Out of the disc manufacters out there who would you prefer to be sponsered by? why?

Each company has its own pros/cons and I like being on a smaller team because you get to have a more meaningful relationship with the manufacturer. Ex, if I was sponsored by innova I would just be a bottom of the barrel type guy but with Gateway I am one of the guys. Discraft is kinda like Gateway in the sponsorship area as well.

Yep,

I think the guy with the greatest and unfortunately soon to be banned avatars says it all.
Ok, at least the most hilarious avatars. I liked the golfing girl. :(

Each company has a balance that fits particular players. Although money can be a factor for sponsorship preferences.

I like being on a smaller team because you get to have a more meaningful relationship with the manufacturer. Ex,



Best way to explain it

What's up with not putting Whamo on there? :eek: :D

lol... i forgot about wham-o, not like it really matters.

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova. If you want to be recognized as a top player, Innova.

If you want the absolute hook up in terms of bonuses, Discraft.

If you want to throw hyzers, Gateway

Huk Lab baby.

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova. If you want to be recognized as a top player, Innova.


Current World Champ..Nate Doss..TEAM DISCRAFT!!!!!!!!!

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova. If you want to be recognized as a top player, Innova.


Current World Champ..Nate Doss..TEAM DISCRAFT!!!!!!!!!



theres a reason why 13 out of the last 16 were sponsered by innova.

theres a reason that the best two men and women of all time throw innova

theres a reason why 13 out of the last 16 were sponsered by innova.


The reason being that Innova made Ken Climo a more attractive offer, not that Innova makes better plastic than Discraft. I'm sure that he would still be the 11X World Champ if he'd been throwing Cyclones, Comets, and Magnets.

thank you.....I am sure that guy has enough talent to do anything he wants with any disc. innova got him early in the game, and he stayed because it worked for him. if it's not broke, don't fix it.

If the disc are better why didn't you finish better this weekend? If Innova discs are better than why didn't you Beat LL this weekend? It's not about the discs, it's who throwing them. It's whosed played longer, practiced more, and just who is on top of there game that tournament.

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova.


With all of the good/funny things that MTL has brought to this board over the years he's entitled to say something ignorant from time to time. :D :eek: :eek: :D

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova. If you want to be recognized as a top player, Innova.



Come on MTL, what is "your" definition of better?

If one were to ask me, I would say that Discraft has the better plastic in terms of durability. Elite X lasts a lot longer the Innovas Pro Line, and the Z plastic is harder then Champion. ESP and Star....two peas in a pod in that line.

I think Innova has grippier plastic in general, Discraft more durable. I have had a Z-XL for a year now, the disc is still as straight and true as the day I bought it, which frankly impresses most people at our course, since our course is so rocky and rough, D-DX, Proline, and Elite X plastic do not stand a chance. I have not had an Innova Champion disc that I throw as much last near as long. (not knocking Innova, just stating examples for sake of argument).

I also think there is geographical bias too.

But I do not think you would turn down a Discraft Sponsorship. Even though I picked Discraft (80% of my bag is Discraft), if Innova offered me a sponsorship and Discraft did not, then I would be throwing all Innova.

If the disc are better why didn't you finish better this weekend? If Innova discs are better than why didn't you Beat LL this weekend? It's not about the discs, it's who throwing them. It's whosed played longer, practiced more, and just who is on top of there game that tournament.



b/c LL's a better player than me - flat out

I just have seen a few players (not naming names) whose games have dropped dramatically since changing to non-innova plastic

i heard that was because innovas players are the best at selectively calling the rules in favor of their team members. just a rumor though.

Because LL is a better player! But I tought your disc were better.

It takes time to adjust to new discs, It takes time to learn the new models and get stuff beat up appropriatly.

When I switched to discraft my game dropped a little because I had to learn new disc and get stuff beat in appropriately. Now I'm playing the best golf I've ever played probably. Now If I were to switch to Innova what would happen. My game would drop until I learned and got disc beat in appropriatly.

It's the player, not the discs.

look, I can appreicate you backing up your sponser, but I just think if you asked the top 100 pros what they would want to throw, 80 of them would choose innova.

But, in a perfect world, we could throw anything.

I think that if there was no such thing as sponsership, most players bag would look like this..

Firebird
Teerex/Star Wraith/ESP Surge
Teebird
Roc
Buzzz
Wizard

btw, my go to midrange disc is not innova, and its not a buzzz

MTL you still have yet to actually justify why you think Innova discs are better like you are stating.

I am sure that your reasons, like mine are pure bias and really have no merit beyond that. Innova has what appears to be a better distribution network then any other company, hence the reason why you will see some disc golf cities only throwing Innova and not Discraft. That has nothing to do with quality but with logistics and volume discounts.

