Does anyone know the date of the 2006 Cha-Ching and Zing at Zebulon? Will there be one this year?

Does anyone know the date of the 2006 Cha-Ching and Zing at Zebulon? Will there be one this year?

It is usually always on cuTT's birthday.

its traditionally the first weekend in july

its traditionally the first weekend in july

that is what I typed, isn't it.

yeah but he doesnt know that

Everyone knows that.

the big question is is there going to be one?

if mansy doesn't do it, ill be glad to run it.

great tournament on a great course!

The question is can you Raise the MONEY that Mansy does.

I could raise a lot (theres a really simply way to raise money for a tournament but tournaments are usually greedy), but probably not as much as he does.

How?

Will cutt make it this year

How?



It's actually quite simple. You determine how much you made off the ams in your tournament and apply it to the purse.

A good (not flat) payout for ams with a decent entry fee can net you 500-750 dollars in added cash.

You just have to be willing to not make any money, which most tournaments do not want to do.

As an Am myself, that's sad to hear. Some tournaments take my wholesale dollars and give out retail discs. Usually when discs are given out they aren't even what I'm looking for, but I still end up being forced a disc I don't need at a retail cost. I think ams should play for their entry (For Real) as well as all other divisions. I understand and agree that pros promote the sport, but that doesn't have to come at the cost of advanced or intermediate divisions. They too promote the sport. Leave the purses in the divisions they were originated. Let the fundraising and sponsorship be put into whichever division the TD sees fit. What if TD's scraped the pro purse to have a fat payout for intermediates...mutiny on the bounty, huh boys!

As an Am myself, that's sad to hear. Some tournaments take my wholesale dollars and give out retail discs. Usually when discs are given out they aren't even what I'm looking for, but I still end up being forced a disc I don't need at a retail cost. I think ams should play for their entry (For Real) as well as all other divisions. I understand and agree that pros promote the sport, but that doesn't have to come at the cost of advanced or intermediate divisions. They too promote the sport. Leave the purses in the divisions they were originated. Let the fundraising and sponsorship be put into whichever division the TD sees fit. What if TD's scraped the pro purse to have a fat payout for intermediates...mutiny on the bounty, huh boys!



I think that you totally misunderstood and misread my post.

I said that this could even be done with a good amatuer payout (not flat). You don;t take anything out of the amatuers purse, you take the profit you make from the amatuers (BIG difference).

It's quite simple how it works - if you have 50 ams total at 25 dollars a head (in money going to entry fees), thats 1250 dollars of money. So you pay out a total of 1250 dollars in plastic / other merch.

But since you are charging what everyone else does (meaning 7 for dx, 10 for pro, 13 for champ, 15 for star, 20 for CFR and probably around 75 for a skillshot and 150 for a discatcher pro), you make money b/c you don't pay that amount for the items. Therefore, you have 1250 dollars in cash and only probably around 700 dollars in dues to Innova or whoever else you decide to buy from. Most clubs / TD's keep this money. Trust me, you can make a killing by doing it this way and no one would even realize it b/c the payout was good.

When I ran a PDGA event, I paid out three baskets and set up a merch tent (where ams were given prize vouchers and could get whatever they wanted)

After adding money to both am purses to cover the baskets, paying for 3 club members entry fees to the tournament (which was like 100 bux), refunding myself for the PDGA sanctioning agreement, adding 250 bux for a 9 hole skins match, adding money to the womens purse and spending roughly 125 dollars on trophy discs, I still made 540 dollars.

Trust me, I run a good tournament b/c I'm not in it to make money. Hopefully, sometime in the near future, everyone will get to see how a tournament is ran that isn't about making money, but pleaseing the players.

When clubs run tournaments (like RADL) I have absolutly no problem with the money that is made. ITs when invidiuals run tournaments and then give crap payouts - it's just bull.


And just for the record, the 540 dollars was used to pay for a basket, tee sign and 2 concrete tees at the Meadow, the new course in Greenville.

And the skins money was not made from the tournament but from selling of merchandise through the year...and some cool sponsors idea :cool:

Hopefully, sometime in the near future, everyone will get to see how a tournament is ran that isn't about making money, but pleaseing the players.



I also want to add that many many many many many tournaments are going towards this route - Hickory, Asheville, High Point and Greenville just to name a few.

And the skins money was not made from the tournament but from selling of merchandise through the year...and some cool sponsors idea :cool:



I still call that the Screw ECU deal - lol!

What I meant by making 540 dollars was this - I spent every penny I had raised for the club on the tournament. When the tournament started, our balance was honestly 0. After the check was written to the pro winners and Innova, our account had 540 dollars in it.

If I had not decided to add the 250, it would be 790. If I had not added money to the womens, etc....this could go on and on.

One more thing - If you came to my tournament, please speak up and let everyone know how much stuff I gave out etc. I'm really trying to prove a point that if tournaments didn't want to make money, it would be amazing how much money could be added to a purse (in all divisions)

At the Frizzak Open 2 weeks ago, we were given a star wraith, a disc voucher for $10 (retail), a towel, and 3 stickers...valued at $40? And the winner of the 22 player field got a $35 voucher.? Come play 14 hr.s and if you do good, you win 2 discs...but first you need to give $40 for a disc we will choose, and another pro-line of your choice with a towel, and some worthless stickers. Not very inspiring for Am attendace. I don't mean to single out the Frizzak as they are one of many, just my most recent attendance. Hopefully all will be able to take this objectively rather than subjectively. Robert, for someone to pay Retail price for anything, it better be at their discretion. If something is assumingly forced on them it's just not right to charge them retail. At the cost of what? Attendance?

This isn't a personal attack on anyone, it's merely and exposure to an idea of equality among divisions. Pro's aren't paid out in Retail dollars, are they?

I completly agree with you - I use to hate it when I was given a stack of discs. Once again, you didn't read what I said.

I set up a merch tent and ams were given vouchers. This tent had 20th Century Gold Champion avairs one month after they were released, T shirts, towells, minis and pretty much every disc you could think of at the time that was popular.

I was an am for over 12 years - I know what they want and they don't want. Trust me when I say the ams were freakin hooked up at my tournament (freakin 2nd place in advanced got a basket and still had like 30 bux in merch to spend - and thats SECOND!!!!!)

MTL...thanks for the mention of the DEPC as a good tournament...
The event he ran was done well and he gave out a fair amount of stuff. Also ifyou did not know, he was the only person doing all the work for that event for the most part and getting all the money.
Save this post since it was a serious compliment from me to Tizzle :cool:

This isn't a personal attack on anyone, it's merely and exposure to an idea of equality among divisions. Pro's aren't paid out in Retail dollars, are they?



Pros are paid in money put in the purse. In theory heres how the payout works. The PDGA gives you a payout chart and tells you how many to payout basked on your tier, amount of added cash, and number of entrants.

Each place is then given a pecentange. These percentages obviously add up to 100. You take your entry fees applied to payout and add your added cash and then multiply the total by the percentage given for each spot.

This can be kinda tough, so in the PDGA TD excel sheet, this is automatically calcualted for you.

PullCarts,
You won't find an event that pays out ams in wholesale. We paid out ams with merchandise vouchers and it was retail value (mind you it was a fair and more than ample scale). We also gave out players packs (to all divisions) that did not come out of players pockets. Clubs need ways to make money to help support and run. New courses just don't pop up so some money needs to come from somewhere. I have never agreed with feed the pros from the ams, but making some profit for the host club is not a bad thing.

