Back to big boy golf in socal.I am pleased to announce the grand opening of the Riverside Golf Club next weekend Saturday the the 10th.The inland empire has not had golf for a long time, the closest courses were whittier ,or La marada, or HB, all 45 min to a hr drive.The course is changing from a par 72 to a 71 and some new golf holes are being designed.The course has one of the best proshops, bar, restraunt.I mean full service bar, shots for everyone...... The course is owned by the city of riverside, the managers are awsome ,Debbie and Brian.The course is mostly flat, with some water, tons of trees ,this will will be like my Fla courses.I do plan on 2 sets of tees because of the size of the course, pro will come in at 12,800 to 13,200 ams will be about 10,200 to 10,900..I have designed the front 9 only ,back 9 will be done this weekend..This will be a fun, and challenging course.We will be able to have glow golf events out there..I will have flyers at all the local disc golf courses next week.I will know the rates by monday, they will be great, with carts.....The location is 1011 N Orange St.Riverside CA in the corner of the 215 and the 60 freeway eays to get to.This will be my 16th golf course ,I have 3 more this year to do, some east coast ..It has been a slow start for fly this year, but summer is here.I look forward to hearing comments, and getting blisters.Fly 18 ,still building disc golfs premier courses. ;)

Fantastic! Great job Reese!

Thanks for directions.

The location is 1011 N Orange St.Riverside CA in the corner of the 215 and the 60 freeway easy to get to.

Finished the design this weekend pros 12,547 ams 9,722.This is going to be a fun course par 71 with a bite.There is only 4 water holes 4 par 5s and and plenty of risk.Next saturday at 12:00 we open.The longest hole is 1,104 all par 5s are over 1,000 pro only.Good luck too all my friends going to Japan :D

My dates were the 17th of june not the 10th sorry. :o

Reese,
Can you pm me as soon as you find out rates. I might try to drive up there for the opening. Will you be available to shoot a round on the 17th?

The rates are as follows walking 7 day a week $9 $15 with a cart after 5:00 $6 $12 with cart.The same rates for 9 holes $6 walk $12 riding...This course is giant I suggest a cart..I will be out there all week to get the course ready.2 tees on every hole........ ;)

The design is fun.Why is there no topic on the Japan Open?Fog and rain have halted play.Looking at the scores this course is way to long and does not par out correctly.Some playere have not even completed thier first round and have to play what they missed and then another round for the day.This is way to much golf .It as ashame they did not follow golf.No golfers will watch us play.....As they are playing on temp baskets fly 18 puts them in the ground fo all to play.Par 72 would have been nice.... ;)

Stick to your own courses, Reese.

Like, maybe you should get a disc golf price sheet to the front desk so that when people call for tee-times the staff can tell them how much it costs. :confused:

Well said Rhett. :p

Trying to work my schedule to spend a few days in your area before I leave.

Rhett these are my comments on course design, from the facts and the #s from the course...I dont know where you cant find the rates, at riverside,rates have not been posted at the course. sirhc dont you have a plane to catch ;)

You claim the course opens tomorrow. Shouldn't the clubhouse staff know how much it costs by now???

Reece - thanks for posting the cart rates. How much will the ladies' entry be for tomorrow? Kat and I will be there. Will you be there tomorrow? I need to ask you about 2 things, one of them being the Monterey course and those details. CYA tomorrow! Gonna be HOT out too!
PS - Japan Open thread is alive and well :D:D

Tracy Thorpe - kickin some 150 class #$*&$!!! ;) ;)

Well said Rhett. :p

Trying to work my schedule to spend a few days in your area before I leave.



Chris, besides San Diego, will you be up in the So Cal area before you go? It seems like a very long time ago I first met you up in Santa Cruz... what year?? 1995ish??

Ya'll should come out and play this course !!!!!

Here is the Flyer to the tournament !!!!!
http://www.fly18.com/2006%20Rumble%20disk%20flye.pdf

Thanks !!!!! :D

Ya'll should come out and play this course !!!!!

Here is the Flyer to the tournament !!!!!
http://www.fly18.com/2006%20Rumble%20disk%20flye.pdf

Thanks !!!!! :D



Same weekend as Faultline in Santa Cruz?? :(

Not the best choice of weekends....

