 1 Photon UV Soft)

For my minibag, I just remove all the backups while leaving the Photon UV Soft Challenger and my thumber Flick.

1 Star Teerex-distance
1 Champ Beast-long anhyzers and rollers
2 Champ Firebirds-big hyzers and and trick shots
2 teebirds-most drives, one would be more beat up
2 rocs-11x KC for short drives, DX for long approaches
2 aviars-11x KC for approach/upshots , DX for putting

Having played Idlewild... I would carry:
1 pro wraith for rollers
1 Firebird
3 Teebirds
3 rocs
1 turnover putter
1 stable putter (would putt with as well)

but having played the course, I would prefer to carry at least 3 more discs.

Local 101 Ch Firebird
3x Kc Teebirds
2x Kc Rocs
Glow Roc
Ontario Roc
2X Kc Aviars
CE Rhyno

Sorry, 11 discs

Thought I'd assemble an ALL Discraft bag, too:

Z-Pred
X-Pred
Z-Crush
Z-Wildcat
Z-Wasp
ESP-Buzzz
Photon-Wasp
Drone
D-Challenger
UV-Challenger



All Innova bag:


2 T'Birds
1 F'Bird
1 Starfire
2-3 Rocs/midrangers
2-3 Putters Aviar/Rhyno

1 Tee Rex
1 CFR Wraith
1 Champ Starfire
2 Champ Vikings (one max one 170g)
1 Champ Monster
1 DX Roc
1 Rubber Shark
1 DX Aviar

And room for one more

Yea I know its driver heavy but I use the vikings as midrange-long shots

174 Z Tsunami
174 Z Surge
174 ESP Surge
174 Z Tracker
178 Z Wasp
178 1st Run BUZZZ
174 1st Run BUZZZ
173 2nd Run Cam Todd Challenger
174 Beat up D Challenger

175 champion monster
175 special blend orc
171 star beast
175 star TL
175 very beat CE TL
178 ESP buzzz
178 nicely beat X-buzzz
178 beat to crap D-buzzz
175 firm wizard
172 supersoft wizard

Star Aviar
SB Roc
Super Roc
Star Coyote
KC Eagle
DX Orc
Star Sidewinder
Pro Starfire
Star Wraith

This is my bag. I'm usually breaking in another DX Orc, that makes ten discs.

1 Z Pred
2 DX Teebirds -- 1 new, 1 broken in
3 DX Valks -- 1 new, 1 broken in, 1 thrashed
3 DX Rocs -- 1 new, 1 broken in, 1 thrashed
1 S Soft Wizard

This is pretty much the bag I carry now and always have.


sleepy

My 10 Disc Bag would include

1 10X KC Pro Banshee (173 Tomahawk)
1 Star Firebird (171)
1 Champion Monster (168)
1 Z Avenger (171)
1 Z Surge (174)
1 DX Roc (180 Newer)
1 DX Roc (180 A little Beat Up)
1 DX Roc (180 Beat up)
1 Star Aviar
1 3x JK Aviar

Thats 10

After Yesterday i would have to seriously think about adding a Star monster to the bag :)

176 Nike Spirit ( still slightly overstable and money after 3 years in the bag)
175 E Speed Demon DT ( Just started throwing it Yesterday, WOW, Dimple Technology is the future!!!!)
174 S Illusion, slightly domey ) HUGE in the air and as a roller)
175 E Illusion (Broken in for long left to right or Hyzer flips)
176 EFX Sabre (Very straight over a wide range of D)
176 S Sabre ( roller/ Hyzer flips, in the bag for 5 years)
174 S Blaze (still flies like New after 3 years and still overstable)
Medium/Firm 175 Wizard ( straight, Straight, Straight) over 2 years in the bag
Medium 175 Wizard ( turnover) over 4 years in the bag
Soft/Medium 173 Wizard slightly (domey for putting and approaching)

I carry about 14 discs, the other 4 are usually prototypes I'm testing!

All in a Players bag which is also over 4 years old. :D

172 Z Pred
168 X/Z Avenger
170 Champ Orc
172 Z Flash
172 Champ Roadrunner
178 Z Wasp
178 ESP Buzzz
177 D Buzzz
2x 174 D Challenger
173 Cryztal Challenger

I know, it's 11, but the Orc and Avenger are similar for me, so I could pull one if I was forced to. Same with the Flash and Roadrunner, though less similar, i could do with one or the other if I had to.