MTL...thanks for the mention of the DEPC as a good tournament...




we should be thanking you for the awesome tournament. In all honesty, if I wasn;t invovled with GVDG, I still would never miss this tournament. And that's just the truth.

In MTL's defense just to prove his point, i was playing intermediate at the time and came in 8th sad sad sad 8th place in my opinion, and still walked away with like 30 bucks in merchandise, and the field wasnt that big so i think i got paid out great for what in my opinion was poor play.

Back to the question presented in the first post....

The 2006 gniZ & gnihC-ahC will be the first weekend in July and will be run by David Mansfield.

For those of you that are calendar challenged that is July 1st and 2nd.

Kirk

Back to the question presented in the first post....

The 2006 gniZ & gnihC-ahC will be the first weekend in July and will be run by David Mansfield.

For those of you that are calendar challenged that is July 1st and 2nd.

Kirk



sweet - glad to see he is stepping up and running it again.

Pullcarts,

Here goes: "Tirade on"

Here is a novel approach....Ams shouldn't be paid out in merchandise at all. Try any other sport and find out that Ams get a players package of some sort and you play for a trophy (that is a trophy only). All cash profit from Ams goes to the Pro purse. Disc Golfers are spoiled by a system that rewards Ams with products of cash value.

No offense but you and many others are spoiled by our current system. Technically if you have ever won a disc you are not an Am. In many sports if you win anything that is easily converted to cash (in our sport that would be...discs, bags, baskets, etc.) then you are not an Am.

Now the fact that an event (whether it is run by a club or an individual) buys product at wholesale and pays it out to the Ams at retail shouldn't be an issue. Now here is why, it is a lot of work to run an event. Even if you have lots of volunteers from your local club, it is a lot of work. So, if an individual makes a profit from it then they deserve it.

Please try running an event before you spout off that you should be able to get your payout at wholesale.

I will end this by saying it sounds like whining to me when you say you get a disc you don't want or don't throw in your "payout" (Am and payout??? they should be mutually exclusive but in our sport they are not!!!). Holy crap....what an inconvenience. Have you ever thought that you could, at a later time, trade that disc in to your local club? Or possibly trade it to someone with an over-abundance of discs? Or sell it to another Am? Or, and here is the big one, give it away to a beginner?

Now, I am certain that you are going to try to argue with me but let me assure you that you shouldn't bother. You can't possibly come up with a compelling argument that wouldn�t sound like you are whining again.

�Tirade off�

Kirk

Thanks Captain. That's just what I wanted to know so that we can plan a date for the 8th Great 8. Maybe you'll join us this year! ;)

Lowe

At the Frizzak Open 2 weeks ago, we were given a star wraith, a disc voucher for $10 (retail), a towel, and 3 stickers...valued at $40? And the winner of the 22 player field got a $35 voucher.? Come play 14 hr.s and if you do good, you win 2 discs...but first you need to give $40 for a disc we will choose, and another pro-line of your choice with a towel, and some worthless stickers. Not very inspiring for Am attendace.



A couple of things:

1) Get used to this sort of payout. This is the way the PDGA is encouraging things to go. Bigger % goes to players packs, smaller to payout, and a flatter payout curve. The definition of amateurism is playing for the love of the game (and not for other motivations...like the love of gambling for other people's entry fees). This model acknowledges that to some degree.

2) This event sold out. There were 90 players, 46 of them Pro's! This is amazing, astounding really, at Renny where we have struggled to get fields over 60 in the past. The FriZZaks' stated intent from the get go was to put on a good Pro tournament. I believe it was intended to be a Pro-only event until some wise folks advised that Ams are good to help meet the desired payout (for reasons already discussed here). They were true to their intent. The CDGC handled the Am's side of things. (So, aim your criticism our way, not the FriZZaks'. And, I did read your post and believe you when you say you are bing constructive. Thanks. I take your post that way.)

3) It is not inspiring to get little when you are used to a different model where you get a lot. However, I think the Am's who placed in the bottom 3rd might feel differently than those in the top 3rd. We'll see next year how inspiring the event was to Ams by how many show up. My guess is that most found plenty of inspiration in the course, competition and camaraderie to want to return (even if promised a worse players pack and payout).

dave...
CDGC Board Member

I believe that the original idea behind a am payout was the fact that there was no other way to get "discs". Now we can get them anywhere. The frizzak players pack seems pretty good, I have payed the same for less with an almost equil payout. Besides if you play just to win stuff then your missing the true fun of this game.

If you don't like playing for retail merch, just play as a pro. IF you win any cash, you can then go and BUY anything you want AT RETAIL PRICE :p I don't think you realize just how good you have it.

In my personal opinion for what its worth, winning merchandise is good and all, but the main thrill i get out of this game is constantly trying to get better, watching your friends get better, and challenging each other to play that much better, just the fun of bragging to your friends if you beat them is good to me, i honestly just love the fun of the competition and hanging out with friends that i have learned are really good friends you can make playing this game. So if you win some merchandise consider it a bonus to all the stuff you are already getting, and if you dont win anything, go practice with yoru buddies till you do. either way, if you are not having fun then you must be playing this game wrong

Please try running an event before you spout off that you should be able to get your payout at wholesale.

I will end this by saying it sounds like whining to me



Get 'em Kirk. Well put. Quit whining and step up.

must chime in...

it's a double standard. Ams get paid in merch which is pretty much cash given how easy it is to redeem it. So everyone is getting paid in cash one way or another. The pro divisions are paid out 100% (or higher), how often do you see added cash to ams... AM divisions are paid out (depending on the deal you get from retailers/donations) anywhere from 70 to 80% (or lower, possibly).

So why do we pay out one division with no profit and another with a 20% profit?

Not withstanding a TD making a profit (entitled yes), with a 100% payout how does a TD afford to keep running the tournament every year?

Don't even get me started on trophys.

As a comparision, PGA tour events, the players entry fees are donated to charity (100%) and all of the purse is sponsership dollars. Now there's a lot more money available, but playing for your entry fee is basically gambling (am or pro), perhaps it would encourage more sponsership if entry fees were not part of the purse just sponsership money.

forgot my other point.

Why is is that when the payout is posted and players see it it's the pros that complain that the payout isn't 100%

Are the majority of ams naive enough to think TDs pay full retail for merch?

Now there are some bad Tds out there (gilligan changing the payout after a tie is discovered) (gross overvaluation of merch in order to pad a skins tourney the next day)

But there are also some great TDs out there, and contrary to what people may think MTL understands the economics of a tournament and runs a fair yet profitable event, and there are others, Maceman, Sunking etc I don't begrudge them a cent b/c they put on a good event and are upfront about what they charge.

The pro divisions are paid out 100% (or higher), how often do you see added cash to ams... AM divisions are paid out (depending on the deal you get from retailers/donations) anywhere from 70 to 80% (or lower, possibly).

So why do we pay out one division with no profit and another with a 20% profit?






Just wanted to point out again that at my tournament, cash was added to ALL divisions. The extra money for the advanced was put towards 2 baskets and for the int. put towards another basket.

Also, I do know that this comment was not directed at me, but since I am responsible for this super thread drift, just wanted to clarify.

Also just to clarify about the FriZZak Open:
Am Payout was 127% of entry fees
Pro Payout was 133% of entry fees

I do not know the exact numbers, but by my calculations, about $1200 was added to cover PDGA sanctioning, insurance, PDGA player fees and added cash.

After all was said and done, the CDGC still made a profit. (And....we need as much money as we can raise to support the incredible amount of course work going on and work that is planned.)

What you witnessed was basically A-Tier payouts for B-Tier prices!

