One common problem through out the disc golf community has always been POISON IVY.......

What are disc golfers best solutions for this problem?

What do YOU think?

Carry a bottle of Round-Up. When you land in it, spray it. You just need to spray one leaf to kill a small plant.

Was curious more about the treatment of poison ivy, after you are infected.

Was curious more about the treatment of poison ivy, after you are infected.



There is some blocker you can get, effectiveness is marginal in my estimation.

Once you've gotten the oil on your skin, you have a few hours to remove it to lessen the effects. There is some stuff available that's basically mineral sprits and lotion. Some people use alcohol/windshield washing fluid. You need to make sure you remove the oil, not simply spread it around on your skin. You can't see it or feel it, so you gotta be thorough.

For sure you should take a shower and lather-up well as soon as you can. That will help to get any remaining oil off your skin.

If you start to get a rash, you can put calamine lotion or benadryl gel on it, and take the benedryl/antihistamine tablets. It'll help a little for the itching (a histamine reaction), but plan on being bothered by it for about 2 weeks.

I say we get a world eradication program going. That stuff is EVIL!

You are not kidding. I have what is called a " stymic? "
reaction to it. Basically, it travels to my boold very fast, and spreads to areas of past irritation. Not fun at all. I have found astringents that burn it out of your skin, those can be effective. But, I would like to hear what the world has to say about the topic. You never know when you are going to find a backwoods remedy that works miracles. Goat urine and bisquick perhaps?

hot shower ASAP to wash off the oil than caldryl during the day and benadryl at bedtime.

Basically, it travels to my boold very fast...



If people use alcohol to clean it off their skin, maybe you can flush it with a bottle of your favorite whiskey/rum/vodka??

It's worth a try! ;) :D

Was curious more about the treatment of poison ivy, after you are infected.

Everybody wants a better bandaid. No one wants a solution.

TecNU. It's designed to remove poison Ivy oils from your skin and clothing AFTER it gets on you, and BEFORE it rashes.

I was tromping through some of the densest poison ivy I've seen, scouting out a new course at a park in Concord, NC, the first day I was stupid. I wore shorts. The second day I was smart and wore loong pants and a long sleeve shirt.

On the way home I stopped at CVS and bought 2 packs that had CalaGel and a 2 oz bottle of Tecnu. Basically, one for home, one for the car. I already had poison ivy from 10 days prior, and my legs were very scratched up from prickers. As I write this (2 days later) no symptoms. I went home, used the TecNu on all the exposed and touched body parts, then took a cool shower (prevents your pores from opening).

This is the best preventative measure. At least that I have found.

And the CalaGel is great on already itchy stuff. and doesn't look like peeling pale milky skin. It's clear.

TecNU...



Oh yeah, that's the name of the stuff that's basically mineral sprits and lotion.

One common problem through out the disc golf community has always been POISON IVY.......

What are disc golfers best solutions for this problem?

What do YOU think?




Brush fire. Simple, effective in clearing the entire course of ivy.

FYI-
Anybody that tells you that hot water ( really hot water )
can burn it out deserves to be punched in the head. It feels really good, but so does scratching untill you bleed!
Some might say that keeping your disc out of the ivy is the best solution............ They could use a punch in the head also!

Nice hot shower and wash it till it bleads. No more iching!!!

If I get it real bad, I got to the doctor and get those steroids that knock it out in a few days.

Actually, trying to burn ivy to get rid of it is dangerous. If you or someone else breathes in the smoke, which will contain droplets of the oil, the resulting allergic reaction in your airways and lungs can be result in an emergency situation. It can also cause eye irritation. Burning is not recommended as a way to eradicate ivy.

[QUOTE]
Nice hot shower and wash it till it bleads. No more iching!!![QUOTE ] OH I DISAGREE! That is how the ivy get's in your blood, and travels else where. I once had that stuff on my " JUNK " .
If I were to get the oil's in my blood, It comes right back to where you have had it before! I never want to do that again! EVER!

NEVER EVER AGAIN!
NEVER

My wife thought it was sooooo funny, she refers to it as " PENIS IVY " .

Nice hot shower and wash it till it bleads. No more iching!!!

