You might be able to camp there inexpensively.

Steve Rico...but I think that DAve just beat that by a year.



Steve Rico won the Caldacott Open in Feb of '93 at just over 14 yrs 2 months old..
beating the likes of Johnny & Geoff Lissaman, Jim Oates, Mike Loya, Harold Hampton...etc..

:D

well then, david wiggins jr will have to win an open event by next june to add yet another world record to his resume.

check out his bio, very impressive http://davidwigginsjr.com/

good luck at winthrop, David !!

he won one last week- nc flying disc championships...

intended to be PM to Brock regarding Thaidri
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Very impressive stats, however, Note 1 and note 3 may need to be adjusted. Wouldn't you agree Dave?
http://innovadiscs.com/team/scout.html#nicholas
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=8085#Intermediate

Manny,

If you are talking about our own web site which has not been updated recently, the error is one of simply not updating things on time. It is nothing personal. Our personal web site is not intended to be anything official. Thanks for pointing it out though. With a job, family, and other activities I can get behind on things. I will update the site soon and correct that.

If you have time, could you please check out my daughter's Myspace page as well? Let me know if anything there needs to be corrected. She is 15, but last time I looked she had her age listed as 18!!

tia,

Dave

Just checked Katies myspace, it says she's 6'4" and blond?

Thanks, I'm on it. ;)

hey chuck, any chance of world rankings this week b/f the championship?

I'll have the update done in the next few days and then it will be up to Gentry to post it on PDGA.com when he gets the chance.

I have a question regarding ratings at the 2nd Bloomington Normal Open. We played two courses with Adv/Open playing one course and Intermediate and below playing the other course, and then switching in the afternoon. For both rounds the Adv/Open ratings were 13 points higher for the same scores shot on the same courses. The variation that favors the Adv/Pro for both rounds does not seem right.

Thanks.

All scores on the same course from all divisions even in different rounds will be combined to determine the official ratings. So everyone will get the same rating for the same score. We've been combining for a few years now. But the unofficial ratings process isn't programmed to do that.

Good Morning Chuck,

I was wondering if you know of a minimum number of hole requirement for A-tier events? We are playing in the NorCal champs and I believe they may planning f3 rounds of 18 for 54 holes total. Someone was asking if there was minimum requirement.....

Thanks...

It's in the Tour Standards on page 4. Minimum is 54 holes for Super Tour (A-tier) or NT.
www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08TourStandards.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08TourStandards.pdf)

Will the Final round of USDGC be rated?

Yes. The online software can either show unofficial ratings but not sort players in proper finish order when some don't play round 4, OR show players in the proper finish order but not show ratings when it's identified as a semifinal round. Dave choose the latter option. That's one of several features we hope to fix after the new website gets underway.

Thanks!

Thanks Chuck!

I believe they may planning f3 rounds of 18 for 54 holes total



Actually, I think that it is 2 rds of 18 and 1 rd of 27 ;)

:D
I wish I could go.. :(

Chuck, what is the rule about dropped rounds in terms of ratings? While i think it is unfair to drop ratings of completed rounds regardless, i would like to at least know what the exact rule is. Is it rounds that are over 100 points lower than the rating?

Its 2.5 SD or 100 points. The reason low rated rounds are dropped is to prevent intentional bagging.

We now calculate your straight rating average and SD after excluding your lowest rated round. Then, multiply that SD by 2.5. If the 2.5SD number is smaller than 100, or 100 is smaller, we subtract the smaller one from the straight rating average. All rounds with ratings lower than that number, including the original one excluded from the average, will be dropped for your final ratings calc which involves double weighting the most recent 25% of rounds.

Note that your rating is retained in our official files not as a number like 946 but a number like 0.3 which is how far your scoring average per hole is greater or less than the SSA. So your math may not match ours due to rounding and truncation operations in the conversion.

Also note that ball golf drops 50% of your lowest rounds to determine your handicap. We drop only 2%. Our mathematical process seems a lot simpler and more objective than requiring TDs to tell us which players took late penalties or bagged a round so we could exclude rounds that had little to do with how well a player "normally" performed.

when is he next update? how do you know what division someone is eliglble for when we cant look up their ratings?

The next update is after Teams Mr. Ware

I am using the info that the PDGA sent me before Oktoberfest

"The reason low rated rounds are dropped is to prevent intentional bagging"

actually ithink it may sometimes have the opposite effect. Player H is shooting poorly so he gives up knowing that if he shoots bad enough it won't affect his rating.

Or player J is inconsistent and sometimes shoots very poorly, but those rounds aren't reflected in his rating giving him a higher average than he is due.

seems to me, that ALL rounds should be included in a rating since you have no idea if they are legitimate or not. A round should only be excluded if it is not completed.

seems to me, that ALL rounds should be included in a rating since you have no idea if they are legitimate or not.


That leads to direct sandbagging then since one low round at 500 rating can pull an Advanced player down to Rec level or lower. Having the dropped round procedure prevents that.

Also consider that a player with an inflated rating benefits everyone including those not in their division by slightly boosting the SSA. It also may force that player to enter a division higher than their true skill level. No player gets paid for a higher rating without actually performing so there's no down side to a player having an artificially inflated rating due to throwing rounds away. The PDGA Disciplinary Committee is now dealing with players accused of DNFing too many rounds so I don't expect it to be an ongoing problem.

Chuck,

Is there anyway the members in general can see a schedule of the roll out of board capabilties? In particular, there does not appear anyway to see player ratings. As I see it, this is an issue for players checking to see if there is someone abusing the situation.

Things we need added back quickly include tournament schedule with players posted for the event, player ratings and player ratings on the tournament schdule so we can get back to boasting/sobbing and see player round ratings.

For TD's that want to post round ratings, I have an excel spreadsheet that will calculate this for you. In the interim, if you want to use this e-mail me at jerrypower@sbcglobal.net and I will send it to you. It is generally + or - 5 rating points from the posted ratings, it can also calculate payouts, verify players are playing in the correct divsion based on age/rating/open-am/etc.

Is there anyway the members in general can see a schedule of the roll out of board capabilties? In particular, there does not appear anyway to see player ratings. As I see it, this is an issue for players checking to see if there is someone abusing the situation.


Posted by Theo last night: "The ability to view player data and ratings has been converted to the new site, but is waiting for a security review before we make it publicly available. We're hoping that happens in the next day or two."

He posted elsewhere that the Course Directory will come after that. TD uploading will be the last function to come back.

Is there anyway the members in general can see a schedule of the roll out of board capabilties? In particular, there does not appear anyway to see player ratings. As I see it, this is an issue for players checking to see if there is someone abusing the situation.


Posted by Theo last night: "The ability to view player data and ratings has been converted to the new site, but is waiting for a security review before we make it publicly available. We're hoping that happens in the next day or two."

He posted elsewhere that the Course Directory will come after that. TD uploading will be the last function to come back.



