Who's going, who's winning, who is going to be a part of one of the best amateur tournaments on one of the best courses in the world?

Someone From North Carolina

Someone From North Carolina



Logan Sheets and Jeremy Bond from NC are going and both have mad game.

I hate to say this but someone from MI is going to win it this year and then take his first cash at at the United State Disc Golf Championship in SOUTH CAROLINA!!!

If you dont know now you know!!!

No, somebody from MI will get 3rd, and then swear that next year will be his last year. AM I Right? :)

That's funny Ex...course knowledge is gonna have a high premium however. Local boys outta do well. I got some putting pointers from Jeremy Bond tonight only while JJ and Jackie Smalls walked through the baseball diamond at Kentwood. Birds of a feather flock together

NC isn't gonna win World's or USADGC.

Oh yeah, then we tied at -15 after 18. May the best man win!

someone from michigan will win, this course is too hard to win playing it blind or for the 2nd or 3rd time.

I will win the speed golf at the end of the tourney.

someone from michigan will win, this course is too hard to win playing it blind or for the 2nd or 3rd time.

I will win the speed golf at the end of the tourney.



What about some older fart that will be playing it (the tourney) for the fourth year running? I'm gonna have to throw putters off the tees in my qualifying round so you guys don't know what I'll shoot over the weekend!!!

Like last year, Dawn and I will be opening up the house to AM Nationals participants. We live as close as any hotel to the Tobaggon course, and everyone who stayed last year had a great time.

So far, only 1 person has reserved a spot with us. Details are listed below:

-$5 per night per guest.
-12 minutes from Toboggan course
-Large house with plenty of floor space(including 3 extra bedrooms with beds, and 2 pull out couch beds - although 1 is lumpy)
-3 acre private 15 hole course - average length about 325 ft
-lots of room for putting and driving practice
-Texas hold 'em games/tourneys likely Thursday - Saturday
-Indoor Ping Pong Table
-2 beers on tap(this is free - not part of lodging fee)

The only catch is that we will probably take in up to 12 people, and the shower situation can get sticky(the wife has 1st choice at shower times!!). This was not a big problem last year, as the tee times are scattered, but it should be mentioned. It is also possible there will be some late nights, so keep this in mind if you are a light sleeper(ear plugs are great).

You are welcome to check in anytime, so if you wish to come early for lots of tobaggon practice, that is cool. We are also flexible with check out dates, so you don't have to leave on Sunday.

We ask that only tournament players inquire, as we have a guest limit and would like to use these to help tourney players. If you are 100% coming for the AM Nationals and would like to stay with us, please email me at [email protected]

Thanks,
Matt

I may take you up on that offer if I can schedule work around it.

Cool. I would try to act fast. Last year we filled pretty quickly after I posted the info on the Discussion Board. I have rec'd one request already since posting last night. If any of last year's guests are playing again, they will probably be asking soon as well.

Matt

On a side note, the tournament reg has been updated. This week has been crazy so far. I guess people are starting to realize that you MUST pre-reg for this tournament. :eek: Players pack items are getting finalized (will be another good one as always).

See the USADGC site (http://www.amnationals.com/Registration/PlayerList.asp) for the most information on the competitors, or the PDGA site (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5520)

When is the course going in and when am I going to be on the list of qualifyed players???

Mills - if you go to the 'player ratings invites' section, you will see your name. I think that means you are qualified.

Weren't you supposed to be pro by this time in 2006? :D

nc will be bringing home the title at the usadgc and the usdgc wait and see

Not @ USADGC if I have anything to say about it!!! Looking for a caddy for all three rounds...........I pay 2 Z Discs plus lunch every round you caddy for me!!! Holla at cha boi if you can help me out!!!

I just pre reged, so I'll be there. I need to get revenge on the course for handing me my arse last year!

I just pre reged, so I'll be there. I need to get revenge on the course for handing me my arse last year!



It won't be the course handing you your arse this year.....

Got a caddy lined up....its going to be a fun tournament!

I cant wait either and I also have a caddy lined up for saturday and sunday............Now all I need is someone on friday........I pay well and you dont have to do much but carry my bag and maybe give some advice if I ask for it!!! Few Z/Champion discs and lunch if you caddy on friday!!! Let me know!!!

Steve you can caddy for me on Sunday...because you will probably be so ticked off with your performance you will want to quit anyway. :D

PS....You have a PM

Steve you can caddy for me on Sunday...because you will probably be so ticked off with your performance you will want to quit anyway. :D

PS....You have a PM



He'll be no more ticked off than you'll be. Have you ever played this course? This course and tournament provide the truest test to how Disc Golf should be played.

The PDGA course evaluators should get to this course while its up so it can be the top rated course in the World....because it should be!

Im sure the course will play as tough as ever. Any changes to the course for this year? I wont know until the last minute if Im going to be able to make it this year. If I dont make it, good luck to all the players. I would have to agree, someone from MI should win this one from what I see of the pre-regs so far, but thats only if I dont make it up! :eek: :D

The PDGA course evaluators should get to this course while its up so it can be the top rated course in the World....because it should be!



It's too bad it's not permanent. So many permanent courses need to be evaluated before even considering some of the more utilized temp courses. The Vista del Camino temp course (Memorial) is better than the permanent one but couldn't be made permanent because it would disrupt other activities in the park.

Im sure the course will play as tough as ever. Any changes to the course for this year? I wont know until the last minute if Im going to be able to make it this year. If I dont make it, good luck to all the players. I would have to agree, someone from MI should win this one from what I see of the pre-regs so far, but thats only if I dont make it up! :eek: :D



No changes to the course for this year......We put permanent sleves in the ground for all the baskets after the tournament last year so all the baskets will be sleved and in the ground for this years tournament which is nice cuz i know the portable ones can cause some NASTY roll aways if the disc hits the wheel or the portable ring!!!

Im going to see if I can go out there with a shovel and level out some of the areas where the Teepads will be this year cuz a couple could use some work!!!

Cant wait to see everyone who is going to come play this year!!! If anyone needs some floor to crash on just let me know!!! Still looking for a caddy for friday!!! 3 discs and lunch for anyone who will do it!!! Holla at cha BOI!!!

He'll be no more ticked off than you'll be. Have you ever played this course? This course and tournament provide the truest test to how Disc Golf should be played.



Nope, never played it....that is why I am coming early. Plus it is my last Am event ever (unlike Mills lol) and I am going to have fun and enjoy myself, because now I will have to be all professional and such.

By the pictures (not many posted) it looks like a shorter, more reachable version of Blue Valley in KC. If I can survive that, I can survive anything.