I bring this up as a concrete example of how a well run tournament can excede PDGA Tour Standards.

I thought Ams played tournaments to guage thier skills against other beginners and top pros in the area.

really? i played for plastic and baskets

LOL....but REALly though. Did our player packs suck...Its too late now, but i thought they were pretty good. And i did warn the ams that the best part was the harris teeter bag.

hehe, teeter.

Yes MTL, you ran the best tournament in the history of tournaments, now let it go. There has never been a better tournament ever. You put the USDGC to shame. SHAME!! Yes you added stuff to every division, yes the people were happy, but I'm really sick of hearing you tout your own tournament.
FriZZak, in their first attempt, paid out over 100% to pro and AM, so where's the problem?
So, who's all going to the cha-ching and zing? Since this is what this thread is about, and NOT MTL's off the chart amazing show stopping tournament that put all others to shame. SHAME!!!

^^^^^^^ That was hilarious, I was waiting for our witty Fondelcoloradosaks to retort to MTL's self accolades. By the way the Ween was doo-doo brown last week, have fun at RR.

The Frizzak tourney was awesome! Thanks for putting it on, I can't wait for PB. And tournies just wont be the same without the weejuns.

duBBs

I'm hoping they'll turn the redrocks brown! Ween, Lips, and that other band I can never remember...hooha!
duBBs, come visit! The Ween tix on eBay are insane, over $200 just for a pair! I should have bought 50 and eBay's the crap out of them.

I've never hit a cha-ching and zing, and unfortunately, will be unable to this year as well. Love the course.

hehe, teeter.

Yes MTL, you ran the best tournament in the history of tournaments, now let it go. There has never been a better tournament ever. You put the USDGC to shame. SHAME!! Yes you added stuff to every division, yes the people were happy, but I'm really sick of hearing you tout your own tournament.
FriZZak, in their first attempt, paid out over 100% to pro and AM, so where's the problem?
So, who's all going to the cha-ching and zing? Since this is what this thread is about, and NOT MTL's off the chart amazing show stopping tournament that put all others to shame. SHAME!!!



never in my life have I ever met someone who liked to attack me like you do.

I am for promotion of the sport and thought by bringing up a point that tournaments makes lots of cash when they could be helping the players (like USDGC, MSDGC, and yeah the FriZZaks) they could run some awesome tournaments. This is why I mentioned tournaments that were doing this. Please read what I say before you attack me again please.

This seems to be a trend on the message board - take what MTL says then turn and twist it around into something that makes me look bad.

Just as a helpful scale to help me budget tournament fees this summer, what was the pro entry fee for last years event (rough estimate will work fine). I want to play since I will be in NC, just have to pick and choose events, unless someone wants to just give me money :cool:

it was ike 70 - 75 dollars - and the payout was very good, but only 1/3 of the field was paid (meaning 8). 9 players were rated over 990 in the tournament.

I personally don't like the top heavy pay scale (btw Mitch, I didn't use that at my tournament - I know you are curious) b/c it turns players away from tournaemnts (I'm sure someone will interpept that as I don't people to attend this tournament).

For YOUR information MTL, I don't like top heavy payouts either, and I wasn't curious if yours had that. Knowing you, you'd pay fairly flat and even. I've never liked top heavy payouts. Maybe I would if my name was Barry, or Kenny, or Schweb but it isn't. I only 'attack' you because you constantly set yourself up for it, then get defensive. You don't need me to make you look bad :)
Yes you do a lot for the sport and it's greately appreciated universally. I don't know of anyone that thinks you do nothing for the sport. I just can't stand your personality but hey, I'm honest. I read everything you write before I comment because if I didn't, then I'd be like half of the posters on this site. What did I twist around of yours? If you're going to accuse me of something, back it up. You DO tote your tournament as one of the best ever run because of the payouts, prizes, fun, blah blah. Good for you, you ran a great event that left tons of smiles on people's faces. But let it go or run another. I'm sure there's 50+ people that would love to show up to another MTL brand event. Not kidding either, run another!

For YOUR information MTL, I don't like top heavy payouts either, and I wasn't curious if yours had that. Knowing you, you'd pay fairly flat and even. I've never liked top heavy payouts. Maybe I would if my name was Barry, or Kenny, or Schweb but it isn't. I only 'attack' you because you constantly set yourself up for it, then get defensive. You don't need me to make you look bad :)
Yes you do a lot for the sport and it's greately appreciated universally. I don't know of anyone that thinks you do nothing for the sport. I just can't stand your personality but hey, I'm honest. I read everything you write before I comment because if I didn't, then I'd be like half of the posters on this site. What did I twist around of yours? If you're going to accuse me of something, back it up. You DO tote your tournament as one of the best ever run because of the payouts, prizes, fun, blah blah. Good for you, you ran a great event that left tons of smiles on people's faces. But let it go or run another. I'm sure there's 50+ people that would love to show up to another MTL brand event. Not kidding either, run another!

I dont like TOP Heavy payouts.

I hate skazzirf......and their little van too.
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For YOUR information MTL, I don't like top heavy payouts either, and I wasn't curious if yours had that. Knowing you, you'd pay fairly flat and even. I've never liked top heavy payouts. Maybe I would if my name was Barry, or Kenny, or Schweb but it isn't. I only 'attack' you because you constantly set yourself up for it, then get defensive. You don't need me to make you look bad :)
Yes you do a lot for the sport and it's greately appreciated universally. I don't know of anyone that thinks you do nothing for the sport. I just can't stand your personality but hey, I'm honest. I read everything you write before I comment because if I didn't, then I'd be like half of the posters on this site. What did I twist around of yours? If you're going to accuse me of something, back it up. You DO tote your tournament as one of the best ever run because of the payouts, prizes, fun, blah blah. Good for you, you ran a great event that left tons of smiles on people's faces. But let it go or run another. I'm sure there's 50+ people that would love to show up to another MTL brand event. Not kidding either, run another!



First of all, I realize that my personality attracts as many people as it pushes away, probably more of the latter. But that is who I am, and I love being who I am. You may not like me, but no one can say I am fake - I hate fake people b/c they are usually insecure and don't like who they are.

As for what you twisted, I just think you interpreted all of this as MTL touting his own horn or me thinking that I'm better than everyone else. I was just simply answer a question that Schweb asked, how could I raise money very simply.

When people don't believe me, I use my tournament as an example. I was SHOCKED at how much money I made - so I know my reaction to seeing that huge amount of money would probably the same to someone else who didn't know. Then Carter totally misintrepred (well it looked like he didnt even read what I said to be honest) and I had to defend my point.

That's how all of this started, not me talking big about my tournament. I've been to probably 50 different PDGA events, most of which 2 or more times, and I wouldn't even rank mine in the top 10 to be honest.

I hate skazzirf......and their little van too.
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I miss that little van :(

Go back and check the numbers last year JJ, Cahill, BS and lyself all played 990+ golf and missed the money. I have never played in a tournement that well in a tourney before and missed cash. If my score had been in previous years I would have been DEEP in the cash.

Go back and check the numbers last year JJ, Cahill, BS and lyself all played 990+ golf and missed the money. I have never played in a tournement that well in a tourney before and missed cash. If my score had been in previous years I would have been DEEP in the cash.

True dat Natroneous, ......you need to change your location on your Profile.