Sorry I did not find Theo's post. I understand that a scheduled roll out might be difficult to develop and to maintain, but having nothing except "soon" as an answer is frustrating.

Is there anyway the members in general can see a schedule of the roll out of board capabilties? In particular, there does not appear anyway to see player ratings.



For anyone desperate to see ratings, you can look players up from Google advanced search and click on the cached pages:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp...i=&safe=off (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=8824+rating&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq =&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=pdga. com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=& as_nhi=&safe=off)

This is me, the first 3 hits are my stats, ratings detail and ratings history pages. Just substitute the PDGA number (8824) to get yours...

just stressing how much you are needed & wanted.....you rock.....thanks forever!

GB

How close could one estimate a course SSA by setting the average of 5-10 (or more) players ratings to the average of the scores those players shot, then working from there to figure the SSA? Would this tend to be higher or lower than the actual calculated SSA?

Suppose 8 players ratings average 950.

The average of thier scores is 60

60 =950 rated round

50 points away from 1000

At this SSA level, strokes are worth approx 9.5 pts?

50/ 9.5=5.3

60-5.3=54.7

Estimated SSA somewhere around 54.7

That's essentially a "back of the napkin" calculation that gets you close. You don't know for sure whether the number will be slightly higher or lower because it depends on where the differences are in the official method versus this estimate. You should be able to get within +/-0.5 with this estimate.

I have a question for you Chuck. I am a 935 rated am, based on 66 rounds. I recently broke my throwing arm at the NorCal Championships throwing a thumber. I should be back playing in a couple of months, but will not be full strength for at least half a year. Is there any way I can be allowed to play intermediate during that time, and still apply my PDGA number and get ratings? Or would I have to play advanced due to my rating and have no realistic chance of cashing? I can't really expect to shoot better than 900-920 rounds, and just want to be competitive...

There's no allowance for injury with regard to ratings. There's just no way to fairly account for injuries other than actual scores that lower your rating. My suggestion would be to talk with the TDs and see if you can enter Advanced at a reduced entry fee (1/3 to 1/2) and play for Trophies Only. See how you do. You'll still get ratings. If you might have cashed then consider full entry at some events. If not, continue with Trophy Only until your rating drops and you can play Intermediate if you want for a few months until you've bounced back. Take care. That sounded like a nasty injury.

hey chuck, how long before the new ace race disc is pdga approved?

I find out about a day before everyone else. Homburg gets the discs and does the analysis then tells the rest of the Tech Committee it's done. So I rarely know when or if a disc has been submitted for testing until he sends us the results.

OK cool thanks

one more question...i was told this weekend at the vpo that you arent allowed to fix the chains on the basket before you putt on it. ive never heard that before. is this correct?

You can adjust them. The assumption is that they were in the proper position before the tournament started. So any jiggling out of place has occurred during the event. That allows you to straighten them out as needed per 803.05B.

so lets just say i presumably walk the course prior to the round to ensure that all chains are in their correct position, and lets just say on hole 9 of the round i am about to putt and i notice a few chains are tangled. am i allowed to move them back to their original position? i didnt get stroked for it but the guy told me that he did the weekend before for doing the same exact thing.

Good reason to carry a rulebook. Even 803.05D allows you to go by the majority of the group or get an official and not just go on the opinion of one player.

Chuck, who did you vote for today?

Bob Barr, Libertarian, which has been my leaning for Pres most years. Minnesota has always been a solid blue state for as long as I've lived here so the Pres electoral votes are pretty much automatic for Dems each year. I'll be interested to see if comedian, Al Franken, breaks through to the Senate here. But then we've had Jesse the wrassler as Governor so this really has been the "maverick" state. ;)

Hey Chuck,

Who should I get in touch with if I am interested in taking the Official's Exam?

Thanks, Chris

The PDGA office office@pdga.com

Thanks!

Chuck,

I'm not at all familiar with ratings and how they come about, so I can't answer my own question.

I played in the Upstate Classic this weekend at Timmons Park in Greenville. One of the competitors shot a -17. I was just curious how that would rate. Not sure what the SSA is for the course or how that even applies to figuring round ratings. All I know is that a -17 anywhere is pretty awesome. Congrats again Michael Jo.

Based on the SSAs from prior rounds at Timmons it looks like the rating for that round could top 1090. We'll find out the official number in a few weeks if the report gets to PDGA HQ by Friday.

How do we look up course SSA's now. Has it changed for the new, improved website? Did I just forget how? :confused:

Not hooked up yet. I asked Theo about it a few days ago and he posted it's on his long list of things to bring back.

Im not sure if this is the right place place for this question but I was wondering when we will be able to veiw player statistics again online? (ratings history ect...) Thanks alot! Matty

It's available now.
www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=31964 (http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=31964)

Chuck, I have two questions.

1. Have the Orlando Open results been sent to the PDGA yet?
2. Will the home page have next ratings update listed as the old home page did?

1. Have the Orlando Open results been sent to the PDGA yet?
I'm the last to know during the ratings update process. Always contact the PDGA office for this info.

2. Will the home page have next ratings update listed as the old home page did?
It already has been there for at least a week now. It's just not in red type at the moment. If you clikc on it there's even more info about when reports need to be turned in.

Chuck,
Is there anyway that you can tell which PDGA members rating is based on the most rounds?
Thanks,
Chris Tyler

Not at the moment other than looking up players who you might think. This is one among several fields that have been requested as sorting options for the ratings data. As of the September update, here are the only 8 players with more than 100 rounds in their rating during their last 12 months of play:
<table> <tr> <td>Bennett</td><td>Geoff</td><td>133 </td></tr> <tr> <td>McCabe</td><td>Eric</td><td>121 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Lopez</td><td>Liz</td><td>112 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Hatfield</td><td>Coda</td><td>110 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Leonard</td><td>Robert J.</td><td>109 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Reading</td><td>Jay Yeti</td><td>109 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Reading</td><td>Des</td><td>108 </td></tr> <tr> <td>Dollar</td><td>Matt</td><td>102 </td></tr> </table>

Hi Chuck,
Way to remain calm during the fiery storm of posts during the new site transition.
My question, is there any way to add the ratings to this tourney? Hott Final - Nov. 8th &amp; 9th (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7458)
Thanks

they will show up on the 25th. once scores become official the ratings disappear until the next update.

HOTT Final is definitely in the update.

Any idea if the Upstate Classic is going to be in the next update?

Not in.

That stinks. Finally get a win and it won't be in the update.

That event was too close to the Nov 12 deadline to realistically get in. TDs have 30 days to get their report filed.

Will the Flying Pig Open from Aug 23-24 be in? It is still showing unofficial ratings. Does that mean the TDs missed the 30 day window for filing the report?

Anything showing unofficial ratings right now means the PDGA does not have the report yet.

HOTT Final is definitely in the update.