Plus were all Am's anyway....we play just for the "fun" of it, not like there is any money on the line anyway. :D

Lodging FYI -

We have 7 spots reserved at the 'Lacey Inn' as of this morning, so the bedrooms are now full. We can put 3 more on the floor(comfortably - bring air mattress or bag) of the family room. The rest of the house is where everyone will be hanging out, and since we will take 12, the last 2 would have to snooze around the scene, which may run late. There are a couple of couches that can be slept on - this would work for the heavy sleeper, or potentially a 4th person might fit in the family room.

I expect the final spots to fill quickly, so if you are interested, email or call ASAP. Details are further up in the thread.

Matt

He'll be no more ticked off than you'll be. Have you ever played this course? This course and tournament provide the truest test to how Disc Golf should be played.



Nope, never played it....that is why I am coming early. Plus it is my last Am event ever (unlike Mills lol) and I am going to have fun and enjoy myself, because now I will have to be all professional and such.

By the pictures (not many posted) it looks like a shorter, more reachable version of Blue Valley in KC. If I can survive that, I can survive anything.

Plus were all Am's anyway....we play just for the "fun" of it, not like there is any money on the line anyway. :D



This course is anything BUT short and reachable........Its long and technical and grueling!!! It will chew you up spit you out and leave you feeling like an AM 3......At which time you will be BEGGING for it to be a permanent course so you can get REVENGE!!!

I just pre reged last night and from what I hear the players packs are going to once again be AMAZING and worth much more then your entry fee!!!

Cant wait to see everyone again!!!

PS im still looking for a caddy for friday!!!

Does anyone know when the course is going in i have never played it and i am planning on playing this year if i can find some more peeps that are going

Does anyone know when the course is going in i have never played it and i am planning on playing this year if i can find some more peeps that are going



Todd White, the TD, said it will be going in this Sat. the 26th on another dg forum

Dan, you better get over there and play it....

The Lacey Inn is now full(pending tourney registration) and is turning people away. I have 4 players on a waiting list.

If any spots open up(many reserved are not registered for tourney yet), I will post here to inform.

For those reserved, please get registered for the tourney ASAP.

Thanks
Matt

Im not as close as Matt is to the course but I may be willing to host a few people at my place!!! My mom loves cooking food for disc golfers!!!

Im there.....now does your mom love paying for gas for disc golfers!!? :D

Billy,
A tall statement, make sure your game matches your statements.

RonSTL
:cool::cool:

Im not as close as Matt is to the course but I may be willing to host a few people at my place!!! My mom loves cooking food for disc golfers!!!



Millz - You are more than welcome to bring some of that good cooking over to the Inn. :D

You gonna be interested in any HE tourneys Am Nats weekend? We'll be running some - possibly any or all nights Wed - Sat. Indoors with the AC this time. It's about time you, Romine, Smart and Stahlin made it over for a game. You get my emails, no?

Im not as close as Matt is to the course but I may be willing to host a few people at my place!!! My mom loves cooking food for disc golfers!!!



Millz - You are more than welcome to bring some of that good cooking over to the Inn. :D

You gonna be interested in any HE tourneys Am Nats weekend? We'll be running some - possibly any or all nights Wed - Sat. Indoors with the AC this time. It's about time you, Romine, Smart and Stahlin made it over for a game. You get my emails, no?



I might be intrested but you know me im going to be really consentrating on the tourney since its my last time to prove myself in the USADGC so ill probly be going home to bed after the festivities at the course are done..........But ill try and make it over........I have got your emails but I have been busy with my new job and havent really had the flow to play any cards recently so I have just been laying low..........Ill make it over there though in the near future now that im almost getting into the positive with my money situation!!!

ROMINE dropped off the EARTH though bro he doesnt even play disc golf anymore really so I doubt he will ever make it out for poker or golf!!!

The course is now in! :D Thanks to all that helped and those of you playing in the tournament, may it give you good Karma during your rounds.

There might be a couple of tweeks this year (already did hole 11), but they will be based on hard FACT (from the previous 2 years scores). I will be working with Jim and the park to make them happen. The other one that I know for sure that we need to do is hole 9. Both tweaks are to reward big arms for long ACCURATE shots giving them a good chance at a birdie instead of a 60 foot put like last year. :D

Oh... I was told by someone to mention that ALL fairways are wide enough to drive a Jeep pulling a trailer through. :D ;) :eek:

Has always been that way, but I thought it was a funny comment.

By the pictures (not many posted) it looks like a shorter, more reachable version of Blue Valley in KC. If I can survive that, I can survive anything.



This course is anything BUT short and reachable........Its long and technical and grueling!!! It will chew you up spit you out and leave you feeling like an AM 3......At which time you will be BEGGING for it to be a permanent course so you can get REVENGE!!!



I said shorter and more reachable.....not short and reachable.

You have obviously never played Blue Valley.

Whatever, we aint playing Blue Valley for the Am National Title. You better be gettin here soon, we're practicing every day.
Played some doubles Sat and Sun, best score both days was +1, 55. Going back today for some singles, the goal is +5, 59. What's the best singles round yet this year?

Todd,
How long will the course be in after event. I'm coming up for the Uof M vs. nd and Wis games so I'll have a week to play all the old courses HM, Kenningston, and more. Also is Ron Howard still around?
Brad SMith

MN is gonna represent again this year. Gerth is gonna shred this course! Sorry MI & NC but you got some work to do. :D:eek:

Dont sleep on VA. Erik Smith and Naved Hasnain are coming to represent.

Whatever, I'll do what I want. She can't control me, I'm outta control.

LOL.


Don't worry about me...I have a secret weapon. It is something a few of you Michigan golfers lack.

HA!

LOFLMAO

I'll find out later this week how long it will be in. Hopefully Nov 15.
Yes, Ron's around somewhere I'm sure he will be at the tournament sometime. :D

I can't believe a thread has not started about what will be in the player's pack this year. :eek: There is at least 1 person who knows, the other one is with Hoffa and they'll never find them (the barn was just a decoy). :cool:
Isn't anybody interested??? :confused: :o

I shot a singles round of 59 yesterday with 2 missed 20 footers and NO 2s...........Felt pretty bad to me...........Im thinking a 8 over for the weekend will win it this year!!! And by 8 over I mean par 54!!!

I hope everyone thats great comes down to play so that when I win no one can say that the field was weak or that so and so played crappy or this that or the other thing..........So everyone needs to BRING IT!!!

Thanks, maybe we'll get a round together

I'm sure we can arrange it. You staying for the celebration Sunday night? :cool::D

...Im thinking a 8 over for the weekend will win it this year!!! And by 8 over I mean par 54!!!



So "Everything is par 3". What a meaningless and outdated way of calculating par!

...Im thinking a 8 over for the weekend will win it this year!!! And by 8 over I mean par 54!!!



So "Everything is par 3". What a meaningless and outdated way of calculating par!



By that you mean Steve is meaningless, right? :eek: Course par is 62.