You may not like me, but no one can say I am fake - I hate fake people b/c they are usually insecure and don't like who they are.

word, be REAL

MTL, I didn't misread your post, my post had nothing to do with you or your past tournaments. It was strictly about defining purses to divisions that generated them. Objectively

Frizzaks, the course was awesome, and the company was good. I didn't understand how the payout showed the players pack as being worth $40. A star disc-$15, $10 voucher, a towel-$3 and some stickers-$1, pdga players fee $3 brings it to $32. I don't even care about the #'s, for the principle if it's $32, call it $32.

Kirk, I consider myself semi-pro, from my knowledge all other sports are paid out in the level down from pro. I have ran an event, so does that give me the right to spout off or Tirade? Just because someone has a different opinion than you its whining? Thats convenient isn't it. No I am not snivelling about payout discs. The Dogwood for example gave us star TL's and champ Roadrunners in our players pack, they were not exchangable and it was a local club running the event. You seemed to have a hostile tone, why? This is an objective topic.

Well on to the real topic, I love the Cha Ching a Zing mainly do to the course, Zebulon is one of my faves, even though i never play what i would call good, i love the great mix of holes, i hope to see everyone there and hopefully it will not be hot as hell like it has been at the last 2. See everyone at Tarheel hopefully.

The first Chaching I played it was 100 degrees on the saturday and 98 on the sunday.

And I don't know why we have to b***h and complain about everything. I thought we played this sport because it was fun. I know I certainly do.

When I play tournies, the only thing I get from it is usually a players pack and if I get lucky a CTP. If I wanted to get plastic for placing high enough I would move back to intermediate.

Cha-Ching is a great event. Zebulon is a great course and is probably one of the bests in the area(with Bucky).

Oh and you can always trade discs out with RADL. You just need to do it when they have the box of discs.

and the flight guide 2$, and there was 2 stickers......then i took 10$ from every entry and put together a payout(payouts do not generate themselves). That equals added cash...And intermediate got the same player packs and they paid 30...I then, gave 1-5 in the inter a prize pack we generated ourselves....I gave the payout deeper than i wanted in advanced, so there fore it made it smaller on top....All profit made at the event, went directly to the CDGC...Im sorry...Maybe i should have given out tropgy discs to the top three, and added a mini to the player pack....
And BTW..We never called the player packs worth anything specific, did we? Next time we will just give a 40$ player pack and a quick five-up to the winner....principle....please.....

U guyZZ don't have to explain yourselves to anyone...
The tourney was the shiite . Some may say MtL sTaTus..

Kirk, I consider myself semi-pro, from my knowledge all other sports are paid out in the level down from pro.



<font color="red">Please give me an example of an Am sport that "pays" Ams based on their finish. I have played another sport (I have also researched many others) in both Am and Pro and DG is the only one I have seen that "pays" Ams.</font>


I have ran an event, so does that give me the right to spout off or Tirade?



<font color="red">I was unaware that you have run a PDGA event (monthlies do not have the same level of issues) and had to deal with all of the expenses. You said tournaments should pay out at wholesale, with that in mind how do you think the club (or individual) should pay for the following: PDGA sanctioning fee, insurance fee, players fees (both PDGA and NC points series), trophies, course reservation fees, ice for the water coolers, advertising in DGW (formerly DGWN), shipping and handling, custom stamping fees, minis, leaderboard cards, score cards, the leader board, golf pencils etc. etc. etc.</font>


Just because someone has a different opinion than you its whining? Thats convenient isn't it. No I am not snivelling about payout discs.



<font color="red">You certainly sounded like you were complaining about the current system of being paid out at retail.</font>


The Dogwood for example gave us star TL's and champ Roadrunners in our players pack, they were not exchangable and it was a local club running the event.



<font color="red">RADL's policy has ALWAYS been to exchange new plastic for new plastic. With an event like the Am Crosstown the volunteers are usually too tired at the end to wait for all of the exchanges that would happen. However, you can exchange discs with RADL at any time. Contact the current President (Mike Norris) for a convenient time to make the trade. Tuesday night Summer Doubles is usually the best time to make these trades.</font>


You seemed to have a hostile tone, why? This is an objective topic.



<font color="red">Because I can't tell you how many times I have heard the same thing from Ams complaining about a payout. Your post about paying out at wholesale is not practical and would not be allowed by the sales agreement with the manufacturers.

Kirk
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I didn't understand how the payout showed the players pack as being worth $40. A star disc-$15, $10 voucher, a towel-$3 and some stickers-$1, pdga players fee $3 brings it to $32. I don't even care about the #'s, for the principle if it's $32, call it $32.



FWIW, player's packs and AM payouts are calculated by a very objective standard - MSRP (Manufacturers' Suggested Retail Price). They are not based on what an arbitrary individual can find product at an arbitrary discount outlet.

Here is MSRP straight off Innova's price guide:
$16.99 - Star disc
$7.99 - towel
$6 - 3 stickers at $2 each (I did not actually see these, so I might be off here a little)
$10 - Merch certificate
$40.98 - value of players' pack (If the FriZZaks had any principals at all :othey would have reported it at $41! :D)
and...the Harris Teeter bag has got to be worth a bundle! :D:D

If you bought the same merch at retail with tax that would be $44.05 - all for a $40 entry fee??!! And....$3 player's fee, $1.94 ($175/90 players) for sanctioning and insurance, and money for payout (do I recall $10 per player?) was taken out. Add $1 per for misc overhead (printing, etc) and a total of $16 came out of the $40. Not bad....not bad at all.....

Does this make more sense to you now?


With that said, I personally prefer just handing the Am's $40 of Merch bux as a players' pak when they sign in. Players can get exactly what they want and it is an absolute snap for the TD (except for bringing in a ton of merch so that there will be a good selection - not a problem for us with Innova just a few miles down I-77)

Perfect sense, thank you for sharing. Didn't mean to stir up emotions, just wanted to understand more of the logic behind the purses and divisions. I appreciate everyones efforts in the promotion of our sport.

dont worry about it Carter, Life is about FREEDOM of expression, even though the message board sometimes does not view it this way.

All too true SchweBB...

for shiZZle my long named nizzle

Just look at the sig for the recipe for a fun life :cool:

same on mine sun

Play for the challenge, the love of the game, and the friendships. Everything else is a bonus. GI JOE out!

Good aTTiTTude

Don't forget some of the cool wildlife you can see on some courses too. Always a bonus.

Don't forget some of the cool wildlife you can see on some courses too. Always a bonus.

Wild TTrim is the besTT to see.

I like mine tame, too many diseased wild ones wandering around.

that is a TTrue and accuraTTe statement.

cha zing a what....

you and scotty need to come see the messiah i can cure all encounters with wild trim

My wife is enuff wild TTrim 4 me, thanks for the offer though.

Ditto for me too plus Mrs Scotty is a nurse and I like her treatment a lot better than what another male disc golfer can give me lol

how much is the cha ching a zing this year .will it fill? put me on the list if there is one.is this a pro and am event?finally who has room for the great lizard and a few of his side kicks .you know how Bayville is when we roll we ROLL. BAAAYYYVVIIILLLEEEEEEE.

RZ Baby!!!

You are welcome at my house anytime.

My place is 12.2 miles from the course.

Amenities include: 30,000 gallon pool, Xbox, Xbox 360, 10 foot video screen, high def tv, internet access, 12 queen sized beds, a party and numerous others.

Kirk

Or you could camp in my backyard!!!

Hoping to make this one.

Trophy-only for the Ams is the best way to go, that way there is none of this complaining (which will never end), just give everyone a decent players pack and be done. Ams play for trophies, Pros play for cash, pretty simple. I don't think we need 15 or so Am divisions at every tounrament either but thats a different topic all together.

thank you Capt.& Bumps let me find out who is going from here and i will let yall know what the deal is thanks for yalls hospitallity ill holla

how about the wife and kids also......

how much is the cha ching a zing this year .will it fill? put me on the list if there is one.