Thanks. I'm assuming the round ratings will then be added?
How come there is no "show round ratings" button as there is on just about every other tournament that has the results posted?

HOTT Final is definitely in the update.


Thanks. I'm assuming the round ratings will then be added?
How come there is no "show round ratings" button as there is on just about every other tournament that has the results posted?



And now for the 75th time this year Chuck will say it again.... :p

Can't you people READ some of the posts above yours before posting, because more than likely, Chuck answered the question 3 posts ago. :eek:

perhaps they could put a blurb on the site telling people that when they see official scores but no ratings the ratings will appear with the next update. it would certainly save ck from answering the same thing over and over again.

Better would be to have another state for the tourney: Official results with Unofficial ratings. Then let unofficial ratings stay visible until they become part of the update.

it would also be nice if there were a way to tell if the results for an event were official or unofficial without opening each one, it would be as easy as making the little trophy icon a different color when the results are official, easy enough.

All of the above is in the planning stages. I'll be writing an FAQ on Ratings that will cover the Offical/Unofficial issue. Ideally, the goal is to figure out a way to leave any unofficial ratings up there until the official ones get processed. The icon thing on the schedule that indicates whether an event has unofficial or official results is one of many long standing upgrades that can hopefully be addressed some time after Theo can re-instate all of the old website functions.

it would also be nice if there were a way to tell if the results for an event were official or unofficial without opening each one, it would be as easy as making the little trophy icon a different color when the results are official, easy enough.



I like this idea. There is a way to tell if they're unofficial without clicking though. If using IE7, just hover your mouse over the trophy, a small info window pops up and either says "Unofficial or Tournament Results". I tried it in Firefox too.

HOTT Final is definitely in the update.


Thanks. I'm assuming the round ratings will then be added?
How come there is no "show round ratings" button as there is on just about every other tournament that has the results posted?



And now for the 75th time this year Chuck will say it again.... :p

Can't you people READ some of the posts above yours before posting, because more than likely, Chuck answered the question 3 posts ago. :eek:



Keith,
Thanks for posting - you're a big help.

I don't see my specific question answered 3 posts ago...this is the ask CK thread - go back to your own thread if you want to chime in w/o contributing.

Even after reading a few pages of this thread - I still don't know how / why the ratings are not on the tourney results page when the scores are there yet the ratings are on every other tournament that has the results posted.

It seems that it has something to do with official &amp; unofficial scores. Official &amp; unofficial really doesn't concern me. I'm just curious about what score = what rating.

It sounds as if the ratings will suddenly appear after the upcoming update. Time will tell.

I like the ratings system. I have no interest is the formula / variables / calculations / details of how thay are created.

The unofficial ratings are calculated by a web program if the TD uploads the results during or just after the event. Once the TD sends in the report, the PDGA checks the numbers and then posts the scores via the PDGA database which is not connected with the web system used by TDs. Thus, the unofficial ratings get wiped out when the official scores are posted. Then, once the official ratings are calculated five times per year (maybe 6 in 2009?), those numbers get added to the PDGA database which then allows the official ratings to be seen online. We're looking into a way to have unofficial ratings remain online when the offical scores get posted. But that will involve some tricky programming to bring the two independent processes together.

The unofficial ratings are calculated by a web program if the TD uploads the results during or just after the event. Once the TD sends in the report, the PDGA checks the numbers and then posts the scores via the PDGA database which is not connected with the web system used by TDs. Thus, the unofficial ratings get wiped out when the official scores are posted. Then, once the official ratings are calculated five times per year (maybe 6 in 2009?), those numbers get added to the PDGA database which then allows the official ratings to be seen online. We're looking into a way to have unofficial ratings remain online when the offical scores get posted. But that will involve some tricky programming to bring the two independent processes together.




NUMBER 75 boys and girls. Luckily I played the over and Made lots of cash - Thanks Frisbeeguy!

In all seriousness, those of us who read the discussion board on a regular basis see that the same questions get asked of Chuck, Dunipace, and others over and over again during the year as new members come in and think they are asking a brand new question. Most times (not necessarily in all cases) the EXACT same question was answered a few posts earlier. There are those of us regular readers that like to wager on how often a question will get asked and we enjoy the fact that posters will not look for an answer first asssuming that they must be the only one with that question. Chuck should just take this last post, put it on the FAQ page and then anytime it's asked he or anyone else, could just post the link and make the betting easier to track (especiallly with the MUCH slower load times on the website :D)

I'm sorry that the smiley face after the sentance didn't show I was just having fun, but it seems that with everything going on with the new site, having fun is not an option. Sorry to have troubled you.

Keith

I am working on a Ratings FAQ that should be ready to go before the end of the year. Then I can answer several questions here with just: FAQ. :D

perhaps if the search feature actually worked, this problem would be lessened. i know its there, but it has never successfully found me any information.

Chuck,

Why would Mr. Kramer (http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-detail?PDGANum=32461&amp;year=2008) have two rounds dropped (860 &amp; 824) from his rating (919) but the Associations favorite whipping boy (http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-detail?PDGANum=22013&amp;year=2008) have only one round dropped (851) but have an 859 included in my 926 rating? If it's a matter of deviation shouldn't 859 be dropped from a 926 player if a round of 860 is dropped from a 919 player?

Look up Standard Deviation and you'll understand. Clearly he's a more consistent golfer than you.

It is a matter of Std Dev and some of us will definitely note the humor in "proof" that you happen to be more deviant than he... :D
(at least this update)

There is no 'standard' standard deviation for everyone. It's all individualized and changes a little with each update. At some point, maybe we'll figure out an annual Mr and Ms Consistency award for those with the smallest standard deviations over a minimum of maybe their 50 most recent rounds.

Chuck,

Why would Mr. Kramer (http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-detail?PDGANum=32461&amp;year=2008) have two rounds dropped (860 &amp; 824) from his rating (919) but the Associations favorite whipping boy (http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-detail?PDGANum=22013&amp;year=2008) have only one round dropped (851) but have an 859 included in my 926 rating? If it's a matter of deviation shouldn't 859 be dropped from a 926 player if a round of 860 is dropped from a 919 player?



i love it when he starts to whine as his master plan starts to fall apart

btw - check went out today chuck ;)

I can't think of a better way to reward someone for not getting any better! :p

There is no 'standard' standard deviation for everyone. It's all individualized and changes a little with each update. At some point, maybe we'll figure out an annual Mr and Ms Consistency award for those with the smallest standard deviations over a minimum of maybe their 50 most recent rounds.

Ken Climo quite possibly would have won the consistency award for several years. Too bad he wasn't getting any better...

There are many long time members that would be happy to hold on to consistency. :p

Is this the first time two people have been rated 1040 or better at the same time?

Looks like it. Schultz never topped 1039. Lundmark just did. The record rating still stands at 1044 by Climo a few times.