Oh yea, shot her up yesterday, finally threw some singles. The rain never stopped, I took a couple 7's, and I was only like 10 strokes off of my goal. But Scott White did get something accomplished...

COURSE PICTURES! (http://local101dg.com/courses.htm)

nice pics Scott, gives a good perspective of the course, but you still can't fully appreciate it until you see and play it. Very jealous I can't play this year.

I'll be up there the 17-24th so I don't know what Celebration you're talking about unless the ones from U of M winning

...Im thinking a 8 over for the weekend will win it this year!!! And by 8 over I mean par 54!!!



So "Everything is par 3". What a meaningless and outdated way of calculating par!



By that you mean Steve is meaningless, right? :eek: Course par is 62.


http://www.amnationals.com/Course/ANC-Score-Cards-f.gif

Ok, #2 is a par 5, #6, #7, #15 are par 4's. What else is not a par 3? Im guessing #13 and #17.

That's an old card.....I will work on updated info (I think I need 12 assitants!) :D

Par 5 - 2
Par 4 - 3, 6, 7(the stats changed my mind on this), 13, 15, 17

Either way if someone finishes at 170 or better for the 3 rounds I think that will take it this year!!! Anyone up for a round at about 10 tomorrow morning??? Call my cell if your interested 248 444 9225

If you show up and play there is a good chance youll get to play a round with this years winner :eek: :eek: :eek:

Either way if someone finishes at 170 or better for the 3 rounds I think that will take it this year!!! Anyone up for a round at about 10 tomorrow morning??? Call my cell if your interested 248 444 9225

If you show up and play there is a good chance youll get to play a round with this years winner :eek: :eek: :eek:



Naw, I won't be out there til at least 5pm.

Big ups to Mills for hookin up the va boys. Appreciate that homie. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. We'll catch you wed night or so.

also, a HUGE thank you to Matt Lacey for holding us a spot then having us bail once we realize theres 4 beastly little long hair cats running around. it seems everyone from MI is down as #$*&$!. thanks for the love, now im coming to rape your course.

That's an old card.....I will work on updated info (I think I need 12 assitants!) :D

Par 5 - 2
Par 4 - 3, 6, 7(the stats changed my mind on this), 13, 15, 17



What method are you using to determine par? And what is the playing level of the course-- Gold, Blue, White, Red? Par needs to be based on the intended playing level that the course is designed for. If you send me the hole lengths and elevation changes I can send you a spreadsheet with the 3 main par methods-- Close Range Par, Score Avg. Par, and Ball Golf Par. Send the info to Lyrhnc(at)gmail.com (replace (at) with @).

now im coming to rape your course.


HAHAHAHA

also, a HUGE thank you to Matt Lacey for holding us a spot then having us bail once we realize theres 4 beastly little long hair cats running around. it seems everyone from MI is down as #$*&$!. thanks for the love, now im coming to rape your course.



Does the PDGA have your stats wrong in the fact you accepted cash in July? If you did, you may want to contact them and see if you're still elegible to play in this event before making the trip. It may be your dreams of raping this course that get raped! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i denied cash

The normal "Thursday Doubles" (Noon tee off, $10 entry) has a new name......

It is now the "J-Bird Doubles on the Toboggan." :D :eek: Remember that this event is OPEN to ALL. The only issue the "PROs" might have is that we are playing for plastic.

This might be your first and only chance of playing the course before the tournament. And with a guide! :DAll proceeds get put directly into the main tournament amentities (read food, drink, etc). ;)

Thanks J-Bird! :D:cool:

So what are the course changes for this year? Holes, footage?

kris allen is the man

why deny cash?

anyone know the player pack, i hear its always worth the entry. is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274

anyone know the player pack, i hear its always worth the entry. is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274


Lefty friendly is an understatement. Just look at the course map and you can understand how Geoff Bennett was tied for 2nd last year (looking at it, I don't get how he didn't just plain rape the field for first, lol) with his wicked massive righty-forehand.

I am thinking I'll be out Labor Day for a round of Bag Tags with some other Toledo area players. Too bad I'm definitely not good enough to play the tournament this year, but I can't WAIT to tear it a new #$*&$! in 2007. ;)


-Woj.
i can't wait to see how i'll be after two entire years of playing this sport!

is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274



"Friendly" and "Toboggan" should probably not be used in the same sentence. I think the course is well balanced because there are a couple drives (6 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole6.htm) ,7 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole7.htm) ,8 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole8.htm) ,14 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole14.htm) ) that are really tough for lefties.

is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274



"Friendly" and "Toboggan" should probably not be used in the same sentence. I think the course is well balanced because there are a couple drives (6 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole6.htm) ,7 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole7.htm) ,8 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole8.htm) ,14 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole14.htm) ) that are really tough for lefties.

6, 7, 14 maybe... but 8? Even a novice can flick a hyzer forehand (talkin' lefties here, forehand hole) and at least pull par.

Three (even four) "tough" lefty holes does not a balance make. That leaves 15 (14) others easier for lefties than righties. Don't get me wrong, amazing course, LOVE the course, beautifully designed... but to say its balanced between lefty and righty shots is a fallacy.


-Chris.

How many lefties have won the tournament? Should we just not play the event, and award Justin Leopold with 1st place? There are many more factors than if a player's handedness matches a course setup. Its a rather moot point to be discussing on this board. Nearly everyone playing in this tournament has, and is capable of throwing everyshot that they will face at Toboggan. But only the most confident, and mentally sound will succeed. This is not your typical weekend tournament....This is not a 7 round World's...This is the US Amatuer Championships, the closest thing we Ams have to the USDGC. 3 Rounds of golf that will provide the ultimate test. Whoever wins will surely deserve it....

The Tobbogan is balanced 50/50 for lefty/righty throws, in my opinion. I try to play it once a month this time of the year so that I won't be tempted to play the tournament! :D There are only three holes where I throw a lefty drive. There are a couple more right turning holes that you can do just as well on throwing a righty anhyzer.

To anyone I offered crash space to, the trailer is taken by the Adrians and I think Eliot is in the Pink Room. We could accomodate one or two in the living room still and the back yard is huge for camping. The house is a little messy because Diana had people in to do the windows. The new windows look great.

How many lefties have won the tournament? Should we just not play the event, and award Justin Leopold with 1st place? There are many more factors than if a player's handedness matches a course setup. Its a rather moot point to be discussing on this board. Nearly everyone playing in this tournament has, and is capable of throwing everyshot that they will face at Toboggan. But only the most confident, and mentally sound will succeed. This is not your typical weekend tournament....This is not a 7 round World's...This is the US Amatuer Championships, the closest thing we Ams have to the USDGC. 3 Rounds of golf that will provide the ultimate test. Whoever wins will surely deserve it....