I would really like to know why Innova is better in your opinion. Personally I have no alliance because no one is paying me to play yet, but I will throw any brand disc if it fits a niche flight characteristic in my bag.

I will throw any brand disc if it fits a niche flight characteristic in my bag.



Word. I could throw any companies' discs, some just don't have a presence in my area. I would prefer to be sponsored by the first company to seriously offer me a team spot. A gesture like that would mean a lot to me since I am an extremely loyal person. 1st one to get me, keeps me for life, word is bond.

Aerobie

Do they make a driver, midrange, and putter? If yes, then yes.

MTL you still have yet to actually justify why you think Innova discs are better like you are stating.





Ok....

The drivers are 10 times better. The main complaint I hear from DIscraft players is that Innova doesn't have a Teebird. When Steve Rico was sponsered by Discraft, he was throwing a Teebird. I think that Innova has a very large variety of drivers and usually beats everyone to the punch in desiging newer discs (ie. the Beast, the ORc, the Wraith and the TeeRex). While the Surge is a little better than the Wraith, it was a copy, just like the Flash was a copy of the Orc. I'm really waiting to see what the new disraft disc will be that will resemble the TeeRex.

While Discraft's midranges are very good, Innovas got the Roc. The Roc is the best disc ever made. IT has got to be the best selling disc in the world.

Another problem I have is in the putters. I putt with a very very very flippy putter (like old putt and approach). The only flippy putters Discraft has is the APX and the Z Puttr, and theres no way I can putt with something like a birdie, polecat or a puttr - the apx just has a feel like a really floppy plastic - the avair has a solid feel and comes in many ranges of stability.


I've thought about this many times and even asked Keith M via PM what my Discraft bag would be like, and there were discs that I just could not replace. The Eagle (Crush is the closest buts it too stable), the TL (nothing compares to that thing for me), the Leopard (havent thrown a spectra yet, but LL is using that for his Leopard replacement) and like I said, my flippy avair.

10 times better huh!
But LL Still is the better player and by your standards he does it with ten times worse disc. Nate Doss was able to win the worlds over everybody last year with ten times worse discs. I didn't realize he was that good.

If innova discs were that much better Discraft and others would not be in business. Both Companies make a full line of good disc. Gateway has also stepped into the market with most of a full line of disc, and have continually improved and are making good discs.

Why don't you call the tracker there copy of a tee-bird since it flies similar? What is the coyote by Discraft, or was the coyote more the other way around.
Was it not the cyclone back in the day that really starting getting people more distance?

As to your Bag
Eagle depends on plastic of eagle, but maybe x-predator, or D- or z-crush would work probably.
TL, Z-tracker I think is a little more stable, and the x-tracker is a little less stable but I would think they would work.
Leopard- X-tracker for me, I never gave the spectra a chance but it seems like it might work. X-crush might work to.
Putter I would Say APX-swirl, but they are hard to find since not made anymore.

The drivers are 10 times better


Whatever dude! Now I know your full of it!

If the disc are better why didn't you finish better this weekend? If Innova discs are better than why didn't you Beat LL this weekend? It's not about the discs, it's who throwing them. It's whosed played longer, practiced more, and just who is on top of there game that tournament.



b/c LL's a better player than me - flat out

I just have seen a few players (not naming names) whose games have dropped dramatically since changing to non-innova plastic



You cant always go by that though because some people seem to think my game has dropped some since I have switched to all Gateway. Since I made the switch I see a lot more dependable disc, I feel more comfortable throwing them, and have seen my scores improve a lot. Just people want to pick and choose at you when you�re having a bad day. Honestly I don't see myself going back to Innova or Discraft since I made this switch just like the disc too much.

i just want to point out that the main guys disagreeing with me are discraft guys.

And honestly saying that I am full of it really pisses me off - I am just stating my opinion and I am not calling any of you full of it for stating your opinion.

I just want someone to answer these questions with logical answers.

If Discraft were better than Innova, then why...

1. Would 18 out of the top 25 rated players in the world be sponersed by Innova (not inlcuding Walt Haney who dropped from Team for personal reasons) and only 1 (Nate Doss) throw Discraft?

A logical answer is not "b/c its older" b/c 8 of those 18 have 5 digit PDGA numbers.

2. Would players like Kevin McCoy and Coda drop discraft for Innova?

3. Would all these players STILL sign with Innova when it is common knowledge that Discraft has a better sponsership package and treats their players better?

I mean just look at the standards also. You have to be 1000+ to be considered by Innova (obviously there are exceptions), all you have to do to get considered by Discraft is win an AMATUER tournament - no offense to Pete Scott or Adam, who are players much better than me, just makin a point.