When is the Pre-Registration list going to show because a couple people told me they already signed up.

Play for the challenge, the love of the game, and the friendships. Everything else is a bonus.



Oh Yeah :D

Where do I send my money and how much? I haven't been able to find any info in this thread.

Whattup Kuper! Check out RADL's page, it has all the info you need, it's 70 bones......a little steep IMO.

-duBBs

it was super tour-esque last year

yeah, I am having trouble getting on the site, is it www.radl.biz (http://www.radl.biz)? thanks robbie

They have been having trouble with the server lately. It is running really slow. It should still work though.

how is the prereg lookin?? gonna try and send my check off in the next few days.....has it filled or is there still room??? its a raleigh tourney.....i figured someone would have mike norris on their staff already!!!

Does anyone know if the PDGA dues/sanctioning fees are going to be completed anytime soon for the Crosstown?

yes a pre-reg list would be great does anyone know if we will see one?? very non ralieghesque not to have an abbundence of info. thanks for anyones help on this

yes a pre-reg list would be great does anyone know if we will see one?? very non ralieghesque not to have an abbundence of info. thanks for anyones help on this



please note that this is NOT a RADL event, this is Dave Mansfield's event. I'm sure though that Mike will handle the scores like he always does.

yeah i did notice that. man zebulon in July WOW it may be a scorcher.

yeah i did notice that. man zebulon in July WOW it may be a scorcher.



It will WILL be hoTT, fo sho!

yeah i did notice that. man zebulon in July WOW it may be a scorcher.



We'll have some Patron to keep you cool.

I would expect no less. happy early birthday by the way

yeah i did notice that. man zebulon in July WOW it may be a scorcher.



It will WILL be hoTT, fo sho!



To me it does not matter how hot it is, it will not stop me from playing! :D:)

good for u

Poony, just because The Beast is gonna beat you there, no reason to cop an aTTitude.

Poony, just because The Beast is gonna beat you there, no reason to cop an aTTitude.



BANG BANG :D

Just wanted to know if any of you Carolina Guys know anything about the Dogwood Crosstown Classic still pending sanctioning. The TD report and funds have not been completed so the ratings from that tournament will not be reflected on the 27th when the new ones come out.

Can anyone give me any details as to what is going on with this? I tried to go on RADL's site and was unable to pull it up, so I figured I would try here.

Great tournament it just sucks the TD did not due his job. As a long time PDGA TD myself I cant figure out why 6 weeks later an A tier sanctioning agreement is still pending completion.

Hope to see some of yall down here in Atlanta for the Hotlanta A tier before the Worlds.

Rand 7584

try the site again it works fine i just think the new server or host they have is a little slow when the page loads
www.radl.biz (http://www.radl.biz)
also it looks from the tourny page that Kirk Yoo was the TD or at least the main contact and he has a phone number on the page as well. Kirk is one of the most knowledgable and upstanding people in this game so i am sure direct contact with him via phone or internet would clear up any questions you have. i personally have no information whatsoever about the tourny itself but figured i would try and help you out at least with a little local N.C. info. but like i said earlier the site is working just a little slow. especially if you are on dial up.

Something must be wrong because Kirk usually gets his stuff in on time.

so i guess if i sent my money off i should just show up.....i assume i am in.......dont know who im gonna see saturday morning......but to those who have sent money in..........ill see ya in a week!

I'll be there

If Berdman is going to be there I may have to play advanced.

I'll be there


likewise

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Meyers lost his wallet out in Zeb yesterday. Might of left it on the course somwhere. If you find it during a practice round, call someone. It will find its way back. And Zebulon is looking great. Grass is cut, fairways clear. There is water off 16's fair way & 15's tee. Hopefully it will dry up enough this week so discs will be retrievable. And I hope its is 105 degrees next weekend.

just for that it is gong to pour all weekend.

so does anyone know if this thing is full or not?

^^^ yeah, I was thinking about coming with some VA boys, can we get an update please? Thanks.

I just called Dave and he said that they had about 40 as of Yesterday. I am sending my payment today! Hope to see you there!

Big Wave and Calamari are in! See y'all in a few days.

I'm commin and i'm winnin.

Wear light mittens it is going to be warm

I'm commin and i'm winnin.


One of the two may be true. :D

Snoop after seeing your 37 down total a couple years ago at Zeb i have come to expect great showings at this tourney. So the question is who is gonna shine this year? Cant wait to see everyone and have a good time.

I'm commin and i'm winnin.

4 Real?

"The Beast" Weather Report!!! :D
Fri
Jun 30 Mostly Sunny
88�/67� 10%
88�F

Sat
Jul 1 Isolated T-Storms
86�/69� 30%
86�F


Sun
Jul 2 Mostly Sunny
92�/71� 20%
92�F

Wallet has been found
I've had it for over 8 years
second time that I have lost it and
twice it has come back to me...
Retirement is sweet

I'm commin and i'm winnin.

4 Real?

Lots of things are possible.

Whatever.....you aint gonna B at the Cha ching and Zing this year.

will big phil mickelson show up?

little beast you better check the weather again freind it is going to hit 100 degrees saturday.

Everyone is invited.

Bring food, beer and towels.

I will have 3 charcoal grills going.

If you need a place to stay please feel free to crash at my house.

And, don't mess with Big Monkey.

Kirk

"The Beast" Weather Report (again) :D
Friday: mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Light north winds around 5 mph.
Friday Night: partly cloudy in the evening, then clearing. Lows in the mid 60s. Light winds.
Saturday: mostly sunny. Highs around 90. Southwest winds around 5 mph.
Saturday Night Through Sunday Night: mostly clear. Lows in the upper 60s. Highs around 90.

**** **** **** I wish I was coming **** **** ****

Lady MacBeth,

It is not too late for you to come down.

Kirk

The hotter it gets means the better kirks pool is gonna feel after my two 47's

Kirk's Pool is going to be the bomb for sure

Little Beast you need to take a weather and climate class
Saturday
Intervals of clouds and sun

High Temperature: 94� F
RealFeel�: 100� F
Winds: SSW at 5 mph
Wind Gusts: 15 mph
Maximum UV: Very High (8)
Thunderstorm Probability: 2%

Details for Sunday 7/2 Sunday
Sunny to partly cloudy and very warm

High Temperature: 94� F
RealFeel�: 94� F
Winds: SW at 13 mph
Wind Gusts: 28 mph
Maximum UV: Very High (9)
Thunderstorm Probability: 29%

Bring on the heat I can't wait.

And, don't mess with Big Monkey.

Kirk



What about the tiger?

Stick,

The tiger is tame in comparison to Big.

He has been known to be very stealthy. Attacking without warning and with very little provocation.

You have been warned!!!

Kirk

Little Beast you need to take a weather and climate class
.



Are you going to be the teacher? :D

The hotter it gets means the better kirks pool is gonna feel after my two 47's



are the 47's on the In's and Out's of rds 1 or 2? Cause you know, 94 isn't a good score. :D

I shot a 92 in my 3rd round at this past weekend's tournament in Billings Montana :-D Still beats Tivvle by 2!

it is to early young petawon. one day i will teach about how hot N.C. gets in july you teach me how to putt. see you saturday chase.

The hotter it gets means the better kirks pool is gonna feel after my two 47's



are the 47's on the In's and Out's of rds 1 or 2? Cause you know, 94 isn't a good score. :D



obvisouly the front - 47 on the back would be horrid, but the front, thats acceptable.