Mike the santa cruz course was not listed 3 weeks ago on the pdga site .And after searching this was the only spot with nothing going on after masters and before usdgc.My dates are final the players will decide.A 7 hr drive 2 grueling rounds on sat and 1 on sunday and another 7 hrs home.I do love and have supported delevega for years and it was not my intention to squat on it ...Marty and Tom have always ran a great event.14 less hrs of driving a larger course than dv with only 18 holes,golf carts and a fully stocked bar with restaraunt.And one more thing you wont bring back, is poision oak, that little friend that blisters up for a week or so. :oSam ferrins and Dave dunnipace with suzzett played the course yesterday I hope they had a great experience...This course is only 18 miles from innova and the only course in thr inland impire.Pro and am tees on every hole pro 12,640 par 71 ams 9,171 par 71...Breakfast and lunch will be served both days.....America is about options, fly 18 is just one big one. ;)This will be the best warmup course ,for all usdgc players 4 par 5s 2 over 1,1000.I have 2 new courses to do in the next 2 months 1 in ft worth 1 in orlando.Next year I will look for some more dates that will not conflict....This is my 16th course I am trying to to get to 20 by years end.....The future is being built f18....Vision purpose

Mike the santa cruz course was not listed 3 weeks ago on the pdga site <font color="red">BAD EXCUSE..The Faultline has ALWAYS been the 1st weekend in Oct & is the OPEN STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS </font> .And after searching this was the only spot with nothing going on after masters and before usdgc.My dates are final the players will decide.A 7 hr drive 2 grueling rounds on sat and 1 on sunday and another 7 hrs home.I do love and have supported delevega for years and it was not my intention to squat on it ...Marty and Tom have always ran a great event.14 less hrs of driving a larger course than dv with only 18 holes,golf carts and a fully stocked bar with restaraunt.And one more thing you wont bring back, is poision oak, that little friend that blisters up for a week or so. <font color="red">Its called giving a *%$# about OUR sport OVERALL. Not just personal gain!! :eek: When you "Squat" on your own peep's from your own region, you may get the same in return... "SQUAT" :o</font> :oSam ferrins and Dave dunnipace with suzzett played the course yesterday I hope they had a great experience...This course is only 18 miles from innova and the only course in thr inland impire.Pro and am tees on every hole pro 12,640 par 71 ams 9,171 par 71...Breakfast and lunch will be served both days.....America is about options, fly 18 is just one big one. ;)This will be the best warmup course ,for all usdgc players 4 par 5s 2 over 1,1000.I have 2 new courses to do in the next 2 months 1 in ft worth 1 in orlando.Next year I will look for some more dates that will not conflict....This is my 16th course I am trying to to get to 20 by years end.....The future is being built f18....Vision purpose <font color="red"> Thats awsome, I applaud your efforts OVERALL. What you do is unparalled in our sport. You just need to be a "bit" more cooperative. It would help you greatly. By the way hurry up and get a course approved for Central Oregon, What the heck are you waiting for??? :confused: :D</font>

I hate to stick up for Reese, but...........if the Faultline is on the same weekend every year, why the heck wasn't the sanctioning agreement sent in more than THREE WEEKS in advance?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!

There are so many dang tourneys in NorCal that no one can be expected to memorize the "standard dates" of every single one. Reese did his due-diligence in trying to pick a free weekend.

Now if he would just send in that sanctioning agreement of his so that the Riverside Rumble would show up on the PDGA schedule.... :)

When in doubt, check NorCal Series (http://norcalseries.com/schedule.html).

Not to stick up for NorCal, but as far as I know, events will not show on the PDGA schedule until the sanctioning fees have been received. Faultline could very well have submitted their sanctioning agreement well in advance, but waited to send the money.

I hate to stick up for Reese, but...........if the Faultline is on the same weekend every year, why the heck wasn't the sanctioning agreement sent in more than THREE WEEKS in advance?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!
<font color="red">IF?? ANY promoter OR PRO Disc Golfer in the state of Calif. knows when the Faultline is/was/and always has been played. </font>

There are so many dang tourneys in NorCal that no one can be expected to memorize the "standard dates" of every single one. <font color="red">Its the Open States, Rhett....Quit trying to act like you didnt ATTEMPT to do scheduling before....Certain events are a constant...ie Wintertime, Masters Cup, Golden State, St Pats, Faultline, etc.....nothings changed in the past 15 years or so... :p </font> Reese did his due-diligence in trying to pick a free weekend.