I never stated it was a bad design :) And I'd sure as hell not cry 'unfair' if a lefty beat me! If my forehand or anhyzer isn't on enough to negate things... so be it. I'm merely arguing the fact of calling it fairly even lefty-righty, which it isn't in terms of how it plays.

I can play the left-to-right holes as well as the right-to-left, I'm not calling unfair. I was merely stating that saying that its an equally lefty and righty course is just wrong.

But I'm sorry I brought it up :) Arguing semantics is a bad habit of mine ;)


-Chris.

Ryan Johnson or Trygve is going to win it bring it back to wisco for the first time you baggers /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I am going to bring home the W for MI this weekend...........Hell I would have been tied for 1st at the State Championships this past weekend if I hadnt had the 4 WORST dead center spit outs of my life!!! My distance has come back to me and my putting inside the circle has also started to come back.............Myself and Smurfberrymore will be out there to play a round at about 3 if anyone wants to join us and play a round with the future Champ of the USADGC!!!

(looking at it, I don't get how he didn't just plain rape the field for first, lol) with his wicked massive righty-forehand.




Yeah he can throw it 600ft! Just ask him. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274



"Friendly" and "Toboggan" should probably not be used in the same sentence. I think the course is well balanced because there are a couple drives (6 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole6.htm) ,7 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole7.htm) ,8 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole8.htm) ,14 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole14.htm) ) that are really tough for lefties.

6, 7, 14 maybe... but 8? Even a novice can flick a hyzer forehand (talkin' lefties here, forehand hole) and at least pull par.

Three (even four) "tough" lefty holes does not a balance make. That leaves 15 (14) others easier for lefties than righties. Don't get me wrong, amazing course, LOVE the course, beautifully designed... but to say its balanced between lefty and righty shots is a fallacy.


-Chris.



Right handed backhand throwers are so spoiled by most courses that when they see anything even approaching a balanced course they think they are being abused. It is hilarious. The only two truely lefty courses I know of are Rolling Hills (Ypsilanti, Michigan) and V A Barrie (St Thomas, Ontario).

The course designers who perpetutate the sin of righty favoritism have no idea the huge advantage it gives to lefties (or their nearly twin siblings, the righty forehanders) in the long term- it teaches us how throw anhyzers (the hardest shot in the game outside the putting circle). So I forgive all the righty hyzer tunnel shots I have faced, you have made me a better and much more humble player.

With reference to the Tobbogan, a course I believe I have played more than any other human being, it is more righty favorable than lefty for most players. A critical factor in course balance evaluation is who it is being evaluated for. Here the Tobbogan was created as a fair test for top players, both in power and control.

For any player without control the Tobbogan will dish out pain, abuse and skin loss. If the thorns don't get you, the chiggers probably will. A shank drive can easily land you in thickets where none of your card will wish to join you searching. So to that extent, the righty/lefty issue is moot. Most shanks by righty/lefty/overhead shots meet similar unfortunate fates.

If you look at a hole-by-hole analysis of the Tobbogan, the holes break down pretty closely. The big difference is the holes where there is a huge advantage to one side or the other. My count is that there are 4 holes where the advantage is huge (3, 8, 10 & 14). These holes constitute relatively easy deuces (8, 10, & 14) and the toughest single drive on the course (yep, #3). Of these 4 holes only #10 is lefty (counterclockwise spin) favorable.

#3's drive is one of my favorites to attempt, even though it abuses me severely. For all you righties who cannot see through the eyes of a lefty, I challenge you to go test a few forehand drives. (i know, I know, you don't have much of a power forehand drive, but just try to hit the fairway) Ok, now just for fun, grab a few discs you don't care if you ever see again and try those same forehand drives in a stiff wind. This shot, from the top of the mountain, down to the valley below, is nothing short of vicious to less-than-perfect lefty shots. Righties also need to throw a clean shot to stay out of trouble but the degree of error is very different.

So if I had identical power and control throwing RHBH to my current RHFH and had the choice of either to play the Tobbogan, I would choose Righty Backhand. For sure.

An aspect of the righty/lefty debate that does not occur to most righties is how courses break in. Since 80-90% of all players throw clockwise(RHBH), every course breaks in to help righties. The typical spots where righty mistakes land get broken and trampled over time, making easy recovery routes. If a player throws lefty with power and shanks he may land in untamed territory even on a mature course.

Until a person is a minority they have no idea how it really feels to be discriminated against. Probably a lot of white anglo saxon protestants think that there is no significant racism left in America. A few days with different color skin would show them a surprizing truth.

Frisbee golf is righty biased.

The only two truly lefty courses I know of are Rolling Hills (Ypsilanti, Michigan) and V A Barrie (St Thomas, Ontario).



Haven't played either of those but add Brookside in Indy to that list. It's the only one I've played that was really biased lefty.

When I hear the remark a course is lefty biased, the designer probably did a good job balancing the course evenly. Righties on many open courses are so used to not having to deal with significant left to right challenges, that even having some holes forcing that route stick out more than their actual percentage of holes to make a course seem lefty biased.

As one of my lefty testers points out, just because a hole is left to right doesn't mean it's lefty biased. Many times, a righty turnover shot is actually easier than a lefty hyzer or righty forehand. He points out another problem is that you'll see shorter righty holes that are in the 250 neighborhood and a similar number of much longer lefty holes in the 290-350 range. While this seems balanced, the righties have easy birdies and lefties have more trouble taking advantage of the longer potential birdies.

The tow courses in Lafayette LA are about 75-80% anhyzers which is why all there guys throw sidearms. Then again it was a short tight course. In H-town we only have one course that heavily favors lefties.

If I remember from last year's worlds, NAU in Flagstaff was pretty lefty-biased (i.e. lefty hyzer holes). It wasn't "bias" per se since they weren't sharp, and could easily be thrown with an anheizer. It's the tight hyzer holes where lefty/righty bias comes into play.

Chuck, you were there. You agree?

is it true that tobaggan is lefty friendly? #29274



"Friendly" and "Toboggan" should probably not be used in the same sentence. I think the course is well balanced because there are a couple drives (6 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole6.htm) ,7 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole7.htm) ,8 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole8.htm) ,14 (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole14.htm) ) that are really tough for lefties.

6, 7, 14 maybe... but 8? Even a novice can flick a hyzer forehand (talkin' lefties here, forehand hole) and at least pull par.

Three (even four) "tough" lefty holes does not a balance make. That leaves 15 (14) others easier for lefties than righties. Don't get me wrong, amazing course, LOVE the course, beautifully designed... but to say its balanced between lefty and righty shots is a fallacy.


-Chris.



Right handed backhand throwers are so spoiled by most courses that when they see anything even approaching a balanced course they think they are being abused. It is hilarious. The only two truely lefty courses I know of are Rolling Hills (Ypsilanti, Michigan) and V A Barrie (St Thomas, Ontario).