"just" 10 discs? thats more than enough if you do not carry back-ups.
2 dx spiders
dx and champ gator
2 e sabres
dx wraith
z-pred

A Aviar , Roc and TeeBird........................................... .................................................. ...............And a really cute gal as my caddie !!!! :D

how could you not get by with 10 discs?????

I played with 3 for the first 2 years, then 7, and now I carry 11 at the absolute max (12 years of playing)

And really it all consists of

2 sidewinders
2 firebirds
2 aviars
1 roc
1 coyote
3 aviars

In The Bag:
174 S Starfire
164 C Starfire
175 C TeeBird
167 S TeeBird
180 C Shark
180 P Shark
175 C Aviar
175 S Aviar
175 DX Aviar

Firebird
Eagle
Wraith
TL
Leopard
11X Roc
Wasp
10X Roc
10X Avair
Avair P&A

"just" 10 discs? thats more than enough if you do not carry back-ups.



well, that's my dilemma. if i do go to a Revolution Mini bag even for tourneys -- what 10 discs do i carry? some may be back-ups unless i gamble there is no need for backups.

i am thinking right now:

Star Starfire
SB Orc
Champ Orc
Pro Orc
Star TL
Champ Roadrunner
Star Coyote
Glow Coyote
QMS
DX Stingray
JK Aviar-X
beat DX Aviar P & A

but that is 12. it seems 9 plus 1 in the putter pouch is the best fit. i am still weighing the Mark the Lizard Lawyer Ellis
perspective... Why "Lizard" lawyer? the doors? :confused:

But you need to learn how to throw that Leopard smoothly, MTL. ;)

Star TeeRex
Star Wraith
Star TL
Champion Leopard (may be switching to Star)
Champion Sidewinder or Roadrunner
Champion or Star Coyote
Pro or 2002 CE Roc
Champion Stingray
Champion Aero (saved me a bunch at worlds from 380 in)
3x or 5x JK Aviar

There is still room for the Champion Monster X. Gotta have that for thumbers and extreme hyzers and skip shots and scoobies.

Also try a 170 Star Wraith or a 173 Dx Wraith.

Champ Orc
Star Valkyrie
Champ Roadrunner
Champ Firebird
Star Teebird

E ElementX
E Element

E Wizard
S Wizard

...and a mini. :cool:

My 10:

Drivers: Tsunami, Surge, Flick all 170ish
Mids: Z Buzzz, Z Wasp, Beat D Wasp, E Wizard, Medium Wizard, Soft Magnet all but the magnet near max weight.
Putter: Soft Wizard

Z Surge
Z Predator
1st run Z Flick
1st run Z Buzz
1st run glow comet :D
Z Crush
Stratus
Soft Challenger(2)
Soft Magnet

2 - CE Eagle
2 - CE Valkyrie
2 - CE Firebird
2 - Z-MRV
2 - SE Rhyno

I only use 5 models, and I carry a backup of each.

2 x Star Wraith
1 x Star Firebird
1 x Star TL
3 x Glow Roc
2 x DX Aviar P&A
1 x Sinus AP

I removed 2 Discs, 1 Glow Roc and a practice Putter =)

Star Teerex
Star SL
Pro SL (broken in)
Star Firebird
Star TB
Pro TL (broken in)
Star Roc
SB Roc
Star Coyote
Omega P&A
All max weight

Ch. Starfire(original mold)
STAR SL
2x 10x Eagles
Ching Roc
2x SB Rocs
3x Aviar P&As

: ) :

1. Ram
2. champ firechicken
3. star teerex
4. kc pro teebird
5. sidewinder
6. ch roc
7. beat dx roc
8. ch rhyno
9. pro line rhyno
10 HOMIE!!!

put your money on me, boys and girls

1 Champ Rhyno
1Pro D Challenger
1 Star Teebird
1 Star TL
3 KC Rocs
1 Monster
1 Star SL
1 Pro SL

Omega SS
DX Aviar
S Element
ESP Buzzz
CE Leopard
Champion Roadrunner
Z Predator
Pro Orc
SB Orc
DX Wraith

Z Avenger
Z Flash
Z Predator
Z Flick
Z Crush
g5i Demon
Z Wasp
ESP Buzz
D Challenger
X Challenger

I would carry 2 condors, 2 Phenix�s, 2 Lynx, 2 Zephyrs, and 2 rubber putters

But thats just me :D

jk aviar for putting
champion firebird for hyzer spikes, tomahawks, and sidearm shots
pro wraith
pro starfire
champion gator, same use as firebird, just for shorter shots
jk valkyrie for S shots
element x for midrange shots (this is phasing out my pro gremlin)
cfr x out champion classic roc, approaches and short drives
champion starfire, distance sidearm shots
star sidewinder, turnover and rollers

CE Firebird
2 Star Wraiths
Champ Teebird
CE Leopard
SB Roc
Beat KC Roc
Champ Gator
2 Soft Wizards

basically my bag now, minus my backups

I think I did carry just ten discs on Saturday.