<font color="blue">Im glad we dont have such issues in my state :D</font>

Mike your words are harsh and untrue.I changed my event 3 times and had my dates approved by tim s.This is a course I have supported every year proudly with or without poision oak.This riverside course has only been open 2 months, and lots of payers wanted an event there, i did my best....Mike I dont think you know any person ,changing the the place we play ,and how we are precivied ,by the outside.You ask for my help ,in your town ,with a fly style course.Dont beat the messenger.This was a mistake but cannot be fixed at this time.I hope all players chose what course and format fits them best.America is about options fly 18 is just 1 big one... ;)

<font color="red">Its the Open States, Rhett....Quit trying to act like you didnt ATTEMPT to do scheduling before....</font>


It's funny that you emphasize that status when the tourney itself doesn't. :p

Anyhoo....there's no reason such a long standing and highly reputable tourney such as the Faultline couldn't have avoided all this confusion by sending in the sanctioning agreement and sanctioning fees well in advance of the tourney so that it would show up on the PDG schedule.

<font color="red">Its the Open States, Rhett....Quit trying to act like you didnt ATTEMPT to do scheduling before....</font>


It's funny that you emphasize that status when the tourney itself doesn't. :p

Anyhoo....there's no reason such a long standing and highly reputable tourney such as the Faultline couldn't have avoided all this confusion by sending in the sanctioning agreement and sanctioning fees well in advance of the tourney so that it would show up on the PDG schedule.



<font color="red"> Cant argue with that....... I now see that it has also dropped from A to B tier :( </font>

I changed my event 3 times and had my dates approved by tim s. <font color="red">Im sure that you did ....and I know that scheduling in Region 2 is a NIGHTMARE. There are OVER 80 sanctioned/non-sanctioned "B" Tier sized events a year, which is why things like this happen (ie Indian Summer same weekend as US Masters) I am sure that your event will be a great event BUT so is the Faultline. QUALITY events are not that easy to come by so it pains me to see 2 possible events compete for players...WHY?? :confused: Not sure, Im not even from your state anymore ;) :D </font>

I dont think you know any person ,changing the the place we play ,and how we are precivied ,by the outside.You ask for my help ,in your town ,with a fly style course.Dont beat the messenger. <font color="red"> Yea....Hurry up on that one...we have MULTIPLE players who pay $15 A DAY to play on MT Bachelor all summer long. We would gladly fork over some of that for a FLY18 course. Ive always said that Im a HUGE supporter, BUT also CRITICAL of your actions.. ;) :D</font>

If California is not big enough to have two tournaments on the same weekend, you need to annex Mexico or something.

If California is not big enough to have two tournaments on the same weekend, you need to annex Mexico or something.


It's never a problem when NorCal schedules a tourney on top of a SoCal tourney after extended planning and negotiation had given the SoCal tourney an exclusive weekend. But throw a SoCal tourney on a NorCal weekend......and watch out! :D

<font color="red">Its the Open States, Rhett....Quit trying to act like you didnt ATTEMPT to do scheduling before....</font>


It's funny that you emphasize that status when the tourney itself doesn't state it. :p




I found this <font color="red"> Faultline Classic Info</font> (http://www.delaveagadiscgolf.com/content/view/136/157/) on the NorCal Website.
I guess 3rd Billing doesnt qualify as "Promoting" :p

But then the <font color="red"> Faultline Flyer </font> (http://www.delaveagadiscgolf.com/images/stories/2006_Faultline/faultline_2006.pdf) doesnt have ANYTHING..
:p

There you have it Rhett...That MUST be the go ahead for SoCal to "Steal Away" the State Championships :eek: :D

Hey Mike
You don't even live in Ca. any more so zip it mister :p
plus a tourny as big as the faultline shouldn't be worried about a little old socal event anyways :p :p

and futher more was it you that said something like " i tired of all the headachs that go with being the state cordnator i.e schdule this reschdule that bah bah bah bah"
so why should you want to even bother yourself with any of this :D

and futher more was it you that said something like " i tired of all the headachs that go with being the state cordnator i.e schdule this reschdule that bah bah bah bah"
so why should you want to even bother yourself with any of this :D



Yep that was me...I said it..........