Ive seen the beast, it''s more like yeast

Ive seen the beast, it''s more like yeast



and the canidates for best first post ever are.....

Will either Wiggins Jr or Sr be at this event or anyone form highpoint that would be willing to return some items that little Dave left in my truck from the King's Cup? Thanks!

I will take you up on that offer sometime in the future. See ya Saturday Dave and Bigrock needs to remember to bring his A game Saturday and capitalize the A. :D

snore

is it time to play yet

almost, heading out there after work 2day, should be there by 4:40 playing by 4:45.

I will be there earlier this afternoon than schweb if anyone is interested

Never mind

F'n car

If Little Dave does go, he has to play advanced

If Little Dave does go, he has to play advanced



that makes no sense - his rating is 909

open mouth...insert foot

I could have sworn his rating was 916 the day after the ratings were released

you must have looked at my rating and thats where you got the 916 from

I don't think they are coming. I am 911, can I play Intermediate.....a poor showing at Sanford and the lack of inclusion for the King's Cup has me sitting a little low. I haven't played any golf since the King's Cup either so I might do some more damage in the morning.....ratings don't mean a whole lot anyway IMHO.

I don't think they are coming. I am 911, can I play Intermediate



IF you had won 2109832048324 intermediate events, 973249832 advanced events and won 1302193 dollars as pro and you rating was 911, you could play intermediate.

you tore it up at the King's Kup. 953 average, roughly. i should run a few tourneys and maybe mine would go up a little.

I hate getting old

insomnia up at 4:30

Well???

I heard that someone got a 2 on hole 16.

maybe but Hoffman got a 2 on 9

Top 5 stories of the day

1. Hofmann shoots 44 45
2. Hofmann dueces 9
3. About 5 -10 missed a hole or two due to the 40 min lunch.
4. About 20 ppl couldnt warm up due to the 40 min lunch.
5. If you wanted to see a scorecard with a 7 b/c people missed holes and to see Hofmanns 2 on 9, I doubt you will get that chance SINCE THERE WERE NO SCORE CARDS

Robert stop making it your job to complain and you might be the one posting a 89. :o

Look just cuz I'm man enough to say what everyone else said today publically - Do you not have a problem that some peoples tournament was reuined b/c of the lunch break crap and that there weren't score cards. Stuff like this steps this great sport back a notch.

My gripes are simply b/c I know it can be done better. These issues like this are silly and should never happen at any tournament. Even homegrown tournaments have scorecards.

Carter,

If you have been in NC for the past few years, you would see that something goes wrong at this tourny every year.

The reasons why people play in the tourny is because of the course, not because of the TD.

What time is the tee-time tomorrow morning?
10:00??? really?
not 9?
good shooting everyone
enjoyed it

tee time is 10

Might want to get there no later than 9:40.

Personally, I applaud his (MTL's) decision to voice his complaints in a public forum such as this, and IMHO he was probably more tactful than necessary in his reply (I mean, no scorecards...just wow). While I've never agreed with him 100% myself by any means, I do think it a bit unfortunate that there will be some out there who will simply gloss over this incident solely b/c of who's bringing it up. This sounds like a fairly serious situation, indicative of poor planning and communication at the very least, and as Will said, there do always seem to be problems here each year.

I realize this is a very nice course that doesn't get played very often, so most folks would prefer not to "vote with your wallet", i.e. not play, so I hope everyone who is dissatisfied with their experience will complain to the proper people so that those who need to know there is a problem, do know. It's a great course, it deserves a great tournament.

On a more positive note: dang, Hofmann, that's some hot shooting. And good luck to all tomorrow, and hopefully things will run more smoothly.

Frank

Personally, I applaud his (MTL's) decision to voice his complaints in a public forum such as this, and IMHO he was probably more tactful than necessary in his reply (I mean, no scorecards...just wow). While I've never agreed with him 100% myself by any means, I do think it a bit unfortunate that there will be some out there who will simply gloss over this incident solely b/c of who's bringing it up. This sounds like a fairly serious situation, indicative of poor planning and communication at the very least, and as Will said, there do always seem to be problems here each year.

I realize this is a very nice course that doesn't get played very often, so most folks would prefer not to "vote with your wallet", i.e. not play, so I hope everyone who is dissatisfied with their experience will complain to the proper people so that those who need to know there is a problem, do know. It's a great course, it deserves a great tournament.

On a more positive note: dang, Hofmann, that's some hot shooting. And good luck to all tomorrow, and hopefully things will run more smoothly.

Frank


And good luck to all tomorrow, and hopefully things will run more smoothly.


YEAH right dude.

I think I remember score cards at the Yadkin Open, but I was having so much fun during my hour plus lunch break that I don't recall for sure. :D

Oh, and you better be laughing MTL! ;)

Thanks Frank - I really wasn't looking forward to all the crap I was going to take.

I think I remember score cards at the Yadkin Open, but I was having so much fun during my hour plus lunch break that I don't recall for sure. :D

Oh, and you better be laughing MTL! ;)



yeah I chuckled....

After the 3rd. Mike H. by 2 over Brian M., 4 over JJ.

Mike H. aces #14 and it's on video!! (sorry CHH and GTW)

Schweb,Cutt and Tater did not make it to the 3rd. Probably still asleep at the Yoo house. :D

Sorry to hear about your dad Wayne-O. Have a safe trip.

Man, a 2 on 9 and an ace on 14...and in 2 weeks he will be married :)

Sounds like MH is having a hell of a July so far :)

McRee takes the lead on the last hole for the win. Hofmann in 2nd with a big cushion on 3rd. Payout was 9 outta 27, 1st-$600, 2nd-$350, 3rd-$300 etc. Jeremy Bond wins adv. by 11 with a score that would've taken 8th in open. Good shootin everyone, even if it didn't feel like it ;)

I'm going to be positive.

The turn out was great - I love it when out of staters come down - doesn't happen often - thanks oto the VA boys for a good showing and for proving that dics golfers from VA do realize that there are roads that go south.

Dave always does a great job getting the course ready, like usual, the course was in fantastic shape. I could see a difference from a few weeks back.

That's it.

and thanks to all the people who came up to me and thanked me for publically voiceing this issue.

which issue

: ) :

from what i was hearing it sounded like a great time of golfn.Mc ree way to come back, Hoffman you are the mizzan great shootn. You are moven up the ladder to greatness

All the boys who stayed up and partied all night long ,well try to go to sleep a little earlier.

Wayne-O I love u brother and im so sorry. :( my heart ,soul and prayers go out to you .To all my VA boys, Mango and Jesse way to be there for our boy life and death is more important than a tourney.

Kirk thanks for puttn up my boys good lookin out :cool:

Schweb stay away from me next weekend im trying to make it the following day :D

Again sorry I wasnt there but there is always next year,well lets that the good lord lets me live till then.

All my N.C boys I missed yall to hope to see some of yall at the BASH

I have to bite the bullet and say that I agree with MTL. problems abounded the first day and the lunch break was too short. I literally turned in my card made a sandwich and ate, went to look at the cards and found out that I was t'ing in 15 minutes on hole 10 (the furthest from TC) 2 minutes was called 2 minutes after I arrived and I was one of just 2 people at my hole. the 3rd arrived right after 2 minutes. after start was announced and being on a hole right after a par four, I convinced my group to wait till we saw the "second" shots come down to 9's pin. in this time the 4th and 5th persons arrived at my hole. being nice, these people were not stroked as were others that arrived late on other holes. i know that the TD's like to accomodate the pros, and I sorry that they play so well that the end up with long lunches, but 40 minutes for lunch is not sufficient. one guy on my card left the park after turning in his card following the first round, went 5 minutes away sat in the drive thru awaiting his lunch, drove back and was late for the round.