Hey MTL if I had to choose from Discraft or Innova in the driver department I would have to go with Discraft. I mean they have the Z avenger which I think is a great disc, the predator and tsunami. On the understable side you can use the wildcat, X tracker, and spectra. I still like a few Innova drivers such as the Orc, monster, Teebird(never threw before switching to GW) and Dx beast.

The funny think about discraft is that if they would've made the avenger a year earlier I would probably be sponsored by them but I just didn't like thier lineup as a whole in 04'. :D

I mean just look at the standards also. You have to be 1000+ to be considered by Innova (obviously there are exceptions), all you have to do to get considered by Discraft is win an AMATUER tournament - no offense to Pete Scott or Adam, who are players much better than me, just makin a point.



Roberto, don't you think that sponsoring players when they are still players is a valuable investment? I mean Gateway is pretty much sponsoring younger players and a few who were in INT last year are now 960+ adv guys who will just keep on going up. There are also a few younger guys on the team who have moved up and have been doing well in the Open division.
I think that having sponsored AMs is a good idea because it introduces players in the Am divisions to the discs 1st hand. I know that when I was playing ADV there were a lot of people on my card who were interested in the discs after playing the round and I usually would let them throw some stuff and then if I had any extra stuff I would give them a disc or two to try out.

Innova doesn't need to sponsor players <1000 because there name is already out but the smaller companies need to spread the word and having AMs on the team is a great idea IMO.

Oh yeah isn't Pete a 1010+ Pro now? AO will be there soon as well.

I'm for sponsering players, and ive played lots of rounds with AO and he is an unreal putter - but even then, ive heard him say he misses this KC eagle he had to throw tomahawks with and he has nothing to replace it.

The same is true for nearly all players who had a mixed bag before becoming sponsored. Heck I had been missing my DX beast up until a month ago when Dave sent me a few Screams that have almost identical flight characteristics.

Come on Innova guys....

Schwebby, I know you read every thread - why did you choose Innova?

If you want better plastic (sorry, but this is just the truth), Innova. If you want to be recognized as a top player, Innova.


Current World Champ..Nate Doss..TEAM DISCRAFT!!!!!!!!!



theres a reason why 13 out of the last 16 were sponsered by innova.

theres a reason that the best two men and women of all time throw innova

14 of the last 16, Cam was Innova when he won.

I just want everyone to know something - I know that it truly is the player yada yada and that if you gave someone discraft and me innova, it wouldnt matter (as proved with LL)

But I just want someone to logically answer this question as I have said a few times...

If Discraft has better sponsership packages (which is why LL is with them now), why are most top players and world champs still with Innova and while are most of up and commers signing with Innova?

i heard that was because innovas players are the best at selectively calling the rules in favor of their team members. just a rumor though.

Who did that? I would like to know.

I just want everyone to know something - I know that it truly is the player yada yada and that if you gave someone discraft and me innova, it wouldnt matter (as proved with LL)

But I just want someone to logically answer this question as I have said a few times...

If Discraft has better sponsership packages (which is why LL is with them now), why are most top players and world champs still with Innova and while are most of up and commers signing with Innova?



Could it be that innova has better recruiting and grabs players before other companies have a chance? most players who are not sponsered are most likely to jump at the first chance they have to get sponsered.

as for teebirds x xl = tl and z xl = teebird (t, tb)...imo

saying that discraft (& others) copy innova is retarded. its more likely that those companies spend more time in the "lab" getting the disc exactly how that want them. a example that comes to mind is when Yamaha released the 4-stroke motocross bike first but Honda and Suzuki and been testing them years before Yamaha started. Basically no one really copies each other, except of course if one comes out with a new technology the others will pick up on it and see what they can do with it.

because that was pretty much the only plastic that MOST of the top players were throwing at the time. The XL was the last Discraft disc that I removed from my bag when the Leopard came out, back in 1999 or 2000.
Anybody can eventually adjust to any disc if they put in the time to learn the slight different flight characteristics of each disc.

I just want everyone to know something - I know that it truly is the player yada yada and that if you gave someone discraft and me innova, it wouldnt matter (as proved with LL)

But I just want someone to logically answer this question as I have said a few times...

If Discraft has better sponsership packages (which is why LL is with them now), why are most top players and world champs still with Innova and while are most of up and commers signing with Innova?



You got to go with what you know. When I went to Gateway I didn't know the disc but when I got my gateway disc and started to throw them there was no turning back. I have been throwing them since November and have a disc forever shot that I want right now. To me the disc are more dependable, and I�m a lot more confident with the disc that�s my reason for throwing gateway.