The course designers who perpetutate the sin of righty favoritism have no idea the huge advantage it gives to lefties (or their nearly twin siblings, the righty forehanders) in the long term- it teaches us how throw anhyzers (the hardest shot in the game outside the putting circle). So I forgive all the righty hyzer tunnel shots I have faced, you have made me a better and much more humble player.

With reference to the Tobbogan, a course I believe I have played more than any other human being, it is more righty favorable than lefty for most players. A critical factor in course balance evaluation is who it is being evaluated for. Here the Tobbogan was created as a fair test for top players, both in power and control.

For any player without control the Tobbogan will dish out pain, abuse and skin loss. If the thorns don't get you, the chiggers probably will. A shank drive can easily land you in thickets where none of your card will wish to join you searching. So to that extent, the righty/lefty issue is moot. Most shanks by righty/lefty/overhead shots meet similar unfortunate fates.

If you look at a hole-by-hole analysis of the Tobbogan, the holes break down pretty closely. The big difference is the holes where there is a huge advantage to one side or the other. My count is that there are 4 holes where the advantage is huge (3, 8, 10 & 14). These holes constitute relatively easy deuces (8, 10, & 14) and the toughest single drive on the course (yep, #3). Of these 4 holes only #10 is lefty (counterclockwise spin) favorable.

#3's drive is one of my favorites to attempt, even though it abuses me severely. For all you righties who cannot see through the eyes of a lefty, I challenge you to go test a few forehand drives. (i know, I know, you don't have much of a power forehand drive, but just try to hit the fairway) Ok, now just for fun, grab a few discs you don't care if you ever see again and try those same forehand drives in a stiff wind. This shot, from the top of the mountain, down to the valley below, is nothing short of vicious to less-than-perfect lefty shots. Righties also need to throw a clean shot to stay out of trouble but the degree of error is very different.

So if I had identical power and control throwing RHBH to my current RHFH and had the choice of either to play the Tobbogan, I would choose Righty Backhand. For sure.

An aspect of the righty/lefty debate that does not occur to most righties is how courses break in. Since 80-90% of all players throw clockwise(RHBH), every course breaks in to help righties. The typical spots where righty mistakes land get broken and trampled over time, making easy recovery routes. If a player throws lefty with power and shanks he may land in untamed territory even on a mature course.

Until a person is a minority they have no idea how it really feels to be discriminated against. Probably a lot of white anglo saxon protestants think that there is no significant racism left in America. A few days with different color skin would show them a surprizing truth.

Frisbee golf is righty biased.



Where's the emoticon for a standing ovation? Oh well. Insert it here anyway.

Well said Mark.

--Josh

Chuck, you were there. You agree?



I don't remember NAU being particularly lefty biased. However, it was more challenging to throw anhyzers in general due to the altitude which made routine righty anhyzers that much tougher and made me wish I had a better forehand.

Chuck, you were there. You agree?



I don't remember NAU being particularly lefty biased. However, it was more challenging to throw anhyzers in general due to the altitude which made routine righty anhyzers that much tougher and made me wish I had a better forehand.



And that I wan't ambidextrious(no rightie SA) :DI don't think it was that lefty biased.

We've got a 3some teeing off at 5-5:20 today. If anyone wants to play, meet us there. I figured since Am Nats is 2 DAYS AWAY we would have some out of towners on the Toboggan that need a guide.

va is in

va's gonna win

anyone know anything about the 980 rated am? tied for 1st in am worlds and hes still playing am?

he'd be in the top 10 rated pros in Indiana, must be better am competition out there than pro.

anyone know anything about the 980 rated am? tied for 1st in am worlds and hes still playing am?



Must be talking about Brent Koontz. Hes good. He can drive and he can putt very well. If hes registered, he just might be "the one" to win this years event! Hes also one hell of a nice guy. I have no problem saying hes been my nemisis since last year. Pro is definately in his future!

va's gonna win



Phat chance of that happening unless the players have been in a practicing since a week ago!!! Its prety tough to come in and play this course blind!!! Im going to go with someone from MI is going to take it this year!!!

Hasnain has mad skills. you best watch out. That guy can play... and he's stepping up regardless of how well he does this weekend... will you???? FINALLY???

Imagine a day when you don't actually know who the guy who is winning advanced... It can happen...

Hasnain has mad skills. you best watch out. That guy can play... and he's stepping up regardless of how well he does this weekend... will you???? FINALLY???

Imagine a day when you don't actually know who the guy who is winning advanced... It can happen...



I know Naved has mad skills but this course is killer if you dont know the lines!!! Naved and his boys are staying at my place this year........They are coming in tomorrow night late night and play probly one round tomorrow!!! We shall see how it all pans out come sunday at around 5 Oclock.

Looks like the 1st Card for friday will be Koontz Getch Myself and Monsma!!! I love getting to play with other good players!!!

Oh and yes I will be moving up no matter how I finish at this years USADGC!!! I have a couple series finals I want to finish out in Advanced but I will hopefully be moving up at this years USDGC!!! If I dont get the win and the bid this weekend I think I will come down and try to last chance qualify!!!

Cant wait to see all the guys this weekend and have a great tournament once again!!!

Good luck to everyone going this year.
Unfortunately my "swan song" event is cut off. :(
I screwed up my knee and am going to see a surgeon today instead of qualifying. Blarghh!
Ah well, have fun out there!
Someone deuce #1 for me as that was my one of my goals this year. Thanks.

Rough. I wish you well Tafe.


If anyone found a red players cup Z-tracker on the left side of hole 8 sometime last night or today, please put it in the lost and found for the tourny. I appreciate it. It says "Joe Antilla" on it.

The only two truly lefty courses I know of are Rolling Hills (Ypsilanti, Michigan) and V A Barrie (St Thomas, Ontario).



Haven't played either of those but add Brookside in Indy to that list. It's the only one I've played that was really biased lefty.



Rosedale in Kansas City can be either be set up left-handed, or very left-handed, depending on the hole location. I like to practice out there as much as I can, because my anhyzers suck.

And I agree with Chuck. I seem to remember Brookside in Indy being pretty left handed, although I haven't played it since 1992. I guess that's one reason Scott Martin (#5560) won am Worlds in 1992, although I'd probably say it was more because of his calm demeanor and his awesome putting that week.

Chap
#5559 (my PDGA # is lower than his......but never my score)

Rough. I wish you well Tafe.


If anyone found a red players cup Z-tracker on the left side of hole 8 sometime last night or today, please put it in the lost and found for the tourny. I appreciate it. It says "Joe Antilla" on it.



**** it Daemon, you lost my disc!!! :eek: Just kidding bro, hope it comes back soon.

Rough. I wish you well Tafe.