If I get it real bad, I got to the doctor and get those steroids that knock it out in a few days.



COLD COLD COLD shower, not hot!

Nice hot shower and wash it till it bleads. No more iching!!!

If I get it real bad, I got to the doctor and get those steroids that knock it out in a few days.



COLD COLD COLD shower, not hot!

Nice hot shower and wash it till it bleads. No more iching!!!

If I get it real bad, I got to the doctor and get those steroids that knock it out in a few days.



COLD COLD COLD shower, not hot!

hey, you said what works for me :D


Actually, I do always finish a shower in cold water to stop the itching.

I have not had a bad break out in a few years. Usually just a few small spots here and there, those I alwasy scrub raw. They are usually around my ankles.

I hate it when I get it on my face.

One time I played the Collonial Estates tournament in December many years ago, My ears were itching on my drive home, at the time I didn't realize that it was poison Ivy.

The next day both ears were swolen and my eyes were buffy.

On Tusday, I had to go to the clicnic at North Texas because I could barely see, my eyes were almost swolen shut.

December, and I got poison ivy from vines on trees. I have never touched them again sence.

Hard to find ivy out in Carrollton huh?
That is definately one of the advantages to Green Belt.
Could not say the same for Jimmy Porter .
Really looking forward to the Mr. Jims open!

TECNU is definitely the best prevention if you use it within the first few hours of contact. If you're too late to prevent the best stuff I've found is Zanfel. It will dry up the spots and relieve some itching. The only draw back is it costs about $40 for a 1 oz. tube. It does actually go a long way, but $40 is $40. If Zanfel can't help the only recourse is the old shot in the butt. :(

I grew up in ivy areas. Thought it was bad until I moved to CA and discovered the joy of having oak on me all year round. Our local course has the most oak I've ever seen. Large 10+ ft bushes, vines in the trees, new growth in the grass....its tough.

Nowadays, if I get ivy....its nothing. I can just let it live on me with no treatment. Oak can be like this....but it can also blister. Thats when its fun. I'd love to hear someone's comments on summac. One day, maybe I can get the trifecta going...ivy,oak,summac.

My suggestion:
tecnu� Poison Oak-n-Ivy Cleanser, 32-oz. Bottle $15.40
http://www.benmeadows.com/search/default.htm?Ntk=LSSSearch&image1.y=0&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchpartialmax&Ntt=poison&N=539+4294947803&image1.x=0&dept_id=11825

I've also heard about people exposing themselves to ivy/oak early in life and building up a resistance. They are a few products that do this by having you take a small amount on ivy/oak orally.

I'd suggest not taking the steriod shot if you can help it.

One quick suggestion that will help to REDUCE the oil. Carry a packet of baby whipes with you. Once you get in the poison ivy, if you wipe your hands, arms and legs immediately, it will reduce the effects and sometimes remove the oil all together. Baby wipes include agents for cutting oils and they can be purchased in small containers.

Once you have it break out there are several prescription steriods that can knock it out in hours.

I've also heard about people exposing themselves to ivy/oak early in life and building up a resistance. They are a few products that do this by having you take a small amount on ivy/oak orally.




This doesn't work. I was able to walk through fields of ivy when I was a kid and I would rarely get a rash. Now I do if I brush up against it and don't get it cleaned off, and I've gotten it every year for about 10 yrs now, usually when trail riding on the mountain bike. I've heard others say the same thing.

I'd suggest not taking the steriod shot if you can help it.


I use a form of steroid cream that has knocked out my poison ivy in a matter of days. I get ivy twice a year usually and have found the steroid cream to be the best remedy for it. It is probably a pretty expensive presciption but thankfully I get it for free. Thanks to Dad the Doc. :D

Actually, trying to burn ivy to get rid of it is dangerous. If you or someone else breathes in the smoke, which will contain droplets of the oil, the resulting allergic reaction in your airways and lungs can be result in an emergency situation. It can also cause eye irritation. Burning is not recommended as a way to eradicate ivy.



This is very seriously true. Never burn poison ivy. You can hurt so many people with the smoke and they won't have any warning or recourse.