"And honestly saying that I am full of it really pisses me off - I am just stating my opinion and I am not calling any of you full of it for stating your opinion."
When your opinion says something is ten times better than something else you should be able to back it up with more than I think its so.
I can assure if Innova's disc were 10 times better LL would not have probably made switch. I know part of the reasons were probably personnal, but 10 times is a signifigant number.

I just want someone to answer these questions with logical answers.

If Discraft were better than Innova, then why...

1. Would 18 out of the top 25 rated players in the world be sponersed by Innova (not inlcuding Walt Haney who dropped from Team for personal reasons) and only 1 (Nate Doss) throw Discraft?

Forget about the disc they throw real quick here,
Player Name PDGA# State Country Rating Division
Ken Climo 1040, Barry Schultz 1038, Steve Rico 1032, Markus K�llstr�m 1031, David Feldberg 1031, John E. McCray Jr. 1028, Brad Hammock 1026, Nathan Doss 1026, Dean Tannock 1025, Chris Sprague 1023, Joshua Anthon 1022, Matt Orum 1022, Jason J-Bird Light 1022, Micah Dorius 1022, Timo Pursio 1021, Darrell Nodland 1021, Mike Moser 1021,Avery Jenkins 1019, Brian Schweberger 1019,
Walter Haney 1019, John Child 1018, Justin Jernigan 1018, Steve Brinster 1018, other notables Bunnel, Heeren, Mccoy, Schack, Gill, Hatfield and more.

Most of these names are all of players who have commited a good period of time touring, or really just committed time to the game. The only Players from Disraft who have made the kind of committment most of these players have are Ron Russel, and Cam Todd. Two ex-world Champions. Otherwise You can say McCoy but he switched sides (oh look his game dropped a little bit but is back up lik he never lost it) Whenever you switch you lose until you get enough practice and learn the disc properly. Vilmorin toured a little bit and got better when he ws touring, but always was a little loco, so it makes it hard to get that good in one year. Matthew Orum did very good when he committed to tour and get better. That is why they are at the top of the list. I Can't say why certain players have switched, but I would think Mccoy wouldn't have switched if Russel, Todd incidents wouldn't have been an issue. It seems like Rico has always been up there, and he threw discraft for the longest time. Most of the top guys have been on the team longer than they been on the top. Some master players get to hide in lower divisions,play more comfortably and keep high ratings, let them play in a more competitive division where they are not running away with it or things of the sort.

A logical answer is not "b/c its older" b/c 8 of those 18 have 5 digit PDGA numbers.
Experiance is one thing, not all of it. Barry, Ken, Steve, Brad have been around the longest probably and are at the top of the list who would have figured.
Most of the five digit # could have been around long enough, it's more about commitment time to the sport.

2. Would players like Kevin McCoy and Coda drop discraft for Innova?

Mccoy did because Discraft put him in a hard spot I think. They wanted him to apologize to certain people which was against what he believed. It was a difference between him and discraft not the disc. Why did coda switch? Because Mccoy help get him on the team probably. I don't know all innova offers but they also pulled Orum, Burl, and Nodland over roughly at the same time.

3. Would all these players STILL sign with Innova when it is common knowledge that Discraft has a better sponsership package and treats their players better?

It was not known before that discraft treated there players better. Only recently has the fact been shown that Innova would do what they have. I think the packages are very comparable.

I don't say all this to defend discraft, I've said what I've said because you said ten times better and comments of the sort.

Multiple companies make very comparable and good discs.

"And honestly saying that I am full of it really pisses me off - I am just stating my opinion and I am not calling any of you full of it for stating your opinion."
When your opinion says something is ten times better than something else you should be able to back it up with more than I think its so.
I can assure if Innova's disc were 10 times better LL would not have probably made switch. I know part of the reasons were probably personnal, but 10 times is a signifigant number.





it was an obvious exageration - I would say that both Innova and Discraft have thier beneifits, but I just think that plastic is better overall from Innova.

Discraft has really never made a huge hit in the disc market with the exception of the Cyclone, Buzzz, Predator, Magnent, and Avenger.

And what I mean by that is those are discs that pretty much everyone with discraft and free angents have at least tried throwing..

With Innova the list goes on and on and on and on....

I do love some discraft stuff - that super roc er....I mean Elite X wasp in my bag is awesome - I get them confused b/c they are THE SAME DISC

I don't say all this to defend discraft, I've said what I've said because you said ten times better and comments of the sort.

Multiple companies make very comparable and good discs.



look, no matter what you say, i know your defending your company, which i totally respect. And I also know that you would probably still be throwing the same exact stuff if you were unsponsered...

all im saying is that there is a major difference between Innova and discraft...

Most discraft players wish they had (insert Innova disc, probably a Teebird or Roc) in there bag.