Why bother???

1) SoCal is where I lived for my 1st 29 years & where I started playing DG

2) NorCal is where I make my "Mark", good or bad, I guess ;).......( I am in the NorCal Series Hall of Fame, but then that should be in the "Boast" section)

Sad thing is I seem to be the only one who cares ....and Im in Oregon :p

Oh Well......Ive just switched my focus over to Course development and my new role as "Tournament Volunteer"...
I kinda like it

It will only be 2 events a year for me now....

KOA and the return of the Match Play Championships in '07 :D

Oh Well......Ive just switched my focus over to Course development and my new role as "Tournament Volunteer"...
I kinda like it



good luck with that I'm sure you'll come up with some rad course designs,I just moved to Lake Elsinore, Ca. and have eyed out some land that I think would make a great Disc Golf course.I'm going to take some pictures this weekend and show them to Tim and Dave so they can give me some advise on how to approach the city.

Oh Well......Ive just switched my focus over to Course development and my new role as "Tournament Volunteer"...
I kinda like it



good luck with that I'm sure you'll come up with some rad course designs,I just moved to Lake Elsinore, Ca. and have eyed out some land that I think would make a great Disc Golf course.I'm going to take some pictures this weekend and show them to Tim and Dave so they can give me some advise on how to approach the city.



:D Sweet :D

This is going to be a fun event ,big boy style.How far can you throw??? :DLots of entrys came in yesterday ,the HB ace pool is up to $750 we had 77 players last night .Getting ready for usdgc? :DYou will need the distance, ;)Riverside Rumble

<ul type="square"> Playing on a ball golf course with over 12,500 feet of total length from the long tees, this Fly18 course is the whole enchilada and then some. The disc golf layout parallels the ball golf layout for the most part, with the disc golf tees set in front of the shortest bolf tees, and the polehole usually located short of the greens. A few holes have pin locations near OB bunkers and greens, but thankfully much less so than at Emerald Isle where the green seems to come into play on almost every hole. Renting a cart on this almost pancake flat course isn�t a must, but it definitely helps with the length of the holes, as well as some of the long walks between holes. Fans of pro par four and pro par five golf will enjoy the length and challenge of this course, and you�ll certainly get a lot of field practice as many holes require a driver or roller to be thrown several times in succession. With the extremely short grass on the ball golf fairways, I was able to throw some of the longest roller shots I�ve thrown in my life � some in excess of perhaps 450 feet. (which is considerably further than I could throw an air shot) Careful attention must be paid to the wind however, and rollers that drift errant will go considerably far in unintended directions.

If I lived locally I would likely play this course often, but it�s not for everyone. Being able to throw for long distances (400 feet or more) is very helpful, and at least 300 feet is a must. Shorter-armed throwers and those who do not have a competent roller in their arsenal will be at a great disadvantage and would likely get bored quickly, especially from long blue tees. On the longest layout, the front nine flows rather nicely, but the back nine starts to grind, especially on holes#14 and 15, which are two 1075+ foot pro par five holes in a row that are almost completely wide open. It�s almost like they got to this point in the course design and decided to stop making it interesting. While I�m obviously a fan of the trend to move to higher par golf, I think having three 1000+ foot holes in the span of six holes (hole 10 = 1062 ft., hole 14 = 1075 ft., hole 15=1083 ft) that are basically long for the sake of long is dumb, imo. Furthermore, I was shocked when on the 17th hole of this layout, I looked at my bag and realized I hadn�t thrown a midrange disc the whole round � it seems very strange to throw between 70 and 80 throws at a course and not once use anything besides a driver or a putter.

I�m glad I went back a second time to play this course from the shorter white tees. This layout is �only� 9,320 feet and alternates between deucable 250ish and 320 foot par three holes, and 500-600 foot pro par four holes, which normally play from tees in the trees that shoot out into the fairway, then back to protected baskets and interesting pin positions. The par fives are a more realistic 800-870 feet long, and at this length, a birdie four is easily achievable. On the shorter layout I used a mid-range disc on several occasions, even from the tee, and witnessed other diverse shots such as tomahawks and sidearms being thrown that were never utilized on the long layout. I shot 5 under par on this layout, and had much more fun and appreciate the course that much more. This is absolutely the way to play the course, and I recommend that all golfers rated 950 and below avoid the long layout.

