There is a golfer registered to play AM in the Beaver State Fling named Adam Carlson. His rating went to 955 in December and he accepted cash in September of 2005. Wouldn't this make him ineligible to play AM at the BSF?

There is a golfer registered to play AM in the Beaver State Fling named Adam Carlson. His rating went to 955 in December and he accepted cash in September of 2005. Wouldn't this make him ineligible to play AM at the BSF?



If his rating is 955 AND he has cashed THEN he would be ineligible to play AM at the B.S.F........
:p

There is a golfer registered to play AM in the Beaver State Fling named Adam Carlson. His rating went to 955 in December and he accepted cash in September of 2005. Wouldn't this make him ineligible to play AM at the BSF?



Yea, Chuck you better do something about this..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ryan doesnt want ANYBODY within 10 points of his "KING" sandbagger status :p

Wouldnt it "Suck" if you didnt WIN, with such a big ratings lead... :o /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

There is a golfer registered to play AM in the Beaver State Fling named Adam Carlson. His rating went to 955 in December and he accepted cash in September of 2005. Wouldn't this make him ineligible to play AM at the BSF?



Yea, Chuck you better do something about this..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Ryan doesnt want ANYBODY within 10 points of his "KING" sandbagger status :p

Wouldnt it "Suck" if you didnt WIN, with such a big ratings lead... :o /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D


I don't plan on winning, I just don't want that guy taking 2nd place away from me AGAIN (simpson sling '05) ! lol. I think Colin Sexton is gonna take the win, I just hope to make the lead card. But yeah, the rating differential from highest rated, to second highest rated is pretty funny.

I might end up playing Open anyhow, depending on how I shoot at GSC.

I might end up playing Open anyhow, depending on how I shoot at GSC.



Now your talking.......Move on up...improve your skills playing against the "Best" :D

Who needs more "Plastic" anyways

:D

Who needs more "Plastic" anyways
:D


I do, you forget where I play at. People keep stealing my plastic!

Who needs more "Plastic" anyways
:D


I do, you forget where I play at. People keep stealing my plastic!



But with playing Open, you can buy more plastic. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Take the cash man...move up.

954 is the highest pro rating that can still play Advanced. Contact the TD first and then Gentry second if the TD doesn't change the division.

Ryan doesnt want ANYBODY within 10 points of his "KING" sandbagger status :p

Wouldnt it "Suck" if you didnt WIN, with such a big ratings lead... :o /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D



Classic! KING BAGGER Gwillim

Classic! KING BAGGER Gwillim



We have Tiger Bagger here in Birmingham.

In his first PDGA event ever, and his second event overall, he shoots well into the 970's in the intermediate division. His first ever player rating is 955. And this weekend he placed 13th in Open and denied the cash.

And like your thinking, we call him Tiger Bagger because he looks just like Tiger Woods. He is even engaged to a thin attrative blonde. The dude will be a machine once he dedicates his time to disc golf. Right now he concentrates on soccer. He is the starting goalie for the UAB soccer team.

We told him to skip advanced and turn pro right away. He just laughed at us.

Classic! KING BAGGER Gwillim


You won over $80 because I forced you to play up in the monthy so you better just shut your pretty little mouth, boy!

Both of you need to move up soon...Like before 2010.

Both of you need to move up soon...Like before 2010.


No worries, my goal is November of 2009!

WORD...6|9

WORD...6|9


It's gonna be 5zero3 pretty soon!

Me too...someday.

There is a golfer registered to play AM in the Beaver State Fling named Adam Carlson. His rating went to 955 in December and he accepted cash in September of 2005. Wouldn't this make him ineligible to play AM at the BSF?



Just as an FYI.... The only reason Adam signed up for Adv is because he could not get that Friday off and he really wanted to play the Fling. As for accepting cash... yeah he did accept $62.00 in a doubles tournement in 2005.

Seems like a real shame that would prevent him from playing the Fling. Its not like the guy has been tearing it up in Open.

What are the rules regarding petitioning a drop from Open down to Adv?

Why did he accept cash, if he wants to play Am still?

because he knew he could easily petition the pdga and AM status back. so why not game the system and take the cash since its so easy to get am status back.

I suspect it was a case of either not thinking it through completely, or not researching the rules thoroughly enough. It was a "C" tier doubles event that he cashed at. Not that it changes anything.

Sucks for him...