I really can;t think of an Innova player who can say the same about Discraft (except for maybe the buzzz here and there)

I don't say all this to defend discraft, I've said what I've said because you said ten times better and comments of the sort.

Multiple companies make very comparable and good discs.



look, no matter what you say, i know your defending your company, which i totally respect. And I also know that you would probably still be throwing the same exact stuff if you were unsponsered...

all im saying is that there is a major difference between Innova and discraft...

Most discraft players wish they had (insert Innova disc, probably a Teebird or Roc) in there bag.

I really can;t think of an Innova player who can say the same about Discraft (except for maybe the buzzz here and there)



I know that if I threw Innova I would have a few DC discs that i would want in my bag. Those are the Tsunami, Z avenger, and probably a spectra for big D. The fact is that Innova has a very weak point when it comes to overstable fast drivers that have "stablizers".

BTW most innova players want a Wizard so does that mean Gateways putters are "ten times better"?

"look, no matter what you say, i know your defending your company, which i totally respect. And I also know that you would probably still be throwing the same exact stuff if you were unsponsered...
"
You know huh! just like you know the disc are like ten times better huh!
If I was not sponsored I would probably have a mixed bag like before I was sponsored. Why not take the best of both worlds.

"all im saying is that there is a major difference between Innova and discraft...
"
What is the Major difference?
Both have good plastic, both have good molds, both have consitent enough process, I don't see any major differences.
Most discraft players wish they had (insert Innova disc, probably a Teebird or Roc) in there bag.

"I really can't think of an Innova player who can say the same about Discraft (except for maybe the buzzz here and there) "

I used to hear the comet from certain players, also hear the XL was probably the best roller ever by multiple innova players.
The fact is both have such a big line they have something very similar. Even the tee-bird, & Roc.

i said in an earlier post that I think that if there wasnt sponserships, most top pros would putt with the wizard

as one top pro who won 11 world titles told me "it feels just like a 9 time"

Oh wait, is that another comparison to innova?

i said in an earlier post that I think that if there wasnt sponserships, most top pros would putt with the wizard

as one top pro who won 11 world titles told me "it feels just like a 9 time"

Oh wait, is that another comparison to innova?



This Wizard is as far from an Aviar as a Magnet. The wiz has a convexed wind(rounded) and the avair had a straight line bevel.

All you can do is throw what works for you! I personally prefer Discraft! You seem to prefer Innova..Thats all good, but you wont see me bashing Innova!
.I think its arguments like this that keep our sport down!
Can't we just all get along?

The drivers are 10 times better


Whatever dude! Now I know your full of it!



He's right, that is completely wrong!!! Innova drivers aren't 10 times better . . . . . . they are 25 times better :D:p :cool:

so chris, why arent you with Discraft - ur a top pro

I actually think this is a decent discussion and hopefully it will open the eyes of the manufacture's loyalists in the DG world. :D

so chris, why arent you with Discraft - ur a top pro



Because he is with Gateway. Look at his bag. :o:D:o

I actually think this is a decent discussion and hopefully it will open the eyes of the manufacture's loyalists in the DG world. :D



me as well

One of our local players was recently sponsored by Innova. They asked him first.

The disc he missed the most was the Z-XL. Innova does not have a perfect copy disc of that. The Leopard and TL are similar but not quite the same. So the Teebird argument is basically weak, it is the same as the XL argument. Discraft has discs similar to a Teebird; the Reaper and the Talon. Both are close but just not exactly the same.

The Roc is a great disc. But is it better then a Buzzz? No. Is the Buzzz better then a Roc? No. They are both stable to straight mid range discs. My only problem with the Roc, and the only reason I do not throw them is because they are WAY too expensive in the good champion plastic. Now USDGC is a great tournament and it is a good way to collect money. Just from a throwers prespective, why would I want to spend $25+ when I can spend $15 for a slightly more stable version?

Discraft had a high speed overstable driver like the Tee Rex before Innova did. It was called the Venom. However, it never hit the market in full force because the weight distribution of the mold did not allow it to be manufactured in the Z plastic. Perhaps it may be allowed with the new ESP plastic.

For every disc I carry I can name the other companies equivilant. So arguing that the molds are better is pretty weak.

I am interested in hearing how the plastic is better then Discraft. I stated that Discraft is harder plastic and hence is more durable in my experience. But MTL, you just say Innovas plastic is better. Why?

Sorry but Teerex= Venom? The Venom is a little faster and as far as i can tell more overstble. The Rexes I have thrown weren't too overstable though.

It may depend on the color TeeRex your threw.

I have thrown a Pale Green and Peach colored TeeRex and they flew like a Wraith. However the dark blue and dark red are nice and very stable.

