Got any Info for this one dayer in Burlington?

Anybody? Layout? Entry Fee?
I'm trying to decide if its worth coming back from the beach a day early

One dayer's are rarely worth it anyway. Stay at the beach and look at some skin! :DSee you in Zeb.

B THERE OR B A MULLET

I'll take option B.

Snoop's got that dialed in. Stay at the beach, you have your whole life to play 1 day C-tiers, unless it's at Indless greens right near the beach, say sometime in September?

Sound good to anyone?

Snoop's got that dialed in. Stay at the beach, you have your whole life to play 1 day C-tiers, unless it's at Indless greens right near the beach, say sometime in September?

Sound good to anyone?

B ut it's a B tier

[/QUOTE]B ut it's a B tier

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A B-tier which no one has yet replied to your original post... :o

No love.....I dont know if they want anybody to go to their event.

Maybe they simply don't want you there... :o

It wouldn't be a one day B-tier if someone hadn't submitted the paperwork to sanction the NC State Games.

Sounds like some folks are choosing the B(each)-tier instead...

It wouldn't be a one day B-tier if someone hadn't submitted the paperwork to sanction the NC State Games.



exactly

It wouldn't be a one day B-tier if someone hadn't submitted the paperwork to sanction the NC State Games.



exactly



A couple of points to play Devils advocate:

1. Early bird gets the worm.

2. Choose another weekend.

3. Have a two day pro/ one day Am.

4. Have two seperate weekends.

5. Pro only.

I don't see anything wrong with the state games being sanctioned.

With as many courses going up we will run out of weekends at some point. I hope that it does not cause friction between clubs and courses.

Just my two cents.

It wouldn't be a one day B-tier if someone hadn't submitted the paperwork to sanction the NC State Games.



exactly



A couple of points to play Devils advocate:

1. Early bird gets the worm.

2. Choose another weekend.

3. Have a two day pro/ one day Am.

4. Have two seperate weekends.

5. Pro only.

I don't see anything wrong with the state games being sanctioned.

With as many courses going up we will run out of weekends at some point. I hope that it does not cause friction between clubs and courses.

Just my two cents.



6. Alan was not contacted about this event.

7. It is listed as a pro - am, which, it obviously is not. What if a pro from another state is just passing through town and knows nothing about this tournamet and sees theres a tournament in Raleigh - well he makes plans and goes out there only to find out he can't play.

8. It's not like Burlington is a new event. This weekend has always been thier weekend.

Has any info been leaked about this event yet?

I am assuming we are going to have to go low tech for info on this one Mike's phone number is listed on the tourny page someone call him.

Jackie, they're all just scared of you. That's why they're telling you to stay at the beach, they want a chance!
Though the beach does have some fine tail...

emerald isle has more trailers than condo's lets play some golf here is the info for everyone

Pro's play Saturday 2 rounds
Open men $46
Open Master & Women $36

Layout will be Ceader Rock (open course)
Long Pads Short Basket's
Wellsprings (Wooded Course)
Long Pads

Am's Sunday 2 rounds
Advanced Men $36
Intermediate $26
Rec. Jr.'s Women $18

Layout
advanced men same as pro
all other amatuer divisions
short pads short pins on both courses

Players Meeting will be a 9:30 tee off at 10:00
if you want to prereg make checks payable to
Mike Grasse
mail to
6216 Ledbetter #1
Climax, N.C. 27233

Mike is encouraging everyone to register early on saturday i am not sure if anything or anyone will be at the course on friday. you now have all the info i have and anything else you need to know would be answered by calling mike. he does not have a computer so a phone call will be the best way to get er done. hope to see everyone there for my first pro event thats right DG is playing Pro (& Am. if i am leaving the beach i will be playing both days for sure)

wow that is the biggest post ever for me :D

Proper TD etiquette would be for the TD of the NC State Games to contact the TD for the Alamance event and ask if he could sanction his event on the weekend that Alamance had last year.