All of you 619'ers quit your complaining and come up to Oregon and play, we are used to being underrated across the nation anyways so forget about your ego and player rating and just bring your game. Come and play the Beaver State Fling either this year or next, enjoy the beautiful courses and the smooth running tournament due to the hard work of Cris and Teresa Bellinger and their Crew. By the way, Milo loves Player Ratings it chews then up and spits them out, especially if you received your rating playing on easy courses! :D

Ryan don't worry about Adam, its been fixed already by the TD. As far as AM Baggers you may have the highest rating going into the Fling but Tim Skellenger last year had the highest rating of AM's who played in the BSF after the July update, 972. He stayed AM until worlds last year and then turned Pro. Maybe you will too!

Can't wait for the backlash

Typically a player has to at least wait one year after cashing before the Competition Director will approve a petition to reclassify as an amateur. I've approved 2 people who accepted cash, waited only 1 year, then reclassified. In both instances, they were players who wish they hadn't accepted the cash a few months after fact, and both players were rated 910 or below. Both cashed in Masters in very small C-Tiers, and one of those was a doubles event where he received like $25. No one has turned pro again after I've reclassifed them, at least not to my knowledge, and most of those players are players who were decent players long ago, but whose skills have diminished through disuse or just plain age. Players are not taking advantage of the reclassification system to get one cash and then reclassify. Whether it's easy to reclassify or not is unimportant. All of the players I've reclassified had good reason to not be pros.

John Chapman
PDGA Competituion Director

hmmm... i know a guy who cashed as a Masters in a rather large B tier in november 2004, then played in the 2005 Am worlds after getting his am status back. it took well less than one year - in fact it took barely six months. maybe someone else approved that status change?

wow, the rare double post

Correct me if I am wrong, but if they reclassified, after taking cash, they should NOT have been able to play a World's event or an NT. Period. I don't believe the bylaws allow for that. Is that right or wrong? I do believe if they did not take cash they could though.


hmmm... i know a guy who cashed as a Masters in a rather large B tier in november 2004, then played in the 2005 Am worlds after getting his am status back. it took well less than one year - in fact it took barely six months. maybe else approved that status change?

i dont know. i've always had the perception that its more of a whatever-the-person-making-the-decision-feels-like-at-the-time kind of thing.

I am not sure where to find it but I am 99.9% certian that if you are reclassified to AM then you are once again able to play Am Majors etc.

I believe the rule you are thinking of is the Pro's playing Am rule.

Mens Open players who have cashed and are rated less than 955 can play as amateurs in the Advanced division, except for Majors.

I would believe that if you are completely reclassified as an amateur, it would be like you "never were a pro" and that you could again play Amateur Majors.

All of you 619'ers quit your complaining and come up to Oregon and play, we are used to being underrated across the nation anyways so forget about your ego and player rating and just bring your game. By the way, Milo loves Player Ratings it chews then up and spits them out, especially if you received your rating playing on easy courses! :D


Didn't we play a round at my home course Emerald Isle? Because I remember you saying that hole 2 was hard, so was 3, and 4, oh 5 too, etc...And my rating comes from sucking all over the country, not just in 6|9. :eek: :D



Can't wait for the backlash



I don't know about backlashes, but how about whiplash from me stopping that tirade, oh yeah...You have to have a spine to suffer whiplash :eek: :D

I am not sure where to find it but I am 99.9% certian that if you are reclassified to AM then you are once again able to play Am Majors etc.



There is supposed to be a waiting period (1 or 2 years) before you are able to play in a major once reclassified.

It figures that a "Texan" would "Bend" the rule....

Not the first time in my 16 years Ive seen that..........

Not that I hate Texans, BUT in my years Ive caught 4 people cheating....3 were from Texas.. :p :mad:

You must be right. I had thought it was in the Tour Standard '06, under Reclassification, but I just went back and re-read it and I was wrong. I believe it came from some correspondance years back. Would it not make since that if a player cashed, even if they reclassified to Am, that they should be restricted from NT and World Events? I guess it is just my interpretiation.


I believe the rule you are thinking of is the Pro's playing Am rule.

Mens Open players who have cashed and are rated less than 955 can play as amateurs in the Advanced division, except for Majors.

I would believe that if you are completely reclassified as an amateur, it would be like you "never were a pro" and that you could again play Amateur Majors.

I think the old rules (the actual Rule Book) prevented Pros reclassified as Ams from playing Worlds. The new Rule Book throws the entire "Player Classification" section over to the Competetion Director.

Does anyone have an old rule book handy?

Magilla where did you get the one year wait thing from? I don't remember ever reading that.