If anyone found a red players cup Z-tracker on the left side of hole 8 sometime last night or today, please put it in the lost and found for the tourny. I appreciate it. It says "Joe Antilla" on it.



**** it Daemon, you lost my disc!!! :eek: Just kidding bro, hope it comes back soon.



Just so you know, the disc is sitting on the table in front of me at the pavillion.

Trygve from Madison shot a +3 on tuesday his first round there ever. Watch out

+3 to what? They call par 62.

Trygve from Madison shot a +3 on tuesday his first round there ever. Watch out



WHOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Practice rounds dont mean CHIT!!! I shot a 55 last year in practice and didnt break 59 in the tourney!!! Does anyone want to place any side bets for the weekend cuz if so im down to take any and ALL SIDE BETS!!!

Whats the best score on hole three??? Has anyone ever gotten a 2 on it???

Trygve from Madison shot a +3 on tuesday his first round there ever. Watch out



Did he play from the wood stakes or the rubber pads?

I've had a few 3s on 3... but I never did 2 hole 4. that hole drove me crazy!

I'll do a friendly bet with you Steve for $5 that Trygve will beat you at the USADGC. Are you going to take that bet?


Oh yes I also understand practice rounds don't mean crap. I mean you would know since you been baggin it there for the past few years right? hehe j/k.

Josh

Looks like the 1st Card for friday will be Koontz Getch Myself and Monsma!!! I love getting to play with other good players!!! weeeeeeeee!



Psycher not Monsma

I'll do a friendly bet with you Steve for $5 that Trygve will beat you at the USADGC. Are you going to take that bet?


Oh yes I also understand practice rounds don't mean crap. I mean you would know since you been baggin it there for the past few years right? hehe j/k.

Josh



I will state that he wasn't really bagging last year, but this year he may be.... But then I look at his big tournament finishes and think, well, maybe he's an am 4 life! :)

I'll do a friendly bet with you Steve for $5 that Trygve will beat you at the USADGC. Are you going to take that bet?


Oh yes I also understand practice rounds don't mean crap. I mean you would know since you been baggin it there for the past few years right? hehe j/k.

Josh



I will state that he wasn't really bagging last year, but this year he may be.... But then I look at his big tournament finishes and think, well, maybe he's an am 4 life! :)



Ouch! And think Steve, if I had been an active golfer this year, all those finish spots of yours would have been one worse than they were! jk man!

Good luck to you and all the other players there this year!

Im **** envious I couldnt be there this year. I will be there next year!

naved, logan sheets, and melt g will all be in the mix, at least one of them will be top 5.

dont forget about Bond

i'm just going with the guys i have actually seen- last HH monthly both logan and naved dropped rounds in the 50's (logan had 2). imo hawk hollow is as close as it gets to toboggan in the eastern us, the hill's just smaller (and there's lots of water). oh yeah, i have played toboggan btw. i'm only guessing it hasn't changed too much since 99.

He shot a 57 from rubber pads. And I'm sure any decent golfer who got to play the course as much as you Mills could shoot a 55 in a practice round. A Blue moon shines on a monkeys butt once in a while /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I am just saying thats a good round regardless if it is a practice round his first time out there.

Naved from northern VA. Not sure how to spell last name. He just won West Va. Open. MAD drives! Beware!

Tee Times are posted here.... Tee Times (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5520)

Scores are being posted here. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5520&year=2006) :D

uh oh, Mills has a chance....

a stroke ahead with a guy who has won NINETEEN Advanced or Advanced Masters tournaments... over five, no SIX YEARS!

Now that's a lifer.

Tear it up Zach, Jeff, and Jason from Grand Rapids i wish i could have been there.

MN is gonna represent again this year. Gerth is gonna shred this course! Sorry MI & NC but you got some work to do. :D:eek:



I wasn't kidding, this guy is good! :D

I predict Gerth wins by ten throws, go mn!

Pick it up NC..... Mills, Justin Timberlake called he wants his look back.

Well, the scores are up on PDGA, but the cool statistics (http://www.amnationals.com/Scoring/Round1.htm) are here. :cool::D :D

I'll do a friendly bet with you Steve for $5 that Trygve will beat you at the USADGC. Are you going to take that bet?


Oh yes I also understand practice rounds don't mean crap. I mean you would know since you been baggin it there for the past few years right? hehe j/k.

Josh



Ill go ahead and take that bet..........Like I said I will take ANY and ALL side bets........Bring it on........Gerth played well today thats for sure.........I missed back to back 15 footers on 7 and 8 to slip to 2 back of him................Dont worry though im going to SHRED it tomorrow cuz I have a former USADGC Champ carrying my bag and my rounds tend to only get BETTER!!!

Everyone keep talking CHIT to me!!! I LOVE IT!!!

Go Zach V. and Jeff Kuehle (my honey!)! Representing for Michigan!

Everyone keep talking CHIT to me!!! I LOVE IT!!!



OK. You're a tool.

second

First update is done. Had some severe rain for a couple minutes, stopped just in time for the last card to tee off! :eek:

Tee times are now posted online.

Heard we had a whiney boy today..almost swung at the Marshall???

Your playing the AM DGC..act like it!

bring that win to OKC++++

Heard we had a whiney boy today..almost swung at the Marshall???

Your playing the AM DGC..act like it!

bring that win to OKC++++



He's a nice guy. The circumstances were rough. Bad things can happen and make one angry. On the Toboggan, they can make one verrrry angry.

Heard we had a whiney boy today..almost swung at the Marshall???

Your playing the AM DGC..act like it!

bring that win to OKC++++



He's a nice guy. The circumstances were rough. Bad things can happen and make one angry. On the Toboggan, they can make one verrrry angry.



What happened?

Too many discs in the bag ?

News flash. Playoff for 1st to start in 5 minutes. Between Steve Mills and Daemon Stahlin. :eek:

.....and the winnner is.....






















Steve Mills :eek:

Congrats to both Steve and Daemon!

Wow, great way to finish. looked like a battle all the way through. Guess I'll be seeing Millz in Rock Hillz.

Congrats man. Finally, a great finish in a major (since 04 worlds).

Looks like we have a few fellas to watch out for in the pro ranks soon.

Way to go MILLZ!!!!
this is your official caddy HollA, way to not give up there at the end. Great finish and good luck and the USDGC, rip it up for me

Way to go MILLZ!!!!
this is your official caddy HollA, way to not give up there at the end. Great finish and good luck and the USDGC, rip it up for me



Matt ... are U livin in the past??? Give it up

Mills.. Welcome to PRO

Way to go MILLZ!!!!
this is your official caddy HollA, way to not give up there at the end. Great finish and good luck and the USDGC, rip it up for me


Matt ... are U livin in the past??? Give it up

Mills.. Welcome to PRO



This is the Original Scooter, i had the nickname well before he did, this is Scott "Scooter" Slater

Hey Mills, nice shooting bagger. Are you EVER going to move up to where you belong?? :) You've gotta try to his the MSDGC next year...