Pros should just go eat and then continue playing/ staying warm until a decent, for all players involved, lunch is finished.

I'm not trying to harsh on anybody but this is our sport, not just the top divisions.

sorry

exactly! While my lunch break was over an hour, I am not the only person at the tournament. If you don't believe I was mad, ask Carter Allen, CuTT, Kris Hensler or Chris Benson about how mad I was on the first tee b/c so many players (not pros) were late. I was sad to hear that many people's tournament was basically ruined b/c of this.

There will always be complaining. The tee time is too early or I had to play with the women or the payout was terrible. Sorry! that's tournaments for ya. TD's are human and they have to deal with lots of little things to make the tournament happen. So, instead of complaining about the negatives, let's compliment them on the positives.

Did anyone even thank Dave for running the tournament?

And what should Dave had done about lunch?

I have no knowledge of the events, wasn't there, hadn't heard about it until reading just now. But, no scorecards? Not enough time for lunch for some players?

BS is the appropriate response to that.

while depending on a fastfood place for lunch may not be the best idea, any tournament should ensure plenty of time for lunch for all players. If play is so slow that that's impossible, something else is majorly wrong.

No scorecards would seem to be a major violation of itself. Did everyone get stroked 2 for not keeping score properly??

The ended up making scorecards out of paper.

There will always be complaining. The tee time is too early or I had to play with the women or the payout was terrible. Sorry! that's tournaments for ya. TD's are human and they have to deal with lots of little things to make the tournament happen. So, instead of complaining about the negatives, let's compliment them on the positives.

Did anyone even thank Dave for running the tournament?

And what should Dave had done about lunch?



While I totally agree there will always be complaining, this was a little rediculous. I've never seen that many people late for a second round and the score card thing is just comical.

As for thanking him, no one will believe this except the people who heard, I did. I told him I always appreciate someone who is willing to step up and run a tournament and that the course like usual looked awesome.

There will always be complaining.



Yep, and it's usually the same old people. I'm not going to get in the middle of this but I ate lunch with 2 ams who were some of the last cards in with the longest walks back. We ate at Subway and waited in the ridiculously long line, ate and came back and still had time to warm up on 3 holes before the 2 min warning. And forgetting scorecards? Who cares? Have you guys never forgot something? With so much a TD has to keep up with, scorecards are such a minor detail. Everyone had something to keep score on. Its not that big of a deal. Get over it. I get so tired of people being so negative. Its one of the reasons I dont get on the board as much these days and I def wont be checking this thread again. Hey, if its not scorecards or lunches, its payout or the players packs.

Thanks to Dave to running a fine tournament on a great course. Thanks for having plenty of water all around the course for everyone and refilling the jugs on 13 DURING your round. Thanks for the free shot at winning a basket. Congrats to all the winners. I will definately be back next year.

I'd like to thank Dave for showing up

: ) :

Man, a 2 on 9 and an ace on 14...and in 2 weeks he will be married :)

Sounds like MH is having a hell of a July so far :)



2 eagles by Mike Hofmann!! How awesome! Were they on the same day?

thanks snoop

I do not complain often and I thanked dave personally ( and Becky) for runing the event.

I did not say anything about the score cards, i forget #$*&amp;$! all the time.

the cause of the problem in my opinion was the 19 cards on 18 holes or whatever I heard and the backups in the am field

I know its tourney play, i am used to it. I can shoot in the 40's in causal rounds out at zeb but not in tourney play and I know that it is because of tourney icing.

who were the ams that you ate with eog because they were not on my card way down by the pipe.

40 or 45 minutes is not enough time for lunch and everyone does not always have the luxury not to rely on Fast food.

1 hour from last card turned in and if we have to play past 6 PM then start earlier or suck it up.

everyone attack me now

1..2..3.. GO!

There will always be complaining.



Yep, and it's usually the same old people.



Yup, and it's usually me. Don't hide behind your desire to be loved by everyone and not come out and say it's me. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of me, so take shots at me, thats fine. If thats what I have to do to help a poorly run tournament, then so be it. I'm preparred to do that.

And another thing - here's a message to everyone not named Robert Max Frank or Berdman

Help the sport by voicing your concern for a bad tournament. It's the only way a bad tournament will be stopped.

If I'm hated I don't care. This sport matters to me way to much to keep quiet when people are telling me they won't be back and that their tournament was ruined due to something the TD could have done very easily correct.

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2 eagles by Mike Hofmann!! How awesome! Were they on the same day?

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Nope, the 2 on 9 was the 1st day and the ace was on Sunday. Unfortunately they weren't enough to take down Cracken. Had a great time though, and sorry to anyone, "Captain Panic" for yelling both times. Can't help it. I only get Eagles every once in a while. :DCan't wait to see the replay on video though. I'll be back next yr to try again.

On a different note, thank you Dave for running the tourney again this yr. As said earlier, it sucks you people do so much complaining. Yes things go wrong when running a tourney and I know the TD's hear about them. Running your mouth on this thread really doesn't do much good. We want to hear about the good things not the bad. **** pessimists.
I agree w/ the complaints but voicing them for all to see does not yield positive results.

Anytime max thanks for thinking about me. even if we did not get to shoot a round together. :D

does anyone know if Dave will have the scores up anytime soon??

does anyone know if Dave will have the scores up anytime soon??



if soon is September than yes

wow i was hoping for this week. at the latest.isn't dave a computer guy? come on.

I know I should probubly be quite but.Everyone has a right to have negative or positive things to say .Remember if nothing is said at all whether it wrong or right good or bad then we wouldnt know how to fix it.I guess it goes on how u say it that makes a difference. I hope I made a little sense
And I hope to see yall at the BASH

I know I should probubly be quite but.Everyone has a right to have negative or positive things to say .Remember if nothing is said at all whether it wrong or right good or bad then we wouldnt know how to fix it.I guess it goes on how u say it that makes a difference. I hope I made a little sense
And I hope to see yall at the BASH



thanks Rob - I'm really looking forward to the bash and adding 2 courses to my list - I love you bayville guys!

LCJohnson sniTTches!!!

So there weren't score cards. That's not a problem. Paper and pencil and 1 minute of 19 peoples time to make a homegrown card isn't that big of a deal.
The lunch situation was a big deal. The 1-hour after the last group is finished is a fair rule and should be enforced at all tournaments. A long luch break is a good thing for the pros that finish early. Give your food time to digest...Give your spinach time to turn into energy. Who is trying to rush to get the day ended faster? Rush home from the fun environment of the disc golf course to...? That's right, there isn't a good finish to that sentence, unless you are Kirk...cuz I even rushed to his house to...destroy my liver in a night. Thanks for providing me with that opportunity Kirk. Your house is always bangin. I'm sure Jennifer helped prepare for the affair, so mad thanks to the HOY-2 years runnin'.
Oh yeah...I distinctly heard one of the Bayville boys say that as far as fun goes, this was in his top 2 tournaments that he had ever been to.

Other than the lunches, this tournament was great...Thanks Dave...I know you gots a lot of stuff going on when running this and you did well. Keep this thing rollin' in the future. Whether I am here or not, I'll be comin' home to see Zebulon when I come this way.

See all of you at Sneaky, if not before (maybe BVC)...The beach is nice this time of year.