Typically a player has to at least wait one year after cashing before the Competition Director will approve a petition to reclassify as an amateur. I've approved 2 people who accepted cash, waited only 1 year, then reclassified. In both instances, they were players who wish they hadn't accepted the cash a few months after fact, and both players were rated 910 or below. Both cashed in Masters in very small C-Tiers, and one of those was a doubles event where he received like $25. No one has turned pro again after I've reclassifed them, at least not to my knowledge, and most of those players are players who were decent players long ago, but whose skills have diminished through disuse or just plain age. Players are not taking advantage of the reclassification system to get one cash and then reclassify. Whether it's easy to reclassify or not is unimportant. All of the players I've reclassified had good reason to not be pros.

John Chapman
PDGA Competituion Director




Question..........

If a Pro has an Am as a pertner in a "Open" doubles event...

Can the "Pro" accept the cash that his partner, "The Am", won?????

I am not sure where to find it but I am 99.9% certian that if you are reclassified to AM then you are once again able to play Am Majors etc.



There is supposed to be a waiting period (1 or 2 years) before you are able to play in a major once reclassified.

It figures that a "Texan" would "Bend" the rule....

Not the first time in my 16 years Ive seen that..........

Not that I hate Texans, BUT in my years Ive caught 4 people cheating....3 were from Texas.. :p :mad:



Blah, you are just jealous of Texas since we get to play all year long :)

From the old PDGA rule book:

804.08 (I):
Request for Reclassification: A player may request reclassification to a lower division by petitioning the PDGA Competition director. If lower classification is granted, the player may not compete in the lower division for 60 days.


There is no mention of Majors in that section. 804.08 (H) does state that players who are eligible to play Am Worlds are " Current PDGA members registered in an Amateur division who have not relinquished their amatuer status", it doesnt say anything about reclassified players but you could assume reclassified players are ineligible since they have at some point relinquished amatuer status. It also states " A player registered in a professional division who has not accepted prize money in a sanctioned tournament at any time and who was registered in an amatuer division the immediatly preceeding year is eligible to play".

Guess it all depends on your interpretation. But I would like to point out that Magilla just makes up rules like " 1-2 year wait" Is that how all you Oregon cheaters cheat, by just making up fake rules?? j/k :)

It figures that a "Texan" would "Bend" the rule....

Not the first time in my 16 years Ive seen that..........

Not that I hate Texans, BUT in my years Ive caught 4 people cheating....3 were from Texas.. :p :mad:



How funny, I have been playing 26 to 27 years. I have heard of many people cheating from East to West Coast, North to South and the only person I ever caught, out and out cheating, was from California. Not that I hate people from California. I even lived there for several years and one of my children was born there. :p

My friends tex-wife cheated on him, she was from Texas.

It figures that a "Texan" would "Bend" the rule....

Not the first time in my 16 years Ive seen that..........

Not that I hate Texans, BUT in my years Ive caught 4 people cheating....3 were from Texas.. :p :mad:



How funny, I have been playing 26 to 27 years. I have heard of many people cheating from East to West Coast, North to South and the only person I ever caught, out and out cheating, was from California. Not that I hate people from California. I even lived there for several years and one of my children was born there. :p

was it Rhett? sure sounds like him. the cheater i mean, not your kid. :D

I am not sure where to find it but I am 99.9% certian that if you are reclassified to AM then you are once again able to play Am Majors etc.



There is supposed to be a waiting period (1 or 2 years) before you are able to play in a major once reclassified.

It figures that a "Texan" would "Bend" the rule....

Not the first time in my 16 years Ive seen that..........

Not that I hate Texans, BUT in my years Ive caught 4 people cheating....3 were from Texas.. :p :mad:



Blah, you are just jealous of Texas since we get to play all year long :)

From the old PDGA rule book:

804.08 (I):
Request for Reclassification: A player may request reclassification to a lower division by petitioning the PDGA Competition director. If lower classification is granted, the player may not compete in the lower division for 60 days.


There is no mention of Majors in that section. 804.08 (H) does state that players who are eligible to play Am Worlds are " Current PDGA members registered in an Amateur division who have not relinquished their amatuer status", it doesnt say anything about reclassified players but you could assume reclassified players are ineligible since they have at some point relinquished amatuer status. It also states " A player registered in a professional division who has not accepted prize money in a sanctioned tournament at any time and who was registered in an amatuer division the immediatly preceeding year is eligible to play".