Considering the TD involved I can understand why he didn't even think of it.

I can see no advantage to sanctioning the State Games. Please try to convince me otherwise.

Kirk

to give more loot to the pdja..

Proper TD etiquette would be for the TD of the NC State Games to contact the TD for the Alamance event and ask if he could sanction his event on the weekend that Alamance had last year.

Considering the TD involved I can understand why he didn't even think of it.

I can see no advantage to sanctioning the State Games. Please try to convince me otherwise.

Kirk



this may sound like a total kiss @$$ statement, but kirk is making a very valid point as he ussually does. He has forgotten more about tournaments and how they work than most people know.

When he says something it's not to hear his own voice or read his own words, it's b/c he is right!

It wouldn't be a one day B-tier if someone hadn't submitted the paperwork to sanction the NC State Games.



exactly



A couple of points to play Devils advocate:

1. Early bird gets the worm.

2. Choose another weekend.

3. Have a two day pro/ one day Am.

4. Have two seperate weekends.

5. Pro only.

I don't see anything wrong with the state games being sanctioned.

With as many courses going up we will run out of weekends at some point. I hope that it does not cause friction between clubs and courses.

Just my two cents.



6. Alan was not contacted about this event.

<font color="blue"> </font> This is a problem with the system then.It clearly says in the tour cover letter, "Note that all B, C and D-tier td's must consult with the SC in setting thier event dates.

7. It is listed as a pro - am, which, it obviously is not. What if a pro from another state is just passing through town and knows nothing about this tournamet and sees theres a tournament in Raleigh - well he makes plans and goes out there only to find out he can't play.

<font color="blue"> </font> Agreed, but is this the Td's fault or a typo by the pdga?

8. It's not like Burlington is a new event. This weekend has always been thier weekend.

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<font color="blue"> </font> Burlington is not a new event but the weekend has not always been theres. The first pro-am was in May, I remember because it was my first PDGA ace and Elon had graduation the same weekend. From 2001-2004 this event was in Jul.

Proper TD etiquette would be for the TD of the NC State Games to contact the TD for the Alamance event and ask if he could sanction his event on the weekend that Alamance had last year.

Considering the TD involved I can understand why he didn't even think of it.

I can see no advantage to sanctioning the State Games. Please try to convince me otherwise.

Kirk



this may sound like a total kiss @$$ statement, but kirk is making a very valid point as he ussually does. He has forgotten more about tournaments and how they work than most people know.

When he says something it's not to hear his own voice or read his own words, it's b/c he is right!



Agreed on Kirks knowledge. And you know that I am having healthy discussion on the subject.

Kirk, I would not try to change your mind. But I like the fact that ams are playing for 3 medals and thats all.

Kirk, I disagree with you somewhat on td's contacting other tds. While i see it as a polite gesture i do not see it as a must.

Should it not be the job of the SC to look at situations like this?
I believe that any previous event should have first dibs on the weekend but there must be some sort of cut off date(an early one at that.)If the past event has not reserved the date then that date should be available to all.

Kirk (and MTL) you know respect both of you and look forward to your response.

Travis,

I feel that you are correct. While there is no rule about reserving a weekend from yaer to year or contacting other TD's, it would be considerate.

You know the fact the state games are sanctioned I have no problem with. The fact that it is listed as a pro am and that Alan was not contacted about it is what I have a problem with.

IT is things like this and the Yadkin Open last year why events like Horizons this year will never have good attendance again with Todd running them. That is not a personal attack towards him, just the truth.

As Robert said...the State Coordinator was not contacted about the date in question.

Like I said TD etiquette. It should be a must. We are a small community. We all know each other here in NC. This type of thing does not help the reputation of the TD in question.

You still have not given me any reason why the State Games should be sanctioned.

Why is the State Games still listed as a Pro-Am event?

Kirk

I wouldn't enter into an arguement with Kirk, especially about disc golf rules and TDing issues, he's one of the best we have. I would suggest giving up on this one.