Basically, the good TeeRex's and the Venom went out flat and very fast, and faded really hard at the end.

Just my experiences.

I do not know what happend with that double post. Dang delays in this wireless network.

It may depend on the color TeeRex your threw.

I have thrown a Pale Green and Peach colored TeeRex and they flew like a Wraith. However the dark blue and dark red are nice and very stable.

I threw a pink one from world dubs and a green star stamped one.
Basically, the good TeeRex's and the Venom went out flat and very fast, and faded really hard at the end.

Just my experiences.

I do not know what happend with that double post. Dang delays in this wireless network.

Yea, I just got a red T-Rex and it's nothing like a wraith, it was very overstable.

In all honesty I think millenium has been go the best way with plastic. their base line is definitly the best out of all the other companies base-lines. the sirius plastic is definitly superior to star and esp....imo. its grippier and its just as if not more durable. The only thing they are really missing is champion/z plastic (not that i care, i don't throw champ/z plastic accept for my tommahwak/thumber disc).

All millenium has to do know is expand their line. I think they need some new putter molds, im not a fan of the omega, and get a mid-range that is a true multi-purpose disc (more like the Roc and Buzz). The combo of them MF and MS equal those discs but it would be nice to have it in one disc.

I personally would totally prefer to be sponsered by a smaller company and grow with it. It would be nice to have closer relationship and more influence with the company. I see millenium being a real contender in a few years.

as for gateway all they really need now is for one their players to do really well this year and win some big events and i think gateway will explode. it already has with many areas as i see alot of the dgers whiching over to gateway. everybody knows they rule the putting world.

the biggest difference i see in innova compared to the other companies, is that innova isn't concentrating on just new drivers but mids and putters too. gateway would be included with innova (sorry).

I'm still amazed that Lightning doesn't have a team...unless i'm mistaken?

It all comes down to what works for each individual person. What I hope to see is more non-disc sponsors. I like what Joe is doing with Twisted Flyer. Hands down I would pick Twisted Flyer over ANYONE in the business. That being said if anyone cam to me at this point and said hey we want to sponsor you as an am. I would be hard pressed not to take the offer. There is only one disc manf. that I would say no to and thats not because of there plastic, but because of statements posted on this board that was not to impressed with.
Anyway my vote would be for Twisted.

TWISTED!!!!

Interesting discussion

I still putt with the first putter my dad got me in 1991. An Aviar. I've got a friend who still putts with the first disc he ever owned. A pat-pend. Aero. The other companies make a good product, however i guess i just started playing a decade to soon. Some times you just cant beat the originals.

: ) :

Interesting discussion

I still putt with the first putter my dad got me in 1991. An Aviar. I've got a friend who still putts with the first disc he ever owned. A pat-pend. Aero. The other companies make a good product, however i guess i just started playing a decade to soon. Some times you just cant beat the originals.

: ) :



Well 85% of putters on the market putt the same up to 25 so you can use pretty much anything but when you start to use them for drives that is when some rise above the others. :D

I'd rather be sponsored by

Nissan
Gatorade
Oakly

but I'm very happy w/

Twisted Flyer
Innova
Revolution Bags
Boulevard Brewing Company

Huk Lab baby.


Heck YES!!! How sweet would that be?!? Actually my dream would be Huk Lab/Revolution: Huk Lab clothing and accessories, a revoultion bag, and throw any plastic I want? Pardon me while I mop the drool off my keyboard!

nanook

All millenium has to do know is expand their line. I think they need some new putter molds, im not a fan of the omega, and get a mid-range that is a true multi-purpose disc (more like the Roc and Buzz). The combo of them MF and MS equal those discs but it would be nice to have it in one disc.

I see a lot of millenium sponsored players throwing innova on occasion, I think they can if they choose especially since they're both made in Ranch Cucamonga, California.

Lightning doesn't have a team because their plastic is krap, bottomline. Maybe if they come out with some more durable plastic then more people would throw it. I'm sure some of their molds are decent. I know alot of beginners that throw lightning because it is so cheap and if u lose it, it's not that expensive to replace(like premium plastics ex.Star,Champion,esp etc..) I would be happy to be sponsored by anyone who would be willing to help me learn and train with better players on a regular basis. Maybe a sponsored discgolf camp would be a great idea for one of these big companies to invest in. Every other sponsored sport has a training camp of some sort. Depending on location, this could be a wonderful addition to an already great sport.

