Has anyone thrown these yet? How do they compare to the Champion Coyote? I don't know much about the Star plastic other than I've heard its supposed to be better (same durability, better grip) than Champion.

i played catch with an orange 177g one in a soccer field yesterday and it was everything i'd hoped it would be. i have a dark red one i have yet to throw. the Star is more hi-speed stable than the Champion i have and has a little more fade. it's very straight. it will be the perfect complement to my Champion Coyotes. the grippiness is awesome.

i am so happy i could howl... :D

the Star is more hi-speed stable than the Champion i have and has a little more fade. it's very straight. it will be the perfect complement to my Champion Coyotes.




Rob....a bit of time has passed since you posted this comment. Are you still noticing a distinguishable difference in stability between the Star and CE models? I find that interesting...especially with this particular disc.

OK I've thrown three different coyotes.

179 green champion
180 orange star
180 orange Dx (super popped top)

Conclusions: Star and Champ plastics VERY similar, floaty and flippy. Flip over from a hyzer. Dx plastic is AWESOME! so straight in any condition, then beats up to fly like the other plastics. GEAR!

cheers

I haven't thrown my Star very much -- my Champ is my go-to midrange. It still seems more hi-speed stable for me and has a little more fade though. My Champion Glow Coyote is closer to Star in terms of the way it flies for me. do you throw both Champion and Star Coyotes and if so what are your observations?

For me the Glo Champion and Star are money. I'm not using the DX or Champion.

are yours the same weights, and what differences do you notice? i find both more stable than the regular Champ plastic...

I was using max weight DSM Champions ( real 1st runs ) that I found to be more overstable than the factory Coyotes that followed. I have some regular Champions in a opaque plastic that are real similar to the Glo.

They are all on the shelf now, replaced by the Star.

I think the Star is actually a bit more understable than the DSM Champions, but has better grip and can produce straighter lines.

what does DSM stand for? also, do you mean hi-speed understable, less fade, or both?

DSM= Des Moines. The Coyotes were given away at last years Challenge.

I dont throw the Coyote much at High Speed. Long and short, for me, its a better disc that holds more true lines. At higher speeds they will both flip, the champion a little more, while the Star seems to hold the desired line.

The Star is alot more point and shoot than the Champion, also. Released with a slight hyser it produces dead on straight lines with minimal fade. ( Although, its not like the Champion or Glo versions have alot of fade unless thrown with more hyser than I throw with.)

Hope this makes more sense. Probably not. Just get one and throw it around, then waive bye-bye to the Champion version.

Dx Coyotes are the best.

the new blend makes them more durable too, they wear slower.

IMHO of course

my friend has one of those DSM's and they are more stable -- kind of like the glow champion plastic.

i hear a lot of people say Coyotes are flippy but i find them a lot like longer BB Aviars provided they are thrown with good technique.

ymmv

I haven't thrown my Star very much -- my Champ is my go-to midrange. It still seems more hi-speed stable for me and has a little more fade though. My Champion Glow Coyote is closer to Star in terms of the way it flies for me. do you throw both Champion and Star Coyotes and if so what are your observations?



I picked up a couple of first-run CE Coyotes last summer and this disc has become my bread & butter. I have more control with the Coyote than any other disc I've played with in 15+ years. Brand new, these puppies remind me of a Roc that has been beaten to perfection...only a bit slower and with more glide.

I'm actually looking to purchase some DX Coyotes. I prefer DX Rocs because I like the way DX plastic"seasons" over time. Hole 13 at Idlewild is what convinced me I needed a DX Coyote. During the Masters tournament in June, I didn't have a disc in my bag for that particular tee shot. A seasoned DX would have been perfect for that drive.

i wish they had made Coyotes when they were making the real CE stuff :D

On hole 13 at Idlewild my broken in beat CE Valkyrie or my Champ Roadrunner works well if i crush it with hyzer just right it flips up after getting past the tight squeeze and then turns right with the fairway. That's a tough shot tough -- a broken in Coyote might be the smarter, higher percentage choice...

Those 1st Run Iowa Coyotes are more stable than the regular run of Champion Coyotes -- the closest thing to them are the Glow Champions or the Star in my experience.