Best thing is to use Ortho Brush Killer. It kills poison ivy very well if you douse the plant with it thoroughly. You may have to come back and spray again, but I have had good success with it on my property.

Ivy Block and TechNu are good as well, but an even better prevention is to learn to identify it and avoid it. "Leaves of three, let it be" is the saying. Learn not to confuse it with other stuff and you should be good to go.

if it's a bad case of PI, the thing that works best is a scrip for prednisone.

the doc will tell you to finish taking however much is prescribed, but they usually prescribe loads more than is really necessary. take it per the doc's orders, then stop when it starts to dry up (2-3 days). save the rest for your next case of PI. my third case of PI is on the mend from the same scrip from last year (and i think i have enough left for 2-3 more cases).

it works everytime.

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Actually, trying to burn ivy to get rid of it is dangerous. If you or someone else breathes in the smoke, which will contain droplets of the oil, the resulting allergic reaction in your airways and lungs can be result in an emergency situation. It can also cause eye irritation. Burning is not recommended as a way to eradicate ivy.



This is very seriously true. Never burn poison ivy. You can hurt so many people with the smoke and they won't have any warning or recourse.

Best thing is to use Ortho Brush Killer. It kills poison ivy very well if you douse the plant with it thoroughly. You may have to come back and spray again, but I have had good success with it on my property.

Ivy Block and TechNu are good as well, but an even better prevention is to learn to identify it and avoid it. "Leaves of three, let it be" is the saying. Learn not to confuse it with other stuff and you should be good to go.



Ortho Brush Killer ................I'll check it out.

please dont burn!!!!!! ive been hospitalized as a result of being downwind. check out this topic under equipment thread. look for dryer sheets and poison ivy. ;) ;) ;)

Jewel weed (the sap from inside it) is the indigenous remedy. Not exactly what the pharmaceutical company stock-holders prefer you use, but ...

obviously an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... i just read an article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060529/ap_on_sc/poison_ivy_2) that said global warming is making poison ivy proliferate and become even itchier -- urushiol oil is the agent inside poison ivy which causes the allergic reaction. i think you have about an half hour to wash it off -- till then everything you touch spreads the oil. after that the oil bonds to where it touched your skin and won't wash off or spread further (than it already has). it can take up to 48 hours to blister and itch after initial contact... i believe i also read that unwashed clothes, disc golf bags, quad shocks, etc. can retain the oil for up to a year :eek: (i guess it only bonds to skin)

Jewel weed (the sap from inside it) is the indigenous remedy.



here is a link to Jewel Weed products , may the evil ivy leave your life forever!
http://store.altnature.com/poivre.html

I hopes this helps somebody!

Hey JuJu, lend some of that stuff to TG. He got it real bad in IOWA playing at Big Creek. I guess the course was really rough and full of it.

here is a link to a site with great info about Poison Ivy (remedies, myths, facts, etc) -> Info about Poison Ivy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urushiol-induced_contact_dermatitis)

Poison Ivy grows like grass down here in South Texas!! I've tried everything on the market. The best cures I've found are 1:Technu, 2:Zanfel(Walmart has a 1 oz. tube for $25) and 3:Domeboro(Sold at Walgreens,CVS etc.. This is a powder that you dissolve in warm water, then take a wash cloth and dip it in the solution. Place the soaked washcloth on effected area for 10-15 minutes. Do this once or twice each day for 2 days and wha-la gone!! This stuff works great on Ivy,Oak and Sumac. The only thing I've found that works great on all poison, itchy stuff.And it's only about $8 for about 12 treatments. I highly suggest Domeboro for any oil infested itches. It dries the skin to a leathery form, removing ALL oils from the skin.

Then we can turn you into luggage when you die.

Zanfel.com Read about the urishul (sp)?
That stuff works great. CVS also carries it.

I highly suggest Domeboro for any oil infested itches. It dries the skin to a leathery form, removing ALL oils from the skin.


Domeboro is also a fine product, but I must warn you......
The stuff is very pungent, comes close to burning nose hairs out of your head! It is an astringent, so avoid those open ivy wounds, or you will regret it! Technu works just as well, with less odor and pain. It is critical to follow the directions for it to work, you must rub it in for at least 2 minutes ( it feels really good ) and it smells like the soap they use at the tatoo studio!