I think that disc golf courses on ball golf courses are an excellent idea in areas of the country where land and public park space is at a minimum. There�s certainly something to be said for being able to play disc golf on watered, manicured green grass, instead of scrub desert terrain. At its worst, a Fly18 course in California or Texas is probably going to be better than the nicest public park in those states. However, I doubt that this type of business venture is going to be successful in other areas of the country, where our state park & city park courses are actually amazingly nice. Very few people are going to pay the greens fees and cart fees to play on a ball golf course when the local public course is just as good if not better. I should also mention that a foursome or fivesome of disc golfers is going to play MUCH faster than a twosome of ball golfers. And if you�ve got a few foursomes of ball golfers in front of you, you are going to wait often unless you ask to play through. Another pet peeve at this course was the Dr. Fred baskets, with single chains that seem to deflect putts out instead of in. They also have an open top, allowing putts to fall in from above; this opens the debate over whether this is a potential design flaw that allows seemingly poor putts to make good. One final note is that I think these courses need to be set up for the proper skill level. There needs to be a set of true recreational tees for novice players, with holes that don�t exceed 500 feet in length. The course in Riverside features a set of white tees perfect for golfers rated 850-950, and set of blue tees seemingly geared for 1000-rated players or guys that can throw 475+ feet. How many of those are there in the Riverside / San Bernandino area, or even in Los Angeles? If you tear out the long blue tees and make the existing white tees the long tees, and add a new set of short tees for novice players, it�s going to go a long way to develop a disc golf community and local club in the new areas these courses are put in.[/list]

Who did you play with?The white tees are are a fun round ,for most all levels of play.It is a par 71 course all the way round.With it being so flat, on some holes I had nothing but distance to work with .Some of our pros, are passing up the par 5s in 2 shots, the ground is hard, and fast.Thanks for the kind comments on the course.If you are still in town and want to play again you know my # .2 more courses this year if all goes well Edgebrook in chicago will be down for winter baskets will be brought in this weekend,opens march 07.Thanks chicago for a great year my 2nd best course for rounds....Texas is next.....Fly 18 ....12,640 ft.... of fun... with a frosty scooner ..a golf cart... and a shot of PAT... RON :p

Texas is next.....Fly 18 ....12,640 ft.... of fun... with a frosty scooner ..a golf cart... and a shot of PAT... RON :p



What about CENTRAL OREGON???? WHEN??

What have you found out????

I need somewhere to throw the "Match Play Championships" ;)

HURRY UP!! :D

i think THE LUNG is suffering from the same affliction the STEELERS are. 3 1000+ holes within 9 holes is awesome , good test of fairway golf. Man Up.

Reese,

I played with Bill Maury-Holmes, one of the friendliest guys I've ever met in disc golf. We had a blast out there together.

Let me ask you Reese, how many players in Southern California can throw past a flat 1100-foot hole in two throws? Maybe yourself and a dozen or so others?

When most public course are pitch-n-putt, just having 600-850 foot holes is already a good test of fairway golf. And there is a notable difference between a very user friendly par 64-66 layout of around 9000 feet, and a 12,500-ft. par 71 with silly wide open 1075-ft. holes.

This isn't about "man-ing up" - this is about making a sound business decision. And all the feedback I've heard is the same - you can basically gear your courses towards yourself and a handful of other elite players and watch these courses fail, or you can gear your courses towards the enjoyment of the majority of disc golfers and watch your business thrive and prosper. The choice is yours.