Innova , Nike , Pepsi or Red Bull , or any company that would sponsor my Airline, Hotel and Rental Car !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Lightning doesn't have a team because their plastic is krap, bottomline. Maybe if they come out with some more durable plastic then more people would throw it. I'm sure some of their molds are decent. I know alot of beginners that throw lightning because it is so cheap and if u lose it, it's not that expensive to replace(like premium plastics ex.Star,Champion,esp etc..) I would be happy to be sponsored by anyone who would be willing to help me learn and train with better players on a regular basis. Maybe a sponsored discgolf camp would be a great idea for one of these big companies to invest in. Every other sponsored sport has a training camp of some sort. Depending on location, this could be a wonderful addition to an already great sport.



http://www.campdiscoveru.bunk1.com/template/home.asp?form_camp_id=9065
This is at highbridge hills in wisconsin. Awesome place some of the best courses in the world. i have met and played with a couple of the pros from there and they are pretty cool and really helpful. jon the owner is awesome too and has some huge plans.

Not beholden to anyone, I throw Innova drivers and putter but Discraft midranges. For drivers, it's hard to beat the wraith, tee-rex, firebird, teebird discs but I think Discraft has really closed the gap in the last 3 years on the drivers and I like the range of selection in the Discraft midranges - buzzz, wasp, mvrv, mrx, storm, and very-underrated stratus. But only Innova makes the Rhyno putter, the one disc that I could least do with out -- yeah, the banger GT flies similar to a rhyno but it doesn't feel like one in the hand. I find the buzzz to be a remarkable disc -- my first run is the same disc it was the day I bought it, a disc that when properly thrown, will stay on whatever line you put it on.

I agree with Jim innova drivers discraft midrange and the impossible to duplicate the SE SOFT RHYNO. Just my 2 cents. <font color="blue"> </font>

I may only be a sub-900 rated AM, but I know enough about this great game to know the greatest players are not just great great solely by what type of disc they throw or endorse.

I'd love to be the first disc golfer sponsored by Sheetz.

the BMF, son.

SunKing Discs!!! Mike is the man!

Heineken !!!!

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Just kidding !!!!

I miss being part of team Discraft. Even If I had it all to do over I would still choose Discraft. I felt like a part of a "team". It figures I am playing some of my best golf now instead of the past few years, I still thank discraft though since I am still playing with their free frizbees. Funny how things work out in life.

The new grip system feels really cool. It would be cool to see a patch in the same are under the rim along the inside edge to grip with your fingers too. Nice work boys! (off topic)

Without question, I have watched Gateway support the up and comers of disc golf (e.g. my doubles partners Matt Hall and Devan Owens) and offer unparalleled support. Fortunately for me, Dave offered me a sponsorship!

When my sponsorship package arrived, it contained a ton of discs (much to my wife's dismay :D), hats, shorts, etc. With these discs, I shattered my personal best at my home course :D

In the past month, I have talked to Dave a couple times, and his passion for the sport and its growth is beyond anything that I have ever seen!

Thanks for the opportunity and THROW Gateway!

I would love to try a couple gateway discs but they are not available in my area, therefore no one throws them. I know I can mail order some but I have never touched anything other than a wizard (which is my next putter when my Cam Todd Challengers are gone) and I dont want to order discs that dont feel good in my hand. I guess I'll have to wait until someone around here gets sponsored before I will have access to any Gateway discs.

Check your PMs.

Soooooooooo....what does it take to get sponsored? How much does your ability to travel come into play? What are the incentives (bonu$e$ and discs/gear)? How does the process work? Are you required to only throw that brand? Details please...

win worlds or a national tour event and you'll get noticed :D

i would say play more than one event a year could be a big help

LOL...yeah that might help :D

D'oh! I'm playing two this year. :p

I'd prefer to be sponsored by Enzyte.
Because if I can raise my rating from 895 to 1000 after sponsorship, I think they have quite a testimonial, plus I'm kinda getting up their in years.

Clothing-Adidas or Nike
Food/supplements-Subway and BSN/Optimum Nutition (i spend about $180 a month on supplements)
Disc Company-Gateway cause i throw a mixed bag and no other company sponsors played who do this
Hotels-Holiday Inn or Best Western
Misc-Johnson and Johnson just to make sure I have enough stuff for poison ivy relief which i pretty much have year round except winter months
Any rental car company

Applebee's

Clothing-Adidas or Nike
Food/supplements-Subway and BSN/Optimum Nutition (i spend about $180 a month on supplements)
Disc Company-Gateway cause i throw a mixed bag and no other company sponsors played who do this
Hotels-Holiday Inn or Best Western
Misc-Johnson and Johnson just to make sure I have enough stuff for poison ivy relief which i pretty much have year round except winter months
Any rental car company



So you can carry what ever discs u want if you are sponsored by Gateway??

you have to throw some/mostly gateway, but not exlusively. Nicco throws Destroyers for big D. They are mor lax on am players.

btw, my go to midrange disc is not innova, and its not a buzzz



is it a core?