I have a question I don't think even Chuck can answer. Has anyone guesstimated how high Climo's rating could have been in the 90s before the birth of the ratings system? I don't know if there's any way of calculating it, just curious.

It is a matter of Std Dev and some of us will definitely note the humor in "proof" that you happen to be more deviant than he... :D
(at least this update)



Ummm...
Curious....

Not dropping any rounds

Your disc golf Hero
average: 924.39
Standard Deviation: 24.76
AVE - 2 STDEV: 874.87

Jerri:
average: 915.81
Standard Deviation: 29.39
AVE - 2 STDEV: 857.03

The standard deviation is calculated without a player's lowest rated round being included in the calculation. It doesn't make sense to calculate it with a round that maybe shouldn't be included in the first place. This is an improvement from when we included all rounds before calculating it.

I have a question I don't think even Chuck can answer. Has anyone guesstimated how high Climo's rating could have been in the 90s before the birth of the ratings system? I don't know if there's any way of calculating it, just curious.


We've thought about it and it can be done. We can generate ratings working backwards on a timeline in the same way we currently move forward. However, the issue isn't the calculations but the fact that most tournament results prior to 1998 are on paper and not available in spreadsheets. It would take a lot of manual data entry to get those event results on computer to do the calculations. Brian Hoeniger has indicated he might be willing to do something like that in his retirement years but that's quite a ways off.

In terms of "best rated" rounds before 1998, we could probably find some of those on courses that are still in the ground and have SSAs. In addition, if we have good course length info, we could get within +/- 1 throw of the correct SSA on older courses with no data currently on file.

Hey Chuck,

Check these ratings out and tell me they are correct. How can an Intermediate player have a higher rating than an Open or Advanced player when they threw the same score but from shorter tees? Check the second round out. The first place Intermediate player threw a 73 from shorter tees and it was a 967 rated round. But, the first place advanced player threw the same thing from longer tees and the rating was 948.

If this is right, can you explain to me why it's so.

Codorus Autumn Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8272&amp;year=2008&amp;include_ratings=1#O pen)

According to the TD report, no divisions played any Am tees and the Intermediates played Codorus Red from the Pro tees in R2. Considering that the TD listed four layouts for Codorus on the report but had no divisions play the two Am tee layouts, I'm guessing something may be wrong with the report. We'll check with the TD.

That's what I was thinking.

Thanks Chuck.

Already heard from Jay and he's correcting the layouts. We'll get it fixed in our December correction run. Thanks for the tip.

The standard deviation is calculated without a player's lowest rated round being included in the calculation. It doesn't make sense to calculate it with a round that maybe shouldn't be included in the first place. This is an improvement from when we included all rounds before calculating it.



Obviously I disagree.

You're welcome to disagree. That's why it's the discussion board. But you haven't provided the counter argument for it to actually be a discussion. We obviously did it your way initially until we realized there was a more appropriate way. Explain why another way is better.

Already heard from Jay and he's correcting the layouts. We'll get it fixed in our December correction run. Thanks for the tip.



The tip came from my wife. She noticed a 946 rated 2nd round from that event and she thought that was a little wierd.

It's obvious what his reason is...because it benefits him more to have it his way. He's worried about falling behind in the ratings bet. Whichever way it's calculated should be fine as long as it's done that way for everyone. personally i think that no rounds should be thrown out. it someone is stupid enough to try to sabotage their rating to play a lower division, let them have at it! but I think there are too many legitimate rounds being thrown out. and if we are throwing out low rounds, how about suspect high rounds like hawk's 996. like he could ever shoot that again.

p.s. don't you love the way hawk pasted in the math like he did it?

Chuck, do you guys not drop the lowest rated round anymore? i noticed all my rounds are included.

Clearly I'm being punished for being the entertainer who can provide you greatness by shooting 996 and also provide you comedy with an 850. Jerry is a boring grinder.

wow, you're clearly the better carnival ride!

We only drop rounds more than 2.5 standard deviations below a person's rating or more than 100 points below it. It works out to about 1 in 50 rounds getting dropped on average throughout the PDGA.

Note that any person any time can "choose" to shoot a round more than 100 points below their rating. No one can "choose" to shoot a round more than 1000 points above their rating. Extremely high rated rounds are ALWAYS legit (presuming no scorecard fraud). Extremely low rated rounds can be suspect or due to special penalties such as being late for a few holes to start.

Just wondering how this whole thing works with ratings. I had an 857 the only two rounds I had were a 917 and a 873 and I only moved up 7 points?

I'm clueless. Thanks!

Big George

Unfortunately, I can't point you to the ratings documents because they haven't been set up online yet. But your rating is basically the average of all rounds you've played within 12 months of your most recently rated round with the most recent quarter getting double weighted. Even though you only had two rounds added, it's possible you also had some rounds drop off that became more than 12 months old. So you probably lost some and gained two new ones which were double weighted based on the number of rounds you've played.

Thanks that helped! I understand now!

Chuck, did you post somewhere that you would be updating world rankings soon?

I'm waiting for the special rating file from Roger before I can do them. I'm hoping I'll get it from him overnight. If I get them done tomorrow, I don't think Dave will be around to post the full file until after the holidays but I might try and paste the full list with limited details in the PDGA Announcements.

Refresh my memory here Chuck...what is the minimum number of rounds included in an update? Just wondering about where I would stand today if my most recent tournament had been included in this past update.

I have 10 rated rounds in the recent update, which included a tournament over 12 months old, and my latest tournament was a 3 rounder. If the minmum is 10, I assume the oldest 3 rounds will be dropped? Which would bring me back to 10 and mean that my 2 or 3 most recent rounds would be double weighted?

World rankings only include Majors, NTs, A-Tiers and B-Tiers for your rating right?

So you could be rated like 996 and have a couple crappy C-Tiers bringing ur rating down but make it into the world rankings cuz ur rating would be a 1000 or higher with out those C-Tiers?

Refresh my memory here Chuck...what is the minimum number of rounds included in an update? Just wondering about where I would stand today if my most recent tournament had been included in this past update.



There is no minimum. We count however many you have within 12 months of the date of your most recently rated round. We only go back farther if the number is less than 8 rounds in your most recent 12 months.

World rankings only include Majors, NTs, A-Tiers and B-Tiers for your rating right? So you could be rated like 996 and have a couple crappy C-Tiers bringing ur rating down but make it into the world rankings cuz ur rating would be a 1000 or higher with out those C-Tiers?



C-tiers are only counted for players from outside North America. The other differences are that no rounds are double weighted and the 12 month period is identical for all World Ranked players each update. For example, even if a top player hasn't played since June and his rating is based on rounds from June back to the previous June, for World Rankings coming up, rounds will only be counted during the 12 months from about Nov 1 back to Nov 1 of last year for everyone.

There is no minimum. We count however many you have within 12 months of the date of your most recently rated round. We only go back farther if the number is less than 8 rounds in your most recent 12 months.