Guess it all depends on your interpretation. But I would like to point out that Magilla just makes up rules like " 1-2 year wait" Is that how all you Oregon cheaters cheat, by just making up fake rules?? j/k :)



Easy now..The rule actually states (now that Ive looked it up) That a reclassified player may not play in a Major IN THE YEAR that they are reclassified. So it could be 1 month or 12 months depending on when the "Reclassification" takes place...... :p


So I guess the "Texan" was NOT cheating.........this time :p
:D

hmmm... i know a guy who cashed as a Masters in a rather large B tier in november 2004, then played in the 2005 Am worlds after getting his am status back. it took well less than one year - in fact it took barely six months. maybe someone else approved that status change?



Jack Tabor's winnings in 2004 were the result of a series bonus that should not have been reported as PDGA winnings. All of the Texas 10 events are unsanctioned, except for the final. Chris has always reported the series bonuses as part of the overall purse for the final, and we've always tried to take those bonuses out of the results for the single event, but a few of those always sneak through the cracks. You'll notice that 2 other people tied for 16th in that event did NOT get paid. I'll see if I can get Dave to remove the winnings from the d-base. The main point is, Jack did not win $57 for finishing 16th in the Texas 10 final, which was the only PDGA sanctioned part of the Texas 10 tour. He gained $57 for his finish in the Texas 10 overall, which was unsanctioned.

And your math is bad. Am Worlds was nearly 9 months after this event, not 6. Not that that makes any difference in this case.

Chap

I think the old rules (the actual Rule Book) prevented Pros reclassified as Ams from playing Worlds. The new Rule Book throws the entire "Player Classification" section over to the Competetion Director.

Does anyone have an old rule book handy?

Magilla where did you get the one year wait thing from? I don't remember ever reading that.



There was never a one-year waiting period, that I am aware of, for playing in an Am Worlds or any major after reclassificiation. There used to be a 60-day waiting period for playing in any non-majors after reclassification. That is now gone. It really doesn't make much sense. If it's been decided that a player should be allowed to reclassify, why should we make him wait 60 days? Also, PDGA HQ doesn't have to keep track of those 60 days. Basically, it didn't make sense, so the BoD got rid of the waiting period.

There used to be a rule in an old version of the rules book that prohibited any amateurs that previously had taken cash in a PDGA event from ever playing in Am Worlds. Forever and ever. The BoD changed that rule, also. It seemed kind of silly to keep someone out of Am Worlds because they took $15 back in 1992 in a doubles tournament that they didn't even know was sanctioned. This actually happened some back in the old days. We had to bar Ned Smethers in 1999 from playing Am Worlds because he took $15 in a doubles event in Cincinnati in like 1992. He just thought it was a local league type event, and he would have turned down the cash if he knew it would have affected his eligiiblity for Am Worlds.

Basically, it's very simple now. If you've been reclassified as an amateur, you are able to play as an amateur in any division you qualify for, and that eligibility is immediate. That goes for any PDGA event, major or non-major.

Chap

thats a good clarification, thanks. since he actually refers to it as "taking cash", you can understand the source of my confusion.

just to make a point about the math, i assume he didnt apply for reinstatement immediately after the event. if he waited until re-upping it might easily have been in 2005 and approx 6 months from worlds. either way, like you said, it doesnt matter in this case.

If I recall, he did it prior to Piney Woods. He started process about a week after the event.

I think the old rules (the actual Rule Book) prevented Pros reclassified as Ams from playing Worlds. The new Rule Book throws the entire "Player Classification" section over to the Competetion Director.

Does anyone have an old rule book handy?

Magilla where did you get the one year wait thing from? I don't remember ever reading that.



There was never a one-year waiting period, that I am aware of, for playing in an Am Worlds or any major after reclassificiation. There used to be a 60-day waiting period for playing in any non-majors after reclassification. That is now gone. It really doesn't make much sense. If it's been decided that a player should be allowed to reclassify, why should we make him wait 60 days? Also, PDGA HQ doesn't have to keep track of those 60 days. Basically, it didn't make sense, so the BoD got rid of the waiting period.

There used to be a rule in an old version of the rules book that prohibited any amateurs that previously had taken cash in a PDGA event from ever playing in Am Worlds. Forever and ever. The BoD changed that rule, also. It seemed kind of silly to keep someone out of Am Worlds because they took $15 back in 1992 in a doubles tournament that they didn't even know was sanctioned. This actually happened some back in the old days. We had to bar Ned Smethers in 1999 from playing Am Worlds because he took $15 in a doubles event in Cincinnati in like 1992. He just thought it was a local league type event, and he would have turned down the cash if he knew it would have affected his eligiiblity for Am Worlds.