Thanks for the Kudos Will!!!

I wouldn't enter into an arguement with Kirk, especially about disc golf rules and TDing issues, he's one of the best we have. I would suggest giving up on this one.



Will, I am not trying to "win" anything so there is nothing to give up.

you are all MULLETS

Look who's talking!!!

As Robert said...the State Coordinator was not contacted about the date in question.

Like I said TD etiquette. It should be a must. We are a small community. We all know each other here in NC. This type of thing does not help the reputation of the TD in question.

You still have not given me any reason why the State Games should be sanctioned.

Why is the State Games still listed as a Pro-Am event?

Kirk



Kirk like I said i am not trying to change your mind.

The only point I am trying to make is that the system is flawed. If you can get a event without talking to the SC then there is an issue.

An easy fix would be for the PDGA require an Actual approval from the SC before sactioning.

Maybe when you win election we can work together along with Alan and MTL to resolve this. I did vote for ya :)

I agree with you it should be required.

As far as I can tell this is the only TD in NC that hasn't bothered to consult anyone else before scheduling his event.

He still hasn't asked the PDGA to have the event listed as AM only.

Considering his track record in other areas I can understand how this happened.

I'd like to argue with Kirk, then again, I just like to argue. I majored in arguing and bs.

Mitch,

Don't bother. I only argue when I am right. Make your life easier and agree with me.

If change my mind and I agree with you then that would make both of us wrong!!!

Kirk

Robert,
You may want to go back and review the Yadkin thread regarding your claims here. As I see it, you acted like a donkeyhole, and not only distracted your card by having a temper tantrum, but also mine and two other pro cards. Hence the "Walking Courtesy Violation" title you own. If it is not personal, don't refer to his name or tournament. BTW, most people I know skipped Horizons to go to an invitational party/tournament. You weren't at the invitational. Why?

Craig,

I know of at least a dozen Pros that will not play an event run by Todd.

The Horizons "switch the payout" after it was posted is the stuff of legend.

Kirk

Are you talking about Horizons or Yadkin? Either way, I know nothing about the payout. Just sick of hearing the same people beech and moan all the time. Besides, Robert is ALWAYS right anyway.

Craig,

I was just giving you one example of the kinds of things that happen at every one of his events.

Those that refuse to learn from their own mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Or worse.

Kirk

Is it wrong of me and others to have enjoyed the Yadkin Open? Free of controversy? Free of negativity? Free of scandal? That is how I experienced it.

If the problem does lie with a TD in NC, who is responsible for covering the expectations/needs of the PDGA with him to avoid further problems or loss of a TD or event? Or is the goal to just slander them, and let nature take it's course? Just looking for some clarity and consistency.

And stop changing my header. You know Robert is going to eat this up! :D

Is it wrong of me and others to have enjoyed the Yadkin Open? Free of controversy? Free of negativity? Free of scandal? That is how I experienced it.

If the problem does lie with a TD in NC, who is responsible for covering the expectations/needs of the PDGA with him to avoid further problems or loss of a TD or event? Or is the goal to just slander them, and let nature take it's course? Just looking for some clarity and consistency.

And stop changing my header. You know Robert is going to eat this up! :D



I'm not eating this up, I'm simply laughing that at your complete ignorance towards stuff that goes on during tournaments - and you play tournaments!

So before you come on here and make yourself look ignorant again, I would suggest that you get your facts straight. I have said that I was a joy to play with or that I don't get a little heated about stuff on a course, but I will always claim to be a volunteer, an asset to both the sport and tournaments, and most importantly, someone who doesn't sit quietly when something needs to be voiced.

The saddest part of the YO was the constant bit ching I heard from everyone (myself included) the entire second round about that payout and everything, and myself and Mitch were the only people with balls enough to complain about it. And I thought this game was played by men.

If the problem does lie with a TD in NC, who is responsible for covering the expectations/needs of the PDGA with him to avoid further problems or loss of a TD or event?