There is some good info here. I have used the Tecnu and the Zanfel, but the only thing that has really worked for me (besides the Prednisone) are some pills that you can take to prevent poison ivy. You can also take them after breaking out to get rid of it. You take two in the morning and 2 in the evening for 1 week and then repeat this process once a month. I have been in poison ivy at least a dozen times this year and have not had a single outbreak. Here is a link to the website. http://www.homeopathyworks.com/product.php?xProd=8728
they will cost you about $15 a bottle after shipping. Well worth it.

Hot Water
My husband and children are all very prone to poison ivy. We always ended up at the doctor's office for a shot until we found this cure. Put the affected part of the body under the sink faucet or stand in the shower and run warm water over it. Slowly cut out the cold water until you are running water as hot as you can stand. You will begin to feel prickles. Do this as often as it itches. It will clear up within a matter of days and you will need no more creams etc. Many of our friends use this method. It works!

Hot Water
My husband and children



Jeremy? something you have not been telling us??? :D

I just dug this thread up b/c I finally found the cure to poison ivy (for me at least).

I finally bought some Technu and the stuff works if you use it right. Run hot water over the rash for about 2 minutes (this feels fantastic), then use a pomus stone(guys, your wife/girlfriend probably has something like this at home for her feet...it's fairly rough so it will break the blisters with out scarring up your skin). Use the pomus stone lightly for about a minute (this also feels great). Once you're done, apply a small amount of the Technu to the rash and rub for 15 seconds. Rinse with cold water and you'll be done with the itch (and the rash). For bad cases, you might have to repeat this the following day.

I'm psyched up for my first case of poison ivy (http://www.poison-ivy.org/rash/rash-1.htm) this year. YEAH!

For anyone who was at the WVO in '04, they'll remember how bad I get poison ivy. So I know a thing or two.

Before, go with Tecnu, it works - BUT only if you use it immediately after (like usually before the round is done).

After, there's this stuff called IvyDry - in a spray-bottle. It dries out everything (including surrounding skin) and it stings, but it gets it gone in a few days.

Guys, I am crazy-allergic to Poison Ivy and I have found that this stuff works wonders for me. This stuff works if you are out-of-town and don't have a place to "wash up" after a day-long tourney. It's called Ivy Block (http://www.ivyblock.com/ivyblock.php) and basically works like sunscreen. I have used it a few times and never gotten an outbreak, at places that I have gotten one. The active ingredient absorbs the oil from the plant and breaks it up. I swear by it.
I use it mainly going to out-of-town, one-dayers that I don't know what kind of course I'm playing, or if I know there is poison ivy there. It's kinda pricey, but worth every penny for people like me.
Hope this helps a few of my fellow ivy-allergic brethren.

Zanfel has been with me for 5 years. It works and seems to have protected me from further outbreaks. The TechNu may be just as good. Zanfel is at CVS or go to their website.
IT pulls the urishul out of your system, Relief is a wondeful thing.

I just dug this thread up b/c I finally found the cure to poison ivy (for me at least).

I finally bought some Technu and the stuff works if you use it right. Run hot water over the rash for about 2 minutes (this feels fantastic), then use a pomus stone(guys, your wife/girlfriend probably has something like this at home for her feet...it's fairly rough so it will break the blisters with out scarring up your skin). Use the pomus stone lightly for about a minute (this also feels great). Once you're done, apply a small amount of the Technu to the rash and rub for 15 seconds. Rinse with cold water and you'll be done with the itch (and the rash). For bad cases, you might have to repeat this the following day.



Don't the directions on the Technu bottle direct you not to irritate or scrub the affected area? I'm pretty sure you are only supposed to gently wash the area. Check the bottle.

The instructions on the quart bottle I have say
BEFORE rash has started
1. apply to exposed unwetted skin soon as practical or within 2 - 8 hours, rub vigorously ... rinse with cool water
The idea is to keep your pores closed and the hot water will open them. The only mention of warm (not hot) water is as a last resort after the rash has started.