Basically, it's very simple now. If you've been reclassified as an amateur, you are able to play as an amateur in any division you qualify for, and that eligibility is immediate. That goes for any PDGA event, major or non-major.

Chap



OK Now as I look EVEN further.........

On the PDGA.com website.under the Members tab. "Divisions, Ratings, etc..." Doc

On the bottom of the Doc it states that A Reclassified Player CAN NOT play in a Major "In the Year that they are Reclassified"

NOW, I see where that DOC is actually from 2005..NOT 2006
I cant find the 2006 anywhere on the site, BUT I do have one from my TD Package.

On that DOC those words are OMITTED..

SOOO, I guess now if you are reclassified you COULD /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif go win Worlds in the same Year.. :eek:

:D

SOOO, I guess now if you are reclassified you COULD /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif go win Worlds in the same Year.. :eek:


I don't think so. You have to shoot Cashing Open Pro caliber golf to get into the final-9 and win Am Worlds (it's been that way forever), so it would be very unlikely that someone shooting that level of golf would get reclassified to am status.

Didn't we play a round at my home course Emerald Isle? Because I remember you saying that hole 2 was hard, so was 3, and 4, oh 5 too, etc...And my rating comes from sucking all over the country, not just in 6|9. :eek: :D


For Emeralde Isle those were some of the tougher holes on the course, not really limiting your shot but good use of what is available to the designer. I personnally didn't think Emerald Isle was a tough course, Strategic, challenging and fun Yes! But after playing there several times I could manage the difficulties.


I don't know about backlashes, but how about whiplash from me stopping that tirade, oh yeah...You have to have a spine to suffer whiplash :eek: :D



Tirade, now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! I drove 16 hours after working 12 and I still played three rounds on your course before going to bed, lets see you make the same trip north and then will talk about having a spine
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I personnally didn't think Emerald Isle was a tough course, Strategic, challenging and fun Yes! But after playing there several times I could manage the difficulties.



Manage the difficulties? That's a happy sunshine thought, how about you scoring under par...That's a difficulty to manage. :D


I drove 16 hours after working 12 and I still played three rounds on your course before going to bed, lets see you make the same trip north and talk about having a spine



No problem, I have a car and driver. Is there a Chiropractor's conference up there? I would love to be the keynote speaker on the subject of spines, I charge $50,000 per appearance :D

No problem, I have a car and driver. Is there a Chiropractor's conference up there? I would love to be the keynote speaker on the subject of spines, I charge $50,000 per appearance :D



Sweet that 50K ought to just get you here in gas, what do you guys pay down there now like 1k a gallon or something, better rent a Prius so you can make sure you leave some money here in Oregon after you go back down to the Depths of 619. :D

Word.

Sweet that 50K ought to just get you here in gas, what do you guys pay down there now like 1k a gallon or something, better rent a Prius so you can make sure you leave some money here in Oregon after you go back down to the Depths of 619. :D



All of us in SoCal are filthy rich though. Gas is a status symbol, the more you pay for it, the better you are than everyone else. So when I tell people that I just paid $3.75 a gallon it's essentially the same thing as saying, "I am rich and you aren't, neener neener!" That's how we roll in SoCal!

When I tell people that I just paid $3.75 a gallon it's essentially the same thing as saying, "I am rich and you aren't, neener neener!" That's how we roll in SoCal!



I take the bus everywhere. What bus do I catch to Santa Barbara? I have to be there by tomorrow :confused:

I take the bus everywhere. What bus do I catch to Santa Barbara? I have to be there by tomorrow :confused:


You have to take the train to get to SB. Unfortunately you had to leave yesterday.

Can I get a ride with you...I fit nicely in a trunk, just ask Guido and Tony.

Can I get a ride with you...I fit nicely in a trunk, just ask Guido and Tony.


I have a Sante Fe. i.e., no trunk. Sorry.

What about the roof racks? I'm crashing on your hotel room floor anyway.

Didn't we play a round at my home course Emerald Isle? Because I remember you saying that hole 2 was hard, so was 3, and 4, oh 5 too, etc...And my rating comes from sucking all over the country, not just in 6|9. :eek: :D




http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/flash_25296/Disc%20Golf/DSC03278.jpg
Maybe we should ask Ryan if hole 4 is hard he seems to be concentrating to his maximum

What are the rating limitations for the different divisions?
I pretty sure that adv is <955. isn't INT <915?

Int is under 915 but Advanced does not have a high limit as long as you are still playing as an Am. Pros with ratings over 954 cannot enter Advanced or their ratings equivalent am division.