And by the way, the PDGA was contacted by me after the Yadkin Open. And before you go and attacking me, why don't you do a little research. I've got a big head and even bigger memory so I don't need to go back and remember what I said, it is infact you that needs to do this.

In my post that started all the YO stuff, I roughly stated "that I loved the course and always appreicate people willing to run a tournament" Then I started about changing a payout. Maybe if you had a CLUE what you were talking about you would realize that playing for 5 dollars is an insult towards professionals and then changing the payout b/c splitting 5 bux three ways might look bad is even worse. Once you get it out of your head all your negative thoughts about me and used that are of your brain which should be free now, maybe you would realize that that complaint is legit and it in no way says anything bad about the Yadkinville people, the course, of the joy I have playing there.

It's all in print. Go read the thread or stop posting.

You sound offended Robert. What was it that offended you? If something does not concern me, and I choose not to allow it to concern or bother me, does that make me ignorant? Or are you implying that the only reason to be a member and play PDGA events is to win money, not to enjoy the sport or comeraderie? Or could one interpret ignorance as the person who takes out their bad feelings (You) on INNOCENT people (anyone who has to witness an MTL tantrum, on and off the course), who play the game because they love the game, not controversy and holier than thou beliefs. No reply needed, I just wanted to be clear, rather than just open up my pie hole and beech.

GO CANES!

is this what they refer to as thread drift?

Craig,

What I posted wasn't slander. It was the truth.

Todd may be well intentioned but good intentions don't make for a well run event.

If you play in the State Games please ask him:

Why is it (still) listed as a Pro-Am event?
Why is it sanctioned?
Why he didn't consult with the Burlington club about the weekend that they had used last year?
Did he even look at last years schedule to make a determination about the weekend he wanted this year?
Why didn't he contact the NC coordinator about the weekend he wanted?

With the number of events that you play (not to mentionn your career field) I find it hard to believe that you can't see a pattern of behavior with the events that he runs.

Kirk

Sorry Dave. I'm not playing next weekend, so I hereby ban myself from this thread. Audi. ;)

Kirk, shouldn't the guys that have a problem with him/his events talk with him, or maybe the state coordinator as a representative from the people, ask him those questions? I will not be there, nor am I defending him. I'm defending my right to enjoy an event that he ran, at a great disc golf course. If the tourney goes away, I'll be dissapointed. I also highly doubt Todd reads this board, and think it is a shame he cannot defend himself.

well, sorry, you are getting a reply.

If you think I play for moeny, then you might want to check your records and facts, ONCE AGAIN. Last year, I won 848 dollars in 27 events as a pro, which averages to 31 dollars an event won. Not counting gas money, tournaments I stayed in hotels and misc other expenses, I still lost money from entry fees alone. I play disc golf b/c it is my favorite thing to do. I'm addicted to it. I play tournaments b/c I love the people, I love the stories, and I love competition.
While I'm certainly not the model for the mental aspect of the game or anything like that nor have I ever claimed to be, I certainly try to a positive force in this sport - a sport I've been invovled in since I was 9. I feel that I am one of the more knowledgeable people (obviously know where near the level of a Kirk Beave or Carl) about good tournaments and bad tournaments. If someone runs a bad tournament and he is not told it is a bad tournament, then how is that good for the sport? People need to be recoginized of thier flaws as much as they are praised. There are way to many people who care way to much that if they bring up something that they don't agree with that someone may not like them. I couldn't give two flying flips what anyone thinks of me. So if you have a problem with me, then don't go to PDGA tournaments. The only way I will ever stop playing them is if I am suspended by the PDGA or bad tournaments (like the YO) are run. So maybe you should step up and run a bad tournament and then you wouldn't see me there at it next year. Of course, you wouldn't see many others either, b/c as I said, I know what a good and bad tournament is. Do you think it is a coincendence that I complained about Todd's tournament and the next run he runs had one of the lowest pro tournouts that this state has seen in quite some while? Geez - I must know what I'm talking about.