Thanks Chuck. That is what I meant. I knew there was a minimum ammount you had to have in the twelve month period. I only have 9 rated rounds in 2008. I thought it was 10 minimum and therfore rounds from a September 2007 tournament might be included. Now I know that those are going away.

Hey Chuck, do you still have access to the TD reports included in the last update? I believe there may be something wrong with Coyote Classic b-tier on October 25-26. The ratings seem to be a bit lower than most people I've talked to think they should be. To my knowledge, only the pro divisions and ma1 played on the same layouts. Is there any way you might be able to check it out? One of my ratings is as much as 14 points lower than the PDGA calculator predicted. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

It shows just two layouts with all pros and MA1 playing Coyote in R1 &amp; R3 and playing KO in R2. If that's correct then the ratings are correct. However, it doesn't show the other divisions playing shorter tees but the same as the Pros/MA1 on those layouts. Maybe that's the problem?

Some errors:

Pros and ma1 played KO first, then coyote. On day 2 Pros and ams played a longer KO layout, by about 500 I'd guess. Ams played same coyote first and KO on day one, then a different layout coyote on day 2. What should I do?

You'll be getting an email.

hi chuck, where can i find the dimensions of discs? I have searched with no luck. in particular, i have a disc labeled FB, but the rim doesn't look wide enough, i'm thinking it's a Teebird that had an extra dash written on the "T". do you know a site that lists the rim size? thanks

The only dimensions I know of are the detailed ones provided for the Approved discs here: www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_approved_discs_and_targets.pdf)

Otherwise, you would have to go to manufacturers for other dimensions not included.

that's a cool chart, never seen that, very helpful.
thank you o sagacious one!

chuck
Why wasn't Outlaws included in the latest rating update?
http://pdga.com/event?TournID=8217

Results are unofficial. Looks like the TD report hasn't been processed by the office. (or hasn't been submitted).

the TD report was sudmitted shortly after the event. SO.....is it the office has not processed and is this an isolated issue?

No answer available on here. Only PDGA office knows what the status is with that report. tourmgr@pdga.com

thanks

Chuck,

I played in the Upstate Classic back in November. The results are finally up on the tournament thread. There aren't any ratings attached to it though. What can I do to figure out my round ratings? Thanks for the help.

Look at the ratings for previous events on that course, probably the Upstate from the year before.

www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7219&amp;year=2008&amp;include_ratings=1#O pen (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7219&amp;year=2008&amp;include_ratings=1#O pen)

I did that. The course is different this year. They had to move three holes. I was say the course plays about the same though. Will the ratings for this years tournament ever be visible?

January 27th at the official ratings update for yearend.

Chuck:

Pardon my ignorance....Our course was part of a "c" tier back in September. How do I find out what the SSA is for the course?

Steve

They are real close to getting those links back up where you'll be able to go to an event and click on a link called Course Statistics. That will take you to the SSAs for the course layouts at an event that has official ratings. But another way is to just look at the ratings and find the person who had the score closest to 1000 rating and that will be within one throw of the SSA for the layout.

It's a little trickier if the highest rating for a layout is maybe 970 for a score of 53. If you see that every throw is worth 10 ratings points, then that means the SSA would be 50 for that course in this example.

Mr. Thirty-Four

Can you help a clueless Southern DGer?
(Personal attack on one's self....)
I can't seem to find Q &amp; A section of the rules.
Got a link? Will you share it with us, please?

steve timm

Don't think link is up yet. I might be able to post the text if you remember which one you're looking for?

34 answers a question with another question.
I will wait for link.

Any word on updated rule books that incorporate QA?

s timm

Haven't heard but I doubt it will happen until the rulebook itself gets revised. I think the plan is 2010 but I know Chappy doesn't want to have all of the revision meetings this coming year since he's running Worlds. So it might be 2011.

Here's the Rules Q&amp;A (http://krupicka.org/discgolf/rule_casebook.080218.htm) as of February 2008.

Unfortunately this has the incorrect kneeling on a towel ruling.

WFDF hasn't included the Rules Q&amp;A even though the rules and notes to changes for 2006 are there.

Appreciate the resource

s timm

Hey Chuck,

Do you still think we should expect a mid-Dec corrections update or will it be in the regular update in 09? Thanks.

Looks like it will just be rolled into the yearend finale.

cool thanks.

Chuck-

How many points/events do you need to earn a pro tour card?

Thanks

I don't know. I'm not involved in that process. It doesn't look like the document that shows the current tour card holders is online and that might tell you. Contact tourmgr@pdga.com for the scoop. It may slightly change every year based on membership numbers and points earned by division.

Chuck, I've been looking for something to do on Sunday after the Memorial is finished. A Super class tournament might be fun. Do you think I should really shorten up the vista course? Is it too soon in the year for much to be out there for discs? How can I run two quick rounds so people can make their flights? I was thinking of offering an ultra star, and a j star in a players package so people will have something to throw. What are your thoughts?
Gaff

I had this idea this morning so I haven't put a ton of thought into it yet
Gaff

Do you think I should really shorten up the vista course? Is it too soon in the year for much to be out there for discs? How can I run two quick rounds so people can make their flights? I was thinking of offering an ultra star, and a j star in a players package so people will have something to throw. What are your thoughts?


The good news is that those Super Class discs float... :D
How about throwing in portables to split 6 to 9 holes of that awesome layout and make the course 24 or 27 holes, then play one round? That would make several of the holes more SC friendly on that beautiful route and get you done faster.

Sullivan said he's been getting several requests about Super Class and maybe Kenner will consider making a heavier Sky Pro by then? The J*Star at 145 is approved for SC by waiver but not PDGA approved yet. The Sky Pro is apparently the same mold and is approved up to 200 grams if Discraft decides to make it heavier. Your request might make the difference.

Chuck,
I know you aren't the correct person for this question but figured you could point me in the proper direction in a timely manner. I just sent in our club roster for the PDGA Affiliate Club Program and was getting ready to mail the check but was hoping there was an electronic payment method available to speed things up(Visa, Paypal, ???). Is this possible or is a check in the mail my only option. If anyone else sees this and knows the answer please let me know. Thanks!

Jerry D

Call PDGA HQ and ask. However, the credit card fees may eat up much of the affiliate club savings.

Chuck,
I know you aren't the correct person for this question but figured you could point me in the proper direction in a timely manner. I just sent in our club roster for the PDGA Affiliate Club Program and was getting ready to mail the check but was hoping there was an electronic payment method available to speed things up(Visa, Paypal, ???). Is this possible or is a check in the mail my only option. If anyone else sees this and knows the answer please let me know. Thanks!

Jerry D



From the menu across the top of the page, place your mouse over PDGA HQ and select Pro Shop from the drop down menu.Once you get to the Pro Shop, select Affiliate Clubs. When you get to that page, it should give you the option of paying your 2009 Affiliate Club dues online. You can also input and pay for all the memberships.