Tecnu (http://www.teclabsinc.com/products.cfm?id=1F5604C8-9D05-4675-56129F6D83DF2417&section=1)

Tecnu Extreme (http://www.tecnuextreme.com/)

I have never tried Tecnu Extreme but I can use a string trimmer in a bed of Posion Ivy then use Tecnu and only break out if I miss a spot.

Tecnu, properly used, is great!
I order it at Ben Meadows (http://www.benmeadows.com/search/tecnu/11825/) and have never seen a better price [I buy 2 quarts at time and they work for years even if the liquid turns a little brown]. I see now they also have These. (http://www.benmeadows.com/search/tecnu)

I just dug this thread up b/c I finally found the cure to poison ivy (for me at least).

I finally bought some Technu and the stuff works if you use it right. Run hot water over the rash for about 2 minutes (this feels fantastic), then use a pomus stone(guys, your wife/girlfriend probably has something like this at home for her feet...it's fairly rough so it will break the blisters with out scarring up your skin). Use the pomus stone lightly for about a minute (this also feels great). Once you're done, apply a small amount of the Technu to the rash and rub for 15 seconds. Rinse with cold water and you'll be done with the itch (and the rash). For bad cases, you might have to repeat this the following day.



Don't the directions on the Technu bottle direct you not to irritate or scrub the affected area? I'm pretty sure you are only supposed to gently wash the area. Check the bottle.



That's the way I used it the first time and it had NO effect. When you srub the skin with whatever you use, it breaks the blisters and the oil is exposed. The rash can spread at this point if your don't wash it with Technu and rinse immediately. This is why they tell not to break the skin. But if you're in the shower, you can lather the legs with the Technu and that will prevent the rash from spreading while removing all the "stored" oil in/on your skin. They also tell you not to break the skin so the rash lasts a little longer...so you use more of their $15/tube product ;)

I'll agree with the other people. DO NOT BURN IT!!

A couple of other things. There is oil on the leaves, but it is a small amount. You can actually go touch poison ivy relatively safely as long as you don't bend and crack the leaves. (If you are highly allergic, dont try this) So if you are careful around it with your hands and arms, you will not contract it.

One of the worst places for it is on the bottom of your shoes. You walk and stomp on it getting the oil all over your shoes. Then, you get home and take your shoes off, and the oil is transferred to your hands. Because you aren't in the woods anymore, you feel safe - but you are not. When you take your shoes off, take care not to touch the bottom of the soles.

Dogs will also transport it. They run through the woods and then get the oil on their coats. It doesn't bother them too bad, but then you pet them and it is on your hands.

When you take a shower, start off with a cool shower. After a hot round of disc golf, it will feel good. The oil is an oil and it doesn't mix with water. The cool water will close the pores of your skin and the oil will wash off using soap and water. After a few minutes of under the cool water, then make it hot. I learned that trick after hanging fiberglass insulation - and it seems to work with poison ivy too.

As a bonus, once the oil is rinsed from your skin, you can scratch all you want. It wont make it spread.

Good tip: if you have a severe case of poison ivy and it itches really, really, really bad all you have is the following; get your hair dryer (or your wifes hairdryer) put it on the hottest highest setting and hold it about an inch from the spot that is itching.

IT FEELS SOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!! And the itching will stop for a pretty good while.

Hot Water
My husband and children are all very prone to poison ivy. We always ended up at the doctor's office for a shot until we found this cure. Put the affected part of the body under the sink faucet or stand in the shower and run warm water over it. Slowly cut out the cold water until you are running water as hot as you can stand. You will begin to feel prickles. Do this as often as it itches. It will clear up within a matter of days and you will need no more creams etc. Many of our friends use this method. It works!



That's it Jeremy, hot water is the best for me to. It almost feels like the water is scratching it for you, and it doesn't itch for up to 12 hours afterward. Poison ivy is a skin rash and the hot water helps dry it out also...on a side note, Jeremy I didn't know you had a husband and children :D

sun burn really helps. i actually don't burn because my skin gets fairly dark, but a lot of time in the sun is what i'm getting at. helps to actually go swimming because the water intensifies the sunlight and if it's a chlorine pool, that helps to dry it up. plus, pools are usually cool, so your poors close up. when i get poison ivy i just go swimming and it's gone within a day or two.