I think that disc golf courses on ball golf courses are an excellent idea in areas of the country where land and public park space is at a minimum. There�s certainly something to be said for being able to play disc golf on watered, manicured green grass, instead of scrub desert terrain. At its worst, a Fly18 course in California or Texas is probably going to be better than the nicest public park in those states. However, I doubt that this type of business venture is going to be successful in other areas of the country, where our state park & city park courses are actually amazingly nice. Very few people are going to pay the greens fees and cart fees to play on a ball golf course when the local public course is just as good if not better. I should also mention that a foursome or fivesome of disc golfers is going to play MUCH faster than a twosome of ball golfers. And if you�ve got a few foursomes of ball golfers in front of you, you are going to wait often unless you ask to play through. Another pet peeve at this course was the Dr. Fred baskets, with single chains that seem to deflect putts out instead of in. They also have an open top, allowing putts to fall in from above; this opens the debate over whether this is a potential design flaw that allows seemingly poor putts to make good. One final note is that I think these courses need to be set up for the proper skill level. There needs to be a set of true recreational tees for novice players, with holes that don�t exceed 500 feet in length. The course in Riverside features a set of white tees perfect for golfers rated 850-950, and set of blue tees seemingly geared for 1000-rated players or guys that can throw 475+ feet. How many of those are there in the Riverside / San Bernandino area, or even in Los Angeles? If you tear out the long blue tees and make the existing white tees the long tees, and add a new set of short tees for novice players, it�s going to go a long way to develop a disc golf community and local club in the new areas these courses are put in.[/LIST]

Almost all of these assumptions don't square with what is actually happening on disc/golf courses in the midwest. I have heard that Edgebrook is doing very well in Chicago. And, every time we have gotten baskets on Willow Brook in Byron, Michigan, we have had very positive results. Last week Willow Brook had 20 rounds in three days leading up to a tournament that was attended by 111 players. The recreational and intermediate divisions were well represented at that tournamernt even though we only play one set of tees. The course is over 13,000 feet long at par 72. When I've played Edgebrook and Indian Springs, the golfers have always been polite about letting faster play through.

There is a serious demand among players who can throw far for courses where they can throw far. There is also a strong demand among players who want to drink and drive for courses where they can drink and drive in between their drives.

One aspect I feel that has been overlooked is the FACT that Reese and Fly 18 are paving the road for the future of disc golf. Perfect example : Will Rodgers Park in OKC. The
course design was outdated, and surpassed by disc technology. The course had to be modified to accomidate the longer flying plasitc. I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that disc technology is going to advance the distances recreational players throw over time. Having said that, 1000+ ft par 5's makes perfect sense. It is almost as if disc manufacturers will have to catch up with course design. Pretty neat in my book. Look what the PGA does regularly, moving tee areas to challenge the top tier golfers in the world . Why should disc golf be any different? There will have to come a time in disc golf's history when we have to stop trying to accomidate the needs of the masses and cater to the needs of the ELITE. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later !

Thanks Reese, I cant wait to play more of your courses. I sure do miss Ideal. Ready for some more here in the Lone Star State! Bring on the par 5. Hey Lung, if you can throw @ least 300 ft, you will be walking away with an easy par. Play the course, dont get played by the course!

I would hate to imagine a rec player walking away from disc golf because it was to easy, lets keep moving forward.

Almost all of these assumptions don't square with what is actually happening on disc/golf courses in the midwest. I have heard that Edgebrook is doing very well in Chicago. And, every time we have gotten baskets on Willow Brook in Byron, Michigan, we have had very positive results. Last week Willow Brook had 20 rounds in three days leading up to a tournament that was attended by 111 players. The recreational and intermediate divisions were well represented at that tournamernt even though we only play one set of tees. The course is over 13,000 feet long at par 72. When I've played Edgebrook and Indian Springs, the golfers have always been polite about letting faster play through.

There is a serious demand among players who can throw far for courses where they can throw far.



Those aren't assumptions. That's the feedback I've received from dozens of golfers who have played Fly18 courses in southern California, Texas, and Florida. After finally playing one, I understand the sentiment and myself do concur.

Why do people always shy away from a challenge?
Pu$$ies!

geez Lee, its not so divisive. whether its frolf or bolf, having back to back par 5's is not typically a good idea. if its flat and length is all ya got, then so be it. unfortunately, that doesnt make it a good course... just the best possible course given the land.

a par 72 at 12,000 feet in length can (should?) require as many upshot discs as drivers. disc technology might make discs go farther, but a course that demands accuracy and a wide variety of shots will not be affected by technology improvements nearly as much as a long arm course.

btw, did you watch Tiger at all this year? he won without his drivers a couple times. it has nothing to do with "man-up" or whatever you call your desperate attempts to compensate. :cool:

Why do people always shy away from a challenge?
Pu$$ies!