Z-Avenger
2 ESP Surges
1 ESP Pulse
2 Z Buzzzes
1 D Banger
2 Soft Magnets
1 Soft X Puttr

Mostly I just use the soft Magnets to keep the frozen beverages off the other discs! So it was more like 8 discs.

I won with that combination in Am Master. Would have won in Pro women too if they had needed a third to have a division! ;)

Last round, I only carried 4.

DX ROC, Putter, star TeeRex and star Wraith.

A Putter , Mid-Range and Two Drivers.....................and a Sweet Golf Cart.

This year I switched back to a starter golf bag and I usually carry between 9-10 discs:

1 JK Aviar
1 DX Aviar beat in
1 2001 CE Roc
1 9X KC Roc
1 San Marino Roc (1990) beat to crap
1 Star Stingray
1 JK Valk
1 CHMP Sidewinder
1 Pro Starfire
1 Star Wraith

I add or subtract depending on the course. :D

1-162 Champion Orc
1-164 Champion Orc
1-166 CE Leopard
1-170 Champion Leopard
1-168 Champion Eagle
1-166 Star TL
1-167 Champion Firebird
1-179 Champion Cobra
1-175 Champion Rhyno
1-180 Pink Star Roc

Of course, once I pick up a Star Rhyno, something will have to go. Hmmmmm...........

max champ firebird
max star teebird
max star teerex
max star tl
straight roc
flippy roc
max champ shark
max 10x aviar
max 11x aviar
max beat kc aviar

max Z Avenger
max Q Orion LF
max Champion Viking
max Q Orion LS (someday)
max Champion Valk
max Champion Sidewinder
max Q Sentinel
max Champion Cobra
max Champion Coyote
max Champion Aviar

I like how people throw Innova with no discraft, or discraft with no Innova. Hmmmm....

I like how people throw Innova with no discraft, or discraft with no Innova. Hmmmm....



Did you look at the post just above your's? I used to even throw a Gatway (G5i) but it was just too overstable.

A handful of Dcraft drivers, a few of Dcraft's mids and a couple of tasty swirlicious swirls. :p

You think throwing one companies discs is wierd ... How about this ...

Putting Roc
Mid-overstable Roc
Mid-stable Roc
Mid-understable Roc
Driving-overstable Roc
Driving-stable Roc
Driving-understable Roc
Trick Shot Roc
Rain Hat Roc
Dog-dish, rolling tray Roc

Just being silly ... :p

You think throwing one companies discs is wierd ... How about this ...

Putting Roc
Mid-overstable Roc
Mid-stable Roc
Mid-understable Roc
Driving-overstable Roc
Driving-stable Roc
Driving-understable Roc
Trick Shot Roc
Rain Hat Roc
Dog-dish, rolling tray Roc

Just being silly ... :p




And if a dog attacks you do you throw a Rock Roc at it? :D

Mine was:
1 Discraft
4 Millenium
5 Innova

Champ Orc - 171 (well used)
SB Orc - 175
Star Tee Rex - 172
Champ Firebird - 169
Champ Monster - 172
First run Sidewinder - 171
DX Roc - 180 (beat in)
2006 USDGC SB Roc - 180
DX Spider - 168
JK Aviar-x - 175

If I had to carry 10 discs, it would be 3 too many...

Champion Monster
ESP Surge
Candy Paint Tsunami
Z Predator
Tweaky Buzzz
Drone
Photon Challenger

173 Tsunami
174 ESP Surge
174 Special Blend Orc
174 domey Squall
174 flat Squall
178 Z Hawk
180 X Comet
174 Stratus
174 JK Aviar
174 Soft Wizard

175 Pre-Dater
171 Pro Wraith
175 Starwinder
175 XS
177 X Buzz
177 ESP Baby Bwue Buzz
177 Photon Glow Wasp
175 Soft Wizard
175 Champ Rhyno
175 DX XD