The use of ribbons in a normal PDGA event (not X-tier) allowed or not?

Also, the same questions for LEDs or glow sticks.

The use of ribbons in a normal PDGA event (not X-tier) allowed or not?

Also, the same questions for LEDs or glow sticks.



Should be NO - as they are all post production modifications to the disc.
Unless you get a waiver from Gentry of course.

That would be my thoughts as well. ; )

The use of ribbons in a normal PDGA event (not X-tier) allowed or not?

Also, the same questions for LEDs or glow sticks.



Should be NO - as they are all post production modifications to the disc.
Unless you get a waiver from Gentry of course.



I think this is exactly correct. You can get a waiver if snowy conditions are expected. However, in the absence of a waivier, you cannot modify a disc. Terry Miller expected snow for an event in the Land o' Cheese two years ago and posted the following regarding a waiver that was granted by Dave Gentry on the DISContinuum board:

You guys asked for it and I'm providing it. Below is the official take on the PDGA Special Rules for this event. I cannot stress enough that this is a 'special case' that we were granted from Mr. Gentry. This is for this event ONLY and any other special requests always have to go through him. I am likely going to host a C-Tier at Dineen on December 30th and those rules may or may not apply at that time. By default they will NOT apply as they are a case by case thing. I am very pleased with Mr Gentry's decision and his willingness to work with us on this special case.

Here you go:

Disclaimer: This waiver is only good for the Brown Deer Wintertime Open on December 9th, 2006 in Milwaukee, WI. Any event desiring a similar waiver may request one by contacting the PDGA Tour Manger.

Waiver specifics: Due to significant snow accumulation the following conditions that deviate from the PDGA Official Rules of Disc Golf have been approved.

1) Players are permitted to affix ribbons to their discs to aid the group in the location of a throw. These ribbons are to be used solely for location purposes and any other purpose is prohibited.

2) The text of the Lost Disc rule in section 803.11B will be replaced by the following:

�A player whose disc is declared lost, shall receive one penalty throw. The approximate lie for the player�s next shot shall be marked in-bounds nearest the spot where the disc was last seen, as agreed to by a majority of the group or an official.�


David Gentry
PDGA Tour Manager

So when's the next ratings update, sometime January?

January 27th

Chuck,
Just yesterday I was looking at a post of number of courses by state. I can't remember where it was, which forum was it in? Thanks!

Chris

Not sure myself. It was likely either in the Announcements area or maybe the Course Design thread.

hey chuck are the ratings for the word rankings calculated the same as our pdga ratings other than not including the C-Tiers and lower events?

No. There's no double weighting and only events in the exact same 12 months are included for everyone. For your regular PDGA rating, let's say your most recent event was July 2008. You could have rounds included back to July of 2007. However, if we're calculating the ratings used for November World Rankings, we only count rounds from Nov 2007 thru Oct 2008 so it's the exact same time period for everyone. So in your case, any rounds in your regular rating between July 2007 and Oct 2007 wouldn't be included for your November World Ranking rating.

Where/when will the touring card pros list be posted?

That can't be calculated until the final ratings and points are completed at the end of January, probably posted in Feb. Not sure where the list will be located but I would think it would be announced on the Home page.

Chuck,
I was wondering about The Homies Fall Celebration. It was in October. the tournament results are messed up and havent been updated for a while now. any word on that?

Any questions about event results have to be directed to PDGA HQ tourmgr@pdga.com where they get them and try to decipher them. The Ratings team only sees what the PDGA office eventually gives us to do the ratings processing.

Hypotetically speaking -- If a member's most recent rated round for an update occurred on the 24th of a month, do 12 months worth of rounds going back to the 25th day of that month on the prior year get included or does the calculation include rounds going all the way back to to the 1st day of the month a year earlier?

also, have you considered putting a decription on the ratings page which describes the formula or do you like getting asked the same questions over and over? :D

All rounds in a tournament get the same date (first day) in the file regardless what day the round was played. Rounds in an event on the same date 12 months ago would not get included. However, because we schedule on weekends, the same event 12 months ago usually gets included because the actual date is one or two days earlier the following year.

The Ratings FAQ has been written but that and the other ratings docs haven't been made available on the new site yet.

this has likely been answered before, the search feature at the top of the website does not seem to be working and the new site is very difficult to navigate at this time

what is the cut off age for joining the pdga as a junior?

also, if a 948 rated player cashed as a pro in 2007, do they have to join the pdga in 2009 as a pro or as an am (being their rating is below 970)?

thanks

Youth can join as juniors if they haven't accepted cash and their birthday is in 1990 or later.

Once a pro, renew as a pro unless you specifically request reclassification as an Am.

That's not entirely accurate. You can play as a junior if you are an amateur and were born in 1990 or later. You can pay a half-priced junior membership if you are an amateur and were born in 1993 or later. Probably the latter is what you care about when asking about "joining the PDGA as a junior."

If you are rated under 960 and are less than 40 years old it is pretty easy to get your am status back, but you have to ask for it. Call the office. The number is at the bottom of the page. They'll tell you, or whoever, what to do.

thanks as always Chuck for your helpfulness, professional approach to DISCussion, &amp; transparency :D

Hi Chuck
I am trying to get in touch with Chris Himming. If you could find out I would appreciate it. My email is bobntrumann@yahoo.com. All i need is his email, of course a phone number to australia would be helpful.
Thanks
Uncle Bob

I don't have that info. Please contact PDGA office or perhaps some of the Texas people like those at Millennium may have that.

Chuck,

I have a question about how ratings are calculated on events that are just now coming in from earlier in the year. You and I played in The Parklane Open and it is just now showing up on my stats page. The round ratings are yet to be calculated until the next update.

The question is...will these round ratings be rated using the player ratings the day of the tournament?...or will they be calculated using the current player rating?

Current ratings are used. Otherwise, your previous ratings at each update in your history, since that event, would have to be updated each time we did ratings updates.

So would this cause tardy TD reports to have depressed or inflated ratings (assuming the general trend that players are improving)?

Well..the reason I ask is because...that tournament was like 2 updates ago. Almost every developing player is currently rated higher than they played that day. I personally had a bad day. I believe I remember you having a bad day....it was wet and muddy. If the guys that were rated in the 820s are now rated in the 880's...I think this will cause the value of each shot to be much less than it actually was that day.

There's a net zero difference betwen ratings before and after a round among propagators. If the overall propagator rating average does go up due to their improving ratings long after an event report should have been filed, it only helps your round rating no matter what you shot because the SSA will be slightly higher.

I assumed it would help me...I just don't think I deserve to be helped with a round when I shot like crap :)

If you believe that players who are improving quickly are slightly under rated until they level out, then waiting until their rating catches up probably produces a more accurate set of round ratings if an event is processed six months later than it should. Not that we want to encourage TDs to delay reports.