Way to go Mills!

Thanks guys!!! I am now moving up into the pro ranks!!! Now that I have won a Major 2 A Tiers 2 B Tiers and 2 C Tiers it time to dive in with the big boys!!!

I will be playing USDGC and then Players Cup for my 1st 2 tournaments as a true Open player!!!

I will be playing USDGC and then Players Cup for my 1st 2 tournaments as a true Open player!!!



You will have a blast, bro....make the most of it Mr. Professional DG'er!

Congrats Steve.

congrats mills! i am so proud of you. i am really bummed i couldnt make it out.

Now that I have won a Major 2 A Tiers 2 B Tiers and 2 C Tiers it time to dive in with the big boys!!!





Are you sure? That's not too impressive....

Now that I have won a Major 2 A Tiers 2 B Tiers and 2 C Tiers it time to dive in with the big boys!!!





Are you sure? That's not too impressive....



The USADGC and the 2 A tiers is impressive.

seriously tizzle quit being sarcastic you're taking away from mills glory
i guess i finally will get to meet this joker at USDGC

I have a D, a C and a B in advanced. I'm working my way through the alphabet. :D

Congrats to Mills and Daemon both. Mills played very steady and shot very well on the harder holes. I don't think he carded a deuce on Sunday until the first playoff hole.

I have an A, B, C, and D win in advanced, sure as hell is nothing to brag about though. Its advanced.

I have a C Tier in Advianced and a B tier intermediate! I figured that was enough to move up.

I have an A, B, C, and D win in advanced, sure as hell is nothing to brag about though. Its advanced.



What, you didn't work hard for those wins? I am generally not a fan of bragging, but you worked hard and beat alot of other players that also wanted to win. That's an accomplishment. I'm not saying you should brag, but it's something to be proud of.

Congrads Steve!! Now that youve beaten that course, its off to the USDGC! and the Players Cup! Good luck Bro! :eek: ;)

And a good job to all the players, thats one mother of a course to just get up and down on! Anyone shooting under par (par 62, this year) rounds there, was rewarded quite well in the ratings! Too bad they dont count in the ratings!?! :confused:

Anyone shooting under par (par 62, this year) rounds there, was rewarded quite well in the ratings! Too bad they dont count in the ratings!?! :confused:

what?

This was at Toboggan right? Definately one of the toughest courses I've played, and probably had one of my best rounds there also. (55) I was even going into 17 and bogied it :mad:

majors are counted in the ratings, just not in the tour points.

Way to go MILLZ!!!!
this is your official caddy HollA, way to not give up there at the end. Great finish and good luck and the USDGC, rip it up for me


Matt ... are U livin in the past??? Give it up

Mills.. Welcome to PRO



This is the Original Scooter, i had the nickname well before he did, this is Scott "Scooter" Slater



Hey Scott he was talking to Mr. P

Congrats Millz

DITTO Congrats

so what happened with this person blowing up the during the tourney?

Yeah, he called it too.......

About 12 months ago.

my buddy played with him twice...

basically heres what happened from what he told me. The guy was just a total jerk the whole weekend.

My buddy missed a putt and it began rolling back down the hill and hit his bag. The guy (Stryker) began saying it was a stroke (which it is not) and cussing and stuff. Later on in the round, a guy marked his lie and ran up a hill to see the pin and stryker began counting 30 seconds and telling him he was going to stroke him. Also, players are not allowed to touch thier scoring book with 150 feet of the tent. Strykers caddy, unaware of the rules, handed a player his book close to the tent, but outside of the 150 foot mark. Stryker went nuts about this. Also, my buddy lost a disc and Stryker hardly looked for it, but was the first to call clock.

When they went inside, my buddy was told he would not recieve a stroke and Stryker cussed out the TD and flicked off the marshal (which they got a pic of).

Mr Stryker also told the Marshall that he didnt care about the final round that he was going to do was try to work the group he was in.

That was the gist of it from what I understood.

Unless you were actually there you have no idea what happened, so please don't post about it.

Thanks.

Congradulations On your Win Mills!
Did You win a Basket?

I can respect your wishes, but I still felt inclinded to post what I was told.

Mills won a basket, collard shirt, a "2nd 1st Run Buzz", and a SWEEET :D14" tall lead crystal Trophy :eek:
Also, an invite to the USDGC and the "Players Cup". :cool:

Sweet! Congrats to He & Dameon, Both very cool players!

Congrats Pimp, now it is finally time to move up you bagging mulleTT

Anybody know Paul Dobberstein from Dover, NH?

His brother was taking pictures of our group during the final round and was supposed to email me the link to the yahoo page which they will be posted.

Thanks for the help.

I believe that the brother you speak of just moved to Chicago and he and I discussed playing in some tournaments together. I will PM him the link to this so that he can hopefully get those to you.

you can IM him. Hes on Nefa.com from time to time

Thanks, I apprieciate it.

If he gave you a warning, you should have said "Surely, Stryker, you can't be serious."

then he could say...

Punchline please....

"Yes I am serious, and don't call me Surely."

Stryker's caddy: "Sir, there's been a problem with the scorebook."
Stryker: "The score book? What is it?

Punchline please....

"It's the little book, you write your scores in it."

and.....

and.....




I'm Spent!

"but that's not important right now."

my buddy played with him twice...

basically heres what happened from what he told me. The guy was just a total jerk the whole weekend.

My buddy missed a putt and it began rolling back down the hill and hit his bag. The guy (Stryker) began saying it was a stroke (which it is not) and cussing and stuff. Later on in the round, a guy marked his lie and ran up a hill to see the pin and stryker began counting 30 seconds and telling him he was going to stroke him. Also, players are not allowed to touch thier scoring book with 150 feet of the tent. Strykers caddy, unaware of the rules, handed a player his book close to the tent, but outside of the 150 foot mark. Stryker went nuts about this. Also, my buddy lost a disc and Stryker hardly looked for it, but was the first to call clock.

When they went inside, my buddy was told he would not recieve a stroke and Stryker cussed out the TD and flicked off the marshal (which they got a pic of).

Mr Stryker also told the Marshall that he didnt care about the final round that he was going to do was try to work the group he was in.

That was the gist of it from what I understood.




same story I heard from a player ON the card...a nice little probation might help him find his temper out there...try a little Cam Todd ruling

Yeah, I didn't know it, so I had to bust out the mojo baby yeaaah!

Sounds like a cad had a caddy.

Main Entry: cad
Pronunciation: 'kad
Function: noun
Etymology: English dialect, unskilled assistant, short for Scots caddie
<font color="666666">1 : an omnibus conductor</font>
<font color="red">2 : a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings or rights </font>

Anybody know Paul Dobberstein from Dover, NH?