I am starting to consider trying DX even though Idlewild can be murder on DX :D I use a DX Stingray when i want to go way right and maybe a beat up DX Coyote could serve that function and not be so extreme?

my friend has one of those DSM's and they are more stable -- kind of like the glow champion plastic.

i hear a lot of people say Coyotes are flippy but i find them a lot like longer BB Aviars provided they are thrown with good technique.

ymmv



An observation I had throwing a Coyote, a Glide, and a Breeze together is they are all good beginner discs for people with low power and skill, producing decent straight shots. Once a person has any power, but no skill, they find the discs to be super flippy but an 'unpredictable' flippy. If you throw any of these discs with a smooth throw, they fly great lines. A lot like most 'flippy' plastic, it's way more technique than the disc being flippy. On that note, I loved the coyote, but that spot in my bag is filled by a beat D wasp. It was great in that you could throw it uphill with a touch of hyzer and throw it hard and it would flip to flat, go straight, turn right then fade to flat, for those treatcherous uphill lefty holes. One of my friends can't figure out why it goes further than his 'Long Range Driver' (a max weight firebird). He maxes out at about 250 with the firebird, but can get 300 with the coyote. He won't listen when I tell him to get a valk or a tee-bird.

Dx Coyotes are the best.

the new blend makes them more durable too, they wear slower.

IMHO of course



"wear slower" than what?


I picked up a couple of first-run CE Coyotes last summer and this disc has become my bread & butter. I have more control with the Coyote than any other disc I've played with in 15+ years. Brand new, these puppies remind me of a Roc that has been beaten to perfection...only a bit slower and with more glide.



^^^ my thoughts exactly (except I've been playing for ~5 years), the Star is now my favorite disc ever made. I can throw it hyzer, anhyzer or straight and it'll hold the line really well. I used to throw nothing but 10x Rocs for Mid-Range, I replaced 2 of the 3 I carried with 1 Star Coyote.

The last round I played, I had 9 dueces, 8 of them were because I was parked with my Coyote (I drove with it 11 times that round, of the 3 that I didn't birdie I was only 20 feet out on 2 of them).

Jerry,
I remember from playing with you at Patapsco and Seneca years back that you were a fellow XD afficianato.

I'm with you on the coyote. I fell in love with it immediately. However I've been throwing the dx coyote for the past 3-4 months and I gotta tell you I prefer the dx version over the champion.

While the champion was nice new and even after a few months was still a good mid and driver it started to become squirrelly as it got beat in. The dx not only has better feel but believe it or not is more consistent and even appears to be more durable. I can hyzerflip it from a slight hyzer to flat but it does not turnover no matter how hard I throw it. Instead it goes on a ropeline for about 330 and then drops with nary a fade.

The dx feels like an old xd but bigger and in better plastic and goes much farther than an xd. I think you'll really have to beat it up before you get a hyzerflip turnover with it. I can turn it but I have to release either flat or slightly annie.

See ya at Paw Paw

I agree with the Star Coyote lovers. Once broken-in, they take a slight hyzer release and lock onto a straight or slow right drifting line and do not fade. Thrown hard with more hyzer and good technique they fly far and very stable (straight). They are also great point and shoot approach discs for hitting gaps or low ceilings. I throw a day-glow green 180g.

I agree with the Star Coyote lovers. Once broken-in, they take a slight hyzer release and lock onto a straight or slow right drifting line and do not fade. Thrown hard with more hyzer and good technique they fly far and very stable (straight). They are also great point and shoot approach discs for hitting gaps or low ceilings. I throw a day-glow green 180g.




Yep. They are the bomb. Still havent thrown my Champion since the Star came out.

Thinking about picking up a fairly heavy star...is the color going to matter like on the other star plastics? white is already out cause I dont like the white at all, but are the darker ones a little more stable? Kind of looking for something to take the place of my straight roc/flippy roc...already have a 171 champ coyote that I just got and am absolutely loving it...just kinda want something that I wouldn't be afraid of flipping...figured the 171 would be the flippy one but wanted a star to maybe be more stable...
Thanks!!

I have three identical day-glo green 180 Star Coyotes and they are great. They lock onto a line better than the Champion imo. They are definetely a little low speed overstable when new, but they break in pretty quick and stay. The green ones are so special that I haven't thrown any other colors.

a general rule that has worked for me is blue seems to be more stable (Champ Orcs, Star (SB) Orcs). i would be curious on hearing other people weigh in on that though. would especially like to hear Dave D weigh in on which colors tend to be most stable -- if there is a pattern across molds and batches of pigment/plastic...

My general experience has been (not star plastic specifically, but plastics in general) dark discs are more stable than bright discs. I'd guess it has something to do with the thermal radiation differences.