Chuck, should i be scared of the next # i'm going to see? When you shake your magic 8-ball does it reveal an up arrow or down arrow?

I just got the first batch of reports to do course layouts a few minutes ago. We're at least a week away from guessing.

With the 08 PC being added i'm just hoping that the doubled weighted 937 (on my home course :confused:) wont be doubled weighted. It's pretty safe to say (again) that my rating wont be starting with a 1. :D

With the 08 PC being added i'm just hoping that the doubled weighted 937 (on my home course :confused:) wont be doubled weighted.
It's pretty safe to say (again) that my rating wont be starting with a 1. :D

(emphasis added)

if so, welcome to the club. misery loves company :D

Chuck, does the rating on a course change with every round? Due to weather and other conditions other than hole placement and tee pads.
Also can a rating system be made based on a tourney or enough events to establish a rating for any round played on the course?
I only ask for local players to know what type of rating that round would get them in a tourney.

The course rating is calculated separately for each round and the numbers are usually close from round to round under the same conditions. However, there's some statistical fluctuation so what we do is use all of the scores from all rounds on the same layout to calculate the SSA so the official round ratings will be the same for the same score in all rounds on that layout in the event.

You can look at the course history online to see the SSAs and determine a typical SSA for a layout. So yes, you can provide a guide for what rating a score is likely to get under normal weather conditions. Here's the link: www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course (http://www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course)

ok, thanks that is good info, but I can not find my course on that link. We have held PDGA events the last 5 years.

Ed Austin Park (Fore Palms DGC)
http://www.pdga.com/course-details?id=158

Any idea if we have an SSA calculated?

Is this it? www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course?RatingCourseID=1192 (http://www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course?RatingCourseID=1192)

has the deadline passed for the td report for the jan update?

Yes. But we'll be getting any 2008 event stragglers in a corrections update a week or so into Feb that will be the final "final" for 2008 ratings. Just to be clear, no 2009 events will be included in any ratings update until the first official one, March 17.

ah, i didnt understand that. thanks, that makes alot more sense.

Yes, Chuck that is our course, thank you!

Chuck, in regards to the SSA at District II Regional Park (Ed Austin Park) Fore Palms disc golf course that you sent me the link to-the way I understand it, this is a 1000 rated score, is that right? Using the Red Tee SSA from last years tournament, a 61 from the A pin placement and a 62 from the B pin placement would be 1000 rated rounds. How do we figure all other round ratings from, lets say, 950 to 1050? How would you think we could establish SSA�s for the 18 hole courses?
Thanks.

Chuck, is there world rankings for Jrs and if yes where do I locate them

Chuck, is there world rankings for Jrs and if yes where do I locate them


No World Rankings for any players other than those who enter Open Men with ratings over 1000 or Open Women with ratings over 900.

A far as Junior rankings by ratings, that sorting function hasn't gotten to the top of the priority list yet for the PDGA tech team to implement. However, you can at least sort by points but not ratings for Juniors at the bottom of this page: www.pdga.com/tour_stats (http://www.pdga.com/tour_stats)

How do we figure all other round ratings from, lets say, 950 to 1050? How would you think we could establish SSA�s for the 18 hole courses?


All you need to do is look up the events where those SSAs were produced in the PDGA Tour calendar. You can tell from the scores and ratings what score produces a 950 or 1050 rating and how many rating points each throw is worth.

Chuck, is it about time for guesses so we can revive the ratings thread?

It's so cold here that guessing can't thaw out and start until Monday...

Might as well wait two more days then.........

I don't think mine will be too hard to figure out anyway.

Chuck, why am i nervous? :D

Well, there's good news/bad news this update depending on how you played in the 7-8 tardy events with TD reports that haven't been received yet. We're doing a final corrections update a few weeks after the update on schedule to be posted Tuesday. So hopefully we'll get those 7-8 stragglers by then. TDs have had a perfect record getting all reports submitted for the previous 3 years so we they can keep the streak alive.

I have a question about player ratings and the divisions.. I haven't been a PDGA member for the last 2 years.. My old rating is 900. Can I play Advanced in a tournament, or do I have to go back to playing Intermediate? Thanks..

You can always play up a division or two or three. Your rating only prevents you from playing below your level.

chuck, im curious about points in player profiles.

why do some accurately show the points, while some seem to never add up to the right number. i know they dont really mean much, but im confused as to why mine add up to about the right amount, but i see people with half the rounds have more points, and adding them up they dont reach the posted total. the only thing i can see is that worlds may be listed but doesnt list points. is that the difference? could worlds house the 2000 missing points for some player profiles? if so, that just kills the case for points at all, if you play worlds, youll get a points invite for the next year???

Points are awarded for all major events now but I suspect that the online programming hasn't caught up to display them yet although the PDGA database calculates them and provides the proper total. Playing in BG Ams used to provide sufficient points that entring it was all you had to do to get an invite. At least now, actually playing in the major events can provide a large number also. Seems to make sense that those willing to participate in majors like Worlds should earn something to help them get invited the following year.

so its calculating majors (am nats and worlds) just not displaying them. i see, makes sense.

Chuck did the IDGC Ice Bowl make it into the rating calcs for the update tomorrow?

Pssst... the ratings were posted already early this morning. :)

No 2009 events are in the ratings until the March 17 update.

Sorry PDGA home page says today and tomorrow, so you can see how I was mistaken.

Sorry PDGA home page says today and tomorrow, so you can see how I was mistaken.



Yes you were Mistaken! Don't try to pass off attacks on the PDGA for they can do no wrong.

hey chuck, didn't find a thread in rules, so i'm asking you.

a player missed a triple mando going wide right, then it took a crazy roll and came back through the mando from the other side and landed Tee-side of mando. they ruled it safe and he proceeded to approach through the mando and carded his 3.

another player missed the mando on the left, it hit a tree and bounced straight back 30 feet, landing on "safe" side of mando. sounds like same scenarios, just wanted some clarification.

i thought once you missed the mando, it doesn't matter what the disc does and you either re-tee or go to a drop zone (if provided). how could they have misinterpreted this?

thanks

Making a mando is flight based meaning the mando is made if at any time during the flight, the disc completely crosses the mando line on the correct side, regardless where the disc lands after that. Missing a mando is based on the final resting place of the disc like most rules. You have only missed a mando if the disc lands on the wrong side of it AND the shot didn't cross the correct side of the mando in the correct direction during the flight. In both of your examples, the disc ended up on the safe side of the mando, so it wasn't missed and it also wasn't made. It's just like a short shot that hasn't reached the mando yet.

Chuck, I should know this but can't get it straight. I'm a 40 yr. old 947 rated player. The scenario being that I play in a pdga sanctioned tourney in the open masters and take first place and decide to take prizes instead of cash. Then can I play advanced masters division in a later tournament? I know I can play advanced division but not sure about adv. masters division? Thanks for your help.