Sorry Dave. I'm not playing next weekend, so I hereby ban myself from this thread. Audi. ;)

Kirk, shouldn't the guys that have a problem with him/his events talk with him, or maybe the state coordinator as a representative from the people, ask him those questions? I will not be there, nor am I defending him. I'm defending my right to enjoy an event that he ran, at a great disc golf course. If the tourney goes away, I'll be dissapointed. I also highly doubt Todd reads this board, and think it is a shame he cannot defend himself.




He found out about my comments about the YO and he emialed me talking about them and asked what the problem was. I responded with "what do you think"

Craig,

I have attempted to encourage Todd to improve his event skills so many times that I have lost track of all of them. For years I defended his actions to other players. I finally had to admit I was wrong and change my stance where he and his events were concerned.

I have now gone the way of many other Pros and just refuse to play events that he runs.

I would love to hear his justification for his actions concerning this years State Games. So far no one has given me any reason why the State Games should be sanctioned. And there is no way he can justify it being listed as a Pro-Am when he has been contacted numerous times to have it changed.

Kirk

Can you bring me some Surge's (ESP) and Buzz's. Can't get certain plastic here in the QC unless I run into my "friends of the angry clown". :D

Craig,

I will have plenty of both with me.

Kirk

Craig,

I will be at Reedy tomorrow with plenty of Discraft plastic.

Kirk

Why cant we all just get along.....?

you know east side west side

No sides, uniTTy. I'll see you at Reedy in a few hours. Safe Passage my brutha. Namaste. Freebird in the background. :D

http://www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg

who is going to this

*raises hand*

7 strokes

7 strokes



we need to make it a half so there can't be a tie.

6 1/2

6 1/2



sounds good

it is on like Hair in a Biscuit

Results
Cracken shoots a course record on the LOng pad to short baskets.
20 holes course on the outside course.

Cracken 45 47
Schweb 49 44
LL 50 49
1 f 2 N's 53 47
Clee 56 46
Grasse 54 48 1st Pro cash
P wilson 58 45
MonTanya 55 48 1st Pro cash
Tivvle 51 52
Berd 58 47

Congrats to the New Pro's

Thanks big Schwey, I think Grasse went 55- 47. Mike Grasse thanks for the tournament and being fun to play with. Mcree's -15 is criminal, he should be locked up for shooting so **** well!

Thanks big Schwey, I think Grasse went 55- 47. Mike Grasse thanks for the tournament and being fun to play with. Mcree's -15 is criminal, he should be locked up for shooting so **** well!

You're Welcome Carter, it has been great having you here in da Cackalack. Your game is fixin to skyrocket playin in da Pro Division.

Results
LOng pad to short baskets.
20 holes course on the outside course.

Cracken 45




Since the 20 holes are par 60 that means that Cracken shot -15! That's some fine shooting from the long (Red) tees!!

Results
LOng pad to short baskets.
20 holes course on the outside course.

Cracken 45
Schweb 44
P wilson 45




Since the 20 holes are par 60 that means that these 3 guys shot:
Cracken -15
Schweb -16
P wilson -15.
That's some fine shooting from the long (Red) tees!!



actually the second round scores are from in the woods which is only 18 holes.

Thanks to Grasse for stepping up and running a tournament and congrats to him and Carter for cashing for the first time - welcome to the big dogs!

I got to witness Cracken's -15 this morning - probably the most overall solid round I've ever seen. He birdies his first 6 holes, then missed an easy putt and like a 40 footer on back to back holes. He then got two in a row, and threw a bad drive on hole 2. Based on the fact he had missed some putts and threw a bad drive on 2, I thought he cooled off. He then birdies 3-7 9 and 10. Amazing round to watch. I shot good (-9) and he was on a total different level than I was.