Amen BS. way to show up!! and cash sun that thing looked crisp. oh yeah and shave that A#$ **** that thing was hairy.

Days like today make me want to quit disc golf. Please PM if you would like an explination.

I appreciate BumpS steppin up and discussing the lunch issue! much respect as always

uniTTy

Don't quit DG Tizzle, just quit being a control freak. I thought you started over and were loving it?? Lose the need to be right, in control, and successful. Trust me, you are holding yourself back.

I refuse to put up with what I put up with today and I will do what is nesecarry to not have to put up with it. Right now, quitting the sport seems like the best option.

What was so bad about today?

Yesterday has nothing to do with it.

I would first like to say happy birthday to my boy Cutt, sorry I could not make it. I think we could all take a lesson from him on how to stay young.

Second, I know that I was not there, but I can't believe this is happening, I think I agree with MTL. Let me say that again, I agree with MTL. I think that if our young friend had a little more tact then people would respect him and his sometime valid opinon. When something is going wrong in any situation and nothing is done about then how will it ever be fixed? Why is standing up like Berdman and saying, "Excuse me I think I just got screwed here" labled as complaning? I think that it is an easy why to just shut people up and keep them from rocking the boat. Sometime the boat needs to be rocked a little. I am not saying capsize the boat. If a TV reporter comes up and asks him how the weekend was he should not go off on some rant like certain Clowns, but in this forum I think it is safe to discuss opinins without being labeled. Now, Berdman is not a complainer, so if he says something is wrong them maybe we should listen instead of labeling his coments and sticking him in a box and hoping he shuts up. Happy 4th.

Wow

I just have to say thanks

BS and Bond

Thanks for all the support via in person, phone, AOL IM and PM I have recieved in the past 24 hours. I truly have people that think more of me than I thought they did in this sport. I have found an inner peace in the matter. Still, some time off might be good. Who knows.

I understand that Dave said an hour after last card and he should have complied with that. The scorecard mishap was an accident and should be overlooked. There are lots of things that TD's do that players forget about or don't think of. (ex. water coolers, get sponsors, add ctp's and string of OB's) If you're a player and something doesn't sit well with you and you voice it over the internet, that's complaining! Help out your local TD!

MTL- do you seriously think that Zebulon is a poorly run event?

Well there are always more positives than negatives with any event. The first thing you have to look at is TD's are volunteers. I know I thanked Dave as I try to do with every TD for the work on the course and running the event.

Forgetting scorecards, hey, you know what, stuff happens. It was the fact that Kirk had to print some up for Sunday. If Kirk had not done this there would not have been any on Sunday either. That I have a problem with.

The lunch issue to me is a very major deal. I witnessed the last card coming in at 1:50 - I know for a fact they were not informed of the shortened lunch. The fact that I had to wait on my first hole for players to run across the fairway before I could throw is not good.

In regards to help your local TD, I feel that I am one of many guys who always seems to add scorecards or do the leaderboard and one of the few guys who will show up to am only tournaments and help out. When I asked Dave a question and offered my assistance he replied with "get the f*** out of here" Any TD that talks to any player like that for any reason is not good for the game, especially when that player is offering help.

Overall, this was one of the poorest run events I have ever participated in. While the water coolers, CTPs, added money, clearly marked ob, etc are always awesome to see at tournaments, a tournament that has no water, no CTPs and no added money but gives every player an hour lunch and time to come back is better than the first.

Just my 2 cents.

The ended up making scorecards out of paper.

Most scorecards are made out of paper.... ;) :D:) :p

I guess. :confused:

Het MTL, you're a better person than that. Sorry that dave responded to you in that way, he was probably not responding to you directly, but another issue. We all know how much help you are, and can be at tournaments. I for one deeply appreciate all you do, and I would like to mention the dude (I'm not good with names but he always wears red)he too enters scores. I for one like to mention to all our pro's that you are our mentors, we am's watch, observe and learn from you. You as a pro, should observe your fellow pro's and see if they are bringing the true stature of being a pro. I notice some pro.s are just to good to spend a minute with an am, and some are good role models. Focus there guy. And keep it in the back, Dave had something else on his mind, and not meaning to voice towards you. Step up an be a mentor, you're a good person.

thanks rock - that means a lot

i had alot of fun this week-end!!!!!! a year ago i woulda been really ticked about some things that happened. this year not so much.....nothing that happened directly affected me....guess i was lucky. to people that did feel slighted....sorry for you guys i know it made your week-end difficult. to mansy thanks for the tourny water and all your hard work. happy birf day cutt you a TRUE PLAYA'. TThe GuTT you know you a playa' son. Schwebalicious you and ya girl..........TTrue Playas' My man K Yoo a masta' playa'
Tizzle and Berd voice ya opinions ya paid yo money like ery'one else. BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!! and to all of you if want your rating to sky rocket.....care a little less have a lot more fun....it is working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I totally agree with Big Rock on that subject. I mean, you help me out, give me advice when I ask you something and answer my questions whenever I ask them to you (no matter how stupid they are), and you are a great person all around. You help out a lot in tournaments, plus you are a TD and make things better when things need to get better. I am too sorry about what Dave said to you and don't let that get you down because like Big Rock said, you are a whole lot better person than that. Plus you are the one who usually makes things better and "more entertaining." :D

and to all of you if u want your rating to sky rocket.....care a little less have a lot more fun....it is working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Amen, well spoken Messiah!
I must say that my 1st round this weekend was definitely the funniest in quite some time. Thanks fellows.

Oh yeah...we definitely had fun watchin' you...and cuTTin' up.

nothing that happened directly affected me....guess i was lucky



I understand completely. I was lucky as well. Got back in plenty of time and had plenty of time to prepare myself for the 2nd round. But just b/c I was not affected by this doesn't mean that I wasn't upset by this. I'm not saying that you weren't however....

and to all of you if u want your rating to sky rocket.....care a little less have a lot more fun....it is working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Amen, well spoken Messiah!
I must say that my 1st round this weekend was definitely the funniest in quite some time. Thanks fellows.



Funniest ? Most fun.

the funniest rounds are often the most fun, but not always.

My rounds are always fun, just sometimes the are great and other times they $uck

Scores anyone?? maybe possibly?? anybody, somebody please.

Won't be posted until around Sept.

and to all of you if u want your rating to sky rocket.....care a little less have a lot more fun....it is working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Amen, well spoken Messiah!
I must say that my 1st round this weekend was definitely the funniest in quite some time. Thanks fellows.



Funniest ? Most fun.


Yeah, most fun, funnest, funniest, funest,...whatever it was fun.

Happy Birfday Biggie Wave, wanna get....... :D

Hippy Birthday Biggie Wave and Mr. Calimari Jones. They were born on the same....blessed....day. Hope you can make it to the meeting tonite (my place), I'll understand if your absent, no biggie...HA.

Thanks guys. Monty i will try and be there but not sure right now. Polish of course i do. now i am off to the DMV to renew my license. lets hope my old a#$ passes the eye test.

Hippy Birthday Biggie Wave and Mr. Calimari Jones. They were born on the same....blessed....day. Hope you can make it to the meeting tonite (my place), I'll understand if your absent, no biggie...HA.



Werd! Thanks Lil E. Don't know about the meeting, but I have a feeling there will be some $2.50 pints downed at the Mushroom tonight!

Actually, the meeting isn't until tomorrow (Wed) nite. So it should only interfere with your hangover, not the party. Hope to see ya at Club MonTTy, I cleaned off the foosball table for us.

oh snap it is on for sure. see you tomorrow night.