So if someone thinks the following shot order is boring, they're a pu<font color="black">s</font>sy?

wide open drive
wide open drive
wide open drive
either a 60-100 foot run or a short up-shot and putt

wide open drive
wide open drive
wide open drive
either a 60-100 foot run or a short up-shot and putt

wide open drive
wide open drive
wide open drive
either a 60-100 foot run or a short up-shot and putt

I think riverside offers both ,hence the dual tees on every hole.Every course has its challenges and I am always thinking of the family.This is a giant, that is, what it is..Fly 18 builds courses to throw on, the discs can go further than most thought were possible.I have meet Bill before I think he is a preacher ,nice guy. After 16 courses, and over 300 baskets on golf courses, in 7 years,I am am happy to say it is working just fine.Every basket has a purpose ,fly 18 has a big one. ;)

If you like that atmosphere. I pesonally dont like playing on ball golf courses that why I play disc golf!

I'm still hoping ................someday...................Mission Trails is back in !!!!!!!

I love the Idea of a Pro Shop , Golf Carts , Full Bar , Restaurant and Clean RestRooms !!!!!!!
And Cable TV between rounds !!!!!!

For me , It's Luxury Disc Golf and it's sooooooo Fun to Impress Ball Golfers on their Home course !!!!!!!

Fly 18 Rocks !!!!! Playing the Vision since it started at a Pizza Bar in Long Beach. Yes, I remember the original concept !!!!

:D

Donny O.

What I am saying is that people are more likely to complain about what they dont like to a course designer, rather than modify their game to step up to the challenge. I guess its just easier to complain. I prefer to attempt to make myself better on the golf course! Having 2 back to back par 5's gives you the opportunity to play one, then do it again and change what did not work the first time! Its called progress. Not alot of people work for that these days. I guess that's why my player rating keeps going up. :D

What I am saying is that people are more likely to complain about what they dont like to a course designer, rather than modify their game to step up to the challenge. I guess its just easier to complain. I prefer to attempt to make myself better on the golf course! Having 2 back to back par 5's gives you the opportunity to play one, then do it again and change what did not work the first time! Its called progress. Not alot of people work for that these days. I guess that's why my player rating keeps going up. :D



Nobody is saying that they don't enjoy a challenge. Nobody is saying that disc golf on a ball golf course is a bad idea. Nobody is saying that they don't like pro par four or pro par five disc golf. Heck, I've been shouting from the rooftops about the evolution of our game past par three pitch-n-putt for years now. The question is the merit of dead straight wide open 1075-foot holes, especially two in a row, and a span of three of them in six holes. I'm all for having an interesting par five! For example, let's imagine a 850-900 ft. pro par five that plays out of the woods, requiring a tunnel shot to escape, then a second shot to a 90-degree dogleg, then a final shot of about 300 feet to a protected pin position which has obstacles to avoid before reaching the pin area. If you had one or two of these on a course, they would be the best holes of the layout.

Oh, and by the way, discboomer: your first player rating was 952 and now stands at 943. Can you really say that your "player rating keeps going up?" :o

Oh, and by the way, discboomer: your first player rating was 952 and now stands at 943. Can you really say that your "player rating keeps going up?" :o



You know good and well a rating after 2 events is not an accurate depiction of a golfers skill level. I was not playing 950 rated golf when that my first rating was posted. Those were lucky rounds on courses I know very well. Notice how my rating droped twenty something points after I got some more rounds under my belt! But now they keep going up, up and up! 1000 here I come ( someday )

You do make valid points in your last post, we just have to accept that course designers have to work with what they are given.

You do make valid points in your last post, we just have to accept that course designers have to work with what they are given.



Actually, from what I have observed, the design of these courses is intentional. They are made to cater to a handful of 1000-rated players and / or people that can throw 500 feet or more, which includes the course designer.

The feedback has been that the majority of disc golfers find that a layout with numerous long, wide open holes is tedious and not worthy of regular play. It is therefore obviously not a very successful business model to continue to design them such, and I predict more of these will fail and be pulled from the golf courses, than remain permanent.

I can not speak for the numerous others in the country, but when IDEAL RANCH was in the ground, all the big holes had obstacles to navigate. There was 1 hole that comes to mind that was wide open. And it was a par 3 . Fortunately that property was smothered in oak trees, making it fun for all.
Did the big arms have the advantage? Of course, they usually do, but I still have yet to see somebody outdrive ( air shot ) my longest roller! It all levels out! I would like to play riverside next time I am on the left coast.