His brother was taking pictures of our group during the final round and was supposed to email me the link to the yahoo page which they will be posted.

Thanks for the help.



here's the link to the pics - USADGC Final Round Pics (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jonnydobos2002/album?.dir=/6631re2&.src=ph&.tok=phfRLfFBD.RgnPkQ)

They are mostly pics on my brother's group (Paul Dobberstein, Kris Allen, Kyle Enman, and Shawn Comstock). It also has a few pics I took of the final 3 or 4 cards playing 18 and Mills' tournament winning putt about halfway home.

Awesome, thanks man.

Congrats Pimp, now it is finally time to move up you bagging mulleTT



Thanks for the love Schweb!!! Ill see you at USDGC you big MULLET!!!

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and congrats!!!

Nice job Millz!

So, since my knee rehab is going to take months (no surgery, just vegging and healing) does that mean I might be able to get the reigning USADGC champ on my bag next year? ;)

I really don't want to spend another year in the Am ranks, but my knee may decide otherwise for me when I start playing again next year. So, fair warning, you've all got a year to prepare! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nice shootin Mills...

Rumor has it MTL has requested that his AM status be reinstated. His plan is to tour the country next season and win as many A tiers as possible then head to Milwaukee for the 2007 Am Worlds along with the 07 USADGC. That way he will easily qualify for the USDGC.

Good luck MTL! :cool:

Yeah, good shootin Bagger :D

congratz Millz

KG

congrats mills..... thanks again for letting va crash. too bad i got raped on the course. now bang that rookie of the year.

Rumor has it MTL has requested that his AM status be reinstated. His plan is to tour the country next season and win as many A tiers as possible then head to Milwaukee for the 2007 Am Worlds along with the 07 USADGC. That way he will easily qualify for the USDGC.

Good luck MTL! :cool:



I think I'll call it the Steve Mills tour....

I'd like to thank Daemon for being one of the best sportsmen in the world. After Millz sank the winning put he went up to the basket and asked the crowd to give a cheer for Millz. :eek:

What a guy! :cool:

I'd like to thank Daemon for being one of the best sportsmen in the world. After Millz sank the winning put he went up to the basket and asked the crowd to give a cheer for Millz. :eek:

What a guy! :cool:



I lost a tourney recently on the last hole because I missed a 15'er. I was real angry. But if I lose a tourney (even a major) because someone jams a 60-80'er, there's nothing left to do except congratulate, there was no room for anger.

I'd like to thank Daemon for being one of the best sportsmen in the world. After Millz sank the winning put he went up to the basket and asked the crowd to give a cheer for Millz. :eek:

What a guy! :cool:



I lost a tourney recently on the last hole because I missed a 15'er. I was real angry. But if I lose a tourney (even a major) because someone jams a 60-80'er, there's nothing left to do except congratulate, there was no room for anger.



I really appreciate all the congrats and kind words!!! I would have wanted to go into a playoff with anyone else.........Daemon it was great to play with you the last round and I appreciate all the good things you have been saying about the tournament and myself!!! You truely are a class act!!!

Pictures of : US Amateur Disc Golf Championships are up at www.discraft.com (http://www.discraft.com) Enjoy!

I would like to congratulate all the players that came from as far away as Hawaii and Alaska, we had 24 states represented and all the players were really immpressive! Look out old Pros there is a great new crop of Pros ready to hit the NT next year. :eek:

Pad

Well, the scores are up on PDGA, but the cool statistics (http://www.amnationals.com/Scoring/Round1.htm) are here. :cool::D :D



http://www.discraft.com/gallery/2006_amnats/images/amnats06_a08.jpg

There were only four birdie 3s recorded on the 17th hole in the first round. How long does this hole measure: somewhere between 600 and 700 feet, right? Is the approach just too uphill and too long for most competitors to reach it?

tricky first shot landing zone. if you go straight at it, the bottom of the toboggan tracks can make for awkward lies. If you stay right to be safe from the tracks, there are some tough bushes that makes for an awkward approach. I also think most people throw their upshots too soft, as the basket is about 40 feet farther than it looks. If you are early on the hill, there's almost no direct shot at the basket because of shrubs. If you go a little long, there's a dropoff behind the basket. The safest landing zone is just left of the basket.

That and it's the end of a long round. How many 2s on 18? I got it 2 out of 3 rounds each year, even after all that walking up and down hills. actually, I have a pretty good track record on all 3 of the uphill par 3s. I even got hole 9 twice my first year, and once my second year. It's steep and long, but the second year they moved the basket another 40 feet UP the hill. It was insane. In the stats, only 1 person got 9 and 1 got 18!

tricky first shot landing zone. if you go straight at it, the bottom of the toboggan tracks can make for awkward lies. If you stay right to be safe from the tracks, there are some tough bushes that makes for an awkward approach. I also think most people throw their upshots too soft, as the basket is about 40 feet farther than it looks. If you are early on the hill, there's almost no direct shot at the basket because of shrubs. If you go a little long, there's a dropoff behind the basket. The safest landing zone is just left of the basket.



They moved the teepad back quite a bit from last year's placement. You have to really bomb one, maybe 500, to clear the toboggan runs now.

The full stats will be posted (probably tomorrow). September is such a CRAZY disc golf month for me. Stay tuned...

Chuck... This means you should stay tuned for the statistical analysis. :eek: :D

There were only four birdie 3s recorded on the 17th hole in the first round. How long does this hole measure: somewhere between 600 and 700 feet, right? Is the approach just too uphill and too long for most competitors to reach it?



Hole 17 measured 755. One of my friends took a 3 on two of the three rounds. Another one of my friends took a 3 in one of the rounds using two throws with an Epic.

Here are two pictures that may help give a better perspective. These look pretty recent....

Hole 17 from the Tee and from the basket back to the tee. Credit for the pictures belongs to Scott White, I believe. (http://local101dg.com/Toboggan-hole17.htm)

I got it 1 out of 3 rounds last year. :(

I don't see anyone talking about 17's green...let alone, all of the greens at Toboggan. Yes the long drives and demanding tee shots are impressive and unforgetable, but what makes Toboggan truly great are the greens. 17's green is the most demanding, and intimidating pea size surface I have ever seen containing a basket. I'm proud to have inked a 3 in this monster the final round this year.

Scoring with player's score cards are now up on the site. (http://www.amnationals.com) :)
All the juicy stats can be found here. (http://www.amnationals.com/Scoring/Round%20Stats.htm) :cool:

Congrats Millz! Way to bring it home.

Conrats Millz, you called it at the worlds and backed it up. Great win!!

Yeah yeah but what I want to know is how long do we have to look at him on the home page for ?
after all a person ego can only get so big before his head explodes :D