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1 E Spirits - helixes, spikes and overhand shots
1 S Illusion - long flip shots
1 EFX Hybrid - straight shots that require fade
1 E Sabre - straight shots with no fade
1 E Scream - b/c it bombs, even at slow arm-speeds
1 S Demon - for aces :D aka mid-range shots of all kinds
1 E Blaze - mid-range hyzer shots with float
1 S Element - midrange anhyzers and flat shots
2 Soft Wizards - one for putting and the other for 200-feet and in

Pro Line Monster - Overstable, forehand roller, trick
SB Orc - Main driver
Star Sidewinder - flippy, backhand roller
Star TL (Or Z-Tracker) - Multipurpose
Z-Buzzz - Understable Midrange
Z-Wasp - Straight Midrange
Champ Rhyno - Approach and putting

To get to 10 I could also throw in a Z-Flick for sidearm, a more stable sidewinder for long downhill shots, and a Pro Line Phyno for sidearm and gravel putts.

my currebt bag has 10 molds (+ backups) of varying plastics.

whippet-x
firebird
tee-rex
wraith
orc
tee-bird
sidewinder

wasp
buzzz

rhyno

172 CE FX Firebird for forehand shots and cuz I like CE plastic.
169 Champion Firebird for forehand, spike hyzer and low skippers.
2 Star Wraiths (175g) One newer and one slightly seasoned. Obviously these are for distance.
2 Star TeeBirds. One seasoned and one newer. Use for controlled distance or for shots I want to throw hard but make sure they don't turn over.
2005 180 Champion Roc. Gotta throw a Roc for lotsa shots!
Nicely beat 2003 Dx Ice Bowl Roc. Gotta have that beat roc that you know will turn over and stay over.
175 D-Challenger for short drives, upshots and long putts
DX Aviar for all other putting.

If I were to squeeze one more disc in (that would be 11 I know) it would be a Z-Buzz because they fly so nice and not quite like a Roc and sometimes it just feels right.

Go play with your discs!

-MADMAX

CFR Starfire Origonal Mold 175g
Star TeeRex 175g
Champion Firebird 172g
Champion Eagle 175g
First Run Champion Sidewinder 175g

Z Buzzz 175g
Star Coyote 180g
First Run Champion Gator 175g
Z Breeze 175g
DX Aviar 175 g

Fairly well-rounded, but in reallity i would probably choose all orcs, teerexes and wraiths...

Easy one, my standard setup is 10 discs :D

Putter: Ching Powerline Juju 174g
Short approach/finesse: Discraft Rattler 174g
Longer/overstable approach: Discraft X Challenger 172g
Straight midrange: 1st run Discraft Z-Buzz 173g
Overstable midrange: Innova KC 8x Roc 180g
Overstable longer midrange: Latitude64 Medius 178g
Understable driver/roller: Discraft Z-Flash 171g
Long straight driver: Discraft Z-Surge 171g
Long overstable/forehand driver: Innova Star Teebird 171g
Overstable/headwind driver: Innova Star Teebird 174g

I think that with these areas of use, you can face just about any course, just replace my discs with ones from the same categories of your own liking... I've also chosen the discs so the most of them can overlap into one, or even two, neighboring areas of use, which eliminates the need of backups.

The only changes i might do to adjust for extreme weather conditions is when it's reeeally windy, when i switch the heavy Teebird for a Z-Predator, and add a max weight Z-Wasp to the arsenal.

Being a master division player, and having carried dg bags around on my shoulders for nearly three decades, I now try to keep my bag as light as possible to avoid excessive strain and fatigue... Phenix double shoulder straps of course...

I typically only carry 9 discs.. 3 drivers, 3 mids, 3 putters. Ocasionally I will throw in an extra overstable driver on a windy day.


ESP Surge (controlled distance)
Champ Sidewinder (turnovers and finese drives)
Champ Orc (sidearm shots, thumbers etc)
Z Buzzz (straight shots and turnover shots)
Z Wasp (medium range hyzer shots, tight anhyzer routes)
Element X (midrange utility disc)
Soft Challenger (anhyzer and finese putts)
Soft Wizard (short drives, upshots and putting)
JK Pro Aviar (putting and approach)

Star Wraith 175g money driver
Champ Starfire 175g big hyzers
Champ Orc 172g
Champ Sidewinder 175g woods and turnovers and rollers
2 Z Storms 176g and 173g poor mans SB Roc
2 KC 11x Rocs 180g one straight one anny
1 Pro-Line Spider 175g money approach
1 V-Chain Aviar 175g money all day