Thinking about picking up a fairly heavy star...is the color going to matter like on the other star plastics? white is already out cause I dont like the white at all, but are the darker ones a little more stable? Kind of looking for something to take the place of my straight roc/flippy roc...already have a 171 champ coyote that I just got and am absolutely loving it...just kinda want something that I wouldn't be afraid of flipping...figured the 171 would be the flippy one but wanted a star to maybe be more stable...
Thanks!!



I am not sure if there is a consistent color pattern with regard to stability, but there is sometimes a difference from color to color. I don't know if it's a time thing, (they are run on a different day or shift), or related to color. If it were related to color only, I think I would have noticed by now. Dark blue is the only color that has gotten my notice. Red, maybe. That being said, I have some very stable 164 gm yellow Star Wraiths that don't match the dark pattern, (if there is one).

As for your desire to get a Coyote that is a little more stable and crushable into the wind, I would recommend the Star Shark. They are between a Roc and a Coyote, and feel like a Coyote for the throw.

a general rule that has worked for me is blue seems to be more stable (Champ Orcs, Star (SB) Orcs). i would be curious on hearing other people weigh in on that though. would especially like to hear Dave D weigh in on which colors tend to be most stable -- if there is a pattern across molds and batches of pigment/plastic...





Red Star. Blue's good if theres no Red.

For the wind i'm not that concerned about it cause I throw element-x for those shots...just looking more for something real straight out to like 300 probably...give or take the situation...I was throwing the 171 into some wind and it held fairly well...
Thanks!!

wince you brought up the element X you may want to try a s blaze for the straight 300 footer you are looking for.

Sounds like Dark Blue or Red ?

for greater stability that seems to be the trend. which colors seem least stable? i might also want one on that end of the spectrum in my arsenal to complement the dark blue one :D

I'm just looking for one I can rip hard and have it hold the line I throw.

I ended up picking up a dark blue one but haven't had a chance to throw any rounds with it yet...did get to throw it a little and it is low speed stable if you put too much height on it...can't wait to get out and rip it a few times!! I'll let you know how it all turns out...

The pink ones fly nice and straight, easy to find, and no one wants to take it.

I ended up picking up a dark blue one but haven't had a chance to throw any rounds with it yet...did get to throw it a little and it is low speed stable if you put too much height on it...can't wait to get out and rip it a few times!! I'll let you know how it all turns out...



That low speed stability will persist until you hit some trees. After ten rounds or so of use (or one round of nailing trees on purpose ;)) it will hold its line until the ground. Straight, slight anny, slight hyzer, this disc will hold its line like no other. Every time I play with someone new (which is often since I just moved) they ask what disc I threw after they see the Star Coyote fly 300' on a line with no turn or fade. I wish Innova would design a disc with the carry and glide of the Star Coyote and the overstability of a new Roc.

The pink ones fly nice and straight, easy to find, and no one wants to take it.


Sounds like a winning combo to me! :D


sleepy

I ended up picking up a dark blue one but haven't had a chance to throw any rounds with it yet...did get to throw it a little and it is low speed stable if you put too much height on it...can't wait to get out and rip it a few times!! I'll let you know how it all turns out...



That low speed stability will persist until you hit some trees. After ten rounds or so of use (or one round of nailing trees on purpose ;)) it will hold its line until the ground. Straight, slight anny, slight hyzer, this disc will hold its line like no other. Every time I play with someone new (which is often since I just moved) they ask what disc I threw after they see the Star Coyote fly 300' on a line with no turn or fade. I wish Innova would design a disc with the carry and glide of the Star Coyote and the overstability of a new Roc.




Word.

I just bought my First Star Coyote today.
It's White with a Slight Pink Purge. 180 grams.
It holds the turnover nice.
If I throw it really hard , I have to put some Hyzer on it and it holds the line like my slightly beat Roc. Also works well as a short Putter and Upshot disc.

I need to throw it some more into a headwind. I can flip it if I'm not paying enough attention.

For straight shots with no wind , it's pretty sweet !!!

I just throw it with a little less power and accept a small amount of flip into a headwind. Other than that, it isnt bad. Ive had less control problems in all elements with the Star than I did with the DSMs or the Glo version. I just got in some max weight Reds and Blues that have me drooling. My oranges seem to have a slightly flatter top but the darkers feel more beefy in the flight plate. Im breaking them out tomarrow.