The best remedy for PI rash is baking soda.

Take a hot shower and get out wet. Rub all the areas with baking soda. It will cake on your wet skin.

Better than Calimine Lotion, Benadryl, etc and cheap. It dries the skin and you stop itching.

I am also UBER allergic to PI.

I suggested designing the landing areas away from PI areas, but apparently this is just crazy talk.

the very best remedy is pine needle tea.
boil a large handful of fresh needles, seperate the needles from the water then wash with the water either straight or add to your bath water. any evidence of blisters or symptoms imediately subside and by morning it already dried up.
By the way you will get a full nights sleep without any interuption do to the effects of the ivy. this is first hand knowlege from a highly allergic golfer.

I suggested designing the landing areas away from PI areas, but apparently this is just crazy talk.



You should petition for an indoor disc golf facility as much as you complain about disc golf ,and the areas where we play..

The best remedy for PI is a steriod cream that you can get from a dermatologist. This cream is also used for psoriasis and will clear up PI in less than 3 hours. Side effects from excessive use include, thinning the skin. So don't use it all the time. By the way, this stuff goes a long way and is expensive.

However, the best cure is prevention. What I mean by this, is you need to get the PI oil off your skin ASAP. To do this, during the spring-summer-fall monthes when PI is about, carry a small package of baby wipes with you and wipe off your arms, hands, legs, etc. after every round and even during a round if you know you got into it. Diaper wipes include a soap that cuts oils very well. You can get small packs to easily carry in your bag and they do help. You will even be left smelling baby fresh! This generally will get 90 to 100% of the oil.

I get the best results when I throw my poison ivy with a little bit of hyzer on it. That is the throwing technique I use with poison ivy... :p

Hire some goats to eat it up.......

I use a combo of hand sanitizer/technu after a round or if I think I might have been exposed. If I do get it I use iverest. If it is really bad "WEENHER", I goto the doc and get roids. :)

Hire some goats to eat it up.......

I use a combo of hand sanitizer/technu after a round or if I think I might have been exposed. If I do get it I use iverest. If it is really bad "WEENHER", I goto the doc and get roids. :)



I too have worn the poison ivy diaper, not a good time .
Technu is great stuff also. Good for the post round prevention. I believe if you purchase a bottle of mineral spirits , it will yeild the same results as the technu.

I suggested designing the landing areas away from PI areas, but apparently this is just crazy talk.



You should petition for an indoor disc golf facility as much as you complain about disc golf ,and the areas where we play..



I put that there knowing you would put some snide reply, Boomer. Good catch!!!

Apparently, any discussion of any of any North Texas Disc Golf course, (other than praise) is "complaining". I know I constantly complain about DISC GOLF too!!! I just hate it!!! I really hate disc golf!!! Eureka, you have found me out!!! I am free!!!!

I just think it is hilarious that a thread on treating poison ivy is acceptable/reasonable, but a thread to AVOID poison ivy is not. All I can say is WOW... that makes sense....and started by the guy who defends playing INTO poison ivy as often as possible.

The World is upside down.

Citysmasher, you are the one that is upside down. Disc golf is a privelage. Local communitues efficiently take land that would otherwise go to waste, and create something where there was not . That is a positive thing .

City, I am familiar with your ramblings beyond this MB. You speak as if course designers, and local communities are intentionally trying to [censored] you off. DUDE, DISC GOLF IS FREE. TAKE YOUR JUVENILE COMPLAINTS BACK TO THE COUNTRY CLUB WHERE YOU PAY MONEY TO PLAY. As far as the public courses and their designers , try and not look that gift horse in the mouth. People are busting their arses trying to make things better for you and your complacient arse.

I put that there knowing you would put some snide reply, Boomer. Good catch!!!





Have it be known : if you are leafy,contain urishol, grow in groups of three, in the shade of every disc golf course in Texas, your time has come . The citysmasher cometh, to destroy you like the poorly dubbed godzilla movies of old... Be afraid, be very , very afraid.