Assuming you are an Am member of the PDGA and not a pro yet, you can play in Master Advanced, Master Pro, and Open Pro plus whatever am division matches your rating, in this case, Advanced. If you decided to accept cash and your rating stayed above 934, you would forfeit the ability to play in Advanced Master but not Advanced until your rating gets over 969.

Hi Chuck,

Any idea when the rules Q &amp; A will be back online?
Are they currently available somewhere now?

Thx

No and No. You could possibly get a copy by contacting the PDGA office. Dave and I are in the middle of getting content back online and the Ratings docs are next. I'll ask him if he can get the Q&amp;A back online. However, it's possible the hold up might be resolving whether they are "official" or not with the Rules Committee. But I'll check and post.

It isn't a ratings Q... But who would I contact for the best and most accurate extensive info on each of the World Championships? I mean a list of champs, runners up, victory margins, locations, etc. through the years.


-Chris.

Probably Board member Rick Rothstein. The Worlds results from 2001 to present are currently online. If you have an oldtimer in your area with a low PDGA number, they might have all of the old magazine issues with the results in them.

Has it ever been in consideration making changes to ratings depending on playing on less than adequate equipment?

Home made baskets, ching baskets, Travelers? Sure they are fine for the casa but at an sanctioned event where ratings could be affected? Has there ever been adjusting for such circumstances and what would they be?

It is taken into account since the SSA is generated based on the scores thrown that round. If the baskets are a little easier like Travelers or a little tougher like maybe Skillshots, it all comes out in the scores that generate the SSA which generates the ratings.

How about making a policy disallowing single-chained crappy temps at B-tiers and above. I even played an event with one of those red "toy baskets" that had plastic chains and both Vinnie and I had spits from within 12ft.

That's pretty much the case with the new target specs that just went into effect. However, for the rest of 2009, the Tour Guides will allow them. But the Competition Committee will need to address this discrepancy the Board approved versus the Tour Guide sometime this year to prepare for 2010. TDs will always be able to ask for and potentially get a waiver turning the event into an X-tier due to lack of basket quality, but players will at least know in advance.

OK, I'm ready to jump in the super class pool there is an upcoming event at Pohick in Virginia that will use superclass discs round 1 regular golf discs round 2 anyway I need to pick up a few superclass discs and need some advice on what to get. I've heard a lot about the Zepher and the Sonic sounds like an interesting superclass disc too. What's the lowdown best disc for driving, best for putting, etc. Thanks.

Sonic is too small for Super Class. The Superhero, which is made for Hero discs by Innova, is a similar design as the Sonic, and like a Fastback, IS just barely big enough for Super Class. You can get them in DX, Champ or Star plastic. Recommend a Zephyr in the 170-185 weight range if you're just going to throw one Super Class disc. There are some new models being planned in an attempt to rival the Zephyr as an all-around SC disc but haven't been produced just yet.

If you want to carry more, then also get a max weight Zephyr 194-200. Or, if you can still find a Te Moko at an online retailer, get one. It's the most overstable among Super Class so far. Several of our league players really like the Superhero only available at 135-140 for tailwind throws, especially shots in the 25-50 ft range since it just floats and doesn't drop like the heavier discs.

Download the PDGA Approved disc list which now indicates in a right side column which discs are legal for Super Class and also for Vintage in Overall events. Maybe you have some of these in your disc stock already.

www.pdga.com/tech-standards (http://www.pdga.com/tech-standards)

Just making sure someone is aware of the fact that there is an incorrect PDGA# for the second day of the Cracked Plastic Classic [feb8] held earlier this month... Rick Kramer's PDGA# is 26950 (listed as 26450).

Do you feel 56? :D

Happy b-day....

when i'm chuck's age, i sure hope i feel 56 /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I'm hoping to complete a 'straight' today which is 3/4 and I'm 56 with a dinner for 2 tonight at 7...

(what do you expect from the numbers guy:cool:)

Happy 69th to my DAD (there's a number for you :D), and Happy Birthday to the professor also!

Keith

is the feature still available where you can see top players by rating and sort them (by state, division, etc)?

http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-search

it's still there- they just haven't linked to it.

figured... thank god the link for pdga demographics is there

TThanks

http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-search

it's still there- they just haven't linked to it.



Yet Chuck claims it was never there............must have lost a few fruit loops.

actually chuck is the one who posted at some point that it was still there.

What I posted was that searching by age divisions within states by ratings hasn't been done yet, just points and money. Gentry said he wants to add ratings, to the points and money options at some point.

Chuck, I have only played one event (IDGC Ice Bowl-Jan, 2009) this year, it shows up on the tour schedule page but does not show up on my membership stats page. Any ideas?

Will these scores be included on my next rating update?

No 2009 events have been processed for official ratings yet. Any results you see online were put there by TDs for unofficial results. We're working on the first 2009 update right now with posting on March 17.

What's the reasoning for making the cut off date for TD's to report scores the week before the first NT?

The NT is being included. Players have been complaining for years that we didn't do ratings early enough in the year. So we added more updates this year to try it. There are only 50 events in this update (we normally process at least 150 per update). Maybe we'll delay the first update a few more weeks next year.

Hey Chuck
It was a new record of 77 degrees here today, sunny, light wind and frighteningly beautiful. Knocked off early and had to play a round at Fossil Hill.
You get in a couple of rounds today?? Looks like some special spring weather up your way today and especially tomorrow.
Enjoy......
Sincerely,
Your sunburned buddy.
jw

Rain, cold or snow, our hacker league happens every Wednesday at 11am. Although I'm a more fair weather player except when running Super Class league this winter every Sunday.

I just heard that the worst blizzard of the winter was about to hit you 'sota folks.
You better bundle up your left one because the right one is a gonner!!!

If two different players, playing the same tournament, in two different divisions score the same will they receive the same rating? In other words, does the division a player plays effect ratings?

As long as they played the same layout, the division will not affect the ratings.

Thanks, that's what I hoped.

However, if they play the layouts on different days or at different times, then they might be rated separately. At the Memorial, the Advanced scores produced ratings, the Open produced ratings, the other Pros produced ratings, and the other Advanced produced ratings - all of these calculations were done separately. So, the same score on Fountain or Vista may have four different ratings this time reflecting different playing conditions.

Hi, were is the info on ams taking pro cash and and still playing some am events? Thanks

I found the chart but I've heard of restrictions from majors, what other restrictions for less than 970 rated pros playing am events? Thanks

Pros under 970 rating are only prevented from playing Am majors which for now would be Worlds and Am Nats.

Chuck, is there an average for divisions on how close their typical round is to their rating? for example I am rated 977 and I feel that I seldom shoot much more then 30 points either side of that.
Is that typical in Pro Masters, and if so, statistically speaking how do the different divisions "stack up"?

Thanks! Mike G.