Scores are in my laptop. The PDGA sent Mike the wrong password. As soon as I recieve the password from the PDGA, the scores will be up.

worst golf EVER!

should have stayed home and watched the world cup /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

what happened on the am day?

You didn't show up to do scores, that's what happened! :D

well not like it matters, we don't have a password.

let's see if my memeory is any good
1 Patrick 50 51
2 Scarlett 52 50
3 not sure
4 DP 55 ?
5 not sure
6 Christian Coursey 57 49
7 not sure
8 not sure
9 DG / Scott Crouch DG 54 55 SC 57 52

Yeah i fell from 3rd to 9th in an inplosion in the woods. i hate playing in the rain

Just got the TD password from the PDGA. When I get home from work, the scores will be up (around 5:30ish)

Am Results are up, but the course set ups are wrong (I'm pretty sure). Adv played long pads and everyone else played short pads I believe. The way it is set up looks like everyone played the same layout. This affects the ratings. It looks like par is off too (should be par 60 for round one at Cedarrock and par 54 for round 2 at Wellspring).

I am curious to see how McRee's -15 ends up being rated (my guess is 1060-1070).

my guess 1072

5 pars man it was unreal. it was worth every penny of donation just to be there and watch how it is done. man he roc'd that course to def.

my guess 1072



good guess :)

I missed my first 1000 rated round ever by 3 stinking points. If only player A could straddle putt! Player B does fine, but A's muscle memory must not be too good. Oh well....997 is still my best official round.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5993&year=2006&includeRatings=1#Open

scores are up

I fixed the ratings for the ams. I'm not sure who played when what, but I'm asuming based on the scores....

1st round - adv played long woods course, everyone else played short woods course.

2nd round - adv played long open course, everyone else played short open course

if this is correct, the ratings are correct and have been fixed. If not, then someone let me knwo and I will fix them

I fixed the ratings for the ams. I'm not sure who played when what, but I'm asuming based on the scores....

1st round - adv played long woods course, everyone else played short woods course.

2nd round - adv played long open course, everyone else played short open course

if this is correct, the ratings are correct and have been fixed. If not, then someone let me knwo and I will fix them



Robert
Advanced played open course 1st
wooded 2nd

great Signature Tivvle

Ratings are correct.

those are some low ratings for teh INTs first round

I have a feeling the afternoon rounds will be rated higher when the official ratings are posted because of the rain.

TTru

I hope this fine turnout of Int. Ams a the Alamance Shootout causes the TD for to reconsider the elimination of that division during the Sneeky Pete.

I think that the advanced masters and the intermediates are grouped together into one division

I thought that they paid seperately

Hey man, I showed up to the Great 8 and shot a 38 on the open course (as the 8th round of the day)...that's gotta count for something. Might beat a 1072 :-D Good shooting Crackin!

A 38? That would be two strokes better than perfect in my calculations. If par is 60 in the open, then 38 has to be the course record in any setup. My guess is that it was a typo or you didn't play the three open holes in the back. Nevertheless, 38 is very hot without playing the the field holes.

Oops, my bad, we only played 18 holes. Sorry.

Oops, my bad, we only played 18 holes. Sorry.



We skipped 8 and 9 to make a standard 18 hole course.

(I know that having 20 holes allows more players in tournaments, but IMHO it's kind of odd. To compare scores you always have to qualify it and explain and there is confusion such as above.)

If you want to play Wellspring and Cedarock again come on out to the Great 8 next Sat 7/8. (They'll only be your 7th and 8th rounds of the day :D) Pre-registration is reqired and essential to help you prepare. Contact Jay Pontier at jay.pontier@gmail.com (or me if you just can't reach Jay).

Schweb and Jack Smalls,

Have you ever thought of playing the Great 8? It's a blast!

Also, to anyone out there- we've got a new player who is gung ho on the sport who needs a partner for doubles at the Great 8. The only course he's played is Kentwood, but he's got lots of natural ability, and he can already throw pretty far. Please contact Jay Pontier if you're interested.