So you can carry what ever discs u want if you are sponsored by Gateway??



This is from Dave's blog...

<font color="orange"> Lets talk about sponsorship.

We are getting an overwhelming amount of requests for Sponsorship from players of all skill levels and from all over the country.

This is a huge compliment to me and our company as we are always looking for new players to help us advertise, market and promote our products.

I want to shed a little light on what we are looking for from players,,,, maybe you might just fit the bill and don't even know it!

While we sponsor some of the best players in the world and always seem to have a young gun or 2 knocking on the pro door, we also sponsor some players that don't travel much or play many pdga events at all!


I'll give a list of what we expect and don't expect from our sponsored players.

Expect:
1) to represent our company Gateway Disc Sports in a positive light.

2) to know our product lines and be able to answer questions from other players. this includes our flexibility documents and technical information on our disc designs!

3) to help us set up new customers through stores, clubs, leagues, wherever.
Like custom stamp jobs and gdstour events.

4)to try their best when competing and to not give up during events.
to act like a professional even though they are just playing in leagues or weeklies.
this doesn't mean to not have fun, just don't effect someone else's game too much having yours.

5) to help grow the sport of disc golf at all levels, especially towards recreational players and am players! get leads for new course design and installation.

6) be a part of their disc golf community through local disc golf club involvement and part of work crews and work days at their home courses.

7) to let other players (both new and experienced) know that not all holes are par 3 :) and if there is a safety issue on one of their courses to bring it too someones attention.

8) to feel like they are part of our company and that they can approach us with ideas and suggestions.

9) to be supportive of new players and help them learn the rules and etiquettes. help teach players how to grip and throw discs correctly.

10) to frequent discussion boards ( nationally and locally) and answer questions about Gateway and our products. also to ask us questions about things they don't understand!


Don't expect:
1) players to throw all Gateway

2) players to spend there money traveling to disc golf events out of town

3) players to push Gateway discs on other players.

4) players to feel any pressure about performance</font>

BTW most innova players want a Wizard so does that mean Gateways putters are "ten times better"?



WE ALL KNOW THIS IS TRUE. :)

Wowzers - this thread was pulled from the grave!!

Man did I say some stoopid stuff a few years back.

I just read all of it and its funny, if I had could choose sponsorship right now, Discraft would be the obvious answer for me.

Looking back and reading things I said years ago makes me now realize why I offended so many people in the past!!

I'd love to be the first disc golfer sponsored by Sheetz.



AWESOME!.... I FRIGGIN LIVE AT SHEETZ. SIGM ME UP!

I'd love to be the first disc golfer sponsored by Sheetz.



AWESOME!.... I FRIGGIN LIVE AT SHEETZ. SIGM ME UP!



I vouch for that!!! Everytime we go to the DG course this guy buys 2 LifeWaters and 3 cookies. :D

and dont forget the early mornin' schmuffin!

Rolex, Winnebago, and Exxon

Rolex, Winnebago, and Exxon



The last one is the smartest one.

If you have Winnebago, you need Exxon. :cool:

PEPSI!
:D

(In regards to why Innova had (at the time) 13 of 16 past world Open champions, Pat 'sandalman' Brenner said:)


i heard that was because innovas players are the best at selectively calling the rules in favor of their team members. just a rumor though.



Since this thread has been resumed, and Schwebbie did ask nicely two years ago with no answer from Pat, maybe Board of Directors second term seeking Mr. Brenner can tell us just where he heard this, why he thought he should perpetuate a rumor, and what substantiation he might have for it.

Seems like a BoD member ought to have a bit more class than to slight a whole group of top players by posting crap like this. Oh, he wasn't a Board member at the time, so I guess he's forgiven.

Master at baiting, eh, Pat? You don't have to answer me, but Brian Schweberger deserves the courtesy of a reply, since you sideways slammed him.

I've secured my first sponsorship...Team Starbucks will be providing me with 10 bucks and free coffee for an entire week. :D

everyone is overlooking the best sponsorship opportunity of all... get a wife with lots of $$$ and the love for travel and maybe even DG!!! ;)

everyone is overlooking the best sponsorship opportunity of all... get a wife with lots of $$$ and the love for travel and maybe even DG!!! ;)



Wake up stack you are typing in your sleep.

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I agree with the non Disc Golf Sponsor idea. Andrew's main sponsor is a non Disc Golf Company owned by a Disc Golfer.

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As far as a Disc Company

After I read the post about Gateway "from Dave's blog" to him, he is very impressed with thier mission statement.

And went outside to throw his Gateway putter from the Raleigh Disc Golf Championship

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