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Godzilla_biography.jpg

This is my final response... I apologize for hijacking this thread.

For some reason, ever since I dared comment on Dallas course design trends (I ranted about water hazards), Discboomer shows up to tell me that I have no right to any kind of opinion on the matter, and should thank my lucky stars that any disc golf exists at all. Apparently, DB is some kind of club leader in my area, yet we have never met (even though I think I met Lee at the Lewsiville mini).

Despite the "country club" inference, I certainly understand that DG courses are typically started at the "grass roots" level, and few courses in the Dallas suburbs are government sponsored (if any). I understand all that. I was playing McClure and Riverside in Tulsa in the 1970's (before most people ever HEARD of disc golf). I have seen course born from nothing at all...

I believe that these ideals that are being constantly exhibited (hostility toward that might appeal to the mainstream) is directly at the root of why disc golf is NOT in the mainstream. Frankly, disc golf has barely changed since I started playing...

There is not a course in the Dallas metroplex that "must" be played into the worst parts of the areas provided (I understand that MANY of the areas are not quite perfect), but several do. If this opinion offends you that deeply DB, I simply have no response, other than to say "why"?

Also, I am also certainly glad that you now have me pegged PERSONALLY due to your interpretation of my posts on the Internet.

I live in Richardson, TX. IT is a lovely town with several beautiful parks and ZERO disc golf courses. In fact, Richardson is the ONLY town in the area that does not have a disc golf course. Why? Richardson government is probably not interested, BUT after the elections are over I am going to present the idea to the new City Council (finding time with a full time job will be fun). If I get permission, I will probably privately sponsor the expenses for the course (I have been talking to sponsors and would like to go with the new rubber mat tee boxes instead of concrete), and design the course myself. So, I will put my money where my mouth is, design wise.

So, I have not been sitting my ARSE, DB ,but things move slowly when you are doing it "for free".

I've had it a hundred times. Every doctor says something different. At first contact ,few people break out from it. Every time you come incontact with it , you become more likely to get . You are born with resistance to it (everyones dif.some good, some very little) Ididn't break out from it the first 30-40 times I came in contact with it. Now I can get it on a hot day just from being to close to it. Evaporateing water can carry the oil a few feet in the air and it appears as streaks in weird places. Ivy block works great onskin but most people don't realize the oil stays on your shoes and can be spread to your hands then to anything. After getting it so many times ,my resistance is gone.Prednisone hasnever failed to remove it 36 hours but it is a steroid only available from a doctor. Burning it will make your lungs fester and ooze. Birds are the # 1 spreader of the plant. It has little clumps of berries that fall every where they fly while holding the twig in their mouth. Poison ivy can have three dif types of leaves on the same plant. Some leaves have the oil on the outside edge, some have it on the under side , and some have it on the inside. It all depends on the weather , wind ,rainfall amounts , in direct sun , and on and on . The more you know about it the more you hate it. Try to avoid, spray it with brush killer, and be aware of how easy it is to spread. I had it on my discs and changed bags for a glow tourny, then got a rash in Jan at an Icebowl when I got the discs back out. The oil can stay active for over a year. The plant can get you even if it's brown and leafless in the spring. Prevention is the best remedy . Good luck to all. Poison ivy and bugs will conquer the world!!!!!

You also might ask your doctor about temovate (not sure on the spelling) or the generic version called Clobetasol Propionate Gel. It is works good on getting rid of poison ivy on the body. I keep a tube of it cause I get into the ivy every summer. It doesnt do much for the itch but when I notice the first spot breaking out I start putting it on, It helps keep it in check and rid of it. You cannot put it on your face though. You might try it.

One more thing. When you use stuff at the course to get the PI oil off, say after the first round. You also take off the layer of oil on the skin, so now you are extra prone to PI. I am just like all of you, I get it bad when I get it. Just be extra careful on the second round.

Try Zanfel to treat. It is very expensive, $35-40 for a small tube, but is effective. It is like a gritty numbing agent. You take a 1/2 inch of the product and rub it into the infected area, which is great because your scratching the area with the grit in the product. Then after 1 minute wash off and the area is numb.